Board 8 > Gauntlet Crew Ranks Sci Fi Films I-2

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Are you guys really gonna crown the winner of this project Look Who's Terminating Too: Rise of the Silver Surfer

it was such a strong list.. oh well
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Aww almost had my top two as the top two. My 1 and 5 as the top two is pretty cool though. Either would be a great winner.

I actually thought Matrix > BTTF was gonna be the final here. Nice to see my expectations subverted a bit.
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Oof T2 is way too high.
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Nah T2 is the best of these movies, aside from maybe Aliens.
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T2 is definitely too high.
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Matrix would be better if told from the opposite perspective

hard to side with Neo when Cypher was the true hero of the story
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ya go my Live. Die. Repeat
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I used to fall into the side of Matrix being slightly overrated, but I think that's more immediately after its release. Nowadays it isn't really seen as some deeply profound thing and I feel ironically it has more people chastising it for not being that and it has mostly balanced out to being treated fairly.

Like as a hard hitting action action movie with a just good enough plot to keep you invested and some pretty cool world building it's awesome. As long as you're not trying to claim it's a lot more than that, then I don't feel you're really overrating it. NeoxTrinity does suck but whatever-- it doesn't take as much screentime as it could take.

Nowadays I think more than Matrix being overrated I think I'm more in the camp of Reloaded being underrated, cause I mean, taking away the novelty of the world Matrix 1 built the plot isn't really a lot less coherent or anything, and I like the fight scenes and philosophy promos better there. Glad a lot of the write-ups gave it a shout out.
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ya go my Live. Die. Repeat.
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Live. Die. Repeat. is only a slightly less stupid title than All You Need Is Kill.

I don't know what was wrong with 'Edge of Tomorrow' its like the perfect name for the movie
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PrinceKaro posted...

Live. Die. Repeat. is only a slightly less stupid title than All You Need Is Kill.

I don't know what was wrong with 'Edge of Tomorrow' its like the perfect name for the movie

Those two are so bad it's good so I enjoy using them whenever possible.
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John Conner. Terminator. Repeat.
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#2 - Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)
Charon - 1
Stifled - 1
Genny - 3
KBM - 4
Wickle - 8
Scarlet - 11
Snake - 14
Johnbobb - 15
JONA - 18
Inviso - 19
Karo - 25
Total: 119

" A perfect blend of action and drama, everything that was right about the first film was kept and improved upon. Arnold playing a hero rather than the villain feels more natural, and ultimately the T-1000 feels like a far more imposing threat. Robert Patrick's performance is just so great here, his face is just perfect for the role. All of the characters here are so well planned out and their backstories and attitudes toward one another are believable and masterfully portrayed. The relationship between Conner and the Terminator is touching and to see them interact is such a joy. There's a lot of good chemistry amongst the cast here. I love the music score as well; very memorable." ~charon

"When I think of sci-fi movies, this is the one that comes to mind first. The concept of feeling stuck in an infinite loop of time traveling murderers, yet still finding a way to a future without them is empowering. It makes anything else feel possible by comparison. Time travel can be done very poorly in movies, making the plot confusing and frustrating to follow. Terminator 2 perfects the art and makes it absolutely essential to the experience. The action is outstanding. Ahnold (purposeful typo) is strangely amazing as a robot death machine. The swerve of Ahnold being the protector instead of the assassin was beautifully done, creating tension even to the exact minute of the reveal. Sarah is a perfect quasi-antagonist to John and Ahnold in the vein of being a protector, but also being stubborn and not a team player. Normally the family arguing side plots of movies get tiresome fast, but it makes sense and works perfectly here.

Quite simply, I love everything about this movie. Every single thing. Its one of my favorite movies of all time. It is my favorite sci-fi movie. And it is #1 by a landslide for this list.

