Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 378: My name is FD(A), and I Approve this Topic.

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masterplum posted...

I think past republican presidents condemning Trump shows that isn't the case. Sure, the republican party had complete nuts before such as newt Gingrich and Nixon, but it was never a plank in the party

Trump only said the quiet part out loud. We still had terrible economic and global policies that led to suffering. Yes, Trump is even more comic book than ever but the gop has been miserable since Nixon.

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masterplum posted...

I think past republican presidents condemning Trump shows that isn't the case. Sure, the republican party had complete nuts before such as newt Gingrich and Nixon, but it was never a plank in the party

You mean George H. W. Bush (deceased) and George W. Bush? That's two people. And George H.W. was pretty friendly with Bill Clinton.

It was always a plank in the party. It was just "Welfare Queen" instead of "Caravans"

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masterplum posted...

I think past republican presidents condemning Trump shows that isn't the case. Sure, the republican party had complete nuts before such as newt Gingrich and Nixon, but it was never a plank in the party

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

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Peace___Frog posted...

My big issue with that article is that the author presumes that the gop was fine before trump,

i mean, he was a speechwriter for GWB lol

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Those that do not learn history are doomed to repeat it. The moderate* members of the GOP will never reform anything, if that's even still possible, if they refuse to acknowledge their complicity in the actions that led to this point. Acting like Trump was the beginning isn't just morally indefensible, it's a failure on a pure analytical level. If you don't understand the logistics of how this happened, you will never get yourselves out of it.

Would I be willing to forgive some of these people and move on? Honestly, yes. But to get forgiveness you have to be honest with yourself and with others about what you need forgiveness for, or the exchange of apology/forgiveness will remain an empty gesture with no movement forward.

*Let's use the temperament definition of moderate here.

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Exactly. The author and others like him are searching for all of the redemption without any of the actually difficult work or responsibility.

Which sucks because we're basically going to need to work with them to prevent further abuses of power from the extremists who would prefer to overthrow the government.

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My eyes nearly rolled out of my skull when I saw the author was Frum but I kept reading anyway.

The first bit is the same kind of vanilla "realization" a lot of neocons went through when they realized that the base of the Republican party didn't support it because of the free trade, unfettered capitalism, nation-building, limited government ideals they professed to have but wanted the theocratic authoritarianism which had been teased to them over the past 40-50 years (and whose roots stretch back before the founding of the country but that's another conversation.)

But then the rest of it, which is the meat of the article, is just an extremely thinly veiled "Well, Dems, we're part of your coalition now and in order to keep us you had best acquiesce to our demands and move to the right towards that theoretical Republican party we thought we had back there." I'm not even really exaggerating in that either. There's a push in there for classic Republican pitches on issues couched grossly in false equivalence - and explicitly - with the anti-science, anti-vax, climate change denialism of the right.

And perhaps most grossly at all, it's all framed in the same self-aggrandizement they had and lectured to the nation back when they actually mostly held the reins of the GOP. Literally calling themselves (Never Trumpers) a "moralistic" impulse with the implication that the GOP excised them under Trump (again, as others have said this is false - this is the natural end result of the GOP's trajectory) and they're explicitly looking to implant themselves in the Democratic party now and guide it to a better place.

There's absolutely zero self-reflection in that piece. It almost goes there in the beginning when trying to analyze how they got purged from the GOP but then ignores any attempt to actually go in-depth on what exactly went on there and moves straight into trying to find a new host body in the Dems with the exact same playbook.

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As for what's going on today...

House Energy and Commerce committee had 3 Dems vote against drug price negotiation language in the reconciliation bill and defeat it there. Pharma started taking a victory lap and then Ways and Means put in their own language over in their committee lmao. When people want to talk about corrupt/corporate Dems they should probably start with ones like those 3 who did the bidding of lobbyists. Leadership actually immediately did the right thing here in going "hell no" and keeping up the fight.

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As for the GOP...

https://twitter.com/NYTnickc/status/1438154169043628035

PA Senate committee voted to approve 17 subpoenas for the personal information on every voter in the state, including partial SSNs and Driver's License numbers. All as part of their "investigation" into the 2020 election.

