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Do you think red would be at risk of being hammered before he could claim if he suddenly got up to 9? Because I think his ego is too big to claim with any number less until the last 5 minutes of the day.
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Tiki (Fire Emblem)
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Baigan (Final Fantasy IV)
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Well I think it's less the fact that Kirby needs an external catalyst and more that Kirby doesn't show a strong affinity for shapeshifting and just happens to do it at times with the sheer number of abilities he can copy.

But I'm not the host.
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SK can be as honest as anyone.

Until they claim.
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StifledSilence posted...

Kirby changes form and color every time he copies and ability. In his fire ability he can morph into a fireball. And more importantly in his stone form, he can transform into different sizes and shapes of rocks.

Kirby morphing into a fireball is a consequence of him copying the ability of a fire enemy. The enemy is the 'shapeshifter' (nominate Burnin Leo-- no really don't do that) and has the ability, Kirby is copying it.

I would attribute him having hats and changing colors to shapeshifting cred but I don't think hats and color changes are enough to make you a shapeshifter.
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Not sure I agree with that either since it's not a power-up as much as his inherent ability to copy the abilities of others that's letting him do that, so he's disqualified for a different reason entirely in my book.

But like, if Rogue steals the power of Mystique and gains the power to shapeshift temporarily it doesn't mean Rogue is a shapeshifter.
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Feel like Kirby shouldn't count in this. He has a very small handful of forms I'd consider to be shapeshifting based, which feels more like a consequence of his ability copying more than him actually being a shapeshifter.
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I wonder if people really thought about the phrasing of the poll. I feel like Street Fighter's playrate is better than 10% here and I feel like you're going to beat Bison per time played way more than the other guys just cause the games are short.
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Imagine if you made this poll in 1996 and it was the still relatively fledgling PSX for Sony vs Nintendo coming off a massively successful SNES, which followed the highly successful NES, and a new powerhouse N64 debuting.

Those people who voted Sony in 1996, boy, they'd look so stupid in 10 years, right?
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@pezloco thoughts on Sultan's latest contributions?
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Other than you noo actually

I can't name any scumhunting red did on me either? Which is weird, because it's me. I tend to remember stuff related to me.
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I want you to name a single bit of scumhunting he did rather than a vague feeling. Can you do it?
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Sultan can you name a single bit of hunting red has done?
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I feel like if you had some legitimate suspicion of red you'd read other arguments against him from people you don't suspect are scum to help you along with that, as there were a few. Also really don't like the escalation of suspicion on Pez for not much reason-- again, seems like you dialing it up to make an escape valve more plausible.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

As previously alluded to it's mostly his tone doesn't feel right. I don't have much quantifiable to give you but I rarely do when I peg him. That said I like him a bit better today and the sk hunting argument has always been junk

So the big problem I've had here is that you're okay on Red for a long time.

216, topic 4
Tom:
-Chris and Red are very good off that list
-But I lean scum on Chris and town on Red

"he's doing stuff day 1!" when asked for elaboration

Specifically, until mid topic 4, you're pretty good with red. Late topic 4, we come to this point

438, topic 4
Pez:
Are you actually reading the game? I thought you had been around more this game. I've made my opinion of Tom very clear I thought. I literally asked the rest of the game to look at Sultan because I thought his read of Tom was cheap and easy after Chris, 5tar and I discussed our reads of Tom prior to Sultan's post. I don't think town Red does this

##Unvote: Sultan
##Vote: Red

@Tom_Bombadil I ask you this. If Red knows about roommate powers why is he still bringing up SK stuff after you said it's a null tell? Does this feel at all to you like Red being genuine scum hunting?

Tom seems swayed by this, and it reflects in his list given in the first page of topic 5. However

Topic 5: Post 9

Tom:
1. Pezloco: Lean scum but some of that might be lack of time to post.
4. Red13n: Was a fan until Pez's attack, now reserving judgment

Why would an attack from someone you lean scum on be that important to your formation of an opinion on a person? Further a red lynch gets support right about here, early topic 5, and Tom ignores it completely, despite being present. We then bridge to Tom answering top 5 scum...

