Poll of the Day > Super Geek Odyssey

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WhiskeyDisk posted...

So unsurprisingly, everything I'm hearing about the new Transformers movie says it's a 5 alarm dumpster fire from beginning to end that makes no narrative sense and completely shits on all established Transformers canon including Bay's previous films in the franchise.

That could describe any Transformers film! (Except the first because there was no established continuity)
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I'm not paying good money to see this Transformers movie. Oh no, those punks got me the first 3 tumes. Well, the first and third movies are good in a terrible way. This mess just seems like mess.

As for the phantom pain. I don't have a mirror and the pain keeps getting less and less every day. So I'm good.

Unlike that new Transformers movie.
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Zeus posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

So unsurprisingly, everything I'm hearing about the new Transformers movie says it's a 5 alarm dumpster fire from beginning to end that makes no narrative sense and completely shits on all established Transformers canon including Bay's previous films in the franchise.

That could describe any Transformers film! (Except the first because there was no established continuity)

unless you count the entire run of toy commercials disguised as cartoons going all the way back to the 80's.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

unless you count the entire run of toy commercials disguised as cartoons going all the way back to the 80's.

The movies weren't in the same continuity as any of those cartoons.
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People didn't learn their lesson from the first film?

I mean, I consider the first two movies as guilty pleasures, but they were terrible films. I want to say I'm astonished that people expected anything different here, because Michael Bay knows his audience for these films very well. He knows what he's doing, and he's doing it because it's obviously working. Those that don't ... *ahem* get him would do well to just look the other way.

Metalsonic66 posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

unless you count the entire run of toy commercials disguised as cartoons going all the way back to the 80's.

The movies weren't in the same continuity as any of those cartoons.

point being, there were certain basic "Transformerisms" that we'd expect, and a core group of Autobots and Decepticons that were still practically mandatory given the franchise's existence prior to the films.

from everything i've heard about the new one, it doesn't even do that much.
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Raganork posted...

People didn't learn their lesson from the first film?

I mean, I consider the first two movies as guilty pleasures, but they were terrible films. I want to say I'm astonished that people expected anything different here, because Michael Bay knows his audience for these films very well. He knows what he's doing, and he's doing it because it's obviously working. Those that don't ... *ahem* get him would do well to just look the other way.

While I've seen 2 & 3, both of which were garbage, I still love Sentinel Prime's double-cross in 3. Granted, pretty much everything with Sentinel Prime was awesome, partly for Connery's VA-work.
"I will overlook your condescending tone if you heed the gravity of mine."
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Yeah, I enjoyed watching the first film exactly one time and had no interest in watching it more than that even before I saw the saturation of it in toy and costume stores. After that point I sensed only utter crap from the sequels without seeing them, and then I saw the synopses for the second and third entries. I think it's safe to say I will never pay money into that franchise, nor waste my time or sanity with it.


Meanwhile, I am still waiting on a NA release date for Last Recode, because I most certainly will poor money into that. I'm curious if PO will as well.
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Entity13 posted...

Yeah, I enjoyed watching the first film exactly one time and had no interest in watching it more than that even before I saw the saturation of it in toy and costume stores.

Given that Hasbro created the franchise to sell toys (as was the custom at the time... and, well, to some extent, still is), that's not really a saturation issue =p
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Zeus posted...

Entity13 posted...

Yeah, I enjoyed watching the first film exactly one time and had no interest in watching it more than that even before I saw the saturation of it in toy and costume stores.

Given that Hasbro created the franchise to sell toys (as was the custom at the time... and, well, to some extent, still is), that's not really a saturation issue =p

No, I get that about the cartoon being used to sell toys, but I didn't see the merchandise everywhere when I was a kid, and the amount of merchandise I did see wasn't inversely related to how smart the person was that wore the shirts or masks (or carried the figurines around). Since the Bay movies, there's been a ton of that crap everywhere, and moreso around people who I swear permeate stupidity to the point of your brains getting sucked in when you stand anywhere near them. It wasn't surprising, but gods damn, dude...
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Entity13 posted...

but I didn't see the merchandise everywhere when I was a kid,

Can't imagine how you missed it >_>

Entity13 posted...

and the amount of merchandise I did see wasn't inversely related to how smart the person was that wore the shirts or masks (or carried the figurines around). Since the Bay movies, there's been a ton of that crap everywhere, and moreso around people who I swear permeate stupidity to the point of your brains getting sucked in when you stand anywhere near them.

