Lurker > Lopen

Getting people to actually agree with me is one of my strong suits though. I'm pretty sure I could've destroyed you and dowolf easily if I was actually in the game.

Of course I'd probably have been killed N1 if I was in the game so you know
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

Lopen pls play with us again I need to face good scum to GIT GUD

(or play with good town to learn)

Honestly yeah based on the fact that I managed to get 3/4 of the scum despite having read less than half of the game I may come out of retirement next theme I like. That seems to be sufficient effort to be decent <_<

Probably because a lot of you are reading even less than that.
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So I guess tl;dr

You guys are all really bad for not seeing puns and dowolf as super obvious all game considering how they reacted to the Ulti lynch. Being incredulous about a vote on the guy that isn't Ulti and voting the guy who made the vote INSTEAD OF ULTI blew you guys the whole game.

Also really bad game from red jesus I expect better <_<. Way too concerned about stroking his ego and making BIG PLAYZ rather than actually finding scum.

Good game from pjbasis though. Best scum by far in this game. Best town was probably Corrik, Deadpool, and JC. Unfortunately they couldn't be assed to give much effort but the effort they gave was solid I think.
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Day 4

More like let's see how bad at this game b8 still is mirite.

Scum:

Everyone

Town:

No one

Seriously though still liking my 4 but man the last topic of that day was pitiful. Maybe topic 6 was okay but who could be bothered to read it after that. So many non-votes from town.

It does seem weird for both Oddity and Puns to be scum since they're 'going after one another' but meh it's so half assed.

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SCUM (in order of likelihood which happens to be alphabetical):

3. bng_mmmk (replaced Dark_Spiral)
4. dowolf
8. pjbasis
10. red13n

This is my half assed scumlist which is probably missing parts of obvious evidence with claims and inventions given and whatnot. Swap pjbasis for DEADPOOL if there was ever a satisfactory explanation for that or I'm just misremembering.

And part of me thinks the setup might be 4 scum with all the two death roles and LAVOS.

------ Spiral then informs me that pjbasis always does the miller joke, sabotaging my flawless prediction

Ah okay. Well I did think the guy was pretty townish that aside and if I was in game someone would've explained this gimmick to me so I'm going to not count that against me.

3. bng_mmmk (replaced Dark_Spiral)
4. dowolf
10. red13n
some number between 4-10. profDEADPOOL

Probably only 3 scum but those would be my official halfassed guesses. Feel pretty good about the top two though.

Also I haven't quite written town off yet but yeah I don't think the game is going to be all that interesting from here on in regardless of who wins hence where we are.

---------- Final thought

Just putting this on the record, still think red13n is scum who is bsing these scans-- to the point where I'm actually more confident he's scum than dowolf at this point.

Lynching SK is winning for scum so putting himself on the line for that (scum flavor scanner probably scanned lavos or something) is a very smart scum move. And I still think eaed is not scum-- it's actually a smart play when you think about it. red now has an insurance policy if he ever gets lynched, as town will instantly consider eaed obvscum and lynch eaed, losing the game.

Meanwhile red probably considers eaed someone who will instantly trust him with this and gets a pocket vote from eaed as a result of this gambit.

But maybe I'm just thinking too hard.

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I was giving daily thoughts to VI until late when I got so upset at the se7en lynch that I gave up. I'm going to post them now.

Mid day 1

Having read only topic 4, and only casually, readz:

Scum in order of likelihood:
Tony (pretty safe percentage play-- 6 to 7 scum vs 1 cop and hasn't looked very good)
Eaed (shows up just to say he won't be able to catch up-- throws out some weird votes. says he won't lynch claimed cop to overly justify not voting scumbuddy)
prof (too hard to get momentum on a guy who hasn't done anything)
Ulti (too much thrashing for my tastes-- wouldn't go on prof despite agreeing with corrik to go on prof. also breadcrumb thing was stupid)
IfGodCouldDie (feels fluffy in general)
MI (2 topic old list and can't keep up come on)

Town in random order:
Corrik
Kanzaris
Shad
dowolf
oddity
pjbasis

Kinda wish I'd joined though it looks interesting.

-------------- N1 Reaction

In either case I'm just glad I got the important ones right since I had Kanz as town if I had to guess I'd say Ulti + Tony are scum as the 2/6.

