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They're juicing the numbers to make the site look more active than it really is.

The music video for CHIMERA just dropped:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6L4NNkF2Knc

They did great work on this!

At the very least, AIPAC should register as the foreign lobbying group that it is.

The rumors of lots of graduations has been a thing since last year and that there is a queue for graduation where nijisanji spaces them out so that it doesn't look as bad.

This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2ia8T4E2Mc

McMarbles posted...

Literally every post you've made in this thread is "OH, BUT GENOCIDE????" so yeah, no, calling bullshit.

Because there are people unironically ignoring genocide and trying to change the subject.

mystic_belmont posted...

Because people didn't like Clinton, so they thought "how bad could Trump be?"

If clinton was such a bad candidate, why did democrat party want her as their nominee so badly?

Gobstoppers12 posted...

What's absolutely hilarious about this point is that the people who refuse to vote for Biden because of this will be directly responsible for letting Trump win.

What's actually hilarious, in a dark humor sort of way, is that biden is so much of a diehard fan of genocide that he would rather support genocide full-throatedly than stop it to improve his poll numbers.

McMarbles posted...

The guy whose response to everything is "SO I GUESS YOU LIKE GENOCIDE????" really has no leg to stand on when accusing others of strawmanning.

I responded to a strawman with a strawman to show how ridiculous it was. That you failed to see this obvious point is both ridiculous and hilarious.

mystic_belmont posted...

Your job as a voter is to vote the best choice among the two parties.

If you don't like either choice, you should have, as a voter, walked into the voting booth during the primaries and voted for who you want.

Complaining about a candidate, while not doing anything to push forward your preferred one, is very lazy.

Expecting the candidate of your choice to be on board with 100% is childish.

Do I wish Biden did more about Gaza and Israel? Absolutely.

Is Trump so much worse? Absolutely. He has stated he's going to be a dictator, he has project 2025 backing him up.

Cool. None of this has to do with the topic which is stating that biden is hurting his chances with the general voting public by supporting genocide. Why doesn't he stop supporting genocide and improve his poll numbers that way? What's the downside? Instead you get people in here screaming "BUT THE OTHER GUY!!!" and other irrelevant shit.

havean776 posted...

So you are saying it's okay for me to vote to protect my friends and you have been getting angry and claiming I support genocide for no reason at all?

I didn't say anything about your vote. Are you done trying to change the subject from genocide which you seem to really love doing for some reason?

havean776 posted...

Sp are you saying I should sacrafice my friends for your moral victory or not?

No, I'm saying that you keep dragging out this strawman and it's akin to claiming that you must not care about genocide, except in this case you might actually not care about genocide because you keep trying to change the subject.

havean776 posted...

Do you remember when they fearmongered that Repubs wanted to overturn Roe vs Wade? Do you remember when it was proven that it was not fearmongering?
That's the postion I am in. You can tell me the Repubs are only saying that they will come after the LGBT community but won't really do it all you like. I will not take the chance.

Do you remember when democrats had the opportunity to do something about it but didn't?
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN29466420/

I remember. Thanks to me having the amazing ability of a memory span longer than that of a goldfish, I can recognize the pattern of democrats talking the talk but almost always failing to walk the walk.

havean776 posted...

[irrelevant quotes]

Yeah, me throwing your disingenuous argument right back at you doesn't show what you think it shows. It only shows that you missed the point completely and that you have a reading comprehension problem.

havean776 posted...

You have on sevral posts shown that you think I support genocide because I am voting to protect my friends. You have made it very clear that you do not think protecting my friends is a worthwhile goal and that I should instead lay down and let the other side win to teach a lesson to my side.

So why is it okay for you to scream that me voting Biden is supporting Genocide?

Try reading my posts before replying because I've said none of that.

Will_VIIII posted...

And Biden has called for a cease fire

While supplying more planes and bombs to israel. Yeah, I'm sure he's sincere in his little "call".

havean776 posted...

Nothing wrong with criticizing him. Just know that threatening to not vote does nothing to help anyone but Trump.

When have I ever threatened to not vote for biden or any democratic candidate? You're all making up strawmen to deflect from the real argument of "biden should stop supporting genocide" or as the opening post points out "biden should stop supporting genocide because it's hurting his poll numbers" since apparently biden only cares about poll numbers and doesn't give a shit about people's lives.

havean776 posted...