If you're talking children, there's never a real correlation there. If you're talking adults, geeks and nerds are more likely to wear the merch; nerds are obviously smarter than the general population whereas geeks kinda fall within the normal spectrum. That said, I haven't seen that many people wearing Tranformers t-shirts, etc, although I know that the things are being sold.

However, I did see somebody with G1 (ie, original cartoon) Decepticons logo tattoo which was both unusual and kinda neat. Especially unusual because the guy had fairly buff arms and looked something like a biker.

Oh, for a while the bumper stickers really caught on... although the one I bought fell off >_>
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Zeus posted...

However, I did see somebody with G1 (ie, original cartoon) Decepticons logo tattoo which was both unusual and kinda neat. Especially unusual because the guy had fairly buff arms and looked something like a biker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decepticons_(gang)
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Zeus posted...

However, I did see somebody with G1 (ie, original cartoon) Decepticons logo tattoo which was both unusual and kinda neat. Especially unusual because the guy had fairly buff arms and looked something like a biker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decepticons_(gang)

That's too crazy to be real >_> Also I can't recall if he looked old enough to involved in any of that.
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for some reason it de-linkifies the closing parenthesis, but i assure you that they were real.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

for some reason it de-linkifies the closing parenthesis, but i assure you that they were real.

Yeah, I know how these links don't work on Gamefaqs. It's been a running issue for years and something I'd expect that they should have patched ages ago.
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Zeus posted...

Yeah, I know how these links don't work on Gamefaqs. It's been a running issue for years and something I'd expect that they should have patched ages ago.

That implies that they actually give a shit, or are competent enough to do so, and I've never seen evidence of either of those things.


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Zeus posted...

Yeah, I know how these links don't work on Gamefaqs. It's been a running issue for years and something I'd expect that they should have patched ages ago.

That implies that they actually give a shit, or are competent enough to do so, and I've never seen evidence of either of those things.

Well, they did eventually merge the boards ignore list and the PM ignore list so sometimes common sense prevails.
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Finally got around to seeing Wonder Woman, i thought it was pretty good.

also saw the new Transformers movie and as i'd been warned it really is a trash fire. its as if the movie has no idea what it wanted to be. is it an Arthurian tale? is it Disaster Porn? is it the DaVinci code? is it Harry Potter? i could nitpick it to death if i wanted, but its as if they reached into a filing cabinet, grabbed 3 or 4 random scripts from the mid-tier-maybe we might make these someday drawer, then shuffled all of the scripts like playing cards, pulled every 3rd or 4th page out of the stack, and threw it on Bay's desk and said, "here, make this but also make it a Transformers movie too!". i can't tell if this was a glaring misfire of executive meddling combined with focus testing jumbalaya, and i certainly don't understand how anyone watched the final cut and said, "yup! lets go with this!". I'm not even sure if half the Transformers in this one weren't made up on the spot as they went. this is a mess even when compared to other Michael Bay films. this might even be a mess compared to an Uwe Boll film.
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I had a thought and it escaped me. So, we shall talk about how Transformers 5 made no money this weekend. I think franchise fatigue and bad word of mouth have doomed this ongoing mess.

The Chinese seem to love the movies, but the rest of us are probably done. Yet, these idiots over at Paramount want to do a Bumblebee spin off movie, a Cybertron origin movie, and then a 6th Transformers movie.

It won't happen. Well, it could, but it shouldn't.
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My gf and I finished watching American Gods.
Overall pretty good, the CGI is crazily hit or miss (I feel like there were two companies making it at times), there is a few boring episodes that I felt like dragged on too much, but it's a damn fine adaptation for the book and I'm happy to watch the next season.

The Wave Master posted...

I had a thought and it escaped me. So, we shall talk about how Transformers 5 made no money this weekend. I think franchise fatigue and bad word of mouth have doomed this ongoing mess.

Uh, what? Didn't it top the box office, followed by Cars 3 and Wonder Woman?
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Transformers 5 was number one at the box office this weekend, but the 45 million is the lowest opening weekend in the entire franchise, even the first movie, which made 70 million on its opening weekend.