-------------- D2 Early

This is early because I see this day going quick and I honestly don't expect this to change

Scum order:

Ulti
dowolf (if he thought the Se7en vote was bad he should've went to Ulti so close to lynch yesterday not Se7en-- now continuing to target Se7en cause seems easy prey even though I think Se7en is town)
puns (saying to lynch IGCD then following his vote around seems weird. SUPER late unvote and not voting Ulti = trying to make himself look good)
han (topic 5 page 232 is obvscum post imo)
Tony (still not buying this but others looking worse)

Town:

corrik
pjbasis
red13n
Se7en (cause dowolf is trying to eat him and cause I don't think he's good enough at deception to not be super obvious scum)

Only going with 5 scum picks this time. Kinda think it's more likely than 6-- particularly because I think Magus killed himself cause of Schala dying and as miller doctor yeah guessing setup is weak town power + low mafia amount.

Random story if I was playing as town I may have considered claiming Alfador TOWN Cat and saying I'm a vanilla that knows who Magus and Schala is yesterday, having looked back and realized MI claimed Magus. It probably would've been dumb but dammit it would've been hilarious and imo Kanz was obvtown enough to risk it. Man I wish I could've played just to have tried that stupid as hell claim. What can you do.

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Huh Tony was actually town huh. Well I'll be honest I didn't pay enough attention to figure out if him getting the lynch train was remotely justified and was mostly going off the claim feeling too convenient. Han is kinda surprising too-- but hey these guys aren't people I'd pressure in game until the higher up ones were lynched so I'm still having a good home game here imo.

puns
dowolf (reasoning on the top two hasn't changed)
red13n (posting a lot of pointless thoughts today that aren't related to scumhunting. also finding his thoughts on nightkills/players disingenuous. han was "obviously town" since when?)
Oddity (coasting real hard here)

Town:

corrik
pjbasis (prob SK as I don't see scum fakeclaiming miller magus so early-- maybe magus has two roles !)
Se7en
DEADPOOL (gets good points for pointing out what I thought was weird about not voting Kanz at the end of day one-- think you need to actually be scumhunting to find that one)

Also pjbasis claimed Magus not MI whoops-- Alfador still would've been an awesome claim though I could see it backfiring if we were both fakeclaiming.
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What a massive card

SmackDown Tag Team Titles: MVP/Benjamin
RAW Tag Titles: Bad Influence
CW: Austin Aries
John Cena
Women: Nikki Bella
IC Title: Cody Rhodes
USA: Samoa Joe
Jericho
Angle
Big E (Xavier Woods as ref)
WHC: AJ Styles
Jimmy Uso
WWE: Mr. Anderson

Bonus(2) There will be a heel turn after one of these title matches. Which match? WHC
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If it makes you feel better I won't be drawing for Ike.
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Owning it just means you own it. Owning something doesn't have negative connotations it just means you accept your role in whatever went down and represent it accurately. "We were consenting adults who were together at the time and we probably shouldn't have saved videos of any of it but what can you do" would be completely fine with me.

Obviously that wouldn't actually be her response since she clearly has some shame about the videos existing, but a more reserved "We were together and I was immature at the time, and if given another chance I wouldn't have put any of it on video, but none of that was intended to be seen by anyone but us. The hackers are the bad guys here and I'm thankful for all the support I've received in this awkward time." would do too.

I just don't like how she says "I will always take responsibility-- BUT BRAD TOOK ADVANTAGE OF ME." It's just a scummy thing to do particularly when Brad Maddox is the guy who had s*** stolen.
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If someone kills themselves over one online bully that's natural selection at work. Yeah it sucks and I wouldn't blame the victim there, but I wouldn't exactly blame the bully either anymore than I'd blame a shooter who hits someone with a stray bullet on a firing range as they were wandering near targets during target practice.

Basically what I'm saying is if you're that fragile you should probably just not use Twitter in any sort of invested fashion. You're actively putting yourself at risk by doing so, because it should be plainly obvious these people exist reading anything anywhere on it. And the risk of that is much greater if you yourself are jackassing it up.

And anything related trending on Twitter just means it was a big internet event moreso than there was a lynch mob. I've seen #TagTeamTitleMatch trend enough on Raw to know it doesn't mean all that much.

Anyway I'm distracting from the point here and don't want to misrepresent myself-- I just feel she could've handled things a lot more gracefully there and that there are plenty of things to make fun of her for that are within reasonable bounds, how she handled the situation being chief among them, and that causes me to lose respect for her. I'm not trying to say anyone who slutshamed was justified or anything like that, but I do feel like that among people who should matter to a stable person on Twitter (ie non Twitter-trolls), it was a minority who actually did any of that and that it speaks to her character that she's playing up being the victim as much as she is rather than owning any of it.
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There are hundreds of jerks on Twitter that will take any opportunity they can to be negative about literally anything.