YOu are in a privliged postion where you can ignore the damage "the other guy" does. He is real, he can do huge damage and make laws that forever hurt my friends. You telling me to just ignore that is not an option for me.

Says the one taking the privileged position of ignoring genocide.

Kingfrost posted...

So you're saying women's rights are a small price to pay, as long as the democratic party maybe possibly learns a lesson (even though they won't.) I'm sure all those Democrats will be like "Man, we probably lost because of Israel, and certainly not because we didn't go further to the right and appeal to more centrists. We don't totally go more right to try to win more elections in the future or anything like that. Nope. We would never do that!"

So, again, you're saying genocide is a small price to pay since shutting down any and all criticism of biden is far more important.

havean776 posted...

How does Trump being elected stop that?

How does criticizing biden and having him change his actions get trump elected? Reminder that biden's handling has disapproval from 75% of democrats: https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

havean776 posted...

So you are saying that my friends losing their rights and maybe their lifes is a small price you are willing to pay to send a message?

So you're saying genocide is a small price to pay?

WingsOfGood posted...

"Biden I dislike what you are doing with Israel so instead I will let Trump win who is worse than you on Israel and will ban Muslims and empower Nazis!"

strange message

You could make this argument about literally anything. Why improve anything ever since the other guy is worse? This is exactly why democrats love the "but the other guy" argument and this is why they fund fascists: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/03/the-democrats-are-purposely-boosting-far-right-republicans-this-will-backfire

Heineken14 posted...

But it's not downplaying it. Shit in Palestine is turbo fucked and Biden is doing horrible with it and should do better. The problem is though... our hands are incredibly tied in what we can do

Actually there are many things biden can do. Hell, if biden did nothing it would be a vast improvement over the billions of dollars, weapons, military equipment, UN vetoes, etc that he is providing for israel that he doesn't have to.

Will_VIIII posted...

You're not using that word correctly.

noun: genocide; plural noun: genocides
the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group.

Biden is not doing this.

"He's not technically flying the planes and dropping the bombs himself QED!!!!"

You can tell you're winning an argument when you choose to fight on insignificant technicalities and semantics.

havean776 posted...

But that's the thing they don't need to change because the other side really is that evil. I can't afford to take the moral high road when my friends lifes are at stake. It's nice you don't have that problem but understand we are not all as lucky as you.

You say this while Palestinians are actively being genocided with full support from biden. Kindly shut the fuck up about privilege.

Heineken14 posted...

I don't see anyone saying that people SHOULDN'T be pressuring Biden/democrats to do better.

Also, that option isn't on my ballot box.

I mean you're doing it right now by downplaying criticisms with an immediate "but the ballot box". We're all aware of the two-party system that democrats and republicans BOTH love and get all their power from. Bringing up the two-party system that democrats use to their advantage to have that "but the other guy" argument in the first place does nothing other than to deflect responsibility.

Heineken14 posted...

Explain to me what my options are here then. I get out my ballot that is mailed to me for presidential elections. What do I choose to have the best outcome not only for my country but for Palestinians as well?

You could put pressure on democrats to make a change by expressing criticism. Shutting down any and all criticism with "but the other guy" will ensure that democrats feel no need to change.

WingsOfGood posted...

You cannot vote to stop it as it will happen either way.

However Biden is the one who is more open to listen to protest.

Do you understand this?

Listening does jack shit if he's just continuing the genocide against the wishes of even 75% of his own party's voters: https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

Do you understand this?

The upvote/downvote system tends to degenerate into that state. It's not conducive to an environment of discussion because a malicious actor can simply bot votes to promote or sink views depending on whether they agree or disagree with them. It's also why you see a lot of karma farming with low effort copy-pasted posts.

Cemith posted...

Again. This is a fake argument to feel morally superior to everyone else that lives in the two party binary reality.

We want actual change which is the exact reason we can't vote in Trump.

biden has the power to carry out actual change in this situation right now and he won't. If you want actual change, you won't get it with biden. Yes, go ahead and vote for the lesser of two evils, but don't delude yourself into thinking we're going to get actual change in the positive direction.

C_Pain posted...

Nah, their job is to participate in government.

They don't get to participate in government if they don't get the votes.

