Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 384: Manchins of Madness

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Tom Bombadil 01/08/22 1:07:19 AM #454:	I'm still taking about your total denial angle. --- pretend there is a trans flag emoji here <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:961567721] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>I'm still taking about your total denial angle. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 01/08/22 1:09:29 AM #455:	I've said like multiple times I'm not even necessarily for total denial and it's probably not a good idea. The post you replied to even specifically said that and suggested the "reserve beds" tactic. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:961567755] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>I've said like multiple times I'm not even necessarily for total denial and it's probably not a good idea. The post you replied to even specifically said that and suggested the "reserve beds" tactic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RaidenGarai 01/08/22 1:17:15 AM #456:	Some employers are starting to give the unvaccinated surcharges on their insurance premiums. I had a friend who works for a nationwide retailer telling me about how people were complaining that his company is charging them an extra $50 per check for being unvaccinated. --- https://www.twitch.tv/zerothe14th <cite>RaidenGarai posted [p:961567850] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Some employers are starting to give the unvaccinated surcharges on their insurance premiums. I had a friend who works for a nationwide retailer telling me about how people were complaining that his company is charging them an extra $50 per check for being unvaccinated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 01/08/22 7:03:01 AM #457:	NFUN posted... god i just realized how big-brained slippery slope arguments are "<thing is bad> because WHERE WILL IT END!?" >Just because <thing> exists doesn't make <thing but more extreme> more likely. Besides, we already have <thing but less extreme> and <thing but more extreme> hasn't happened "But you're using <thing but less extreme> to justify <thing> which is exactly what I'm saying!!" no escape from the inanity. idiocy by induction looks like SOMEONE didn't read smartmuffin's blog post about the slippery slope being a perfectly valid argument https://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/2013/07/05/the-slippery-slope-is-a-perfectly-valid-argument/ --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:961571052] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>NFUN posted... </cite> <quote>god i just realized how big-brained slippery slope arguments are "<thing is bad> because WHERE WILL IT END!?" >Just because <thing> exists doesn't make <thing but more extreme> more likely. Besides, we already have <thing but less extreme> and <thing but more extreme> hasn't happened "But you're using <thing but less extreme> to justify <thing> which is exactly what I'm saying!!" no escape from the inanity. idiocy by induction</quote> looks like SOMEONE didn't read smartmuffin's blog post about the slippery slope being a perfectly valid argument https://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/2013/07/05/the-slippery-slope-is-a-perfectly-valid-argument/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 01/08/22 8:23:48 AM #458:	DoomTheGyarados posted... reminder: insurance is a scam <cite>Reg posted [p:961571809] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>reminder: insurance is a scam</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 01/08/22 9:01:44 AM #459:	Maybe I'm biased because i basically went to school for insurance, but I strongly believe that while most insurance in its current American form is a scam operated by vultures, overall it is the basis for modern society and if it were better regulated in some manner it would be a huge benefit to everyone. Insurance is pretty much just spreading potential risk across the full population of people who signed up for it. And that can be really helpful to folks like me who could definitely not afford the full upfront cost of some expensive car repair. Or, if I were to die today, my life insurance policy would cover the costs of my funeral, burial, and debts. I don't have enough saved up for all of that, so the risk is managed through insurance. The biggest issue is that some insurance, such as health insurance, acts as a filter to something everyone should have access to. "People signed up for the risk" is a little bit different when it's their fucking bodies on the line. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:961572256] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Maybe I'm biased because i basically went to school for insurance, but I strongly believe that while most insurance in its current American form is a scam operated by vultures, overall it is the basis for modern society and if it were better regulated in some manner it would be a huge benefit to everyone. Insurance is pretty much just spreading potential risk across the full population of people who signed up for it. And that can be really helpful to folks like me who could definitely not afford the full upfront cost of some expensive car repair. Or, if I were to die today, my life insurance policy would cover the costs of my funeral, burial, and debts. I don't have enough saved up for all of that, so the risk is managed through insurance. The biggest issue is that some insurance, such as health insurance, acts as a filter to something everyone should have access to. "People signed up for the risk" is a little bit different when it's their fucking bodies on the line. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 01/08/22 9:15:54 AM #460:	RaidenGarai posted... Some employers are starting to give the unvaccinated surcharges on their insurance premiums. I had a friend who works for a nationwide retailer telling me about how people were complaining that his company is charging them an extra $50 per check for being unvaccinated. My sister works for the government and they charge her for vaccine tests whenever someone in the office catches COVID. Which is distressingly often. She's also vaccinated. