Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 384: Manchins of Madness

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UltimaterializerX posted...

Because liberals only care about party affiliation and ascribe to the "it's okay when we do it" nonsense in literally all things. None of them actually care about a single thing they pretend to stand for; it's perfectly fine so long as a democrat does it, and there are endless proofs of this. These people have no principles whatever.

"If Trump cured cancer they would complain anyway" is one of the most accurate memes ever. Just go back in the social medias of any of these blue checkmark goofs and look up their original stances on covid vaccines. Or for an even funnier example, go check out the garbage they were saying about Caitlyn Jenner when she said transgender females shouldn't be in sports.

@UltimaterializerX I took screen shots of this excellently sourced reddit post I read earlier to note perhaps liberals and not liberals aren't really who you think they are. Every accusation is a confession tbh

https://imgur.com/a/D4fAw8b

UltimaterializerX posted...

Reddit is specifically designed to be hivemind garbage and thus I dont care what a single person on that site has to say about anything. Theyre too worried about conforming with an echo chamber crowd for upvotes and karma. Deleting that shit was the best decision I made in quite awhile.

Lol ulti you are the whole circus.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

ulti totally stopped trolling guys

man, you made me unblock ulti for a minute and it was worth it

he just got dunked on by chris

Liberals are more into identity politics than conservatives. They care more about things that people cannot change, that they are born into. Conservatives put all value into party affiliation, which is a choice, to such an extent that they can dislike a person on all characteristics and all policies other than party affiliation but still fall in line behind them when push comes to shove.

UltimaterializerX posted...

You posted screenshots of links instead of actually posting the actual source material. Ill read any actual links you give me, but I refuse to click on Reddit or Twitter out of general principle.

In fairness it's because my reddit app doesn't copy well. The text in the post is largely from the sources though. If I hand it out it won't be too bad tbh.

HeroicCrono posted...

Liberals are more into identity politics than conservatives. They care more about things that people cannot change, that they are born into. Conservatives put all value into party affiliation, which is a choice, to such an extent that they can dislike a person on all characteristics and all policies other than party affiliation but still fall in line behind them when push comes to shove.

Don't care too much about morals either.

I see 310 and don't even want to know what the rest of this topic is.

Actually I'm an exceedingly curious person and absolutely do but also recognize it will only bring pain.

red13n posted...

I see 310 and don't even want to know what the rest of this topic is.

Actually I'm an exceedingly curious person and absolutely do but also recognize it will only bring pain.

You might like it half of it is me quoting ulti.

HeroicCrono posted...

Liberals are more into identity politics than conservatives. They care more about things that people cannot change, that they are born into.

lol wut?

pretty sure conservatives had more of an issue with gay marriage becoming legal than liberals.

also, have you ever spent more than 5 seconds on youtube? there's literally entire channels by conservatives completely devoted to identity politics (the kind of horrible channels LMS regularly watches).

sigh

Mr Lasastryke posted...

lol wut?

pretty sure conservatives had more of an issue with gay marriage becoming legal than liberals.

also, have you ever spent more than 5 seconds on youtube? there's literally entire channels by conservatives completely devoted to identity politics (the kind of horrible channels LMS regularly watches).

Conservatives mostly shifted very quickly on that one. Remember Democrats opposed it too for centuries. After they flipped Republicans flipped within about 5 years (at least to a position of not talking about it).

And yeah there used to be more identity politics on the conservative side with all the morality stuff in the 80s-00s but since 2015 that's been decisively rejected. Republicans no longer care about morals. I watch a fair amount of YouTube but haven't seen these conservative channels.

"Conservatives don't care about identity politics."

"WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION"

HeroicCrono posted...

Republicans no longer care about morals.

abortion, trans rights, CRT

UltimaterializerX posted...

Because liberals only care about party affiliation and ascribe to the "it's okay when we do it" nonsense in literally all things. None of them actually care about a single thing they pretend to stand for; it's perfectly fine so long as a democrat does it, and there are endless proofs of this. These people have no principles whatever.

lol

Tom Bombadil posted...

abortion, trans rights, CRT

None of these things are about morals. None of them are about stopping people from doing things that are harmless to anyone else just because they are intrinsically bad. These things are focused on protecting (perceived) victims.

Dancedreamer posted...

"Conservatives don't care about identity politics."

"WE ARE A CHRISTIAN NATION"

A Christian nation wouldn't elect Donald Trump as its leader.

HeroicCrono posted...

