Board 8 > MLB and Baseball Topic #2: Jeff Wilpon is an Embarrass-met

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guffguy89 posted...

you should know better by now

oh i know, dont get me wrong

but i also forget after every time they win
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callaway left rene rivera in to hit for himself with a righty who gets destroyed by lefties on the mound with the bases loaded and 2 outs in a 1 run game

when the mets claim "hey at least we tried our best" after they miss the playoffs, remember shit like this, where they clearly did not
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SETH LUGO WITH THE RBI SINGLE HITTING FOR HIMSELF THOOOoooooo

huge insurance run and now he can close it out himself
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The Cardinals sweeping the Cubs in a 4 game series with each game being a 1-run difference is one of the most brutal series I've ever seen
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Brewers needed the Cubs to do some damage to the Cardinals so they could win the division. Naturally, the Cubs and their huge payroll managed to choke it away again.

https://twitter.com/reviewngthebrew/status/1175878031400939520?s=21

C ompletely
U seless
B y
S eptember

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Mets need to win out and the brewers need to lose like a lot. Please. also fuck the nats
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You should be more concerned about simply making the playoffs than it coming via division or wild card.
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WiggumFan267 posted...

Mets need to win out and the brewers need to lose like a lot. Please. also fuck the nats

The Brewers do have some tough pitching coming up in their next series (Sonny Gray tomorrow), but it would take a Cubs style collapse for them to miss out now. Still could happen since it's the Brewers, but I'm thinking a loss in the play in game is in our future since the Cubs can't be counted on to rough up the Cardinals a bit.
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What happens if the Rays tie for the final wildcard spot. Is there a match to decide it or is there a tiebreaker?

ShatteredElysium posted...

What happens if the Rays tie for the final wildcard spot. Is there a match to decide it or is there a tiebreaker?

Yes, they have to play an extra game. That's actually happened to the Rays once before.

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

What happens if the Rays tie for the final wildcard spot. Is there a match to decide it or is there a tiebreaker?

Yes, they have to play an extra game. That's actually happened to the Rays once before.

The Brewers and Cubs had to play an extra game last year to determine who won the division, but that wasn't for a wildcard spot. The game was played in Chicago because they won the head to head if I recall correctly.
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anyone who watched the mets in 2007 and 2008 knew ahead of time how a late-game must-sweep series vs a Marlins team with nothing to play for was likely to go
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and just like that its 6-0 marlins and I'm feeling parts of those years all over again.

Very much a what could've been season. so many things went right for them that may not go right again, and so many other easily addressable things went wrong.
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"that one game" you wish the mets could have back. There's a ton of them.
Diaz blown save vs Dodgers,
Diaz blown save vs PHI,
nats 6-run 9th inning,
18-inning loss in SF,
16-inning loss in MIL,
Diaz Rain Delay loss / Blown Save to the cardinals,
scoring 1 run in 14 innings vs the Braves (which was a deGrom home run)
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NEVERMIND ROSARIO GRAND SLAM SEASON REVIVED FOR THE 19TH TIME (still down 6-4 lol)
I HAVE TO ALWAYS BE TEASED

I know how its going to end, we all do.
Does that matter?
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With 2 outs and the bases loaded, and an infield grounder to Alonso mets pitcher Brad Brach fails to cover first base in time and so 2 runs score. 8-4. Mets season is over again.
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of course, the issue is that they had to have Walker Lockett pitching in a 2 run must win game because they did not acquire any relief help at the deadline, while having the worst reliever ERA in the NL and promising "win now".

this failure of a season is on the front office. They failed miserably. the fixes the mets needed were simple and not expensive and they did not take care of business at any given point.

deGrom has had these 2 absolutely incredible seasons in a row. both wasted. think about how many teams would kill to have him pitch their playoff game opener (like, all of them)
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the mets are so close to having a really special team, but i have no faith at all that they will do the right things to fix it- because they've been in that state all year and never fixed it. why should they all of a sudden have the capacity to fix it in this offseason?

because they are obviously going to fuck it up by either not fixing the right holes, or fuck it all up by trading Syndergaard or something
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The brewers did just about everything they could do this september to catch the Cards for the division title. Still not enough. Looks like we've got the wild card all but sewn up though.
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https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/1176587811304202240?s=20

Mets are retiring Jerry Koosman's number. And it looks like there will be more to follow in the future. So that's a bit of good news at least.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/1176587811304202240?s=20

Mets are retiring Jerry Koosman's number. And it looks like there will be more to follow in the future. So that's a bit of good news at least.

