Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 378: My name is FD(A), and I Approve this Topic.

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Thats a good comeback. Thanks for the receipts.

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HashtagSEP posted...

Im not sure that disproves that she was functionally all that different, since youd definitely have to weight that based on what, specifically, she supported vs. what she didnt.

I mean, regardless of specific issues, she voted against trumps wishes more often than every other Republican senator (barring ones that were elected right as Trump left office)


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masterplum posted...

Every time someone is mad at Susan Collins I eyeroll. Alabama elected a football coach. It feels like it borders on misogyny at times.

It's not misogyny. Susan Collins calls herself pro-choice. She's one of the few pro-choice Republicans in the Senate. (The other is Lisa Murkoswki, who's also responsible since she voted for the Handmaiden) But she went along party lines on this, despite being told "This is bad for women!" She said "No, Brett assured me that Roe was settled law!" Which nobody who wasn't born yesterday was buying.


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Yeah. We hate all the GOP senators, but no one is expecting Tommy Tuberville to be some champion of women's rights. He won election because Alabama is the kind of state with a college football coach can win the election, which speaks volumes about their priorities. But Susan Collins claims to be pro-choice, and she's from a state that reliably votes Democratic, yet she's just as lock-step with the rest of the GOP when it matters. You point out her voting record differing from Trump's agenda, but the GOP had a Senate majority through most of Trump's. People like her, or Murkowski, or Romney, or Rand Paul (who I don't think anyone would argue is a complete shitstain asshole) could afford to throw votes against legislation they knew would pass anyway. When the chips were down, McCain's the only person who actually stood against Trump's agenda in a way that mattered.

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The other thing for Collins voting record is the Republicans didn't have a 50/50 split in the Senate where they always needed every vote. Collins was very good at voting against the party... when it didn't matter. When they would lose other votes and needed her vote, she would fall in line.

How many of those times she voted against Trump did it matter? The only one I know of off hand was repealing the ACA... but again, her vote against it didn't matter until McCain surprised everyone by voting against it.

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oh Viso beat me to that

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masterplum posted...

Every time someone is mad at Susan Collins I eyeroll. Alabama elected a football coach. It feels like it borders on misogyny at times.

Oh fuck right off with this.

You know what's misogynistic? Passing a law that essentially outlaws abortion.

You know who paved the way for that by being hopelessly naive about a pro-life potential attempted rapist judge who insisted during his hearings that Democrats would reap the whirlwind? Susan Collins.

You come back to me when you can cite all the times I helped take away women's rights.

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I never understood the hate for Susan Collins. She's a Republican, she's said so for more than 20 years in office. Why would you expect her to vote differently from how she's always voted?

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red sox 777 posted...

I never understood the hate for Susan Collins. She's a Republican, she's said so for more than 20 years in office. Why would you expect her to vote differently from how she's always voted?

I don't any of us expect that from her. We get upset because she markets herself as this moderate, and she comes from a blue state, yet still votes hardline Republican whenever her vote is actually needed. And let's be honest here: Maine votes for her because Maine, like a lot of New England states, is blue, but wants to be moderate blue instead of liberal blue (hence all the Republican governors we've had up here). So it gets frustrating with her specifically because she paints herself as a moderate swing vote who cares about certain liberal issues, then doesn't support those issues when it matters.

It also is a matter of the difference in parties. Joe Manchin is a conservative Democrat, and he won his seat in a very red state. So when he votes conservative, it's frustrating, but I understand it at least. But it gets annoying that Susan Collins, from a blue state, ultimately doesn't behave in a similar. For Dems, it sucks because our party is so ideologically diverse that we get Manchins and Synemas that screw us over, while the GOP has nothing of the sort. Susan Collins can campaign on moderation, vote hardline Republican every time, and get away with it.

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So if hate for Susan Collins is mostly because she's further to the right than expected for someone from her state, why doesn't this topic adore Joe Manchin (who is similarly further left than his state)?
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there's no reason to adore a detestable person just because they could be worse (that being said, Manchin complaints here are often couched with consideration that there could be worse in his place)

being a worse person than you could be obviously isn't comparable at all

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Xeybozn posted...