The question is whether those people represent the majority or not.
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There are a lot of things that are just plain stupid to have, even if there's no harm if no one knows about them.

Like say you have a list of all your passwords in a plaintext document on your desktop under the filename passwords.txt. Someone stealing that text document doesn't excuse the fact that it was stupid to have that text document in the first place.
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Now granted I'm not on Twitter all that frequently but I feel like most people aren't doing that? Most people are calling her stupid for making the videos to begin with, which is true, and has nothing to do with sluttiness or lack thereof.

Maybe I'm just projecting in that I don't think there's anything wrong with the mindset behind the videos/pics themselves (aside from the Title Shot but I've already gone into that)-- the fact that they exist in a stored form is the problem. Which boils down to stupidity not sluttiness. Which absolutely is not bullying to acknowledge.

It just feels like she's trying to make herself more of a victim than she is to avoid taking any responsibility for any of it which is not cool to me.
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Personally I'm of the feeling that if you're being called on your actions and ridiculed for them it's not actually being bullied. It's you being a fool and people acknowledging such.

Being bullied would be like if people were mocking a wart she had on her ass in the videos or something.
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Yeah I just keep losing more respect for Paige. I'm usually pretty good at separating the performer from the personal life but yeah I'm practically at the point where I wouldn't really be hyped at all if she ever came back. Like the opening to that post is really all you need to know.

Paige posted...

I made a big mistake. Huge. I put trust in the hands of someone that took advantage of a young girl years ago. It was my mistake and I'll always take responsibility.

Isn't saying that someone took advantage of you the definition of not taking responsibility and trying to pin it all on Maddox? Come on.
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Decided to just level Narcian and go for it. He's not my favorite Wyvern Rider but he's not bad. Still wasn't easy as he just solved the blue Pegasus at the beginning. Team was...

L39 Selena 4* Ruby Sword, Def+2
L40 Ephraim 5*
L38 Narcian 4*
L38 Subaki 4*

The main trick was getting anyone to survive a hit from Michalis when his special was up. This would be easy with 5* Selena but 4* Selena not so much. I got lucky that she had +Def nature, but it still wasn't quite enough as he'd hit for a low amount after Triangle adept, and she'd be at literally 1hp after his special.

So I inherited a 3* Stahl into her to give her a Ruby Sword and Def+2, which was enough for him to hit for 0. After that it was just using Subaki and Narcian to clean up the rest.
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If you try to inherit Vantage 1 then Vantage 2 unlocks to inherit. Basically you need to have or inherit all prereqs. So getting Vantage 3 on a guy without any Vantage skills would require all 3 inherit slots.

The unit you're inheriting from doesn't need to have learned it, but they do need to learnable by the rarity. So like if you only can get Vantage 3 from a rarity 4, you can't learn it from rarity 3, though you could learn its prereqs.
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Can't beat event with current units. Wondering if I should burn crystals and Feathers on a Narcian I'm not thrilled to use much, burn some orbs on units, or just settle for the 3*
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What did the hatters ever do to him
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Creeper's results ability has average expected gold generation of 6.2gp per use. Given he has an upkeep and the recharge/injury I've always felt that ability was fairly weak as written. The solution isn't actually to up the gold generation as I think econ abilities should be weak, and there are fixes to make it better that make him more fun to use. The big glaring issue is it actively works against his pre-battle in that you are which makes it not fun to use.

I feel like his results should actually be a passive or a trigger that goes off when you explode a terrain or an ability upgrade.

What I'd really like for it to be is a minigame thing. You upgrade it and his pre-battle becomes something you can declare in secret at the cost of an extra week of recharge, and if you pick the terrain that your opponent bids on you get random gp or something. I dunno. Just saying as is the results + pre-battle interaction is poorly designed.
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Paparazzi

Why the hell is Born This Way so popular that's gotta be one of my least favorites.
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That match is so great.

I miss Saturday Morning Slam. That was legitimately my favorite WWE show on some weeks (very hit or miss though) just because of how different it was.
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True story I'm considering TM Grinding that stupid monster armor from Wilhelm* just because it's +12 MAG on armor, even though it seems kinda bunk overall.

X-Death must reach maximum optimization.

*Editor's Note: Name is not in fact Wilhelm but Lawrence
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I would too actually. Through some luck with this account I could actually have Serra+5 right now but I'm being bottlenecked by feathers hard (as well as wanting to 5* other units before I start focusing on +1s for Serra)
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The funniest thing about this game is I actually like it enough to spend some money on it but I have felt no need to whatsoever. I still have 200 orbs for crissakes.