Pretty crazy that Keith Hernandez's number isn't retired

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I guess, but Wright's should've been retired by now (koosman should've been retired about 30 years ago). And also this is clearly done now as a distraction to try to divert attention away from the abject failure of the front office to capitalize on this season with the immenese talent gifted to them. Like Wilpon spoke about shit and this is the only thing he fucking talked about. He didn't say anything about the current season or "we will spend more next year" or anything like that. Just more fucking hiding. It's a joke. Their motives are so blatant (and as it is, when he said his thing, he said he only did this because the Hall of Fame told them to do it).
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They've also neglected Keith and Gary Carter, both of whom should've been retired by now too.

But this is just purposely timed distraction to get you to stop thinking about how historically badly the FO fucked this year up.
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Mets stave off elimination with another Shrimp (see now y'all know what that means!) this time from Nimmo!

He did get his shirt taken gently off, but had an undershirt underneath.
And yes, he still ran to first.

Mets still alive. Elimination # is 1, since milwaukee won. Win out, lose out.
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Also this. The Mets should've been a playoff team. There was so much talent here. But they were not given the help they needed.
Fits perfectly into Jeff flouting the Koosman # retirement decision

https://nypost.com/2019/09/24/mets-wasting-this-year-away-is-an-all-time-botch/
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Sorry everyone, the brewers kind of threw a wrench into what was looking to be an exciting NL wild card finish.

As a brewer fan though, I couldn't be happier. Second year in a row that we went on a crazy streak in September to secure a playoff spot. And the division title is still possible.

On paper, a lot of these other teams look better than the brewers. I think that's a huge credit to manager Craig Counsel and our GM. It is so refreshing to have a good manager leading this ballclub.

Go Brewers!
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congrats, good luck to y'all.

The Mets 2019 is going down as one of the most wasted MLB seasons of all time, given what happened to them. they got so lucky with stuff like their rookies performing, and not really having any major injuries, all their starters being effective, all the young talent producing, having a Cy Young and a Rookie of the year (or very close to, if not) who hit 50+, all that and they cant make the playoffs, thats an all-time fuck up

So many things went right and not many went wrong as far as the pieces that were here. It boils down to a failure to address the obvious needs that were left that were never met, even when presented multiple opportunities.
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I cant wait to see Uecker celebrating with the team again.

When Yelich got hurt I didnt think they stood a chance. Winning 17 of 19 is just ridiculous
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Cy Young, ROY, 50+ HR, 5 20+ HR guys, and someone vying for batting title all year long. and the FO doesnt even TRY to address the obvious bullpen issues.
those things should be a fuckin easy slam dunk playoff team.
thats why im saying, this was an MLB all-time Front Office fuck up.

During the season they knew, but instead of trading for someone or signing Keuchel or Kimbrel early (ignoring Kimbrel's issues cuz let's face it, with a real ST or signed earlier and he doesn't have these issues) they chose to go through the AAA express and bring up and call down the same 7 guys, all of whom were garbage and kept not working.

This also might not have been an issue if when they traded away Familia, Reed, etc on expiring contracts in the lost seasons if they tried to get actual possible prospects back instead of PAYROLL FLEXIBILITY.

Fuck the wilpons so much.
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Excellent article the other day:

https://nypost.com/2019/09/22/mets-must-adopt-playoffs-or-bust-mentality-for-2020/

The keynote:

Think of it. The Mets rotation stayed healthy the entire season and yet, barring a miracle, the team will not even break down the wild-card door. Jacob deGrom, Zack Wheeler, Noah Syndergaard, Steven Matz and the tandem of Jason Vargas and Marcus Stroman have been there every five days to make their starts.

That alone should have been a recipe of success to make the playoffs.

Tack on Pete Alonsos Amazin rookie season and you should have really had something going. With his first-inning double, Alonso became the first rookie in major league history to post a 30-50 season 30 doubles and 50 home runs.

Add Jeff McNeils huge season as well and that should have been the offensive nucleus to a playoff season.

Because of the Mets strong second half, there are some who believe they are moving toward greater accomplishments in 2020. It is that kind of thinking that enables the Wilpons to get away with not making the extra effort in the winter to build a team that is basically guaranteed the postseason, kind of what the Yankees did this past winter with the major parts they added.

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For me it would mean a lot to finish strong and keep pushing, Alonso said. I like to do everything 100 percent. Id like to end the year how Ive been all throughout [the year]. I dont want to have a sour taste in my mouth, knowing that I could do more and keep grinding it out every single day and keep doing what I can.
That must be the Mets mindset from Day 1 in the future 100 percent.

Maybe that team-wide approach would have kept the Mets from their 40-50 record at the All-Star break. Since then, they have gone 41-24, guaranteeing them only their third non-losing season in the past 11 years.

The overriding feeling of this season will be that this Mets team should have done more and should have found its way into at the least the NL wild-card game.

