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It's really late and I'm gonna be honest I was lazy about looking into Eaed's posts, partially because I thought I had a non-zero chance of dying partially cause I was busy most of today anyway-- Wednesday night would've been an okay time to do it but I was like "xfd are you SERIOUS" when I saw Ulti. Just blew my mind I'm not even sure why you'd fakeclaim as survivor? Maybe there's some nuance to this version that made the play make something resembling sense, but how can you be so bad at this game.

Oh and yeah I believe that Corrik is cop for a few reasons, but even if I didn't Kanzaris was scummy enough yesterday beyond global taunt status that I'd just gamble on it anyway.

Don't really see the need to rush out a vote yet though. At least not till I have slept and get all the rest of the day 1 thoughts out.
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Robazoid posted...

Having to start a mission over just because someone died sounds like the worst thing in the world to me.

I sorta agree with your general sentiment but single character deaths in Fire Emblem shouldn't really be considered in the same category as random status ailment death. Fire Emblem you can generally control when units are put at risk of dying, and the maps/difficulty are designed around the idea that people are not going to want to lose any units. Even fluke crits are generally something you can avoid outright.

All this being said you'd hate vanilla FF1 because it loves fluke status ailment death.
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Tharja is my favorite Mage in the series and first-second favorite overall so replacing her would only happen if there was some sorta limited edition better Tharja (or Serra, I guess!) that was a red tome which seems unlikely.

May have to research SPD vs ATK a bit though. Don't wanna start +ing an inferior nature. I'm unsure of either one. Gotta look at Ohko breakpoints and double hit breakpoints
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People on Reddit seem to be thinking +Atk is actually more must have than +Spd on Tharja so perhaps this Tharja is the optimal Tharja. I'm not actually entirely convinced as +Spd is so important that so many units have it so Tharja would be able to double a lot less units.

+Atk will allow her to OHKO more easily though so maybe it is better considering her squishiness. Don't wanna get counterhit.

Although I will say for some reason I thought you could get + to up to two stats and - on up to two, for a total of up to 4 stats variation per unit, but then I saw Xuxon say there were 21 possibilities which supports only a + to one stat and a - to one stat. I guess if you can only have +1 to one stat then +Spd no longer becomes a must and yeah I kinda think this is the best Tharja. Awesome. Couldn't be happier. I will soon have a +1 +Atk -HP Tharja
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So guess I got 4* Tharja AND 5* Tharja. Huh. I think I'll just stop having spent 89 orbs on this (5 drew the first set, then only drew Greens on every other one I could, then 5 drew the last set with 5* Tharja cause I was at 3.5% at that point so why not-- also two drew one of the sets) even though I somehow did not get a focus.

Natures

Tharjas - +Atk -HP and -Atk +HP. Fortunately +Atk -HP seems like one of the better natures for her though I feel like she'd want +Spd most? Unfortunately -Atk +HP seems like one of the worst and is on the 5*. I'm wondering if +Spd is a must or if her natural speed is high enough that she doesn't really need +Spd

Cherche - -Spd +Atk. This seems like the best nature for Cherche as her speed is too low to double anyone anyway particularly with Brave Axe.

Camilla - +Spd -HP. Also seems like one of the best natures.

Also got Effie who seems like good to pass Wary Fighter on with. Does Wary Fighter cause Brave Weapons to fail? Wary Cherche could be pretty good if not. Also Raven who can pass on a Brave Axe without me needing to kill Camilla. Overall very good set.

Down to 143 orbs but I do have a bunch of Lunatic Quests to do today to help replenish.
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Next draw gives me 5 non greens... draw a red... Tharja. Yessssss. Banner is worth. (Maybe I'll start editing these in and stop spamming)
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3* Beruka third draw lol.
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3* Cherche second draw is this game trying to tell me to back off.
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Huh.

4* Camilla on first draw. Not good enough for me to leave the banner, but useful.
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Who needs to have played it recently I've been a difficulty elitist all my life and didn't really get that feeling the first time I played it. Definitely on the lowest tier of FF difficulty but it's not on an island of its own. It has good company with FFIV US, FFVII, and FFIX.
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I kinda like Beruka but yeah that wouldn't be great I guess. Particularly because she has no good skills to pass.

17% is pretty massive-- if I only draw greens I should get one pretty easily. Think I'll still full draw the first batch because there are a lot of units I want and it's a more direct way to ramp up the bonus percentage rank. Hoping for Cherche or Camilla. Or better yet both so I can give Camilla's axe to Cherche
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FF1 GBA is easy compared to FF1 NES but I think if you're calling it "so easy as to be boring" FF in general shouldn't really be your series.
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Hopefully it's better than The Killing Joke.
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Think I'm gonna draw a little on this wyvern banner. I like most of these characters and I need an axe user. Also chances of a 5* Axe are probably really high on this.
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Zootopia beat Fellowship and got crushed by RotK? Very weird. I always thought Fellowship was better but even putting that aside I wouldn't expect there to be that big a difference between any of the movies.