Traviss Opinion: LOL I cant let him watch this one just yet. The violence is a bit much for him and I would rather not hear him tell me to chill out, dickwad." ~Stifled

"Man there's a lot of Ahnold on this list, but Judgment Day is easily my favorite role of his. T-1000 is a fantastic nemesis to the already intimidating T-800. I did enjoy the role reversal to keep things fresh, and the dynamic between young John Connor and his surrogate father is touching even if the line about knowing why humans cry is super cheesy. I find it incredible that the graphics still hold up to this day so at the time they must've went all out on the cutting edge. " ~Genny

"It's hard for me to say what I think James Cameron's best film is, but when pressed, I have to say Terminator 2. It's just one of those movies that accomplishes, to spectacular effect, every single thing that it tries to accomplish. The badass moments and action scenes are more badass and action-y than those in the original. The characters have more depth here. Arnold gets to surprise everyone in 1991 and play the good guy, as we get an even more iconic villain in the T-1000, portrayed brilliantly by a combination of just the right actor in Robert Patrick, and groundbreaking special effects that genuinely still look great today. The best of the Terminator series, and one of the best and most enduring sci-fi movies of the '90s." ~KBM
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"Much better than the first one, less rampant yelling, technology was more capable to handle trying to give much more to the Terminators, and having T-800 as the lead was a lot better. Granted, story was annoyingly reversed from the first movie. First movie had the concept of stopping the future from changing, this one turned into changing it while also uh not changing it. Not letting John die, but also destroying SkyNet. It was kind of dumb due to that. Mostly enjoyable though." ~Wickle

"What It Is: Silver Surfer strikes at the young Bruce Wayne in the hopes that he can never grow up and star in a superior DC film.

Why It Matters: T2 was a monster success in the early 90s and has been lauded as one of the best science fiction films of the 20th century.

What I Think: It's a damn good movie. It would have made Top 5 if James Cameron could figure out what children were actually like. I was a kid. I never met kids like John Connor, and I had friends who lived in South Dallas." ~scarlet

"With superior action and superior character moments to the original, T2 makes the best use of Arnold possible here but its the metallica T-1000 that really steals the show here. " ~Snake

"I don't know why I put off watching this as long as I did. I always heard it was one of the best action movies of all-time, but 80s/90s action never really appealed to me too much. I was wrong. Terminator 2 takes everything the first one did right, and then does it better and does it more. We still get the viciousness of Arnie's Terminator but with an even MORE vicious villain, maintaining the "how the fuck do we stop this guy" tension of the original Terminator while adding in a bit of moral ambiguity, a lot of liquid nitrogen and transforming Sarah Connor into one of the most badass women in all of film. " ~Johnbobb

"Great action with great characters, who all have their shining moments. Arnold Schwarzenegger works very well with the face turn. The T-800 has a lot of nice, sweet moments with young John Connor. Sarah Connor is awesome and I really liked the direction her character took from the first movie. Great stuff, all around." ~JONA

"If Im being honest, from a storytelling perspective, Terminator 2 is probably superior to the original film. It takes everything in the original and makes it BIGGER, while simultaneously adding a little bit more to the plot beyond just the good guys run away from the Terminator that we saw in Terminator 1. I mean, theres a sizable chunk of this movie that the Terminator doesnt even appear in, because the story becomes more about Sarah coping with the return of her son, and the subsequent attempts to change the future by destroying Cyberdyne. This is a STARK contrast in complexity, and I appreciate it, because it adds something to the mix while still allowing for the Terminators mission to be a recurring problem for the protagonists.