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I had a sensible chuckle at the part where Frum pretends Never Trumpers care about democracy as a concept, as if the anti-democratic principles of the GOP have not been a major factor for decades. He even cites the lopsided political advantage our system gives to conservatives as a reason Democrats should win people over! How badly do Never Trumpers actually want election reform versus just clutching their pearls over Jan 6 while still hoping the GOP goes back to basics?

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

He even cites the lopsided political advantage our system gives to conservatives as a reason Democrats should win people over!

He's right that the Democrats have to do something to deal with the inherent advantage the right currently has in our system. Somehow I don't think adopting the positions of the pre-Trump GOP is the answer, though.
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xp1337 posted...

PA Senate committee voted to approve 17 subpoenas for the personal information on every voter in the state, including partial SSNs and Driver's License numbers. All as part of their "investigation" into the 2020 election.

Oh boy, what could a group of wannabe autocrats do with all of my personal information? Surely they'll take good care of it!

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https://twitter.com/occupydemocrats/status/1438172420481765376?s=21

I saw a screenshot of this tweet and had to look it up myself.

lmao this is so crazy, wtf am I reading

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I'm like 70-30 that Occupy Democrats is some kind of astroturf

Paratroopa1 posted...

I'm like 70-30 that Occupy Democrats is some kind of astroturf

I thought the same thing but I wasnt sure if I was being an insane conspiracy theorist or not.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

I thought the same thing but I wasnt sure if I was being an insane conspiracy theorist or not.

This is exactly why I didnt say what I wanted to say, which was ok Occupy Dems is an op lmao

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Paratroopa1 posted...

I'm like 70-30 that Occupy Democrats is some kind of astroturf

Same honestly.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

This is exactly why I didnt say what I wanted to say, which was ok Occupy Dems is an op lmao

Im not saying they are an op but I am saying Im not sure what else theyd be doing differently if they were. That tweet is like perfectly crafted to run on Fox News as democrats want to evict inner city minorities from their homes!

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://twitter.com/occupydemocrats/status/1438172420481765376?s=21

I saw a screenshot of this tweet and had to look it up myself.

lmao this is so crazy, wtf am I reading

Sounds like he's about to be fined into bankruptcy given the law in Florida.

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Occupy Democrats has been insane for years now. This doesn't surprise me. I feel like trying to justify it being an astroturf is a no true scotsman fallacy

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No true Scotsman to what end? Doesnt really fit, especially if you agree theyre insane

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/farhip/status/1437597589684293640?s=21

they're really going for all-timers this week

https://twitter.com/justinbaragona/status/1438666911131254787

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https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgxjkw/why-is-fake-biden-dog-account-tweeting-pawrribly-wrong-theories-about-afghanistan

Weird as hell

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgxjkw/why-is-fake-biden-dog-account-tweeting-pawrribly-wrong-theories-about-afghanistan

Weird as hell

1.Before any hooman freaks out, these are just ?s, not pawccusations.

I hate this more than any sentence Ive ever read before.

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That account is so fucked. Look through their stuff to when there was that Florida building collapse or when one of the Biden dogs died for some grim stuff. Its like sad for all the hoomans and fur babies who crossed the rainbow bridge when the structural integrity of a building gave out ;_;

not exactly that, but something close where they just couldnt find a cutesy way to say a technical phrase

its just so messed up that they have no actual connection to the Bidens and are doing this weird roleplay as their dogs

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/17/politics/kabul-drone-strike-us-military-intl-hnk/index.html

Fuckin yikes, the report that the car the US hit with a drone strike in Kabul, that it was literally an aid worker and 7+ kids, was true.

We have got to abolish the use of armed drones, if any other country did this to use theyd be sanctioned to hell if not outright invaded.

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https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1438942473284427776?s=21

Great work

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/17/politics/kabul-drone-strike-us-military-intl-hnk/index.html

Fuckin yikes, the report that the car the US hit with a drone strike in Kabul, that it was literally an aid worker and 7+ kids, was true.

We have got to abolish the use of armed drones, if any other country did this to use theyd be sanctioned to hell if not outright invaded.

Sanctioning drones is dumb. If its not drones its just going to be missals which are more likely to hit the wrong target.

I'm all for staying out of other countries business though.

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masterplum posted...

Sanctioning drones is dumb. If its not drones its just going to be missals which are more likely to hit the wrong target.