Probably it being the final match caused a weird vote influx I guess.
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Yeah I mean I'll probably do the story I have not done but screw optimizing explorations for eggs. Not worth it.
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Think I will mostly skip this collection event. Halloween Candy Corn made me hate myself.
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Yeah the fact that Raw is 3 hours means you see a lot more repetitive booking to fill time, which means smaller divisions suffer even more there. I feel like every possible women's division match has been done 12 times over except for the ones with matching alignments or ones involving women they refuse to use like Alicia Fox or Dana Brooke.

SD's division is just as small but because it's only 3 hours a lot of feuds have been heavy on brief segments. Like I'm not sick of seeing Nikki Bella vs Natalya yet because despite them having had a decently long feud they haven't actually had more than like 2 (real) matches I think. Hell I'm not exactly sick of seeing Alexa Bliss vs Becky Lynch yet (I think they should have better matches than they do given the two's quality with others but it doesn't feel stale yet) and that one was featured for months.
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They do need to be merged yeah. It's really the only way to make the divisions actually good. Raw with an undersized division suffers a lot more than SD though.
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Picked Cherche

Cherche is not doing well
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Honky is a comedy gimmick too. It did well, but it was in an era where comedy gimmicks were all over the place. It was overwritten by non comedy stuff but so was Disco.

Disco Inferno thrived (relatively speaking) in an era where they were trying to be GRITTY AND REALISTIC. He also had more depth than your usual comedy character and would say he evolved past a pure comedy act once 1997 had come around. Had moments of badassery in his brief feud with the Flock, moments of scumminess when he was trying to get into the Red and Black nWo. There was a lot to Disco!

Mizdow not so much but man did he get huge reactions towards the end there and he's probably got the dumbest gimmick of the three.
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I think the SD Women's division is okay aside from thinking Alexa and Becky have negative chemistry in the ring-- but it doesn't really drag the show down because they've actually moved on from that feud. Better than Raw's in any case because no matches have been beaten to death yet as opposed to Raw where every match has been beaten to death.

Well okay Naomi kinda sucks too but she's no worse than Nia.

But yeah Mickie vs Becky matches have been pretty good, and she had an awesome match with Asuka in NXT a bit before getting called to SD. Overall don't see why you'd hate the SD Women's division so much. I find myself fast forwarding through a lot more of Raw's. Probably because they get interviews more and none of em can talk well.
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Would argue Mickie's possibly better in the ring than she's ever been. You're crazy man. Though I do agree with the mic work-- would blame that on her bad starting gimmick more than anything. Probably not as bad now.
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I think given the eras they were in vs the contrast to other gimmicks of the time there's a better case for Disco Inferno and Damien Mizdow than Honky Tonk Man
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I think Usurper makes a ton of sense for the setup, and it would explain the argument you two had being so passionate off of so little.

I think I would make sense as Godfather as I was generally the loved admin and would be thought of as a positive influence on the game by the players, hence not scum, and numbers was that guy who would storm in and try to overturn my rulings or whatever else after having been gone forever.
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Yes. Your case is mostly compartmentalized from Ulti's.
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Topic 3 nothing to report. I will say that MZero having already stated some of this stuff on Oddity makes me feel even better about him, and about Oddity being scum, as that gives some weight to these things I interpret as being slips as actually being slips.

To conclude:

Scum reads:
Oddity
Ulti
Eaed

Scum reads (conditional on Ulti or Oddity being scum):
Kanzaris

Scum reads (conditional on Ulti being Usurper/Godfather):
Corrik

Town reads:
MZero
Sir Chris

Other thing I will explain is why I have some slight suspicion of eaed which I've only come across now on browsing the past topics a bit harder. He was very apologetic about missing time last time around, to the point of being 'obv town' due to being so oblivious to how drawing attention to the fact that you aren't there so fiercely would make you a target. Very earnest. I don't believe he's done that this time, which to me feels like a man who is intentionally avoiding such things and does not actually have remorse.

Given there are only 15 minutes in the day not sure I'll get around to fact checking that feel from eaed in this game, but should I die, someone make a point to do that.
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Topic 2:

Oddity and Kanzaris basically drop off the face of the earth. Kanzaris has one block of text in which he arbitrarily defends people for very shaky reasons-- people I mostly see as scum at this point. Kanzaris seems like a "no man left behind" kinda person so I could see him as more likely to defend scumbuddies than not. Kanzaris read as scum +++ if Ulti flips scum.