THE major problem I have with T2 though, and the reason it ultimately gets bumped down so low, especially in comparison to T1, is Edward Furlong. I cannot stand this motherfucker. I already dislike children in both fictional media and real life, but there are times when Im able to at least TOLERATE them (eg. Newt in Aliens, since thats a one-to-one example). Yet Edward Furlongs role and casting completely fucks up the tone of the film. He feels like he was cast to appeal specifically to the rebellious teens of the late 80s/early 90s, and to spout catch phrases and make the film more marketable. And hes just annoying about it. Hes a brat, he shrieks like a banshee, and hes so heavy-handed in his moral superiority that it hurts the film. Its still great IN SPITE of him, but T2 couldve been SO much better than it is." ~Inviso
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"In this sequel, we find out that the machines conveniently sent another killer robot back in time to kill the Conners (and Future John also sends a reprogrammed terminator back to protect his kid self), this time to the 1990s. The world somehow hasn't ended yet despite armageddon being 'a few years off' in the first movie.
All the robots are supposedly sent back from the same point of time in the future, which means right in this exact place we had two robots that both look like Arnold, one of which was apparently completely reprogrammed in the short time they had before they destroyed the time travel facility, and this new model that goes straight from analog robotics to fucking alien nanotechnology or whatever (there is actually even worse bullshit in 2029, but for the sake of sanity lets try to keep the stupidity to just these two movies). If Skynet has this advanced terminator all along why not just send it to the 1980s and y'know, win. Or better yet, send both of them. Or any number of much more logical situations this supposed hyper-intelligent AI should able to think of.
A lot of the plot revolves around the heroes trying to stop the rise of the machines in the present, despite how a success in this endeavor would cause the complete paradoxical collapse of the space-time continuum due to how John's father came back from the post-apocalyptic future to fuck his mom.
Now we must talk about the T-1000, who is neither cool or believable in any way, and is not even very scary. It's just a lame attempt to try and one up the previous movie by making an 'even more dangerous' terminator. The original model was a gritty and terrifying piece of work whose unstoppable presence radiated out of the screen, and he didnt need bad CGI or random shapeshifing to do it.
So what do we get here instead? Arnold is now the toy of an idiot kid who makes him spout lame 90's one-liners for laughs while everyone gets chased around by Oozy McSilversurfer.
Yes, we know that he will 'beh bahck', but considering what we got here (not to mention the movies to follow), he really should have stayed gone." ~Karo
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#1 - Edge of Tomorrow (2014)
Genny - 1
Snake - 2
Inviso - 3
Scarlet - 3
Stifled - 5
Charon - 6
Karo - 7
Johnbobb - 11
JONA - 13
KBM - 23
Wickle - 23
Total: 97

"Edge of Tomorrow is the perfect blend of action, science fiction, and comedy. It just works as a perfect means of entertainment for me. I had very few doubts this would be my #1 coming into this project, and though a couple entries gave it a run for its money nothing could quite measure up to my expectations." ~Genny

"Time loop movies are literally my favorite type of sci-fi. Theres just so much fun in seeing the same scenarios over and over again and seeing how they change and become more elaborate as the film goes on. I think what really makes the film work though are the performances of Cruise and Blunt. At first, its fun seeing Cruise get his inexperienced ass handed to him over and over but eventually Cruise and Blunt form a very compelling relationship thanks to the full metal bitchs prior experience with time loops as well. The strong visuals and alien design also ensures the film lives on memory long after its done." ~Snake

"It feels super casual to rank one of the newest movies up at the top of my list, but cmonI loves me some time travel shenanigans. You all saw me during the anime list, and how I ranked Girl Who Leapt Through Time in the three spot (whichthis movie is one Ex Machina away from nailing the same positionwell see.) Time travel tends to be fun in movies, because theres so much you can do with it. But when you take time travel and you add a Groundhog Day twist of reliving the same day over and over again, it just makes the film THAT much more enjoyable to watch. I appreciate that the writers built Tom Cruise up as a total douche at the start of the movie, because watching him get his ass handed to him during the first half was pretty awesome. It also made his turn into a total badass THAT much more enjoyable. I just loved watching all the different scenarios. Cage runs the gauntlet on the beach; Cage trains with Rita; Cage and Rita go on a road trip; Cage and Rita try chatting up the general; Cage and Rita attack the Louvre with their ragtag squad. Its just a really fun movie all around, and its right up my alley." ~Inviso

"What It Is: A man dies after experiencing the worst day of his life, but then he loops back in time where he dies after experiencing the worst day of his life, but then he loops back in time where he dies after experiencing the worst day of his life, but then he loops back in time where he dies after experiencing the worst day of his life, but then he loops back in time where dies after experiencing the worst day of his life, but then he loops back in time where he dies after experiencing the worst day of his life, but then he loops back...