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:961572434] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>RaidenGarai posted... </cite> <quote>Some employers are starting to give the unvaccinated surcharges on their insurance premiums. I had a friend who works for a nationwide retailer telling me about how people were complaining that his company is charging them an extra $50 per check for being unvaccinated.</quote>My sister works for the government and they charge her for vaccine tests whenever someone in the office catches COVID. Which is distressingly often. She's also vaccinated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 01/08/22 9:17:28 AM #461:	Insurance is a scam, but after working in healthcare Im convinced healthcare prices are a bigger issue. we would set our billing cost obscenely high because we knew insurances would just lower the price they paid to their maximum paid amount and we didnt want to leave money on the table. Guess what happens when there is no insurance! Like nobody thinks car insurance is that bad, mostly because the cost of fixing cars is extremely transparent and actually has competition --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:961572454] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Insurance is a scam, but after working in healthcare Im convinced healthcare prices are a bigger issue. we would set our billing cost obscenely high because we knew insurances would just lower the price they paid to their maximum paid amount and we didnt want to leave money on the table. Guess what happens when there is no insurance! Like nobody thinks car insurance is that bad, mostly because the cost of fixing cars is extremely transparent and actually has competition </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 01/08/22 10:34:53 AM #462:	StealThisSheen posted... The post you replied to even specifically said that and suggested the "reserve beds" tactic. in which case you're either back to rooting for more covid deaths, or not trusting hospitals to decide for themselves how to triage and prioritize Like I'm less opposed to that idea but I still don't see what it helps. It's not going to deter anti-vaxxers because they think they're safe. It's not going to save more lives because you're specifically instructing them to prioritize value judgments over efficiency. I'm not even sure it net helps the general public, because it's not like an anti-vaxxer is just gonna poof out of existence if they're turned away- they're gonna scream in the waiting room (with the other patients) and fight the nurse and go home and infect their family and whoever survives will at least picket. And if you are specifically talking about vax vs. unvaxxed care, I don't think it will help to ask the hospital staff to verify all the "whoops I lost my card" or "whoops I had a medical exemption" claims that you'd get. I also realize slippery slopes are silly but I'm a bit sensitive to this particular one as somebody who would be one of the first demographics somebody would want a religious exemption from having to treat, with a likely big wave coming for the party that would support that. As I understand the medical field, it's kinda built on "you gotta treat this guy whether they are a good guy or not," and I think that's a good principle to keep around. Again, I am all for "doing something" but I think the best plan is for that "something" to be prevention rather than messing with cure. And again, neither of those things are ever going to be done anyway, so we're kinda just yelling into the void anyway. --- pretend there is a trans flag emoji here <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:961573619] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite> <quote>The post you replied to even specifically said that and suggested the "reserve beds" tactic.</quote> in which case you're either back to rooting for more covid deaths, or not trusting hospitals to decide for themselves how to triage and prioritize Like I'm less opposed to that idea but I still don't see what it helps. It's not going to deter anti-vaxxers because they think they're safe. It's not going to save more lives because you're specifically instructing them to prioritize value judgments over efficiency. I'm not even sure it net helps the general public, because it's not like an anti-vaxxer is just gonna poof out of existence if they're turned away- they're gonna scream in the waiting room (with the other patients) and fight the nurse and go home and infect their family and whoever survives will at least picket. And if you are specifically talking about vax vs. unvaxxed care, I don't think it will help to ask the hospital staff to verify all the "whoops I lost my card" or "whoops I had a medical exemption" claims that you'd get. I also realize slippery slopes are silly but I'm a bit sensitive to this particular one as somebody who would be one of the first demographics somebody would want a religious exemption from having to treat, with a likely big wave coming for the party that would support that. As I understand the medical field, it's kinda built on "you gotta treat this guy whether they are a good guy or not," and I think that's a good principle to keep around. Again, I am all for "doing something" but I think the best plan is for that "something" to be prevention rather than messing with cure. And again, neither of those things are ever going to be done anyway, so we're kinda just yelling into the void anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NFUN 01/08/22 10:44:15 AM #463:	Mr Lasastryke posted... looks like SOMEONE didn't read smartmuffin's blog post about the slippery slope being a perfectly valid argument correct! --- Kneel... or you will be knelt <cite>NFUN posted [p:961573793] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>looks like SOMEONE didn't read smartmuffin's blog post about the slippery slope being a perfectly valid argument</quote>correct! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 01/08/22 10:44:56 AM #464:	substitute SOMEONE in that post with everyone on earth --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:961573817] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>substitute SOMEONE in that post with everyone on earth </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RaidenGarai 01/08/22 12:14:59 PM #465:	KamikazePotato posted... My sister works for the government and they charge her for vaccine tests whenever someone in the office catches COVID. Which is distressingly often. She's also vaccinated. Thats why the first word in my post was some, not all. Because its the choice of the employer to charge people extra on their premiums. --- https://www.twitch.tv/zerothe14th <cite>RaidenGarai posted [p:961575696] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>KamikazePotato posted... </cite> <quote>My sister works for the government and they charge her for vaccine tests whenever someone in the office catches COVID. Which is distressingly often. She's also vaccinated.</quote>Thats why the first word in my post was some, not all. Because its the choice of the employer to charge people extra on their premiums. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 01/08/22 12:35:37 PM #466:	Not to mention that variants form and spread because they come to exist in the unvadxed population, and the ones that become dominant are the ones that can also survive in the vaxxed population. Denying care doesn't solve this. I realize everyone's frustrated and just venting but the denial of care argument doesn't go anywhere good. Arbitrary deciding of who lives and who dies on a mass scale is basically just eugenics in a different coat of paint. Direct ire at the government all you want for being too ineffective to implement any good solutions but we don't have to start entertaining awful ones. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:961576175] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Not to mention that variants form and spread because they come to exist in the unvadxed population, and the ones that become dominant are the ones that can also survive in the vaxxed population. Denying care doesn't solve this. I realize everyone's frustrated and just venting but the denial of care argument doesn't go anywhere good. Arbitrary deciding of who lives and who dies on a mass scale is basically just eugenics in a different coat of paint. Direct ire at the government all you want for being too ineffective to implement any good solutions but we don't have to start entertaining awful ones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 01/08/22 8:40:53 PM #467:	I think the issue is that there's a legitimate problem of hospitals being overloaded because of anti-vax fuckers. The solution obviously isn't as easy as "deny care," but where we're currently at is a sad reality where good people are dying from other reasons because anti-vax assholes are clogging up hospitals and thus denying non-assholes care, and that's obviously frustrating to people. As it stands right now, said anti-vax fuckers are just free to keep being anti-vax fuckers because they're so easily able to hog up resources from more deserving people, and that's never going to change as it currently stands. The selfish are actually being rewarded for being selfish, while good people are suffering while we placate these assholes. My patience with anti-vaxxers is at absolute zero. They are not good people. They are not deserving of being saved while others die because of their selfish actions. And yet we can apparently do nothing to punish them, and thus they will continue to be selfish, awful, terrible anti-vax assholes. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:961588271] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>I think the issue is that there's a legitimate problem of hospitals being overloaded because of anti-vax fuckers. The solution obviously isn't as easy as "deny care," but where we're currently at is a sad reality where good people are dying from other reasons because anti-vax assholes are clogging up hospitals and thus denying non-assholes care, and that's obviously frustrating to people. As it stands right now, said anti-vax fuckers are just free to keep being anti-vax fuckers because they're so easily able to hog up resources from more deserving people, and that's never going to change as it currently stands. The selfish are actually being rewarded for being selfish, while good people are suffering while we placate these assholes. My patience with anti-vaxxers is at absolute zero. They are not good people. They are not deserving of being saved while others die because of their selfish actions. And yet we can apparently do nothing to punish them, and thus they will continue to be selfish, awful, terrible anti-vax assholes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 01/08/22 8:50:13 PM #468:	In other news, Cyber Ninjas was court ordered to turn over all of their findings and methods and so on from the audit they conducted. Instead of complying, the CEO fired everybody in the company and filed for bankruptcy, claiming they now do not have the money required to comply with the court's orders. Said CEO then turned around and said he's now attempting to start a new, similar company, with the exact same workers he fired, and continue business in election auditing. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:961588529] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>In other news, Cyber Ninjas was court ordered to turn over all of their findings and methods and so on from the audit they conducted. Instead of complying, the CEO fired everybody in the company and filed for bankruptcy, claiming they now do not have the money required to comply with the court's orders. Said CEO then turned around and said he's now attempting to start a new, similar company, with the exact same workers he fired, and continue business in election auditing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 01/08/22 8:57:26 PM #469:	classic ninja move --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:961588715] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>classic ninja move </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/08/22 9:17:32 PM #470:	Sounds like behavior a judge is gonna look super favorably on --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:961589249] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Sounds like behavior a judge is gonna look super favorably on </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tom Bombadil 01/08/22 9:40:25 PM #471:	StealThisSheen posted... The selfish are actually being rewarded for being selfish, Are they, though? They've got a much higher death rate, hospital visits aren't big fun even if you survive, and we don't know what kinda long-term consequences they'll have later either. --- pretend there is a trans flag emoji here <cite>Tom Bombadil posted [p:961589816] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite> <quote>The selfish are actually being rewarded for being selfish,</quote> Are they, though? They've got a much higher death rate, hospital visits aren't big fun even if you survive, and we don't know what kinda long-term consequences they'll have later either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 01/10/22 10:42:04 PM #472:	https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/covid-omicron-vaccination-rashomon/621199/ --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:961648429] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/covid-omicron-vaccination-rashomon/621199/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 01/11/22 3:52:05 AM #473:	Chalk me up as vaccinated and done. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:961652966] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Chalk me up as vaccinated and done. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 01/11/22 3:53:19 AM #474:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... Chalk me up as vaccinated and done. why? --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:961652979] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>Chalk me up as vaccinated and done.</quote> why? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 01/11/22 4:13:20 AM #475:	That article basically nailed it tbh. Ive done everything Ive needed to, Ill wear a mask in close proximity, and if I get symptoms I isolate and test, but at this point Im not going to continue harming my mental and physical health staying home all day to protect people who dont want to be protected. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:961653105] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>That article basically nailed it tbh. Ive done everything Ive needed to, Ill wear a mask in close proximity, and if I get symptoms I isolate and test, but at this point Im not going to continue harming my mental and physical health staying home all day to protect people who dont want to be protected. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 01/11/22 5:52:57 AM #476:	staying home all day is not reasonable, but i see no reason to say "fuck it i'm just going to stop adhering to any covid measures now." for instance, wearing a mask is an incredibly minor inconvenience for me. i'm happy to keep doing it until it's absolutely not necessary anymore. granted, perhaps i would have a different outlook if i wore glasses and this were a big inconvenience for me. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:961653830] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>staying home all day is not reasonable, but i see no reason to say "fuck it i'm just going to stop adhering to any covid measures now." for instance, wearing a mask is an incredibly minor inconvenience for me. i'm happy to keep doing it until it's absolutely not necessary anymore. granted, perhaps i would have a different outlook if i wore glasses and this were a big inconvenience for me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 01/11/22 6:08:08 AM #477:	I wear glasses and its not really a big deal at all once youve found a mask that fits well (in fact, if youre fogging up your glasses thats a useful signal that the seal on your nose is inadequate). --- Congrats to azuarc, GotD2 Guru champ! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:961653944] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>I wear glasses and its not really a big deal at all once youve found a mask that fits well (in fact, if youre fogging up your glasses thats a useful signal that the seal on your nose is inadequate). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RaidenGarai 01/11/22 6:38:40 AM #478:	Yeah, I wear glasses and it's really not a big deal. --- https://www.twitch.tv/zerothe14th <cite>RaidenGarai posted [p:961654203] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, I wear glasses and it's really not a big deal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 01/11/22 7:08:48 AM #479:	Unsurprisingly, I totally agree. Im back to eating out twice a week. Were at the two year mark and vaccines show to massively decrease risk of death. Im not going to take precautions that are going to save unvaccinated lives from themselves, and Im not going to avoid doing things I want to do for something so low risk to vaccinated people. I feel like the whole But spreading creates variants! Argument also just went out the window with Omnicron and how fast it ripped through countries with way higher vaccine rates than here --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:961654502] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Unsurprisingly, I totally agree. Im back to eating out twice a week. Were at the two year mark and vaccines show to massively decrease risk of death. Im not going to take precautions that are going to save unvaccinated lives from themselves, and Im not going to avoid doing things I want to do for something so low risk to vaccinated people. I feel like the whole But spreading creates variants! Argument also just went out the window with Omnicron and how fast it ripped through countries with way higher vaccine rates than here </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 