Every other post from Oddity in this topic is "I'm going to catch up later, I'm going to comment on this later" Spoilers he never actually does this. Many many posts exclaiming "ah, that's interesting!"

Seems like a very good way to pretend you're doing things without actually doing anything. Moves votes around for little reason, can't be arsed to explain most of em. You can CTRL+F "Oddity" and "Kanzaris" in Topic 2 and get all their posts with little effort and interpret for yourself.
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Second post is a bit down from 258-- 279 or so-- just scroll down. Moving on to topic 2.
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Casebuilding:

Post 258, topic 1

Oddity posted...

wait, did you vote lopen? The conversation led me to believe that was true, going back to look.

However, if he ACTUALLY went back to look, wouldn't he have seen that IGCD unvoted? He makes no mention of it, and it doesn't become clear IGCD unvoted till late page 9. This to me implies he is pretending to go back and look.

Oddity posted...

Got to admit, I'm pretty impressed with Corrik, here. Thought he was just going to use his claim as a free pass.

Thinks Corrik would "rest on his cop claim" which no one took seriously to begin with.

Not much on Kanzaris topic 1 aside from a lot of wishywashiness-- kinda defends Ulti more than he maybe should. Would lean him more likely scum if Ulti flips scum.
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KanzarisKelshen posted...

How am I lurky? I was gone most of today, after I said as much yesterday. Every other part of the game I've been very active.

Isn't your work earlier in the day? That's why I thought you were being lurky (since you mentioned getting up early and I assumed a more or less standard 8 hours of work). If it's until later then yeah I was wrong.

I worked a long shift today. I have to do work out of town weekly which necessitates a particularly long day-- I'm also pretty much totally inactive as I get poor internet signal there.

10am EST to 9pm EST today. A lot of that being driving. Did get a bit of reprieve earlier to quickly read over the day and post thoughts but yeah.

I don't think it was all that relevant anyway. I doubt I would've added all that much if I was here-- not like my vote moved since last night after all!

Only ever happens on every other Wednesday btw so shouldn't happen again unless game goes really long.
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Oh one more thing before I go investigating

I actually think Ulti as scum might make some sense too, with Chris being on the safelist and Drak legitimately being on the scumteam here. Drak was basically an admin in every sense but title-- I don't really see him being a safelisted entry.

And BTW to further dive into flavor speculation a bit, if Ulti flips Lopen Mafia Godfather, Corrik would probably be numbers Mafia Usurper. Vice versa as well. I think a Usurper fits well in this flavor and I feel like those two went at each other a lot more than really made sense all things considered. (Do Usurpsers flip as Usurper? I wouldn't know because I've never seen a Usurper lose!!! FFT Mafia represent.)
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How am I lurky? I was gone most of today, after I said as much yesterday. Every other part of the game I've been very active.

Unfortunately Ulti kinda killed the end of the day reads with his stupid desperation claim that might as well be a glowing "you're right I am the SK" sign so there isn't really gonna be all that much to read from the end of the day either.

Still think Oddity is a good lead for tomorrow too. Since we have an hour I'm going since well, I may be dead tomorrow and while he's getting traction, I'm going to build a case on Oddity (maybe, anyway-- I kinda do think he sorta dropped off the earth after the first part of the game I called him on so there may not be there).

Still think Ulti is the right lynch here, but it's good to get something on the table.

Think I'm going to investigate you too Kanzaris. Frankly get a feeling you're taking shots at me because you think I might not fight back because I have acknowledged your "natural scumdar." Seems like a good safe play for a scum Kanzaris who hasn't contributed much cause of school or whatever-- go after the guy who you think won't fight back and already has some slight suspicions.

We'll see what I can find with an hour.
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Also Oddity is scummy entirely because of stuff early in the first day to me.

1. Called Chris "lacking conviction" and "not ragey" off literally two posts.
2. Random post asking if a player is in the game rather than just looking at the player list.

Also his voting trends seemed kinda scummy to be honest-- he piled on me when I started to get momentum, then bailed immediately when I started to lose it, for relatively flimsy reasons on both ends I feel. And I feel like it's been exceptionally hard to get anyone to even acknowledge that I've made an argument against him, whereas with most other players I've shown any interest in have had at least people say "that's interesting" or something else.

That being said he hasn't really jumped out at me since-- maybe because he's keeping his head down.
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Chris (flavor, that is) actually makes a lot of sense as SK. Much moreso than untargetable-- Chris may have quit at the end but he was there for 90% of the game, and I'd say because a lot of players quit saying Chris is far and away king quitter to have the role doesn't make sense. And do you know how many players Chris made quit mercenaries 4? SK is a great match.