I watch a fair amount of YouTube but haven't seen these conservative channels.

the comicsgate youtube channels (thequartering, ethan van sciver, geeks + gamers) talk about nothing but "woke" stuff, gender, sexuality, trans people, etc. and more mainstream conservative channels (steven crowder, ben shapiro and his friends) constantly talk about this too. unless i'm totally misunderstanding what identity politics is, it seems weird to say that conservatives don't care about identity politics.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

the comicsgate youtube channels (thequartering, ethan van sciver, geeks + gamers) talk about nothing but "woke" stuff, gender, sexuality, trans people, etc. and more mainstream conservative channels (steven crowder, ben shapiro and his friends) constantly talk about this too. unless i'm totally misunderstanding what identity politics is, it seems weird to say that conservatives don't care about identity politics.

I haven't seen any of the first set. Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro show up in my recommended videos often but I rarely click on them. My sense is they are usually criticizing identity politics rather than promoting it though - but could be wrong since I've watched almost none of their videos.

I'm happy to concede that I may not be up to date with many of the currents in conservatism.

red sox 777 posted...

My sense is they are usually criticizing identity politics rather than promoting it though

well, yes, obviously. but that doesn't mean they don't care about identity politics. on the contrary. i'd say conservative youtubers who literally spend every single day raging about identity politics in videos care a lot more about it than leftist youtubers who occasionally promote it (like hasan piker).

opposing certain identities is itself identity politics

Yeah, I'd argue conservatives care a lot more about identity politics than liberals and leftists do. There's always some threat to Christianity, or to whiteness, or to heterosexuality, or to men, that they've ginned up to terrify their voters, who seem to care most about how much straight, white, Christian men are losing their power and authority in this country.

I WISH the Democrats cared about identity politics the way conservatives think they do. It'd make it so protecting oppressed minorities would drive people to the polls. Instead, it's largely economic issues that half the party is always going to be annoyed by, either for being too expensive (the moderates) or not good enough (the liberals).

We were completely shut down under Trump and was pilloried for his handling of Covid.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/04/1070218466/1-million-us-covid-cases-omicron-surge

1 million new cases.

Wow

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

We were completely shut down under Trump and was pilloried for his handling of Covid.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/04/1070218466/1-million-us-covid-cases-omicron-surge

1 million new cases.

Wow

I'm not sure what your point is here by making this comparison but the difference is the vaccine. And it's a huge difference. Trump wanted to open up the economy with zero protection. With the vaccine's existence, the Biden admin has been able to sell a "vaccine only" strategy to the public and can push to open without the political consequences.

There's a coherent ideology being pushed here. I don't agree with it but it's not just media bias or liberal hypocrisy or something.

If Trump didn't just cater to what was a fringe radical portion of his base the world would have likely been able to deal with COVID considering how much spread basically came from the US.

Biden never had that opportunity and inherited a situation where something 40% or so of American's would never comply and that would be enough to prevent any action from having impact.

It isn't a comparable situation despite which people have been happy to flaunt.

i mean it's a million new cases of an even more contagious strain of which vaccines and delta antibodies don't protect against the infection of very well.

like i can't give him particular shit for this and a lot of the shutdown is a case of a lot of industries having major disruptions over 1-2 months before resuming back to normal. biden can't really be blamed for this and it's become very clear that this strain is something people suffer from, not die from.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I'm not sure what your point is here by making this comparison but the difference is the vaccine. And it's a huge difference. Trump wanted to open up the economy with zero protection. With the vaccine's existence, the Biden admin has been able to sell a "vaccine only" strategy to the public and can push to open without the political consequences.

There's a coherent ideology being pushed here. I don't agree with it but it's not just media bias or liberal hypocrisy or something.

I dont think vaccine only is free of political consequences when the numbers are still bad, kinda weakens their position if Trump, who is pro-vaccine by the way, runs again.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

There's a coherent ideology being pushed here. I don't agree with it but it's not just media bias or liberal hypocrisy or something.

The Chinese bots were doing a big push to leftist accounts with the number of American's dead to COVID under Biden a few weeks ago that ignore the "responsible" part of his tweet. They took the bait swimmingly. Most of them actually jumped the gun because the misinformation campaign began by claiming COVID Deaths under BIden outnumbered those under Trump but simply compared 2020 deaths to 2021 deaths(And a huge chunk of COVID deaths occurred in the first 20 days of 2021).

Most of the people still dying are dying because Trump essentially told them to.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I dont think vaccine only is free of political consequences when the numbers are still bad, kinda weakens their position if Trump, who is pro-vaccine by the way, runs again.

So pro vaccine he got vaccinated in secret and hid this for months(?).

UltimaterializerX posted...