Why It Matters: While it's not entirely original, it was innovative and boasted a narrative that was very well-received critically. Edge of Tomorrow also comes in the midst of Tom Cruise's recent hotstreak of excellent films.
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What I Think: If you remember my Scarlet Gauntlet, you'll know that the Full Metal Bitch stands in the elite company of characters I absolutely adore. And that alone would land this movie immediately in the Top 20, but on top of that, there's a phenomenal script here to boot. This movie reminds me a lot of the great television shows where, despite being billed as drama, you are gifted some rapid-fire humor and subtle performances that rely on facial expressions to convey punchlines. Cruise is actually at his all-time best in this film, performing at an elite level here. Too often, we ignore the tightrope that has to be walked in a movie like Edge of Tomorrow, where you have to convey an earnestness in order to sell a premise and then immediately turn around and be up for complete slapstick, then prep your cool and suave attitude for a heist, etc. And, as with Groundhog Day, Edge plays with time in a way that makes the movie delightful and unpredictable. It's great stuff. This is the kind of movie that really demonstrates why I made this list. Science fiction is just delightful sometimes." ~scarlet

"If Bill Paxton wanted to be a hard ass drill sergeant in every movie from now on, Id be ok with it. If Mad Eye Moody wanted to be a grouchy general in every movie from now on, Id be ok with it. If Tom Cruise wanted to be a chicken shit turned hero in every movie from now on, Id be ok with it. I am so ok with this movie. It takes the overused Groundhog Day gimmick and actually makes it a ton of fun. Every repetition was actually fun during the first half. The skill increase and emotional fatigue you see from Tom Cruise because of all the repetition was actually rewarding to me as the viewer. I felt more invested in his journey because I saw so much of it. I guess my only minor complaint is I wanted more. Maybe a bit more side stuff with the squad members? Just a small nitpick really. It was great otherwise.

Traviss Opinion: He asked me why angry lady didnt disconnect the trailer. He also decided to wear his car carrying case as a hat and dance. " ~Stifled

"Basically this is a hard and brutal Groundhog Day. William Cage is stuck in a time loop, well, kinda. He's not so much stuck as he is in it to figure a way to defeat the alien invaders that are ravaging him and his team each day. Much like Groundhog Day, there are bits of comedy-death here and there to catch a laugh from you. Despite the fact she can't remember each day, Vrataski and Cage's relationship bonding still feels like a progressing relationship as the days go by. I wish this film did a little better; it had such a massive budget and they went all out with the special effects and battle suits. It's a really fun ride and Cruise gives his usual kind of likable performance. That said, I know it's still getting a sequel so there must be some sort of demand for it still, which makes me happy." ~Charon

"A solder fighting an alien invasion gains the ability to go back in time whenever he gets killed, reliving the same day over and over again in an attempt to find the one path that leads to victory.
Now that he is filled with DETERMINATION, Cage sets out to gain enough experience points to reach level 36 and evolve into Caguerrilla.
Despite the focus on a character reliving the same day over and over again, it never feels repetitive. The protagonist is always moving forward towards his goal, and despite having such a broken ability things are never too easy for him.
It is a great movie that while being mainly an action film still finds time for little pockets of humor here and there and is quite a fun watch." ~Karo
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"Never been a big Tom Cruise fan, but Edge of Tomorrow is the big, shiny exception. It helps that I AM a big Emily Blunt fan, whose Rita Vrataski instantly became one of my all-time favorite female action heroes. She's equal parts snarky and badass and really just a blast to watch, while Tom Cruise acceptably fills the "douchebag whose circumstances eventually make him not garbage anymore" role. What really makes Edge of Tomorrow stand out is the way it handles its short-term time travel to manipulate not only the plot, but the viewer's perception of the plot. When watching, we quickly grasp the idea that the day is restarting each time Tom Cruise dies, but we are rarely given the truth about when or how often it's happening. This is the precise skill in writing and directing required to make this film work, and they nailed it. " ~Johnbobb

"I love Groundhog Day. My mother was Groundhog Day. I found it quite entertaining how Tom Cruises character is different compared to other action movies hes been in. Its funny how much of a coward he is even with the power that he has. Hes got great chemistry with Emily Blunts character and the actions solid. This ranks here because I love Groundhog Day. My mother was Groundhog Day." ~JONA [Editor's Note: This was my favorite write-up of the entire list.]