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I was looking over the Mets standings just now. I saw no glaring weak point in the numbers. Just seemed to have not been able to win enough games overall. One of those seasons where if maybe 5 or 6 of your dumbest losses turned to wins, you might have had enough. They do look primed for the 2020 season, so I guess that's something to look forward to. But I can see why you feel a bit jaded as they definitely could've made it this year.
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They didn't finish building the team last offseason. They didn't address the issues at all anytime before the deadline. They just crossed the fingers and hoped for the best. The good luck they had was some of the best they ever had re: injuries especially to the rotation and offensive performance / rookies. They're not going to have that same good luck next year.

They're basically going to be in the same spot as last year except they need to add a SP and an OF and a good reliever at bare minimum, but bare minimum isn't enough. And the payroll starts off higher than it is now before they make a single move (the departing players salaries total is smaller than next year's existing player salary increases).

They are not "primed for 2020". They still will have the exact same issues plus more going into the offseason with less room to spend to do so. There is nothing to look forward to next season or ever as long as Jeff Wilpon is still running things. They are not going to make the right moves because they never have. They've had some of the greatest individual player performances in franchise history this year and the best they will win 85 games from that.

Also no they really aren't even that good on the whole. They were bad vs good teams and beat up on the bad teams. There is a ton of work to be done. They need depth for when injuries happen next year. They didn't sign any depth this year and got super lucky they didn't need it. The defense was awful. They need to sign players so they can stop playing half the team out of position. The relievers obviously are an issue. They need much more relief depth. They need to replace Wheeler. They need to not swap Syndergaard for a worse younger or cheaper pitcher, as it seems like they are going to do based on their actions with him the last month. They need to STOP aiming for mediocrity, for the bare minimum. They need to be SMART and when they do decide to spend money, not overpay for Todd Frazier and Jed Lowrie and Robinson Cano's contractstravaganza when you already have McNeil and other infielders.
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guffguy89 posted...

One of those seasons where if maybe 5 or 6 of your dumbest losses turned to wins, you might have had enough.

Every single one of the horrible losses were all deserved and self-inflicted because the bullpen was not properly suited to deal with those games. And there were a fuckton of them. This is not bad luck. This was by design. Diaz and Familia being awful was unfortunate but the fact they not once took action, all season long, once you know they are not helpful bullpen pieces is 100% the FO front and is the far front #1 reason they did not make the playoffs this season.

Even though it's true instead of saying "If the bullpen performed at league average or Diaz/Familia were themselves they'd make the playoffs" , you should be saying "If Brodie and Jeff gave the team some extra bullpen help once there was obvious there was an issue in like May, they'd be a slam dunk playoff team". Instead they just rotated 3-4 bullpen slots with 6-7 guys from AAA, all of whom were awful literally all season long.
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Brewers win again! 7 in a row, 18-2 in their last 20 games.

I would so love to steal the division from the Cardinals like we did to the Cubs last year. Especially since the media last week seemed to have already decided that the Cardinals are winning the division. Personally, our road in the playoffs will be a lot better if we can win the division. Maybe we'll force a game 163 for the second straight year!

Two Septembers in a row where we just went on a tear. No wonder #Craigtember is trending on Twitter.
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If the Yankees get eliminated, I'll be pulling for the Brewers. Just like last year. Admittedly I would also like to see the Dodgers lose their third World Series in a row. But the Brewers winning the NL Pennant would be much more special.
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Wiggs, I think part of it is bad timing. The NL East is full of really good teams this year. In several other seasons, their effort probably would've been enough. Also, don't forget that the Brewers hot streak spoiled what would have been a tight wild card finish that the Mets would've been right there in. In fact, the Mets are currently 3rd in the wild card standings. So if a couple of external factors would've been different, your Mets may have been seeing October baseball this season. So I wouldn't blame it all solely on organizational shortcomings.
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Dodgers > Yankees > Nationals > Rays > Astros > Brewers > Twins > A's > Braves > Cardinals

Man that is a playoffs full of teams I dislike.
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guffguy89 posted...

Wiggs, I think part of it is bad timing. The NL East is full of really good teams this year. In several other seasons, their effort probably would've been enough. Also, don't forget that the Brewers hot streak spoiled what would have been a tight wild card finish that the Mets would've been right there in. In fact, the Mets are currently 3rd in the wild card standings. So if a couple of external factors would've been different, your Mets may have been seeing October baseball this season. So I wouldn't blame it all solely on organizational shortcomings.

The Phillies and Nats both significantly underperformed this year. Neither one of them had a good year. The Nats got lucky down the stretch, the Phillies never put it all together. The Braves are good, but not THAT good. They just ran all over the division. It was a very winnable division. You are forgetting the Mets had nearly everything, like 15 different things, go right for them and like 2 things go wrong, and the best they could do with that was ~85 wins and ~5 games out of the playoffs. There is likely going to be a lot of regression next year in performance and health. In the meantime, they've already sacrificed all their valuable prospects.