Game is too fair with its drawing system and the amount of free orbs it gives.
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Well I knew FFVII did but I thought it was exclusively through cutscenes-- Xenogears did it in the gameplay more.

That being said on a second thought I don't think that's exactly accurate.
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It all depends on the extent of the head injuries and their sensitivity.

I mean there becomes a point where the risk of taking certain bumps with a certain head injury being known has a low enough risk to actually cause damage that it may as well be a freak accident backdrop if something goes wrong. I don't know exactly what Bryan's injuries are or their extent, but given the guy is still considering wresting and he doesn't strike me as a super stupid person I would imagine they're closer to the "wrestle with some amount of caution and you should be fine, but WWE is being super cautious because of POLITIC or whatever" than "you're rolling the dice with every light bump you take or doing any sort of physical activity at all"
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Normally I'm opposed to things that make the game easier but that's the textbook definition of bad difficulty. Good that they tweaked that.
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Well the question is where the odds are. Is winning the lottery getting injured, or not getting injured.

Like if you're taking bumps that have a 1:100000 chance of causing serious damage then why not just let him do his thing. I mean I know you can't assign exact probabilities but you know what I mean-- otherwise you may as well tell people they can't drive to get from arena to arena cause the chances of a fatal car accident.
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Huh you know I never really realized how Xenogears was the first RPG to do that kinda stuff with the camera. It's one of those things where it's going on but you never actually realize that it's a new thing. Probably still shouldn't be remotely in the running on any sort of influential list (no slight against Xenogears that's just a fierce year) but you know, neat.
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Well I think "literally not bumping" is a bit more careful than he needs to be. Just nothing like diving headbutts or suicide dives. Miz's offense in general should be safe-- if you're going to think he's in any sort of serious risk of injury from a Skull Crushing Finale the guy is at that kinda risk just walking around-- don't trip you may die !!!!
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Right.

Which I mean, is totally dumb to be sure but that doesn't mean I can't think it's maybe slightly harsh and be upset it happened! Like I'd imagine it was unintentional so maybe a fine and a "do that again and you're fired" may have sufficed but who can know.
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I mean that may be-- I'm just saying I feel that reflects poorly on his abilities as a wrestler if he feels he has to.

And yeah I'm finally getting around to watching Lucha Underground now that it's conveniently on Netflix-- also because I have a wrestling void now that I've dropped Raw.

Good stuff so far! Makes me even more upset that MVP was going to be on Lucha Underground at one point but screwed something up with the contract stips and was fired. What can you do.
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He lacks imagination if he feels he has to go all out in any match for it to be good.

Personally if I was a wrestler I would almost enjoy the challenge of trying to put together a match that is actually good that doesn't involve me taking any bumps. It'd be like a puzzle!
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Yeah Miz seems like one of the best guys on the roster to face for that too. Hell they literally talked about how damn safe The Miz is for fuel in the feud.

I bet there's as much politic going on there as actual medical concerns.
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iiaattgg posted...

Why?

If it wasn't clear he meant if Angle came back full time he'd kill himself in the ring.

At least the matches would probably still be good though, because Angle is crazy.
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Emperor is probably my most wanted 5* that's currently released just so I can give his TM to X-Death so I'm jealous.
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So my two Karels turned out to be +SPD -RES and +SPD -HP.

Feel like +SPD -HP is the one to go with but good enough or necessary to +1 not as sure. Should I just hold the second to transfer Wo Dao for now?
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Black Widow
Nick Fury
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Oh well if you also play those types of decks then yeah might be good games.

Most b8ers are a lot more powergamey than I am I think. Like I know how to make an optimized deck-- I'm quite good at sealed tournaments and stuff. I just tend not to cause I get so much more out of winning with a dumb deck.

Basically I'm a Johnny and b8ers come off as mostly Timmys or whatever.

I'll look into it I haven't actually tried Cockatrice at all so it might be better than the ones I've used in years past that I forget the name of.
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Great topic. No particular comment at the moment beyond that but maybe I'll have something for later entries now that I'm caught up with it and aware it exists.
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Lost in the shuffle is that I'd argue even idealistically the MINIMUM wage shouldn't actually be anything you can comfortably live on working only one job.

Mostly cause if you're actually good at your job you're making considerably more than minimum wage even if you started at a minimum wage job cause raises exist and are generally standardized to some extent. So like we shouldn't even be comparing people who don't give little Timmy food poisoning to what Kujikawa is doing. We should be comparing people who do the bare minimum to skirt by in the most basic of jobs-- the ones who actually do poison little Timmy and don't give a crap and get fired every 6 months-- the ones who are secretly spitting in those McDonalds burgers you love so much.
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Well I can't speak for Kujikawa's job but my job isn't actually records nor have I ever worked a job like that so I can't speak for the workload. I work as a Software Engineer and in IT. The former probably requiring more skill but the latter probably being higher stress in the crunch time situations.