I still think Lopen as SK would be cooler but I think Chris as SK is more accurate to game events, as despite hating the admins and wanting to kill them at times I did nothing of the sort. Honestly just leaving Chris out of the game entirely has some merit since he took his ball and went home too (that's probably what I'd do if I was flavoring this game but I am bitter) so it's not out of the question that he'd be on the safelist either for me.

I like my vote staying on the Ulti lynch here in any case. I do think it's probably more likely he's SK as I think his scumtells thus far would apply equally as SK and yeah the flavor fitting as well as it does is probably more likely than safelist Sir Chris.
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If Ulti flips scum I personally would start by investigating players he has randomly put votes on today as I feel he has been moving his vote around with little reason for it in most cases, which could possibly be a gambit to help "clear" his buddies in the event of his demise on the vote records, without applying any real pressure to them. Would need to go back and actually find the votes to narrow that down as none have jumped out at me.

I'm not sure if he did this in CT Mafia as I didn't pay attention for the first 3 topics but maybe someone with a better memory will confirm or deny this behavior occurred in this game or any others.

Investigate all except me, of course. I KNOW I'M TOWN.

Now really going to sleep.
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Well I need to sleep early day at work tomorrow that probably needs more than 4 hours of sleep but I'll have to settle for 4. Might be a late day too, but I'll definitely be here by 8pm EST the latest, which would be a solid 3 hours before deadline. Most likely I'll be back well before that though, but who knows with these Wednesday trip days.
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It's about what you're posting. Scum like posting things that are of no importance to give the illusion of being active. I don't see how that's a bad read, and I think it's one of the only reads you're likely to get day 1.

That and that was only half the reason I voted him-- the other him observing Chris was "lacking conviction" and "not ragey" based off of literally two posts. The two combine to get a fairly solid basis for an early vote I think. I still think it's the best vote too-- just not enough to try and railroad town into him.
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I felt pretty much no pressure from you maybe you should hunt better.
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Also Corrik a question for you since I don't think you ever answered it the first time I asked-- what did you dislike about my vote on Oddity? You just said "I don't like this vote at all" and left it at that.
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But hey Ulti, let's run with the idea that you actually suspected me earlier in the game.

Why did you remove your vote?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

I've suspected Lopen since long before he voted for me. I'm not "thrashing around angry at everyone who suspects me", since I was suspecting you before you voted for me. I also in no way suspect IGCD despite his vote on me.

This would fly if I actually thought you suspected me earlier in the game.
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IGCD wasn't joking with me I don't think. I definitely wasn't joking with him. I noticed earlier you took my response to him as a joke. I didn't feel it was worth the effort to clarify since I kinda said as much in the moment and I guess you glossed over it, but I was more or less being serious in my response to him, with a bit of a lightheartedness to it, but serious nonetheless.
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Oh also that dude I gave demerits to very slight lean scum... but it's kinda more neutral cause he kept digging up that line of conversation that I thought didn't reflect well on him, which seems weird for a scum player to do. I dunno. GOT MY EYE ON EM (whenever I can remember his name)
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Jokes are often much more in the execution than the content. I felt he played it straight, so I asked where the joke aspect was beyond the reference I understood-- I'm still not convinced that wasn't the case but his reaction was adequate to the point that it's not an "obv scumslip" or whatever either so it's been marked as a neutral for the moment, but something to consider later if he does something I think is scummy.

Overall would say the line of questioning was helpful even if it didn't clarify all that much on benjamin for me because I think the interaction with Death that spawned off it helped clarify where I stand on that front.
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Michael Westen
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I never said you were town. I said you were a good lynch regardless of what your alignment is. Which is true. Gun to head I'd call you scum because you seem super rowdy and angry and just thrashing around pointing fingers at anyone who would dare call you suspicious, much like you were in CT-- only reason I don't have more conviction with that is my game reference for you totals to one game.

Speaking of reads, to answer Corrik's earlier question...

My only town read as of now is MZero-- that's mostly because I'm not looking for town reads at the moment, though. Well also Leo because the claim is too good but that's kinda cheating. Also Johnbobb because I kinda felt like he got way too much suspicion early despite having similar play to a bunch of other players. Kinda feel like a scum with a similar pedigree wouldn't get that, and I think what little posts he has made have been good

Scum reads would be Oddity and Death. I feel like they've had a higher concentration of "faked" reactions to posts than other players. Don't really claim to have good reads until days end though. When votes are flying that's when the true color of a man is exposed.
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My vote is for the good of town.
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I'm more admitting to thinking you're a good lynch on policy regardless of alignment if you keep that up. It actively harms town to do that-- like to the point where just getting you off the board would probably be a net positive even if yo--

UltimaterializerX posted...

Corrik is 100% scum. You're welcome.

##Unvote: Oddity
##Vote: Ulti

Fuck off.
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Ulti becomes a good lynch if he posts that shit one more time. Christ.
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