So if hate for Susan Collins is mostly because she's further to the right than expected for someone from her state, why doesn't this topic adore Joe Manchin (who is similarly further left than his state)?

I personally don't hate Manchin and understand his position. However, I can understand how aggravating it is for Democrats as a whole. If Susan Collins was a moderate Republican in a blue state who reasonably sided with the Democrats as a result, I think Manchin would not be as frustrating. Similarly, if Manchim was a moderate Democrat in a red state, yet still rubber stamped Democrat policies in spite of his constituency, Collins wouldn't be as frustrating. But the fact that BOTH put the Senate more conservative, and stymie the Democratic agenda (and as a result, the Dems have to work three times harder than the GOP to get what they want), makes them both punching bags.

I have to imagine Krysten Sinema is more hated than both though.

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Xeybozn posted...

So if hate for Susan Collins is mostly because she's further to the right than expected for someone from her state, why doesn't this topic adore Joe Manchin (who is similarly further left than his state)?

this has both some of the worst assumptions and some of the worst conclusions i've seen in this series

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Xeybozn posted...

So if hate for Susan Collins is mostly because she's further to the right than expected for someone from her state, why doesn't this topic adore Joe Manchin (who is similarly further left than his state)?

It's why on a personal level I've never given Manchin as much shit as everyone else does in this topic. By all accounts he shouldn't even be in the Senate. We shouldn't have to rely on a Democratic senator from a ruby red state to be the deciding vote and that's why you get so frustrated at Maine because they voted overwhelmingly for Biden.

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In other somewhat political news, this year's nastiest election (I'm not being sarcastic, it's been really nasty) so far has come to a close with Fran Drescher defeating Matthew Modine for president of the Screen Actors Guild:

https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/fran-drescher-president-sag-aftra-joely-fisher-1235054675/

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Xeybozn posted...

So if hate for Susan Collins is mostly because she's further to the right than expected for someone from her state, why doesn't this topic adore Joe Manchin (who is similarly further left than his state)?

Manchin is further left than his state, but still blocks the Democratic Agenda. Especially when that agenda actually helps people. (Let's not forget that his daughter raised the price of EpiPens by 400%!) Sure, he's the reason why Mitch McConnell isn't blocking Biden's agenda. But now Manchin is blocking it himself. There's a functional difference (namely federal judges) but it'd sure be nice if Manchin tried a bit harder to sell his state on infrastructure that will help them.

Collins on the other hand mostly virtue signals her beliefs, but as soon as McConnell says "Jump!" she asks "How high?" It feels like everything she does is for nothing more than show.

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red sox 777 posted...

I never understood the hate for Susan Collins. She's a Republican,

which is why i hate her.

glad i could be of help.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

which is why i hate her.

glad i could be of help.

But you don't hate me and I'm a......

Well, my voter registration doesn't have a party on it, I guess.

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red sox 777 posted...

But you don't hate me and I'm a......

Well, my voter registration doesn't have a party on it, I guess.

yeah, you're not a republican. no republican likes bernie.

and even if you were, you don't work in politics so you're not actively ruining your country.

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Dancedreamer posted...

everything she does is for nothing more than show.

This is an equally accurate statement with the first three words cut off.

Collins is scum. Even moreso than your average Republican fascist trash because she pretends and panders enough for people who aren't paying attention to buy into the idea that she's a moderate. She's fucking not.

https://twitter.com/RepRoKhanna/status/1433939541610618881

What the fuck, Ro

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https://youtu.be/Cup6KR-o498

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To the best of my knowledge homeopathic = "we can't really prove this stuff does anything... but trust us, it does! "

Am I missing anything?

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/RepRoKhanna/status/1433939541610618881

What the fuck, Ro

Why shouldn't people be able to use whatever products they like, provided they are safe?

Homeopathic products are well known to not be scientifically backed.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

To the best of my knowledge homeopathic = "we can't really prove this stuff does anything... but trust us, it does! "

Am I missing anything?

yes

that the "medicines" often don't even have any ingredients

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red sox 777 posted...