Basically, it's going to have to hope that the international numbers are stellar because domestically it a getting crushed compared with the previous movies.
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Right, keep in mind that a movie has to make three times the budget in order for it to be considered a success by producers or studios. If Transformers 5 doesn't even meet its initial cost, let alone main budget plus promotional funding, then this could mean, at the very least, ill tidings for the franchise's continuation. At most, it could mean the end for the franchise and great tidings for the rest of us.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Finally got around to seeing Wonder Woman, i thought it was pretty good.

I liked that King Einon was Ares, but wished the final battle was a little less anti-climactic.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

also saw the new Transformers movie and as i'd been warned it really is a trash fire. its as if the movie has no idea what it wanted to be.

What the movie wants to be is something with a complete lack of plot, so that it will translate well into Chinese. Everything else you described exists solely to help justify the visuals.

These movies are literally made for the Chinese market at this point. If not for that, the franchise may never have made it past the second movie.



The Wave Master posted...

Transformers 5 was number one at the box office this weekend, but the 45 million is the lowest opening weekend in the entire franchise, even the first movie, which made 70 million on its opening weekend.

Basically, it's going to have to hope that the international numbers are stellar because domestically it a getting crushed compared with the previous movies.

It's already turned a profit via foreign box office, at least versus its production costs (it will probably break even for marketing costs within the week, at which point it will be generating pure profit).

Make no mistake, this movie is going to be the exact success they expected it to be. Domestic numbers for the franchise have been shit for years, to the point where they really don't CARE how well it does in the US (or North America, for that matter).

They stopped making these movies for us years ago.


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It's finally official. The SNES Classic Edition. Which we all knew was coming. It's got 21 pretty damn good games from my childhood. Not every game you would want is on the list, (As Chrono Trigger is missing.) But it's worth the 80 bucks that Nintendo is charging.

Plus this time it comes with 2 controllers.

http://kotaku.com/nintendo-announces-snes-classic-1796418700
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Fuck me, that lineup is nearly flawless. Goddammit, now I need to be like a hawk and diligently monitor every site for preorders to spring up.

I generally don't believing giving something a "0" review, but everything about the new Transformers sounds like a dumpster fire. It somehow involves Merlin and King Arthur, so, yeah. I wonder how fat the paycheck was to get Anthony Hopkins to be involved.

Plus this time it comes with 2 controllers.

That's a quality line-up, and Star Fox 2 finally is cool. I wonder if the controllers will be longer than god damn 3 feet this time, though.
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Entity13 posted...

Right, keep in mind that a movie has to make three times the budget in order for it to be considered a success by producers or studios. If Transformers 5 doesn't even meet its initial cost, let alone main budget plus promotional funding, then this could mean, at the very least, ill tidings for the franchise's continuation. At most, it could mean the end for the franchise and great tidings for the rest of us.

While that's true of normal films, keep in mind that Transformers is also built on merchandising. Your average film's *only* revenue will be box office take so it's more vital it makes a killing. However, if you're selling toys, t-shirts, video games, etc, you have multiple income streams. Same principle as cartoons really, since they largely depend on merchandising to make money which is why a phenomenal cartoon can be canceled when its toy line falters.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

What the movie wants to be is something with a complete lack of plot, so that it will translate well into Chinese. Everything else you described exists solely to help justify the visuals.

Ha! Makes a lot of sense in some ways.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

These movies are literally made for the Chinese market at this point. If not for that, the franchise may never have made it past the second movie.

Which is impressive, given that it's a pretty hard market to crack into given the strict limits the CCP places on foreign films.

Metalsonic66 posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

Finally got around to seeing Wonder Woman, i thought it was pretty good.

I liked that King Einon was Ares, but wished the final battle was a little less anti-climactic.

Oh why did I have to click that spoiler? >_<
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The Wave Master posted...

Plus this time it comes with 2 controllers.

Are the cords longer this time, or will you still have to play less than 3 feet away from your TV?



The Wave Master posted...

But it's worth the 80 bucks that Nintendo is charging.

Is it really? Realistically speaking, you could play most of those games for free using emulators, or buying the ones you want in the Nintendo VC store on whatever console you have (assuming you have one). Likely with better controllers.



Raganork posted...

Fuck me, that lineup is nearly flawless.

Ehh.

I was actually sort of looking forward to the SNES Classic (more so than the NES Classic, anyway), but out of that list of 20 games (plus an unreleased game I have zero nostalgia for, and thus, don't care about in any way), I don't really see THAT much worth caring about.