"Ah, Edge of Tomorrow, AKA Live Die Repeat, AKA All You Need Is Kill. Usually when a movie has as many alternate titles as this does, it's from the '70s and it's either a weird foreign film or a porno (or both). Now, I tried to effectively counterbalance my ranking with the fact that I have a soft spot for Tom Cruise action movies. Personal bias aside, though, this is a really fun, engaging sci-fi blockbuster in its own right. Cruise is a lot of fun in this as he plays against type and lets one of my biggest celebrity crushes, Emily Blunt, do most of the heavy lifting. This is directed and edited with a manic energy that just makes it really fun and exciting to watch. It's a real shame this bombed with audiences, because it was one of Tom Cruise's best of recent years. This one could definitely find itself with a dedicated cult following some years down the line. Add in supporting turns from Brendan Gleeson and Bill Paxton, and I'm really wishing I'd ranked this a bit higher, but this order has already been finalized and I'll live." ~KBM

"I do not know how many people agree with me, but to me the source material is massively better. I also like Re:Zero a bit more, as the protagonist in that setting gives off a lot more personality and does not fall for the girl that shoots him in the head like 50+ times. All You Need is Kill just has a much more interactive protagonist, who steadily gets a lot better as the movie goes on. The movie lacks real feeling, since with the reset the only person feeling anything is him, and it even just resets at the very end for no real forsakable reason." ~Wickle
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The Outlander Game Part XXXIX: Rank. Cry. Repeat in 3 Months.
Wickle - 430
JONA - 415
Inviso - 362
Stifled - 360
KBM - 331
Snake - 328
Karo - 309
Scarlet - 302
Genny - 286
Johnbobb - 280
Charon - 262

It was never in doubt, but Mr. MPAA was able to top the list in the end. Good work!

See you in the rom coms.
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I... I won one of these lists what!? Well I suppose there's a first time for everything. I'd like to thank the Academy and all the little Outlanders out there.
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I mean, you don't win a list. It's not a competition. Unless you actually made Edge of Tomorrow.
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who cares about Genny "winning"

who won the gift card
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JONALEON1 posted...

who won the gift card

it wasnt me
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LOL did I really type in Metallica in my Terminator 2 write-up?
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Also I'm pretty damn happy that EoT won, I was not expecting that.
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JONA won the gift card with only 54 points of difference in the guessing, and it wasn't even close. I gave up tallying everyone else once they hit 55, and no one even made past 13 movies before doing that. So congrats JONA! Trying to guess everyone's movies ended up paying off.

You win a gift card of $20 or $25 to your choice of Best Buy, Barnes and Noble, Starbucks, or Olive Garden! You can DM me on Discord your choice and your address.
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Thank God Edward Furlongs terrible acting didnt top the list.
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Espeon posted...

Thank God Edward Furlongs terrible acting didnt top the list.

"Oh c'MON" *squeaky voice
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Aww T2 almost got it. Great final two though.

I enjoyed Furlong's performance because it's exactly what I would expect of someone raised the way he was. Traveling from place to place, trained to have to fight, being stuck in a foster home while his mother is in an asylum, of COURSE it made him a problem child. He's not going to be the pinnacle of badassery. He's a vulnerable child that is trapped in a world where he's expected to be the savior of humanity. He's gone through periods of his life with no real stable support system. I don't think his performance was whiny or annoying at all. It was honestly a good representation of how a kid like his character would act.
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EoT is literally hollywood storytelling. Everything has to work out perfectly to make the greatest good ending. Retcon everyone dying, but end the war. It's why its source material has 100x better of an ending, and why this movie would rank below even Terminator post-"hey I'll grow up about boobs showing since I'm wrong about the sex scene and who wants to re-shoot a scene 50 times over just to avoid a nipple appearing."