Homeopathic products are well known to not be scientifically backed.

Then they shouldnt be marketed and sold as medicine.

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NFUN posted...

yes

that the "medicines" often don't even have any ingredients

I think this is why they're looking to regulate it actually. There's knockoff homeopathic stuff that actually has active ingredient in it and given they usually start with toxic crap people are getting sick off of it. If they restrict it to nothing but the official stuff, then at least they'll be sure to get a placebo instead of poison.

Of course they don't think it's a placebo, but the problems posed by the knockoffs is clear enough either way.

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red sox 777 posted...

Why shouldn't people be able to use whatever products they like, provided they are safe?

Homeopathic products are well known to not be scientifically backed.

Because people forgoing real medicine for snake oil also causes real harm

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So various media outlets are running this story about how there are fears Afghanistan could descend into civil war...what do they think has basically been happening the last 20 years?

So, the Republican running in the CA governor recall election argued for reparations for slave... ....*checks notes, double-takes* ... ...owners.

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1433931577025712130

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Dear California, if Newsom wins the recall, PLEASE change your recall rules. We'd appreciate it it. We know you're usually good on things, but your recall rules are dumb.

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Dancedreamer posted...

Dear California, if Newsom wins the recall, PLEASE change your recall rules. We'd appreciate it it. We know you're usually good on things, but your recall rules are dumb.

When we have things that are actually contested in an election we tend to end up voting for the worst outcome.

But we'll see.

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https://twitter.com/KXAN_News/status/1435294934555189258

"Don't need a rape exception for our draconian abortion ban if we... magically eliminate all rape"

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/KXAN_News/status/1435294934555189258

"Don't need a rape exception for our draconian abortion ban if we... magically eliminate all rape"

I think this is the hardest I have ever laughed at a political headline

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Dancedreamer posted...

Dear California [. . .] We know you're usually good on things

yeah unless there's a big propaganda campaign for 60% of the state to fall for, anything actually progressive up for a vote, or a dipshit actor running for governor

then we drop the ball consistently

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So Briahna Joy Gray told a Jewish woman that she (the Jewish woman) has no right to be more angry at Nazis than she (Gray) is, and that she thinks most of her anger is performative because of it.

I think this woman just needs to stay off the internet for awhile.

Like, I think her point is that racism is racism, and it impacts everybody, which I can respect, but that is noooot the way to get your point across.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

"Don't need a rape exception for our draconian abortion ban if we... magically eliminate all rape"

To be fair, maybe he's planning on putting all men in jail. This would, of course, have to include himself.

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If you actually looked up the context, they were literally talking about American White Nationalists and the Alt Right, and everyone shorthands that as Nazis (including BJG, who admitted she misspoke), but youre insane if you think a black woman isnt allowed to be as mad at White Supremacists, especially when the person she was talking to literally accused her of wanting to kiss Nazis on the cheek.

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HashtagSEP posted...

So Briahna Joy Gray told a Jewish woman that she (the Jewish woman) has no right to be more angry at Nazis than she (Gray) is, and that she thinks most of her anger is performative because of it.

I think this woman just needs to stay off the internet for awhile.

Like, I think her point is that racism is racism, and it impacts everybody, which I can respect, but that is noooot the way to get your point across.

The conservative anti-cancel movement has a field day with insane leftists.

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masterplum posted...

The conservative anti-cancel movement has a field day with insane leftists.

They have a field day with everything because they are detached from reality.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

but youre insane if you think a black woman isnt allowed to be as mad at White Supremacists

That's not what I said.

I said that, when specifically using the word "Nazis," she shouldn't be telling a Jewish woman that her anger is performative. That just comes off bad any way you slice it.

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masterplum posted...

The conservative anti-cancel movement has a field day with Biden looking at his watch.

masterplum posted...

The conservative anti-cancel movement has a field day with Ilhan Omar existing

masterplum posted...

The conservative anti-cancel movement has a field day with Starbucks Red Cups

masterplum posted...