Topic 6, post 137
Tom:
Pez Chris ulti uhhhh Ben Lea?

Now Pez has become top scum for not much tangible reason. Strange Tom would still consider his argument against red to hold sway, particularly when at that point many others have chipped some stuff in on red. I'm not really sure about any of this. It feels a lot like Tom is realizing scummate red looks scummy, and arbitrarily latching onto an argument from a guy to distance himself from him, yet fabricating a suspicion of the guy making that argument to give himself an out if he needs to.

If (when) red flips scum I'm thinking Tom is a slam dunk follow-up, myself.
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I mean you can think it's a bad vote. Dowolf thought it was a bad vote. But don't use voting him to say I wasn't arguing against the lynch cause I was the only one here who was! But sometimes you just gotta make a sacrifice to not have 4 4 vote wagons. It's unfortunate but I think it was the right play.

It may have also been unnecessary but I really just wanted that claim ASAP to get a productive day going because I figured town needed to be off him with some time to think rather than stagnating with a bunch of middling wagons.
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Corrik you say "sure" but what useful things have you done this game?
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That vote on me for voting dowolf being contradictory or whatever was just too much for me man.

I'm not saying you're always bad but it pained me to see that one.
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Also more importantly why?
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Hey @Tom_Bombadil when you get back could you go into when Pez became one of your top suspects for me?
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Tom Bombadil posted...

-Whatever it was to which I asked red how he plead which I'd be lying if I said I remembered offhand but come to think I don't think he ever responded
-He stopped (relatively) impressing me
-the magical mystery tour

While it's a gradual thing when did the second realization really come to you, roughly?

Could you approximate how town you felt he was after these steps? Like, you don't need percentages. But like, say after the plead thing, did you have him still as a town lean, then totally neutral after the relative lack of impressment?
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So what moved you to 60-70% from the town pile? Which arguments started coming out on him that you felt compelling?
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Tom what % would you put the likelihood red is scum, currently?
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Yeah you explained it and I looked for his activity D1 and couldn't find it hence why I still don't know why he's there.
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Sounds like you should vote Red then. He seems very likely to be scum from that hierarchy.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Remember I've had him in the town pile most of the game.

I do remember. I still don't know why he's there. Do you know why he's there?
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Pez's argument against Sultan seems very similar to the one Luis made against Sultan.

I'm not saying that's inherently scummy, but consider that scum previously made more or less the exact same argument.
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Tom Bombadil posted...

He basically went (non)roommate Powers on it. That's enough of a reputation stake to wipe out the d1 Goodwill if he's wrong imo

Do you think there's not enough of a case on red without that? Do you think red13n has proven to be an invaluable asset to town to this point that a mislynch on him would cause someone to be punished for it? Do you think that someone would necessarily be Chris even though red had 4 votes on him before magic tricks?
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Maybe Scum!Chris could go this far to eliminate Town!Red but going THIS hard seems kinda suicidal

Elaborate on why it's suicidal for me.
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HHH? That's very hurtful.
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I don't see how "town red would come into the topic with reads on some suspects after some time to catch up with reading from the 24 hours off" is something that needs roommate powers to determine

Like I don't know what a town red game looks like because I don't remember any but I've been asking for suspicions from him the whole time because surely he has a reputation for being good for some reason.
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Keep in mind Chris currently has one vote

Babbys do not need to be soothed.
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Camarija posted...

yeah I still don't understand the magic trick

I'll keep looking lol

But as I said, I'm pretty busy right now and have to read up when I have free time

Lopen posted...

turbopuns3 posted...

Like what was town red supposed to say if he does know how you play and he saw you play that way

I think his point was that town red wouldn't find a reason to post something that serves no purpose other than to put over "look how well I know Chris!" Like that doesn't clear Chris at all. It also was just a repeat of what Chris already said. Basically it was a loaded "town clear" (which was pointless because very few people are suspecting him to begin with)

That explains the meat of the magic in the trick as concisely as possible and how it's catching scum.
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So focusing on cam had you think that scum Chris might do that? Anything in particular about the flow of conversation that made you jump to that rather than focusing hard on cam?