I feel anyone that can appreciate this movie's ending needs to see just how much better the original just... pulls real emotion out of its cast.
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Edge of Tomorrow and T2 are both great movies, but still a tiny bit sad seeing none of my top 10 make the top 3

Overall the vast majority of the list was excellent, with very few duds imo

and damn you charon for taking my least-outlander spot
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Right top 2 imo. Unsure on the order. EoT has higher highs and lower lows for me. Right now I'm thinking I prefer EoT but who knows how I'll feel after it's been out over 25 years like T2. Do agree shrilly kid John Connor can be a bit annoying at times, but I think he worked well enough for his role. As far as child actors go he was much better than the chaff normally seen from that era.

I actually kinda disliked EoT's ending but that's my only real problem with it.
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gotta say as good as Edge of Tomorrow is I never would've expected it to come anywhere near the top spot

I mean I like it a lot but it strikes me as just a really good modern action sci-fi as opposed to an instant classic that I expected to see at the top. Just something about it lacks that "standout" quality.
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Glad to see Edge of Tomorrow win it, and Moon in the top five. I'm with Lopen on the ending of Edge being a bit too pat, but it actually works pretty well. The alien invasion was only so fast and so successful because the hivemind could replay scenarios over and over and over again and go with the best strategy to take down their opponents. The destruction of the queen in that suicidal gambit pretty much spelled the end for the opponents. It remove their timeloop strategy where, like Cage's many many many deaths, they presumably just did things until they died but were told what to do better the next millions of times, and now they just go out and die because they're drones with no direction. Not only that, but given its a hive society, their queen is their brain, their general, and their everything AFAIK. Who knows when the last time they had an individual self or thought or ability to think or to do without being given explicit instructions? Subtracting their queen, their strategy, the massive upward and downward shifts in morale on both sides, and with the newfound knowledge from both Blunt and Cruise on the other side, I can see decimation of the aliens with a much much lesser loss of life on the humans' side turning things around extremely quickly.

It makes more sense than Independence Day, that's for certain.
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PrinceKaro: Ruining lists since 2011
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I am really happy to see Edge Of Tomorrow win
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Awesome ending to a great list!
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This list meant a lot to me. Much like the Bond list, science fiction has been a substantive part of my filmwatching experience and holds a lot of personal value to me, so I'm very grateful to everyone for participating, and I hope all of you will join me again when I curate the Spielberg list.
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StifledSilence posted...

Aww T2 almost got it. Great final two though.

I enjoyed Furlong's performance because it's exactly what I would expect of someone raised the way he was. Traveling from place to place, trained to have to fight, being stuck in a foster home while his mother is in an asylum, of COURSE it made him a problem child. He's not going to be the pinnacle of badassery. He's a vulnerable child that is trapped in a world where he's expected to be the savior of humanity. He's gone through periods of his life with no real stable support system. I don't think his performance was whiny or annoying at all. It was honestly a good representation of how a kid like his character would act.

See, for me, I dont care about realism if the reality is that the main character is fucking annoying. Ariel is a realistic depiction of a sheltered teenage girl, but shes still annoying as fuck. Tidus is a realistic depiction of a cocky jock thrust into a fish out of water situation, but hes still annoying as fuck. In general, a piece of media shouldnt make me root for the villain just to kill off the obnoxious lead character.
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I didn't make that post, but for me it's less that realism makes something that annoys the crap out of me okay and more that realism makes an otherwise annoying role inherently less annoying due to it making sense from a storytelling perspective. So I don't mind John Connor much.

But then again I'm pretty sure I just have a lot more tolerance for annoyance than you given Ariel never came off as annoying to me and I don't even really get that.