The conservative anti-cancel movement has a field day with childproof pill bottles

masterplum posted...

The conservative anti-cancel movement has a field day with female main characters

masterplum posted...

The conservative anti-cancel movement has a field day with gay main characters

masterplum posted...

The conservative anti-cancel movement has a field day with black main characters

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HashtagSEP posted...

That's not what I said.

I said that, when specifically using the word "Nazis," she shouldn't be telling a Jewish woman that her anger is performative. That just comes off bad any way you slice it.

Just say you dont know the context.

She didnt TELL her anything, in fact she properly said White Supremacist TO the Jewish woman and the woman agreed with her! When she said Nazi (as many people in this country do as shorthand for White Supremacist) was in a post-interview closing portion, alone.

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1435127618366541824?s=21

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1435130257464496129?s=21

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That said, regarding the overall topic, I absolutely do not agree with the whole "deradicalization" approach when it comes to white supremacists and the like, because deradicalization requires one actually being open to being deradicalized, and these people absolutely are not.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

She didnt TELL her anything, in fact she properly said White Supremacist TO the Jewish woman and the woman agreed with her! When she said Nazi (as many people in this country do as shorthand for White Supremacist) was in a post-interview closing portion, alone.

Okay, excuse me, she didn't say it to her. She said it about her.

That's not better.

Calling her anger "performative" is flat out insulting and belittling.


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HashtagSEP posted...

That said, regarding the overall topic, I absolutely do not agree with the whole "deradicalization" approach when it comes to white supremacists and the like, because deradicalization requires one actually being open to being deradicalized, and these people absolutely are not.

LOL youre repeating everything so wrong it has to be intentional.

Briahna didnt bring up OR endorse deradicalization in the interview, her guest did! in response to a question about the tension between building a coalition while parts of society are seen as untouchable.

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/1435623655598399492?s=21

To put it another way, is working with the Republican Party to pass stuff you want a good thing, or is that getting in bed with the enemy? (This is a thing Liberals elected Joe Biden for btw)

HashtagSEP posted...

Okay, excuse me, she didn't say it to her. She said it about her.

That's not better.

Calling her anger "performative" is flat out insulting and belittling.

People interchange the word Nazi, but the discussion was about White Supremacists, I gave you the context dude.

Also she wondered why it seems performative in the way that her guest literally accused her of wanting to kiss Nazis on the cheek as if she wasnt angry and/or threatened by the very seem people herself.

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Also man, Briahnas Twitter replies are genuinely some of the worst on the entire hellsite.

Just the absolute nastiest people, and so many of them have raging hate-boners for Bernie.

Weird!

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Anyhoo, what spawned my thoughts was that the woman she interviewed came out and said she basically felt ambushed by the discussion because she was never told it'd be about deradicalization, and she wouldn't have come on to discuss it if she had been, and likewise she tried to change the subject multiple times and then asked to not to publish the interview when the subject wouldn't be changed, so she feels especially upset when BJG then went on to call her anger performative since she basically trapped her in the discussion to begin with.

Now, after seeing your last post, I see this has become a she said/she said kind of thing, since the guest is claiming BJG made it about deradicalization, and BJG is saying the guest did, and it's impossible to know since there is a clear cut there between BJG's question and the guests's response, so it's impossible to know what was or was not edited for the final cut, so I'll just back off from the discussion because now I don't know what's true and what isn't.

EDIT: Like, if the guest is now just making shit up, then I retract literally everything I said, but it's hard to know so I'll just "My bad" on bringing it up.

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Supposedly Manchin is tanking the infrastructure deal

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let's see what all the presidents are doing on the 20th anniversary of 9/11

W - Shanksville memorial
Obama - NYC memorial
Biden - Shanksville, Pentagon, and NYC memorials

Trump - https://twitter.com/Grabaka_Hitman/status/1435357841196519425

never forget TO TUNE IN TO THE MOST ANTICIPATED HEAVYWEIGHT FIGHT OF THE YEAR

(idk what carter's doing i guess it's not impossible he's going to be ringside at aew or something)

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