Was there anything in Pez's post in particular that spurred the thought that maybe it wasn't a great trap?
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Explain the exact progression of those thoughts. Were they buffered by intermediate posts or other insights? About how much time between each thought?
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Damn. Crap. Can he read the parenthesis?

(Can he?)
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Tom my friend (SUSPECT) what are YOUR thoughts on Chris's magic trick with Red?
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I think it's a pretty good argument honestly. It's what red trying to be the arbiter of "now I shall show you how Chris is town or scum!!!" had me immediately thinking like if he was going to say he's town. It's just like... oh, you're trying to get points for doing nothing since no one with credibility thinks he's scum anyway. Thanks for that, Red.

If he had actually shocked us with something chris didn't already say that would've been something.

Chris's magic trick was amazing but nothing I would've needed to think it was scummy to begin with. If you think of it in terms of red's motivations there's more there than just magic. I mean if you boil it down, red basically says "if Chris was telling the truth he's town." No shit. Great deductions, bro.
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turbopuns3 posted...

Like what was town red supposed to say if he does know how you play and he saw you play that way

I think his point was that town red wouldn't find a reason to post something that serves no purpose other than to put over "look how well I know Chris!" Like that doesn't clear Chris at all. It also was just a repeat of what Chris already said. Basically it was a loaded "town clear" (which was pointless because very few people are suspecting him to begin with)
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I can't resist. I must see this glory.

UNOFFICIAL Votals (as of post 16)
(5) Red: 5tar, Lopen, Lea, Chris, Ben
(2) Corrik: dowolf, (Lea), (Ben), (Chris), Sultan
(2) SBell: (Chris), MZero, (Lopen), puns
(1) Chris: Corrik
(1) Pez: Ulti, (Lea)
(0) Lopen: (Lea), (Ulti)
(0) 5tar: (Ulti)

I want to see more from red.
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I want to see more from red.
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Playerlist (19 alive)
1. Pezloco
2. UltimaterializerX
3. Lea3Lea
4. Red13n
5. Benjamin
6. SBell (Obellisk)
7. Camarija
8. MZero
9. Sir Chris (DoomTheGyarados)
10. 5tarscream
11. Hbthebattle
12. Death (HtaeD)
13. Tom Bombadil
14. TheSultanOfSlam
15. Lopen
16. turbopuns3
17. Corrik
18. Lolo_Guru
19. Dowolf

Deadlist (2 dead)
LD1 - Luis_Sera aka The One Ring (Lord of the Rings), MAFIA Redirector.
KN1 - Scarechan (replaced eaedwards) aka J.D. Salinger (as portrayed on BoJack Horseman), TOWN Villager

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to reach a majority. Day will end on Sunday, June 23th at 9PM EDT or if majority is reached ahead of time.

The hell if you're getting votes from me those are for hosts.
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Honestly I don't really know what town red looks like because I find his town games unmemorable, but the idea that he's out to put himself over as knowledgeable first and foremost over actual useful scumhunting lines up with how I read his scum game in WWE mafia.

This doesn't mean all that much because I only followed the last few days of that game, though.
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lmao roasted
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Post them at X:26:00 if you already have them it's not hard.
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Leafeon13N posted...

Hmm, trying to think of a reasonable time for me to be able to type these up coherently.

It's harder to fake two answers rather than react to one, since you need to be able to justify both of them later. It's understandable.
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Oh wow getting right on those excuses for not being here I see.
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I haven't really followed Tom's logic too well this game, he has lightly defended red for contributing content I never really saw (kinda like what Lea was accusing me of doing with Luis but like, it actually happened), and he seemed to be sucking up to me so I vaguely suspect him as possible scum.

I'd rather see red flip as scum before pursuing that one though.
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Are you VILLAGER or TOWN.
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