WingsOfGood posted...

did he not earn the votes by doing everything he did and having as in that image just 2 books on the scale vs. the opposition which literally wants to make himself king?

Voters are telling him he should stop supporting genocide. He should try listening to voters to get their votes.

WingsOfGood posted...

so are they criticizing Trump for supporting genocide or that is not an issue when it comes to him?

If you haven't noticed, biden is the president. He's the one who can actually do something about this right now, or do you think the over a million Palestinians on the verge of starving to death can wait this out until after the election?

C_Pain posted...

No, he quite literally can blame the voters! They're the ones that determine it.

It's literally a politician's job to get votes. They're not owed votes.

Rexdragon125 posted...

So you don't actually give a shit about genocide

Yes I do, which is why I want biden to stop supporting it. Meanwhile you're fine with genocide because "the other guy".

ScazarMeltex posted...

There is no voting strategy for US voters that stops the Israeli genocide of the Palestinian. I wish there was, but there isn't.

No amount of threatening to withhold your vote matters to the dems. Which is bullshit, but it's true. You saw that during the 2016 primary.

Hillary was confronted from the left, faced a far larger primary challenge than literally anyone expected and what did the dems do? Did they address in any meaningful way any of the things that Bernie or his supporters brought up? No. Did they perhaps take it into account when Hillary chose her running mate? LMAO no. They ran the most entitled and hubristic campaign in world and lost. They aren't going to change, they would rather lose than do anything to disrupt the status quo.It sucks, and I fucking hate them for it. You will not get them to change their position.

Thing is, I hate what the fascists will do the people I care about more. You can take your moral highground if you want, and I hope it keeps you warm at night while women are stripped of their bodily automony, trans people are forced to de transition and begin killing themselves in record numbers, and all the other things the GOP has promised to do. Are in fact planning on dismantling the system to the point that it allows them to do so. You'll have your sense of pride though that you didn't vote for Biden while all of that happens though and won't it feel so nice for you.

I'm going to be voting democrat, just like I did in 2016 (and all other times), but if democrats and their diehard supporters actually want democrats to win with the general population, they're going to have to make changes. The fact that democrats are happy to use the threat of republicans as a cudgel to get votes just goes to show how interested they are in actually improving things. The fact is that we're going to be voting for "not the other guy" for the rest of our lives, while things continue to deteriorate because under our system it's impossible for republicans to not win at least every once in a while. Holding the status quo does nothing to counteract that.

LightningThief posted...

Are you claiming anyone who post that meme is part of some deep coordination cabal or something?

Youre hitting conspiracy nut levels if this is your angle.

No one said anything about a cabal. You should try reading.

WingsOfGood posted...

This thread is about voting Trump over Biden or refusing to vote.

It isn't about just telling Biden he should do x or y.

So the image is PERFECT.

It shows people are forgiving and putting wool over their eyes to how disgusting Trump is to simply criticize Biden on one point that Trump is gonna do even worse.

This topic is about the general population of voters. They see a president who full-throatedly supports genocide. Are you that surprised they don't feel like putting in the effort to vote (no matter how small that effort may be)? They're not making calculated moves like you think. There is a very easy way around this, which is to *stop supporting genocide* which comes with the "side" benefit of *not supporting genocide*.

Umbreon posted...

Here comes ""centerist"" toothbrush to wag his finger at Democrats again.

Yes, here comes left-wing toothbrush to wag his finger at right-wing democrats over *their support of genocide*.

WingsOfGood posted...

or maybe some random dude made the picture after seeing a stupid 500 posts thread about how Biden will lose to DONAL TRUMP because Isreal and everyone else who had similar experience saw the image and was like "GOLD" and shared it?

not plausible?

The argument is "biden shouldn't support genocide" and this image is being spammed to pretend the argument is "both sides are the same".

Rexdragon125 posted...

Yes, the other guy is objectively worse about genocide. You tried

"but the other guy"

You didn't even try.

Gwynevere posted...

I'll keep this sentiment in mind for comfort when Trump and the Republicans have a blank check to do whatever they want to queer people, minorities, women seeking abortion, workers seeking to organize, etc.

At least we showed Biden, nice job team

Really makes you think why biden loves genocide so much as to refuse to stop supporting it so that he can get the votes to stop the republicans from doing those things.