(And Tidus is actually legit entertaining and always thought the annoying complaints were kinda twisting the tone and context of the character's dialogue and actions, but it goes without saying I never understood that one)
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My problem isn't with Furlong's acting, it is how the writers write him (and many other aspects of the movie) to be 'cool and rad' to the 8 year old boys who probably shouldn't even be watching the film.
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Furlong is what a 10 year old thinks is cool and that's okay because he's a 10 year old who tries to be cool.
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PrinceKaro posted...

My problem isn't with Furlong's acting, it is how the writers write him (and many other aspects of the movie) to be 'cool and rad' to the 8 year old boys who probably shouldn't even be watching the film.

I think I'm with you a little bit and with Vis a little bit. I was a kid. I met kids. There were never kids like this kid. There's a cognitive disconnect with his motivations and his actions. It just doesn't resonate for me. And that's what tanked it out of the Top 10. There's brilliance in how Linda Hamilton's character is portrayed, and it really should have been highlighted more instead of given a backseat to bad Kirk Cameron behavior.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I was a kid. I met kids. There were never kids like this kid

Disagree on this. I've definitely met kids like him. Maybe not quite dialed up to 11 as he was, but he did have a more weird childhood than the ones I've met so yeah. I think it's going to heavily depend on what circles you hang out with as a kid though. As an adult you won't see it as much (still possible, but less easily seen) because a lot of kids like this are punks and will conceal this attitude when an adult that isn't their parents is present.

That being said he absolutely is the weakest part of the film don't get me wrong, and I'm sure you could fine tune the performance/reactions he has to make him better, but I don't think he's like super off the mark. It's plausible that a kid like this could exist to me given his backstory, which is all I need.
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The thing is, I had a really great friend for about year who was forced to move constantly due to his parents' job. He was a humble, quiet, measured kid who absolutely hated his parents for moving but didn't burn down the school because of it.
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I think they shouldve cast an older John Connor, if the Terminator is gonna arbitrarily go back in time to randomly kill an iteration of John before the war. At least with a teenaged John, you avoid a bunch of the tween bullshit that Lopen mentions about kids trying to act cool.
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Espeon posted...

I think they shouldve cast an older John Connor, if the Terminator is gonna arbitrarily go back in time to randomly kill an iteration of John before the war. At least with a teenaged John, you avoid a bunch of the tween bullshit that Lopen mentions about kids trying to act cool.

Okay, but by this logic it should happen once a week starting at birth.

EDIT: That would be a better franchise I think.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Espeon posted...

I think they shouldve cast an older John Connor, if the Terminator is gonna arbitrarily go back in time to randomly kill an iteration of John before the war. At least with a teenaged John, you avoid a bunch of the tween bullshit that Lopen mentions about kids trying to act cool.

Okay, but by this logic it should happen once a week starting at birth.

EDIT: That would be a better franchise I think.

It SHOULD. That Terminator show shouldve been a weekly serial of the Terminator going back in time to different points in John Connors life and trying to kill him. Then Summer Glau triumphs and every week the police come up with a bizarre explanation to handwave the humanoid robot in an explosive crater.
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Espeon posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Espeon posted...

I think they shouldve cast an older John Connor, if the Terminator is gonna arbitrarily go back in time to randomly kill an iteration of John before the war. At least with a teenaged John, you avoid a bunch of the tween bullshit that Lopen mentions about kids trying to act cool.

Okay, but by this logic it should happen once a week starting at birth.

EDIT: That would be a better franchise I think.

It SHOULD. That Terminator show shouldve been a weekly serial of the Terminator going back in time to different points in John Connors life and trying to kill him. Then Summer Glau triumphs and every week the police come up with a bizarre explanation to handwave the humanoid robot in an explosive crater.

That would actually be a good setup for Edge of Tomorrow: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.
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I'm just saying kids at least somewhat like that definitely exist. It's nature and nurture. And on the nurture front also keep in mind Sarah Connor raised very young John Connor to be TOUGH and tried to give him survival training and stuff, then he was only later taken in by cream puff foster parents, so his attitude is going to be pretty warped.
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