Board 8 > MLB and Baseball Topic #2: Jeff Wilpon is an Embarrass-met

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are you serious, the Yankees couldn't outbid Houston for Greinke? it had better come out that he refused a trade to the Yankees.
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Greinke does have a no trade clause to the Yankees in his contract apparently. Yankees absolutely got screwed though. The proposed demand in return for Robbie Ray was absurd. Maybe the Yankees should have made it, but it was still ridiculous.
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Oh man. Goodbye sweet prince.
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The Mets , keeping Wheeler really makes no sense considering they didn't add any BP pieces. Either they were to trade wheeler for something as a focus on 2020 or they keep him and get some relievers if they are delusional enough to compete in 2019. Doing one and not the other literally makes no sense. It's always the fucking middle ground, half measures with this team in literally everything they do.
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Yeah, Grienke has a no trade clause involving nearly half the league.

And I didn't particularly expect the Orioles to trade anyone. Pretty indifferent about that.
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Wait no Dan Straily and his 9.82 ERA was traded to the Phillies

Whoo cash
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Why the fuck do MLB teams consistently feel the need to help out the Astros? Was this some kind of clause they had in their contract when they switched leagues?!
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Get friend Verlander another world series
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https://twitter.com/BobKlap/status/1156673473806290944

Among dead-ends #Yankees ran into was deal with #Mets, who I'm told were ready to flip Stroman to the Bronx in exchange for Estevan Florial and Deivi Garcia, among others. #Yankees said no.

shrug
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Everyone lost the deadline but the Astros.

WiggumFan267 posted...

https://twitter.com/BobKlap/status/1156673473806290944

Among dead-ends #Yankees ran into was deal with #Mets, who I'm told were ready to flip Stroman to the Bronx in exchange for Estevan Florial and Deivi Garcia, among others. #Yankees said no.

shrug

Wow
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WiggumFan267 posted...

https://twitter.com/BobKlap/status/1156673473806290944

Among dead-ends #Yankees ran into was deal with #Mets, who I'm told were ready to flip Stroman to the Bronx in exchange for Estevan Florial and Deivi Garcia, among others. #Yankees said no.

shrug

What do you think about Florial for Wheeler? See that's one I thought actually made some sense for both teams. I guess dealing Stroman to the Yankees wouldn't have stung the Wilpons as much since they only just got him. Plus, it's basically turning the guys they dealt to the Blue Jays into even better prospects.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

What do you think about Florial for Wheeler? See that's one I thought actually made some sense for both teams. I guess dealing Stroman to the Yankees wouldn't have stung the Wilpons as much since they only just got him. Plus, it's basically turning the guys they dealt to the Blue Jays into even better prospects.

Mets need guys who are ready to play for 2020, so that wouldn't have worked. The stroman deal locked them specifically into that year. Frazier or Andujar for Wheeler would've been more fair like I said but not a fit. If they turned around and dealt Stroman right after getting him, that would've meant they were looking at 2020 as a rebuild year. So I'm not sure I even believe that Stroman reported deal, as it is opposite of their trying to compete in 2020 strategy, which all of their moves have lined up with. The 2019 plan doesn't make sense, but the 2020 does (if they spend, so jury still out "lol")
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Also, boy some interesting stuff during the Mets/ChiSox game today.
Ump saved the Mets a run by a line drive that kicked off of him. Runner scored, but the rule is a ball hit off an ump in the infield is automatic 1 base... wouldve drove in a run if it didn't hit him (or if the rule didn't exist)

But earlier , umps blew replay in a play where the sox SS came off second making a force out.

Worst of all though is this, I don't have a video yet, but in the 9th with the go ahead run on first base, JD Davis drives one down the line, lands in the corner and......

It lands right where the field looks like this:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA2mNs8W4AAnJh_.jpg

Right where there's no foul line. What the hell???? How is this acceptable for a grounds crew? How can you just not have a foul line there for a good 10 inches? The ball hit right around there. Ruled foul on the field, went to replay and they couldn't tell, there was no way to. It looked fair from one angle but not enough evidence at all. So stupid though that that almost cost the Mets the game.