01/11/22 9:18:07 AM #480:	Really can't relate. I've been going out to eat sporadically and even been to a few big events since getting vaccinated and the whole experience is more stressful than ever before. Especially with Omicron I don't even want to bother anymore. I've also been working in-office since...May 2020 (relatively low risk job that can't be done remotely) which is somehow MORE demoralizing, not less. The only thing that could relieve my stress over a global pandemic is if had actually been handled well. --- I definitely did not forget to put the 2020 GOTD Guru winner, azuarc in my sig! <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:961656234] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Really can't relate. I've been going out to eat sporadically and even been to a few big events since getting vaccinated and the whole experience is more stressful than ever before. Especially with Omicron I don't even want to bother anymore. I've also been working in-office since...May 2020 (relatively low risk job that can't be done remotely) which is somehow MORE demoralizing, not less. The only thing that could relieve my stress over a global pandemic is if had actually been handled well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TotallyNotMI 01/11/22 9:30:14 AM #481:	Since I still have a kid who can't get vaccinated I can't just accept live going back to normal yet. Under 5 vaccine when??? --- I'm not sure who this MI guy is but he sounds sexy. <cite>TotallyNotMI posted [p:961656422] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Since I still have a kid who can't get vaccinated I can't just accept live going back to normal yet. Under 5 vaccine when??? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RaidenGarai 01/11/22 10:17:59 AM #483:	TotallyNotMI posted... Since I still have a kid who can't get vaccinated I can't just accept live going back to normal yet. Under 5 vaccine when??? They weren't getting the right immune response in 3-4 year olds as of last month, so I'm worried we'll have to wait a little longer. My youngest is 4, so we're waiting on it too. --- https://www.twitch.tv/zerothe14th <cite>RaidenGarai posted [p:961657191] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>TotallyNotMI posted... </cite> <quote>Since I still have a kid who can't get vaccinated I can't just accept live going back to normal yet. Under 5 vaccine when???</quote>They weren't getting the right immune response in 3-4 year olds as of last month, so I'm worried we'll have to wait a little longer. My youngest is 4, so we're waiting on it too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 01/12/22 7:18:16 AM #484:	UltimaterializerX posted... This coming from the people who defended Obamacare is all kinds of hilarious. Reminder: I don't like Obamacare. I like what came before even less. --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:961681214] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>UltimaterializerX posted... </cite> <quote>This coming from the people who defended Obamacare is all kinds of hilarious.</quote> Reminder: I don't like Obamacare. I like what came before even less. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 01/12/22 7:32:03 AM #485:	pretty sure nobody in this topic (aside from maybe LotM) likes obamacare lol --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:961681368] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>pretty sure nobody in this topic (aside from maybe LotM) likes obamacare lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 01/12/22 8:09:03 AM #486:	Obama care is a garbage middle ground --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:961681810] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Obama care is a garbage middle ground </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Not_an_Owl 01/12/22 12:12:50 PM #487:	masterplum posted... Obama care is a garbage middle ground And yet somehow it's better than what we had before. Granted it's nowhere near good enough. --- Besides, marijuana is far more harmful than steroids. - BlitzBomb I headbang to Bruckner. <cite>Not_an_Owl posted [p:961686831] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>Obama care is a garbage middle ground</quote>And yet somehow it's better than what we had before. Granted it's nowhere near good enough. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 01/12/22 12:49:34 PM #488:	Not_an_Owl posted... And yet somehow it's better than what we had before. Granted it's nowhere near good enough. There are definitely some things it changed that improved, but it somehow both reinforced the insurance system while simultaneously making an insurance system less possible by making it easier for healthy people to only get insurance when they needed it driving costs up. I agree an insurance system doesn't work for health care, but it isn't even a good attempt at making one --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:961687771] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Not_an_Owl posted... </cite> <quote>And yet somehow it's better than what we had before. Granted it's nowhere near good enough.</quote> There are definitely some things it changed that improved, but it somehow both reinforced the insurance system while simultaneously making an insurance system less possible by making it easier for healthy people to only get insurance when they needed it driving costs up. I agree an insurance system doesn't work for health care, but it isn't even a good attempt at making one </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 01/12/22 12:51:51 PM #489:	masterplum posted... There are definitely some things it changed that improved, but it somehow both reinforced the insurance system while simultaneously making an insurance system less possible by making it easier for healthy people to only get insurance when they needed it driving costs up. I agree an insurance system doesn't work for health care, but it isn't even a good attempt at making one looks at republicans and a lot of democrats come to the leftist side, plum. we have cake --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:961687836] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>There are definitely some things it changed that improved, but it somehow both reinforced the insurance system while simultaneously making an insurance system less possible by making it easier for healthy people to only get insurance when they needed it driving costs up. I agree an insurance system doesn't work for health care, but it isn't even a good attempt at making one</quote> looks at republicans and a lot of democrats come to the leftist side, plum. we have cake </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 01/12/22 1:06:32 PM #490:	https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-guest-reason-hiv-raging-among-trans-women-because-trans-women-are-men-and-they-are Some good old fashioned transphobia from our friends at Fox News --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:961688173] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-guest-reason-hiv-raging-among-trans-women-because-trans-women-are-men-and-they-are Some good old fashioned transphobia from our friends at Fox News </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 01/12/22 1:57:35 PM #491:	https://twitter.com/wsj/status/1481040738620264448?s=21 --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlKR5nU8AA_v_C?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:961689399] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/wsj/status/1481040738620264448?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VintageGin 01/12/22 2:00:02 PM #492:	Can we not Please --- Ginhyun http://i.imgur.com/t7G7uoU.gif <cite>VintageGin posted [p:961689459] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Can we not Please </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 01/12/22 2:01:11 PM #493:	Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/wsj/status/1481040738620264448?s=21 So um..... the authors are Republicans, right? --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:961689484] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/wsj/status/1481040738620264448?s=21 </quote> So um..... the authors are Republicans, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceKaro 01/12/22 2:07:41 PM #494:	Jakyl25 posted... https://twitter.com/wsj/status/1481040738620264448?s=21 "Mr. Schoen is founder and partner in Schoen Cooperman Research, a polling and consulting firm whose past clients include *Bill Clinton* and former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg." --- https://i.imgtc.com/a6iBg1Y.jpg Congrats to azuarc* on being really good at predicting stuff* <cite>PrinceKaro posted [p:961689638] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Jakyl25 posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/wsj/status/1481040738620264448?s=21 </quote> "Mr. Schoen is founder and partner in Schoen Cooperman Research, a polling and consulting firm whose past clients include Bill Clinton and former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 01/12/22 2:19:14 PM #495:	PrinceKaro posted... "Mr. Schoen is founder and partner in Schoen Cooperman Research, a polling and consulting firm whose past clients include *Bill Clinton* and former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg." LMAO --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:961689920] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>PrinceKaro posted... </cite> <quote>"Mr. Schoen is founder and partner in Schoen Cooperman Research, a polling and consulting firm whose past clients include Bill Clinton and former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg." </quote> LMAO </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seanchan 01/12/22 2:21:39 PM #496:	Fuck ~~(please elongate this out when reading aloud, thanks GFAQs censor...)~~ no to Hilary. She lost. To Donald Fucking Trump. And that loss cost us the Supreme Court for a generation. --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! <cite>Seanchan posted [p:961689983] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Fuck (please elongate this out when reading aloud, thanks GFAQs censor...) no to Hilary. She lost. To Donald Fucking Trump. And that loss cost us the Supreme Court for a generation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 01/12/22 2:23:22 PM #497:	Seanchan posted... Fuck ~~(please elongate this out when reading aloud, thanks GFAQs censor...)~~ no to Hilary. She lost. To Donald Fucking Trump. And that loss cost us the Supreme Court for a generation. You don't understand it was Bernie's fault. --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:961690027] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Seanchan posted... </cite> <quote>Fuck (please elongate this out when reading aloud, thanks GFAQs censor...) no to Hilary. She lost. To Donald Fucking Trump. And that loss cost us the Supreme Court for a generation.</quote> You don't understand it was Bernie's fault. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VintageGin 01/12/22 2:24:29 PM #498:	Honestly wouldn't be surprised if we see more garbage articles like this And it makes all of those previous articles that claimed Hillary was somehow uniquely prescient make a lot more sense --- Ginhyun http://i.imgur.com/t7G7uoU.gif <cite>VintageGin posted [p:961690057] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Honestly wouldn't be surprised if we see more garbage articles like this And it makes all of those previous articles that claimed Hillary was somehow uniquely prescient make a lot more sense </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 01/12/22 2:27:02 PM #499:	It's STILL somehow her turn --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:961690129] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>It's STILL somehow her turn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 01/12/22 2:30:47 PM #500:	Play Dragon Quest V --- Sir Chris <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:961690232] in Politics C... [t:79819982]...</cite> <quote>Play Dragon Quest V </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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