WingsOfGood posted...

Y-y-you vote Democrat? Yet you claim this was made by a PR operative?

what even

You don't think democrats have a PR team that posts things online? That I've seen this slick new graphic posted all over the place instantly makes it look like a coordinated PR campaign. That's all I'm saying. It shouldn't distract from the fact that democrats are supporting a genocide.

WingsOfGood posted...

@1337toothbrush

maybe he shouldn't support them but you will still vote for him over Trump right?
right?

RIGHT?????

Yeah, like I've said a trillion times. I vote democrat straight down the ballot every single time. I should still be allowed to criticize them without people jumping down my throat.

LightningThief posted...

I'm stealing this.

You and all the other online democrat operatives. I've seen this image posted all over the place near instantly. It's almost like it's part of a coordinated PR campaign, fresh from the asses of the democrat marketing department.

Rexdragon125 posted...

Let's try again. Trump openly says he wants to be dictator, frequently uses Hitler speeches, threatens Jews, and said he'll finish the job in Gaza. Also, the Palestine issue predates Biden.

Now please try not to dismiss MY concerns and squawk about Biden more

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fd9d0c36.jpg

bluezero posted...

Shhh...the adults are talking.

Yes, I am talking. Are you tugging on my pants to tell me that you approve of biden's support for genocide?

WingsOfGood posted...

so you are literally the guy in the image right?

No, because I didn't say both sides are the same. No one has said both sides are the same. You're just hamfistedly ignoring the actual point of "biden shouldn't support genocide" in favor of the "both sides" strawman.

Oh boy, a snazzy new graphic just dropped courtesy of the geniuses at democrat PR headquarters. The fact that they defend GENOCIDE with "but the other guy" should show you that there is no limit to the depravity they are willing to drop down to as long as they can point at "the other guy". Democrats' entire strategy is helping republicans be as shitty as possible so that democrats themselves have the license to do whatever awful things they want, including supporting GENOCIDE.

We're going to be voting for "not the other guy" until we die. Democrats see no need to actually improve things if they can use ol' reliable "the other guy" as an excuse to never improve things.

Rexdragon125 posted...

Not even addressing what was said, just squawk squawk squawk

I addressed what was said. You dismissed all concerns about genocide as "just magas".

Rexdragon125 posted...

They probably are just magas. This is like the 20th time I've seen this talking point being parroted, and magas are incapable of coming up with a single original thought

So we should ignore *GENOCIDE* and anyone who cares about *GENOCIDE* must be a trump supporter? Democrats ignore people's concerns, dismiss them with "they're either with us or against us", then wonder why they lose. If you want democrats to win, use a better strategy.

ScazarMeltex posted...

This.
Dude is allowing a genocide to happen.
Big Brains: welp better elect the guy who will accelerate the genocide and expand it to LGBTQ people in the US.

The biggest brains: "we shouldn't apply any pressure on the only party that would supposedly be willing to stop the genocide because other guy exists".

Cemith posted...

Are you kidding?

Are you? You're asking why we apply more pressure on the only party that would supposedly be willing to meet our demands. If you want to exit a room, do you apply pressure on a door or a wall? According to your argument, we shouldn't apply pressure to the door, we should be asking ourselves why a wall is harder to overcome.

Cemith posted...

It's always "why are the Democrats so bad" and never-

"Why is the GOP so overwhelmingly monstrous and evil."

Only Democrats are on the hook to change, that's so wack.

Which party do you think would be easier to change to do what we want?

Tanthalas posted...

Thats just an excuse to do nothing.

No it's not, it's just being realistic. I vote in primaries, promote candidates I hope will make a change, vote for ballot proposals that further great causes, etc, but I'm not stupid enough to think I can realistically fight against billions of dollars of opposition.

action52 posted...

Finding excuses to not do anything is 1337toothbrush's M.O.

Your M.O. is to blindly support the democrat party chosen one and attack anyone who writes even the lightest of criticisms against your dear leader.

action52 posted...

Well if you and enough people like you voted in primaries

You mean primaries dominated by democrat favorites like biden thanks to promotion by the party and their big media buddies completely controlling the narrative? You can tell that democrats are receptive to change when they come up with terms like "bernie bros" to silence opposition.