Luckily, they took care of it (but not before not getting deGrom a win in a gem, as per usual but to be fair it was vs Giolito)
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Giants kept Smith and Bumgarner, which I'm very much in favor of, but the moves they did make puts a hole in our bullpen that I'm not sure it's consistent.

On the one hand keeping our bigger names indicated we're playing for THIS season. And why not? With a mlb best July we pulled within 2 games of a wild card slot. The playoff potential is there.

But what did we get for our trades? A handful of guys who "might" be ready good the majors "soon". Only Gennet seems liable to see play soon, and he's been lackluster so far this year, having a late start owing to injuries.

I feel like we needed to pick up more reliable offensive production of we were really planning to make the most of THIS year and we didn't get it.

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With that said they have momentum on their side and they have enough pieces there that they can definitely do it, I was just surprised by the inconsistency in that approach and I'm worried that we are going to start forfeiting close games down the stretch if the relievers we have to call up don't perform as well as we need them to.
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here's the play in question

https://twitter.com/MLBReplays/status/1156783555042775041

Bad groundskeeping to not have that line there. You can bet it'll be there tomorrow
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that looks pretty obviously fair to me. compare it to the wall, there's plenty of overlap with the line. don't know what the announcers and/or umps were smoking there.
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WiggumFan267 posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

What do you think about Florial for Wheeler? See that's one I thought actually made some sense for both teams. I guess dealing Stroman to the Yankees wouldn't have stung the Wilpons as much since they only just got him. Plus, it's basically turning the guys they dealt to the Blue Jays into even better prospects.

Mets need guys who are ready to play for 2020, so that wouldn't have worked. The stroman deal locked them specifically into that year. Frazier or Andujar for Wheeler would've been more fair like I said but not a fit. If they turned around and dealt Stroman right after getting him, that would've meant they were looking at 2020 as a rebuild year. So I'm not sure I even believe that Stroman reported deal, as it is opposite of their trying to compete in 2020 strategy, which all of their moves have lined up with. The 2019 plan doesn't make sense, but the 2020 does (if they spend, so jury still out "lol")

I thought Florial was relatively ready? Could be wrong on that though since I don't pay as much attention to prospects/minor leagues as much as probably should be. But still, I get the point. He is unproven either way and the Mets want proven players to compete next year.
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Florial is still in single-A and not having a very good season this year. He's probably 2 to 3 years away from coming to MLB.
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Xuxon posted...

that looks pretty obviously fair to me. compare it to the wall, there's plenty of overlap with the line. don't know what the announcers and/or umps were smoking there.

I thought it was fair myself on replay, but not definitively and without the foul line it is difficult to tell. I was a little surprised it wasn't overturned but not completely shocked. That was the Chicago announcers though, wish I had a replay with ours. They acknowledged from some angles it looked fair
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Suspensions from yesterday's Reds/Pirates incident are not pretty

Kela 10 games
Garrett 8 games
Osuna 5 games
Hughes 3 games
Crick 3 games
Puig 3 games
Bell 6 games
Hurdle 2 games
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7 in a row..., including losing 3 1-run walkoffs @ SF.... hmph.
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Giants drop an important wild card game vs Phillies. First series they have lost in over a month. At least it was in Philadelphia so it's understandable.
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Surprised to see Kela is more than Garret. You think they would be the same but I also get they are trying to send a message "you don't throw at people intentionally, especially near the head"
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Kela should be suspended the whole season. He admitted straight up to throwing at a guy's head. There is no way that should be acceptable.
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why are there four teams not playing today? it's a Friday.
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Xuxon posted...

why are there four teams not playing today? it's a Friday.

That is really weird.

What teams?