I'm all for staying out of other countries business though.

honestly, they were pretty spot-on in targetting lefties. shame they fucked over gay and trans people though, and the whole crusades thing

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auto correct is the worst when it says yep you are good.

Like I knew that looked wrong, but I was like well I guess you know what you are talking about chrome.

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masterplum posted...

Sanctioning drones is dumb. If its not drones its just going to be missals which are more likely to hit the wrong target.

I mean yeah, I think we should stop those too.

Im genuinely asking because this kind of stuff gets 0 coverage in the US, but are there any other countries that regularly kill civilians in other countries and face 0 consequences?

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Biden is increasingly being criticized across the board. The FDA is upset with Bidens booster announcement. Allies are upset with Biden, with reports that he is being considered as a bumbling idiot basically by them. France is upset about the Australia submarine stuff. The Afghanistan withdrawal has people questioning his planning. Now the drone strike stuff.

Biden is doing all he can to lose the next election.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

1.Before any hooman freaks out, these are just ?s, not pawccusations.

I hate this more than any sentence Ive ever read before.

But he's just asking questions bro!!!!!

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

I mean yeah, I think we should stop those too.

Im genuinely asking because this kind of stuff gets 0 coverage in the US, but are there any other countries that regularly kill civilians in other countries and face 0 consequences?

Other countries ride the coattails of the US military. If other countries had similar militaries it would happen more often

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgxjkw/why-is-fake-biden-dog-account-tweeting-pawrribly-wrong-theories-about-afghanistan

Weird as hell

...Why is this a thing? Is it literally just some rando roleplaying as a dog?

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HashtagSEP posted...

...Why is this a thing? Is it literally just some rando roleplaying as a dog?

Theres a Twitter account for Muffin, the Dog from Friday the 13th Part 2. All it does is bark at the other horror role playing/parody accounts though.

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Corrik7 posted...

Biden is increasingly being criticized across the board. The FDA is upset with Bidens booster announcement. Allies are upset with Biden, with reports that he is being considered as a bumbling idiot basically by them. France is upset about the Australia submarine stuff. The Afghanistan withdrawal has people questioning his planning. Now the drone strike stuff.

Biden is doing all he can to lose the next election.

Yeah and considering that everyone else who might be running is demonstrably worse thats scary

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Im genuinely asking because this kind of stuff gets 0 coverage in the US, but are there any other countries that regularly kill civilians in other countries and face 0 consequences?

Yes.

RaidenGarai posted...

Theres a Twitter account for Muffin, the Dog from Friday the 13th Part 2. All it does is bark at the other horror role playing/parody accounts though.

You can't just say something like this and not link the account

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VintageGin posted...

You can't just say something like this and not link the account

https://twitter.com/muffinf13

There are accounts for almost every Halloween character, and a decent amount of Friday. Cool shit!

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You have to remember that other countries, even democratic ones, don't have as free of a press as the US has.

So yes, there is a reason US news covers US atrocities.

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Corrik7 posted...

Biden is increasingly being criticized across the board. The FDA is upset with Bidens booster announcement. Allies are upset with Biden, with reports that he is being considered as a bumbling idiot basically by them. France is upset about the Australia submarine stuff. The Afghanistan withdrawal has people questioning his planning. Now the drone strike stuff.

Biden is doing all he can to lose the next election.

when it comes to people who are so upset that biden withdrew from afghanistan, i would still love to know what their solution is.

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Leafeon13N posted...

Yes.

Good info

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Good info

The strength and presence of journalists is definitely a factor that plays into uncovering the truth behind such incidents. Because without pretty damning evidence to the contrary no government is willingly going to admit to it if they can avoid it.

I believe Human Rights Watch investigated a number of Israeli drone strikes and found civilian casualties.

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If you want to count supposedly autonomous regions, China does it in far greater numbers than anyone else these days.

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Lol yeah well Israel doesnt count, its basically US #2

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Without feeling the need to look into it I'd imagine Russia and China are pretty high up there.

Lol

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Our good friend Saudi Arabia definitely up there as well murdering civilians with the stuff we give them

Another really interesting one

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/09/blame-the-bobos-creative-class/619492/

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

when it comes to people who are so upset that biden withdrew from afghanistan, i would still love to know what their solution is.

Do it better.

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Trump asked Raffensperger to decertify and overturn the election in Georgia

No, not in December

Today.

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