Because liberals only care about party affiliation and ascribe to the "it's okay when we do it" nonsense in literally all things. None of them actually care about a single thing they pretend to stand for; it's perfectly fine so long as a democrat does it, and there are endless proofs of this. These people have no principles whatever.

try explaining Cuomo then lol

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I dont think vaccine only is free of political consequences when the numbers are still bad, kinda weakens their position if Trump, who is pro-vaccine by the way, runs again.

I don't think they care about the numbers. The push for a long time has been that you get vaccinated and if you get COVID it's either extremely rare or your own fault for being unvaccinated. Omicron has thrown a wrench in that but there's an overall resignation.

The political benefit to this is that they don't have to compete with Trump on it because he'd do the same thing. If Democrats don't do lockdowns or restrictions, what can Trump even argue he'd do differently? (I mean it doesn't matter if it makes sense he's going to say some ridiculous boast people will believe anyways but whatever)

red13n posted...

So pro vaccine he got vaccinated in secret and hid this for months(?).

Pro-vax in the sheets, anti-vax on the streets

red13n posted...

The Chinese bots were doing a big push

The bots are Chinese now? lol

edit: also didnt we talk in this topic about Trump getting booed at a rally saying everyone should get vaxxed and boosted?

Kenri posted...

Pro-vax in the sheets, anti-vax on the streets

I'll take "Alt-Right Tinder Profiles for 800, Alex"

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The bots are Chinese now? lol

They've been?

Russia still has some as well but there were a lot of weird ones pushing far left stuff and then seeping in this weird "China didn't commit genocide!" rhetoric.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

edit: also didnt we talk in this topic about Trump getting booed at a rally saying everyone should get vaxxed and boosted?

He couldn't control the monster he created, shocked.

I love the idea that every time we have a subjective disagreement on how well Biden is handling something, the Joes doing bad camp is either MAGA or tricked by bots.

Very normal worldview

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I love the idea that every time we have a subjective disagreement on how well Biden is handling something, the Joes doing bad camp is either MAGA or tricked by bots.

Very normal worldview

You make a bad faith post and get a similar response every time.

What a shock.

trump recently became pro-vaccine, yeah. ben garrison is really mad at him for this and stopped drawing him as a greek god.

"Biden is just Trump lol" posts are going to get treated like this.

There are plenty of ways to hate on Biden. If you open up the Trump comparison expect the criticism.

Im literally saying Trump arguably lost the election because of Covid, Biden could lose the election because of Covid.

Theres zero bad faith, thats a legitimate position.

Trump's been pro-vaccine since before the vaccines were created. He made a big deal about providing massive funding for vaccine development in 2020 and preordering hundreds of millions of doses when the vaccines hadn't even been tested yet so that rollout could be faster if the tests showed the vaccines worked and were safe.

But Trump does not command the obedience of Republicans who are not politicians. He enforces compliance on GOP politicians with the threat of ostracism, but he cannot do that with the voters. They are his employer (at least for now).

red sox 777 posted...

Trump's been pro-vaccine since before the vaccines were created. He made a big deal about providing massive funding for vaccine development in 2020 and preordering hundreds of millions of doses when the vaccines hadn't even been tested yet so that rollout could be faster if the tests showed the vaccines worked and were safe.

he also said "covid affects virtually no one." interesting that he cares so much about a vaccine that protects you against a virus that doesn't affect you!

red13n posted...

Most of the people still dying are dying because Trump essentially told them to.

I mean this is half true. Trump irrevocably made the pandemic worse by enabling the antivax and antilockdown crowd but pretending like it's still his fault and Biden couldn't have prevented more deaths with more robust policy seems blatantly false. BBB completely failed and that's not even getting into effective but unpopular policies yet.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

he also said "covid affects virtually no one." interesting that he cares so much about a vaccine that protects you against a virus that doesn't affect you!

In private he was also throwing around the idea of quarantining returning Americans at Guantanamo Bay, so I think he was really afraid of the virus. He felt he had to put on a show of confidence for the public benefit (and his own reelection). And then he nearly died of the virus. So he has even more reason to think it's a big deal.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

I mean this is half true. Trump irrevocably made the pandemic worse by enabling the antivax and antilockdown crowd but pretending like it's still his fault and Biden couldn't have prevented more deaths with more robust policy seems blatantly false. BBB completely failed and that's not even getting into effective but unpopular policies yet.

Nah still fully true. I think you are forgetting that I started with "most of the people" not "all of the people".

Didn't say Biden is blameless but the unvaccinated are making up a huge portion of deaths. And most of those are unvaccinated because Trump never attempted to reel in the MAGA crowd and lost control of the monster.

red sox 777 posted...

And then he nearly died of the virus. So he has even more reason to think it's a big deal.

If Trump had died it probably would have saved at least a hundred thousand lives.