Granted minimum wage being raised doesn't actually eclipse my pay but you know, I've worked jobs in the past that it would, and am aware of other such jobs, that are definitely not things random fast food grunts can do with any proficiency. The point is there are a lot of jobs in that window that should be paid more than random fast food workers, with that number increasing the further you get away from areas with higher costs of living.
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Well it requires two things, which may not have occurred for you.

1. The emulators have to be going at roughly the same time, but still off by enough to get different rolls
2. They can't be off by too much, otherwise it shifts off completely.

You also need to have the pattern recognition to realize it's happening-- like if the windows shifts by 3 or more it may not be obvious at all. Also if whatever macro you were using to roll ran all the way to the actual roll it becomes more difficult to test this. Mine I had stop before actually rolling and then I manually ran the rolls because I was trying to figure out if there was any sort of pattern I could figure out with how time factored in. So yeah the window doesn't shift by anywhere near a 30th of a second cause it's possible to get two identical rolls using a touchpad and two clicks.

I did this multiple times, enough times and with rare enough units that I'm fairly certain it's not "confirmation bias"-- doubly so because the position on screen of the orbs will line up with the shift. So I mean I don't know. Ultimately this doesn't actually matter but yeah that's how it works. Maybe I'll do a few more rolls today and try to upload a stream of it occurring.
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The time interval for the window shift isn't that small. Otherwise you'd never see identical rolls on emulators running in parallel.
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I'm saying you're right and explaining how server time is factored into the roll

Basically has a queue of single summons and the window continually shifts, so if you summon at times very close, but not quite exact, and get these two summons at about the same time.

R R B G R
and
B G R R G

In two summons the B G R will be the same units. R R on the first would have been lost due to the time lapse between the first two rolls and replaced with the trailing R G.

Again this window shifts rapidly enough that you can't possibly do it in normal play-- you'd need two things drawing at the same time, but yeah.
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Xuxon posted...

all 5 heroes in a summoning session are determined simultaneously, before you reveal them

Can confirm this based on as KP said, rerolling on multiple emulators at the same time. The heroes summoned actually shift one orb at a time at a rapid rate-- but waiting any amount of time after the roll doesn't help cause yeah it locks in at the time of the roll. They also shift rapidly enough that in normal play the way they're determined won't ever matter because you can't do two rolls quickly enough unless you're using two phones at once.
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Well in Rikku's case the skill item would be ill suited to a DPS unit anyway-- Orlandu/Noctis items aren't as clear, though, true.
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Well I mean you have to consider that Kujikawa put the time in to be able to get that job. Getting that piece of paper or whatever it is isn't trivial, even if it just comes down to being able to free the time up to do so.

Also I think if you're seriously arguing this you've never actually worked one of these skilled jobs -- the stress of potentially doing something incorrectly is a pretty big deal in more skilled labor. There are days I'd rather work some mindless fast food job even if you get less actual breaks just because it generally comes down to "if you put in the time you'll do what's needed" which is a load off. I mean most days I wouldn't because I'd be bored out of my mind-- but yeah. That and the workload tends to be imbalanced the more skilled your labor becomes-- just cause the dude is here now doesn't mean he's posting on gamefaqs 7 hours every work day. It means there are treasured lulls, but there are also times where you're working with a ton of fervor, moreso than any service job could cause, because this urgent thing popped up and you've gotta handle it.

Getting some time to wait around in an office once in a while cause you're not constantly be harassed doesn't make the job "easier." It does make it less irritating to work probably, but that also depends on personality types.
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trdl23 posted...

Lopen you should battle MtG with me on Cockatrice.

Pass for now. I've never gotten too much out of those MtG programs. Little too cumbersome for me generally. That and my decks I play tend to be totally dumb more than effective so probably wouldn't even be good games!
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Kenri posted...

lmao this is the most hilarious kind of argument

It sounds like fast food workers should absolutely make more than you considering they apparently work a less pleasant job that affords them less free time while they're "working".

Generally pay priority is given based on how replaceable you are, and to keep you from leaving to a different job. While the job of the fast food worker is probably less pleasant on the whole to work, it's a lot more likely Kujikawa could do the fast food worker's job adequately than the other way around. If the fast food worker is capable of doing more difficult labor that is supposedly less stressful for them it begs the question of why aren't they? If the answer becomes "because there is no incentive to" that's a sign the system is broken.
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