About the only games I see that I consider worthwhile at all are Final Fantasy III (assuming it's really FFVI and not the actual FFIII from Japan), F-Zero, Link to the Past, Super Mario Kart, and Super Mario World. I could also see Donkey Kong Country (though it never really appealed to me at the time) and Street Fighter II Turbo (though I feel like it might be worthless because the sort of people who loved playing it then probably aren't having tons of friends over to play it now, and I can only assume there's nothing resembling online play - though that's probably also a problem for F-Zero and Mario Kart as well, now that I think of it).

At best, that's only about 25-30% of the games on there. Which really isn't much of a passing grade, let alone enough to justify a $80 price tag (and the hassle you'll probably have to go through to get one even beyond the price). I can't really justify a $10-$15 price tag per worthwhile game when those games are about 25 years old (and can mostly be played on other platforms, ports, or whathaveyou anyway).

I get why a lot of people will go crazy over this, but I feel like there were a lot of other games I would have preferred to see on there instead, which didn't get the nod mainly because Nintendo would have had to negotiate the rights to them from someone else, as opposed to loading it up with mostly first-party titles they keep all the profit from.

It doesn't really interest me anywhere near as much as I kind of hoped it would.


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Well, for me at least, all but maybe six of those games are ones that I've played, beaten, and loved. The rest are ones that I would absolutely want to give a second shot, or play for the first time. There are some exceptions that I'd prefer to be included, of course, but as it stands, at $5 a game, that is cheaper than buying them on the 3DS VC. Value wise, it's a steal.

Other than Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy V, Illusion of Gaia, and Megaman X2 and X3 along with Donkey Kong Country 2 and 3, what games are missing fro the SNES Classic?
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Well, if we're counting this as a nostalgia-inducing device (and, well, it essentially is), it's missing Mortal Kombat II, Mario Paint, Super Mario All Stars, Final Fantasy II (IV), and Castlevania Dracula X. I was also hoping to play Secret of Evermore and Terranigma for the first time.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Is it really? Realistically speaking, you could play most of those games for free using emulators, or buying the ones you want in the Nintendo VC store on whatever console you have (assuming you have one). Likely with better controllers.

Well, we always talk about how much stuff in relatively worth, the value here is astounding. Assuming all $80 goes to just the games (and it doesn't, obviously a big chunk is the buying of the console/controllers), that comes out to a wee under $4/game, a better value than on any VC. Assuming one likes the games offered, it's very cost effective.

For me, I already own like 5-6 games from that lineup between my VC purchases, and while I support the idea in general, I don't really feel a need to get one. If I'm really craving playing any of these retro games of past, I'll just pick and choose which to buy on VC
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I also forgot Super Double Dragon, TMNT IV: Turtles in Time, the 3 Final Fight games; Tecmo Super Bowl, and a lot more I'm forgetting right now.

I will add more in following post, but we definitely need to keep it going and add more classics as we go along.

Saturday night slam masters.
TMNT: Tournament fighters.
Breath of Fire I and II
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The Wave Master posted...

It's finally official. The SNES Classic Edition.

Great... I can't wait for them to discontinue it after two weeks.
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Metalsonic66 posted...

The Wave Master posted...

It's finally official. The SNES Classic Edition.

Great... I can't wait for them to discontinue it after two weeks.

And due to a lack of resources, but the next day release another little thing no one wants that takes up those resources.
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I made a topic about it, but I want to see what my fellow Geeks think.

A thermostat has a switch that can be set to Summer or Winter. You want to make it colder in the room. Which setting do you turn it to?

Note, this isn't supposed to be a trick question, just say which one you'd do, and why.
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Make it colder? I'd set it to Summer

I understand why you'd ask that question; sounds like a poorly-thought-out thermostat. I still use one with a physical dial, and it works just fine.

Kinda like when I tried using a keyless car once, after years of manually cranking the ignition. Or these fridges with thermostats on their digital displays. Or washing machines with digital interfaces instead of dials you have to crank. It just feels too techy for me. I like the old stuff. I'm young, but I'm already getting overwhelmed by this newfangled technology.

So "I open the window" is not the correct answer?
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Opening the window here in AZ is equivalent to cranking the heat up and inviting death to whisk you away. You cannot survive here without ac (or I guess swamp cooler if you're a madman).

