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Yeah if you just want a 5* then obviously just pentadrawing is the best move every time.

But if you want a specific unit focusing on the color you're going for helps you in more ways than might be obvious to you. Of course you get more draws of the color per orb, but in a more minor aspect that isn't totally negligible, it's also harder for the pity 5* rate to decrease without getting the unit. Generally you'd have a 50% chance of getting the unit you want if the 5* rate resets-- if you get unlucky and draw on a banner that has multiples of the color then the rate gets divided by the number of 5* focuses of the color sucks to be you but sometimes there's no avoiding it like with this one.

(this is why I didn't even attempt to get Jaffar despite not minding having him and thinking his dagger would be cool to inherit, 4 Colorless Focus no thanks. Course now I know you can't even transfer that dagger so don't care nearly as much.)
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i feel as if people that horde, unless your name is Lopen, typically are unsatisfied with their mass pull

Which sucks

Why can't Lopen be pissed off too

Well the one thing I would say helps a lot that I don't think a lot of people do is if you're mass drawing and want a specific unit on the banner then after the first batch of 5 or two exclusively draw from the color you want.

It's unclear whether TRE did it but I know that I've seen other people make posts where they lament not getting a banner 5* and then post all of these other color 5*s they got and I'm like "dude if you focused on the color you were going for you would've had much better odds." Luckily I've been blessed by drawing on banners where the 5* I wanted was the only one of the color.
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Yeah I just feel the need to defend what I'm saying cause I don't really like it being grouped with "that guy is scummy."

That's not to say I'm not saying "that guy is scummy" is necessarily an inferior approach but I do think one is a lot less subjective than the other and an easier sell, and also easier to more directly blame on town because again, it comes down to the evidence not being explored more than something super subjective. I feel pretty justified in blaming town overall more than praising scum with this game. I've seen good scum games-- this was an adequate scum game where town ate itself alive more than anything.

Also eaed was vaguely on my radar for a while for similar reasons but this one I will say I used the more vague "that guy feels town" gut to get rid of him quickly just because he had enough blatantly clown stuff thrown in there that him just having a generally off game made more sense than him being scum. It was more of a contrast with you two.
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That is indeed a good fix and why I made the claim.
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Big Trouble in Little China is manly and American as hell
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His name is also not Lopen!

I think "that's racist" about covers it (though I'll be honest I half expected Brohan to make the joke before Nook did)
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Well it all depends on why a player is called scummy to me.

To me I feel like if there's a general feeling that someone is scummy and it's never addressed, then whatever, they were as townish as they needed to be.

If they do this really scummy thing, a concrete thing directly being suspicious due to attitude regarding a known scum, and the town just doesn't actually press them on it at all, it's more on the town.

Would say puns left a lot more clear routes for town to go after him than pjbasis or igcd did. The town chose not to even really attempt to take those routes so yeah to me it's more on town in that instance.

On the "bad town do that too" angle, just because bad town does it from time to time that doesn't mean that you should just excuse it. Bad town should also be pressured for doing those kind of things. Though I will say I think how often bad town does it is being very overstated. Literally only puns and dowolf had votes that didn't make sense in that very specific way that day. Like yes, you could point at se7en's vote as "bad" and it kinda was, but it was bad in a different way. There was no direct contradiction in his stated suspicions vs whose judgment he trusted, nor did he randomly pick a fight with someone who wasn't a lynch leader about their vote on one of the lynch leaders-- he just... randomly jumped, which nervous town will absolutely do with minutes left in the day.
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With Onion Knoght and curates to back him up I think you should be golden
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I upgraded it to maximum after it was clear I was going to have a lot of moments where I have a large surplus of orbs.

I honestly think that upgrading to +40% or +60% might be smarter though. Kinda depends how the EXP formula works in FE but because of the upper and lower bounding on EXP (max of 1 level and that so many things give you 0-1 EXP) I suspect the EXP bonus isn't quite as good as you think it is unless the way it gets increased is different than the obvious way. But I guess you're getting full effect in the late levels either way, which are the real slog.
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Oh yeah absolutely

My whole point was that town sucks for not even pointing that out. The fact that you made that glaring vote was a problem in your play either way though regardless of whether it was pointed out or not. Maybe you could have argued your way out of it, maybe you couldn't have, but I think that's a strong enough start for a push that you'd be very much on the back foot if anyone had pointed it out. Obviously I'm not saying you should've pre-emptively defended it after the fact as that would draw attention to it needlessly-- maybe not making the vote, timing it differently, or justifying the vote a bit better in the moment could've helped, but after it was done you played as well as you could have regarding that.
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Thanks for the heads up that's 50 free mythril
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I haven't spent any money on this game yet. I've just been frugal with draws. After doing a billion rerolls to start the game I know well the odds of getting any non-focus unit is too low to actually draw for. Unfortunately there have been scant few focus units I've actually wanted with a priority so yeah pretty easy to just accumulate.
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I just logged in and got 87 mythril that was kinda cool.