If this is the Mets can do given the immense good luck they had this year, and its unlikely they will get that amount of luck again , AND they won't spend, and we know they won't be starting now. This is organizational disaster. I don't understand how you can claim otherwise.
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Oh, I'm not denying the organizational disaster there. I mean, I don't really follow the Mets outside of what you post here, so I trust you know a lot more about the state of the organization than I do. I was just trying to point out that the brewers were only 2 games over .500 at the beginning of september. If they did not go on that run this month, and all else was more or less equal, then your team would be in the wild card and have a great chance of getting into the playoffs. So...I guess I was trying to give you a different perspective, and also it was my way for trying to say sorry that the Brewers took your team's spot.
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If the Mets are truly serious about being "all-in" they should sign Cole, Rendon, and Ozuna, assume Cespedes isn't coming back (and if he is, that he's not the same ever again), and acquire a ton of middling relievers (overspending on relievers is stupid) and hope like 2 of them work out- maybe one "good" one if you're not paying out the nose for it like they did for Familia. I'd consider trading Ramos also for a better defensive catcher, they can probably get good value for him.

C Ramos (just assuming for now)
1B Alonso
2B McNeil
3B Rendon
SS Rosario
LF Ozuna
CF Nimmo
RF Conforto

if Cespedes is back healthy, awesome.

except this all can't happen because of Cano and his awful fucking contract they took on because they wanted to "make a big splash" without caring about impact.
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guffguy89 posted...

Oh, I'm not denying the organizational disaster there. I mean, I don't really follow the Mets outside of what you post here, so I trust you know a lot more about the state of the organization than I do. I was just trying to point out that the brewers were only 2 games over .500 at the beginning of september. If they did not go on that run this month, and all else was more or less equal, then your team would be in the wild card and have a great chance of getting into the playoffs. So...I guess I was trying to give you a different perspective, and also it was my way for trying to say sorry that the Brewers took your team's spot.

i mean if you're looking at a purely mathematical perspective sure. but it's not that simple. not when the organization is run the way it is. There is a reason things didn't shake out for the Mets. It was in their control. They were complicit to stand back and watch the bullpen implode and not do anything about it. That's the simplest and shortest explanation for why they failed. You have to assume some players are not going to perform to snuff and the good/playoff/smart teams have plans for when that happens. The Mets do not (nor do they ever).
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The last couple of innings in this meaningless Rangers-Red Sox game was hilarious and has made a lot of beat writers and announcers on both sides mad

Mike Minor needed 9 strikeouts to get to 200 for the season. Came back out for the 8th with 110+ pitches needing 1 more strikeout. Sox swing and get 3 outs on 3 pitches

Comes back out for the ninth, 2nd batter hits a easy foul pop up that we purposefully let drop, get a very generous strike 3 call and exits the game to a lot of happy Rangers in the dugout.

This will be fun to listen to everyone whine for a day like this matters in any shape or form
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Number 1 pick! We did it!
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Dr_Football posted...

The last couple of innings in this meaningless Rangers-Red Sox game was hilarious and has made a lot of beat writers and announcers on both sides mad

Mike Minor needed 9 strikeouts to get to 200 for the season. Came back out for the 8th with 110+ pitches needing 1 more strikeout. Sox swing and get 3 outs on 3 pitches

Comes back out for the ninth, 2nd batter hits a easy foul pop up that we purposefully let drop, get a very generous strike 3 call and exits the game to a lot of happy Rangers in the dugout.

This will be fun to listen to everyone whine for a day like this matters in any shape or form

it's nice when other teams are nice when it doesn't matter, like when Bartolo gave Dee Gordon a nice fat pitch to hit.

unlike the Marlins last year who decided to pitch around David Wright in his final game as a Met :|

The Mets are batting alonso 2nd the rest of the season to get him more ABs to hit more homers, since nothing else matters now

edit: nevermind, ignore, i'm dumb. i for some reason forgot the rules of baseball for a second
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Thank god baseball is over in 4 posts
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3 more posts until I transform into a troll

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So the Cubs ended up collapsing so badly in September that it is going to end up ruining the Brewers chances to win the division.

Cause the Cubs are playing their B team vs the Cards for the last 3 games of the season.

But given how last season ended I'm not feeling real sad about making the Brewers play in the wildcard game.

Sorry @guffguy89
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I saw that article about them starting their B team. I was looking around online and it seems a lot of Cubs fans have no problem sticking it to the brewers here, which I get on the surface. I just honestly thought Cubs fans hated Cardinals more. Like, wouldn't you rather want to get revenge on the Cardinals by kicking them to the wild card game? Or is the sting of last years game 163 still so fresh? I dont mind the Cubs playing bench players, it makes sense, but I'll monitor their effort this series.
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SF Giants 2020

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