Baked in make up day maybe? Idk

Athletics, Rays, Marlins, Cardinals. was checking to see how the Rays were doing and noticed they weren't there, then counted the games and it was only 13.
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I believe both the Yankees and Mets already had a Friday off this season. Guess it's just an inevitability of the modern schedule.
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well the Yankees and Red Sox had a Friday off to travel to London. i think that was the only instance of the Yankees having a Friday off. i don't exactly follow the Mets, though now that you mention it Wigs might have posted about that here.
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So yeah, it's inevitable that a new record for home runs by a team in a season will be set this year; the Twins might even break the record by the end of August. The question is, how far on the all-time list will the current record fall? The Twins are on pace for 314, which annihilates the record, but the Yankees, Astros, and Dodgers are on pace for 272, 270, and 269 respectively, all of which would just narrowly beat out the 267 of the 2018 Yankees.
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https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2018/08/27/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/MLB-sked.aspx

Among those new ideas was the creation of several two-game weekend series with Friday off-days, a marked departure from the typical schedule. Clubs including the As, Angels, Rays, Reds and White Sox opted for those, typically with a goal of showcasing key interleague matchups.

MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred said in June that such sets were being considered. The thinking is that by funneling fan interest to those key dates on the weekend when attendance is already stronger, it could more than make up for the loss of weaker Friday dates.

so apparently the teams themselves chose to eliminate a few friday games to boost attendance. mostly small markets with poor fanbases.
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Man Chris Sale is BAD. Don't the Sox have to pay him through 2024 or something?
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Didn't watch the game but apparently the home plate umpire was atrocious for the Red Sox today. Still though, looks like Sale wasn't exactly pitching well anyway.
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I was out all weekend and didn't get to watch the games but after beating up on the White Sox and Pirates, STILL BUYING BACK IN BABY

also McNeil just hit another first pitch homer. the legend.
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.500, wow. I know it's vs mostly bad teams but man what a run from 11 under
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WiggumFan267 posted...

.500, wow. I know it's vs mostly bad teams but man what a run from 11 under

Congratulations. That puts the Mets only a couple games out of a wildcard spot, right? Pretty well within reach.

Meanwhile the Rangers continue to float right around .500 after their recent slide, though at least they only actually fell below the mark once

Go go my tigerz let's get swept by white Sox
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OMFGGGGGG the fucking fight in this team (vs the Marlins shhhhhhh), down 4-2 , offense looking lethargic in this 2nd DH game, BAM homers from JD, then back to back from Conforto and Alonso and the mets take the lead 5-4 ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

BOUGHT ALL IN (until we face actual good teams)

yes the mets are within WC range, but the team still has significant weaknesses. it would take a shit ton of luck for them to be able to compete this year and they're finally getting some. but they still have no bench and the bullpen is going to revert and diaz sucks a ton but hey I'm going to enjoy this fun while it lasts cuz I know it wont lol. so if theres congrats its just on the recent fun for now lol
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(and now they've won)

OVER .500 FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE MAY BABY

YA GOTTA BELIEVE
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https://twitter.com/SNYtv/status/1158570847315156992

HE SAID IT
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no matter what happens in the end, this is amazing because getting to experience meaningful and fun August baseball is a thing that does not happen to Mets fans very often.
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WiggumFan267 posted...

no matter what happens in the end, this is amazing because getting to experience meaningful and fun August baseball is a thing that does not happen to Mets fans very often.

As a Brewers fan, I feel your pain. We get that magic year or two, and then it's back in the toilet for a while.

Enjoy the ride! With their pitching they could make some noise this year
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12 of last 13
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1.5 games back
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Meanwhile the Giants decided having the best July record was cool and all, but they aren't all that interested in wild card contention after all

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Meanwhile the Giants decided having the best July record was cool and all, but they aren't all that interested in wild card contention after all

Thanks for not selling.

I'm not even sure who was shopping for Smith or Madbum to begin with or if any serious offers had been made.

And they aren't completely out of it by any stretch, but it's sorely disappointing to see how quickly they fell after such a brilliant surge.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

I'm not even sure who was shopping for Smith or Madbum to begin with or if any serious offers had been made.

And they aren't completely out of it by any stretch, but it's sorely disappointing to see how quickly they fell after such a brilliant surge.

The Brewers wanted both, but it sounds like the sellers in general were asking for way too much this year. They had to settle for Black and Drew.
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WiggumFan267 posted...

1.5 games back

I was in London the last week and met some Mets fan and he gave me (good natured) shit the whole time. ha.

at least David Price was hired to let us know his feelings about Dennis Eckersley's commentary and not to be an ace, at least we will win the trophy for that
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