I'm not going to play but maybe I'll just accrue mythril by logging in daily for a while
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1am EST Friday will henceforth be pic hour.

I'm just posting this here to encourage myself to get on a routine of doing it every once in a while. We'll see if this works.
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Just give me a damn Tharja banner so I can spend my orbs please.
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God why did I come in here I'm suddenly having the urge to turn the game on again.
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Who cares if you were serious it's poor form.
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It's okay man I do kinda exude an arrogant aura with mafia stuff (among other things!) and I didn't really sugar coat how I felt at all so the reaction was kinda understandable. Didn't hold it against you but did want to make it clear that I didn't really have anything against you or whatever.
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Money and Power
Steele/Garea
Sheik/David
Funk/Hansen/Rich
(2/5) BONUS: ME score? 88
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Can't wait for 6* Rydia after seeing the 6* Garnet changes

Summoners might actually be vaguely useful at some point for reasons beyond hitting annoying target conditions. What a glorious day.
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You modkill him and then if he actually ruins the game you'd ideally ban him from playing the game as a community, at worst just ban him from your games.
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Well I'm not saying it's a given. I'm just saying with the trajectory of the game's difficulty curve and character progression, it's likely I can still do it unless the difficulty spike has been way out of line with the previous 6 months.

More likely the case will be "can do the highest difficulty content in realms I overkilled synergy for due to fanboy drawing (II, VII, X), struggle mightily with more scarce realms (I, III, VIII, IX)" Don't think I care enough to test it though!
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Shame. Triple H being associated with the abomination that is Terminator: Genysis would've been too fitting.
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So many repeats on those upcoming banners why not give units that haven't been featured a chance bleh.
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You should consider yourself blessed that you had such a bad game you almost got lynched day 1, because if scum started a soft bus that probably would've become a hard bus with scum frantically jumping off of you to not kill you and cruise control for town.
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I was just going for the general "wacky nonsense that doesn't make any sense in any context" approach but sure why not.
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SmartMuffin posted...

it was so random and out of nowhere and not at all fitting the context of the match

I'd argue it set the context of the match.
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I wanna know who made a pre-game plan to bus the roleblocker that guy deserves the title of worst scum player
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Post quantity is very relevant for perception.

One guy posting eight times as much as another has a voice that's eight times as loud. Very few of the conservatives listed care enough to engage anyone.
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My Gilgamesh could have way more attack than X-Death has magic, yeah. Not currently (would already be close though) but once I actually get the TMs to power him up I may use him as my friend unit for a while just for fun but yeah.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

...yeah, politics discussion on this board is totally "3-5 conservatives/non-liberals arguing with 95% liberals." if anything, the conservatives are in the majority...

And yet if you measure post quantities it's closer to the original figure Ange gave. Hell about half of those names are just there to pad stats and don't actually post in politics topics.
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I mean I can probably still do the current content like I said there isn't much advancement in the game now and hasn't been for a while aside from mythril-- that's not really what I meant by out of the loop. I mean I have a Tidus with an OSB for DPS and I "lucked into" a bunch overpowered support stuff on characters I don't like.

Out of the loop I more mean I'm just sorta disconnected right now.
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It's not so much that 6*s are super worth making (though if the resources weren't so damn rare though you'd use more than Meltdown I'm sure) as much as there's nothing that's worth making that feels like a significant upgrade-- like getting 3* skills was exciting, getting 4* skills and leveling em was exciting, getting 5* skills and leveling em was exciting. Getting 6* was not exciting because you got them at a snail's pace, and getting more 5* skills doesn't really fill that void in to my satisfaction.