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Is it really? Realistically speaking, you could play most of those games for free using emulators, or buying the ones you want in the Nintendo VC store on whatever console you have (assuming you have one). Likely with better controllers.

I seem to recall that not that long ago you railed against piracy >_>

ParanoidObsessive posted...

At best, that's only about 25-30% of the games on there. Which really isn't much of a passing grade, let alone enough to justify a $80 price tag (and the hassle you'll probably have to go through to get one even beyond the price). I can't really justify a $10-$15 price tag per worthwhile game when those games are about 25 years old (and can mostly be played on other platforms, ports, or whathaveyou anyway).

tbh, the hassle is the largest sticking point for me.


CyborgSage00x0 posted...

I made a topic about it, but I want to see what my fellow Geeks think.

A thermostat has a switch that can be set to Summer or Winter. You want to make it colder in the room. Which setting do you turn it to?

Note, this isn't supposed to be a trick question, just say which one you'd do, and why.

Kinda depends on the meter. A summer setting might mean AC or it might be an exaggerated way of suggesting a certain level of consistent heat.
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The cord on the SNES Classic Edition is 5 feet long, which is 2 feet longer than the cord on the NES Classic Edition.

It's not 6 or 7 feet long, but it's better than what they put in the first box. So yay, for slight improvement.

http://m.ign.com/articles/2017/06/26/nintendo-confirms-snes-classic-controller-cord-length-is-longer-than-nes-classics?read
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Zeus posted...

I seem to recall that not that long ago you railed against piracy >_>

"Railed" is a strong word. I probably just said that it's morally and legally wrong (because it is), while still acknowledging that it's a thing I myself have done on any number of occasions across multiple forms of media.

My usual gripe with piracy is people who do it but keep trying to find some sort of moral high ground or logic that justifies their actions as perfectly acceptable and pristine. If you just admit you're a thief and move on with your life, I really don't have a problem with that.

The only reason I don't have a computer filled with "free" games is mainly because I loathe PC gaming.


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I think that's a lot of what I hate about piracy. The sheer arrogance, nerve, and entitlement of the people committing the crime.

Just admit that you're a thief and that you just wanted the game and couldn't afford it, and just wanted the game, or even if you have the money, at least admit you steal because you like it, or because it's easy.

Don't hide behind the notion that, "Well, the last game was balls so I want to test it out first." Or... "Well, if it's good i will just purchase it legally later." Because the latter rarely happens.

At least an honest thief can just be called a thief, but my don't be a hypocrite, a thief, nd s liar. I mean one is bad enough.
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Raganork posted...

Opening the window here in AZ is equivalent to cranking the heat up and inviting death to whisk you away. You cannot survive here without ac (or I guess swamp cooler if you're a madman).

Here in NM, all non-commercial buildings basically use swamp coolers. Air is just too dry here I guess, and it's probably cheaper than A/C *shrugs*

I seem to recall that not that long ago you railed against piracy >_>

It wasn't against piracy per se, rather those you do it and try to claim it's NOT piracy/theft/wrong. I only now this because we have the same views on it. I don't give a good god damn if you pirate, but it comes off as suuupperr childish to pretend it's actually a totally OK thing to do.

Edit: I should read the damn topic first.
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Swamp coolers are definitely cheaper than ac, but they're not as effective. I've experience being in auto shops (my dad's a mechanic) and swamp coolers just aren't as strong as ac for cooling large areas. The reason they're used is because they're cheap. A swamp cooler unit sufficient for an auto shop is like $750 at Lowes.

Trust me, it doesn't get much drier than the Valley of the Sun, yet almost everyone here uses ac. Low air moisture levels don't inhibit ac functionality. If they did, everyone in Phoenix would be Medusa statues.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

It wasn't against piracy per se, rather those you do it and try to claim it's NOT piracy/theft/wrong. I only now this because we have the same views on it. I don't give a good god damn if you pirate, but it comes off as suuupperr childish to pretend it's actually a totally OK thing to do.

Pretty sure we were the only two in that argument saying that it was theft but less bad than physical theft (unless I'm thinking of somebody else). Everybody else seemed to suggest it was as bad as physical theft. But now a can of worms is just being re-opened =p
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File Photo of Raganork opening a window:


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WhiskeyDisk posted...

File Photo of Raganork opening a window:

It's night time already?
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