And no I haven't played any of the multiplayer. Not sure if I'd really be drawn in there as teaming with randos isn't something I've ever cared for all that much-- I assume there's a way to coordinate with people in here but that's not ideal either since I'm sorta so far out of the loop at this point. I might play the game again someday but there would need to be like... players choice banners that have prime soul breaks I missed. (Tidus Rikku Yuffie)
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Yeah I know well the strategy in the game dude I played this game pretty religiously for the first year and a half of its existence, using pretty gimpy squads to clear a lot of stuff due to being stubborn about using characters I like, so I know skills are king. And like I said the gameplay is still good.

I just don't think the gameplay is quite good enough to carry it when progression halts and the relic system makes it bad at fanservice. Some people like me don't wanna use Vaan just cause his BSB is good. But if you don't you either spend heavily or pass on the highest level content, or bang your head on a boss by spamming reloads since you're using a strategy with a low success rate due to choosing to use weaker characters. None of these options were appealing to me the more advanced the game got, particularly since I refuse to s/l.

The first year or so was a blast. Then I started getting strong relics for characters I wasn't excited for and I started to need to use stupid Tyro to clear things too often so it got to be more of a slog. Once 6* skills got introduced it kinda really went downhill for me though as at that point I had most appealing 5* skills at Rank 3. Acquiring those things is just TOO slow so it doesn't feel like your team gets any better with day to day play.

I'm glad you still get something out of it and I still think the game is good but it's just not for me anymore. As for why I'm here to begin with blame Natwaf for posting a confusing quit message in the Exvius topic out of nowhere. Didn't really mean to pick a fight or anything.
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Malory Archer
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Well first of all for high level content non limit break characters aren't exactly what I'd call viable when compared to the characters you draw em for. You can use em for a challenge, but yeah even WhiteLens said as much. I've used Full Charge + Power Chain Tidus plenty to adequate effect but it was never better than Jecht who I fluked into all the relics for.

More importantly though using characters without cool moves just isn't as fun which is the bigger deal.

As for the new 5* abilities it's not like there's strong power creep there so I don't really call it progression. Options are neat but you don't get much stronger making em.

I still think the game has better gameplay vs Exvius, but yeah the deeper in you go you either gotta be a minimalist who uses whichever character they draw the best relics for, or a whale. Otherwise the draw system just isn't gonna give you a lot of satisfaction on the whole. The game basically alienates the fanservice gamers unless they're willing to shell hard. The people who REALLY like the gameplay should have enough fun gachas to soldier on, but I think there were better models to explore, probably.
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Squirtles are only 2X effective

Rock is what Charizard should really fear.

Maybe Geodude could be SK
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Honestly the biggest issue with the draw system is you gotta hit gold multiple times with any given character you wanna use. Focusing banners would help but wouldn't totally alleviate the situation.

Exvius, you want Orlandu, you luck into drawing him and you got a fully functional Orlandu.

Record Keeper you want Orlandu you gotta get a few relics to start, then you gotta keep doubling down on him every time the next Soul Break gimmick comes out.

All this being said I think the main reason I quit is because non gacha based progression kinda falls off a cliff once you've got rank 3 of the level 5 skills you like, but the relic system is pretty bad.
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well if you ever wanna make the Charizards the heroes of the story I just gave you an ace flavor scheme
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You just wish you could draw a ZXSNSB for Ariana Grande
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Charizard mafia? So like is town a buncha Charizard of various natures genders and shiny states and mafia a buncha Rock Type pokemon?
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i'm just clarifying p5 girl isn't in my vision for this new theme despite being the one i voted for
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it's true she's not

but she has the best design none of em are hot tbqh
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let's do hot redhead mafia instead
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theme is not up to standard
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Casual character loyalists were driven off by the bad banner system yeah that's kinda my point.
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Nah just run em randomly as side attractions imo. Don't need to tie em to events.
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I mean if you drew on a Cloud banner the draw rate for his ZXZZSB would be the same as if you drew on a FFVII banner you'd just get other Cloud relics if you didn't get it instead of Tifa's ZXZZSB I think the game would be just as profitable
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I would rather have some old ass relic for a character I like than Zidane's OSHBSB.

Like I dunno maybe run em as gimmick banners aside from the real ones just to give people options
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The thing that turned me away from this game is they always group up these random assortments of characters and I'd always end up getting the breaks from characters I don't want even though my quantity was fine.

I wish banners were character specific rather than game specific. I'd probably still be playing.
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