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Kaldrenthebold
04/04/24 2:21:24 PM
#199:


Heineken14 posted...
It's less lecturing and more pointing out the horrendously stupid logic they have.

Seems to be all this ever turns into. Round and around we go.

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WingsOfGood
04/04/24 2:23:07 PM
#200:


Trumble posted...
Okay, but explain how someone not voting at all bears more responsibility for a candidate's actions than someone who specifically voted for the candidate in question.

It doesn't but the point is you are 100% ok with Trump and Project 2025 or you would vote to make sure he doesn't win.
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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 2:23:37 PM
#201:


WingsOfGood posted...
It doesn't but the point is you are 100% ok with Trump and Project 2025 or you would vote to make sure he doesn't win.
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Umbreon
04/04/24 2:24:57 PM
#202:


Trumble posted...
Okay, but explain how someone not voting at all bears more responsibility for a candidate's actions than someone who specifically voted for the candidate in question.


Honestly "fault" is irrelevant in the end.

Either Trump loses, or none of this matters anyway. Figuring out who to blame exactly won't un-Glass Gaza if Trump has his way.

We can figure out what to do now, or talk about what we should have done in the concentration camps.

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Trumble
04/04/24 2:24:57 PM
#203:


WingsOfGood posted...
It doesn't but the point is you are 100% ok with Trump and Project 2025 or you would vote to make sure he doesn't win.
By the same logic, does that mean you are 100% ok with Biden and the Palestinian genocide or you would vote to make sure he doesn't win?

Come on, explain why the same standards don't apply to Biden.

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rynobot
04/04/24 2:25:01 PM
#204:


WingsOfGood posted...
It doesn't but the point is you are 100% ok with Trump and Project 2025 or you would vote to make sure he doesn't win.


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MrMojoRising
04/04/24 2:25:42 PM
#205:


Biden is 100% ok with Trump winning because he's perpetuating the genocide that's making him lose to Trump.

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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 2:25:44 PM
#206:


Trumble posted...
By the same logic, does that mean you are 100% ok with Biden and the Palestinian genocide or you would vote to make sure he doesn't win?

Come on, explain why the same standards don't apply to Biden.
Again, the equivalency here...

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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 2:26:12 PM
#207:


MrMojoRising posted...
Biden is 100% ok with Trump winning because he's perpetuating the genocide that's making him lose to Trump.
Are you going to skip the question asked?

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WingsOfGood
04/04/24 2:26:51 PM
#208:


Trumble posted...
By the same logic, does that mean you are 100% ok with Biden and the Palestinian genocide or you would vote to make sure he doesn't win?

Come on, explain why the same standards don't apply to Biden.

You cannot vote to stop it as it will happen either way.

However Biden is the one who is more open to listen to protest.

Do you understand this?
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Trumble
04/04/24 2:26:57 PM
#209:


Will_VIIII posted...
Again, the equivalency here...
It is equivalent. You seem to think that anyone who doesn't explicitly support Biden is complicit in anything Trump does if he wins; yet that people who outright vote for Biden aren't responsible for his actions. Seems like a blatant double standard to me, especially given that the former is just a lack of opposition whereas the latter is explicit support.

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ssb_yunglink2
04/04/24 2:27:39 PM
#210:


Trumble posted...
By the same logic, does that mean you are 100% ok with Biden and the Palestinian genocide or you would vote to make sure he doesn't win?

Come on, explain why the same standards don't apply to Biden.
The genocide is happening either way. Its horrific, but its where were at. Project 2025 and other atrocities that will directly impact america only happen if Trump wins. The playing field is not level.

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Heineken14
04/04/24 2:27:43 PM
#211:


Trumble posted...
By the same logic, does that mean you are 100% ok with Biden and the Palestinian genocide or you would vote to make sure he doesn't win?

Come on, explain why the same standards don't apply to Biden.

It was explained to you in the last topic you got clowned in. Someone can either vote for Biden or they can not vote for Biden which helps Donnie win.

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Trumble
04/04/24 2:28:18 PM
#212:


WingsOfGood posted...
You cannot vote to stop it as it will happen either way.

However Biden is the one who is more open to listen to protest.

Do you understand this?
Yeah, we have the latest weapons transfers as proof of just how willing Biden is to listen.

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Foppe
04/04/24 2:28:22 PM
#213:


This stupidity reminds me of
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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 2:28:49 PM
#214:


Trumble posted...
It is equivalent. You seem to think that anyone who doesn't explicitly support Biden is complicit in anything Trump does if he wins; yet that people who outright vote for Biden aren't responsible for his actions. Seems like a blatant double standard to me, especially given that the former is just a lack of opposition whereas the latter is explicit support.
If you think the policy we've had with Israel for the last 80 years is equivalent to Trump (the rapist who paraphrases Hitler and tried to overthrow the election results) and project 2025, then it's simply impossible to have any kind of discussion.

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MrMojoRising
04/04/24 2:29:05 PM
#215:


Will_VIIII posted...
Are you going to skip the question asked?

It's been explained to you like 5 different ways how not voting for Biden doesn't mean that you like or are OK with Trump. Your questions aren't worthwhile to answer if you can't get this simple fact down.

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1337toothbrush
04/04/24 2:29:47 PM
#216:


WingsOfGood posted...
You cannot vote to stop it as it will happen either way.

However Biden is the one who is more open to listen to protest.

Do you understand this?
Listening does jack shit if he's just continuing the genocide against the wishes of even 75% of his own party's voters: https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

Do you understand this?

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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 2:30:04 PM
#217:


MrMojoRising posted...
It's been explained to you like 5 different ways how not voting for Biden doesn't mean that you like or are OK with Trump. Your questions aren't worthwhile to answer if you can't get this simple fact down.
Except it's also been explained how you're enabling Trump and project 2025 by not voting Biden.

Because that's the outcome

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Heineken14
04/04/24 2:30:20 PM
#218:


MrMojoRising posted...
It's been explained to you like 5 different ways how not voting for Biden doesn't mean that you like or are OK with Trump. Your questions aren't worthwhile to answer if you can't get this simple fact down.

Not voting for Biden means that while you may not support Donnie being president it is still not something that concerns you with happening.

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Trumble
04/04/24 2:31:00 PM
#219:


Will_VIIII posted...
If you think the policy we've had with Israel for the last 80 years is equivalent to Trump (the rapist who paraphrases Hitler and tried to overthrow the election results) and project 2025, then it's simply impossible to have any kind of discussion.
Supporting a genocide is one of those things that is bad enough on its own that it doesn't matter how many other bad things are or aren't attached. "We've been doing so for a long time" is not a good excuse for it either.

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WingsOfGood
04/04/24 2:31:02 PM
#220:


Trumble posted...
Yeah, we have the latest weapons transfers as proof of just how willing Biden is to listen.

What do you think Trump will do in regards to Israel?

You can pretend like Biden is the only person who exists but that is not reality. You are given a choice of Biden vs. Trump.
You are fully consciously aware of your action that will help or hurt either to be elected.

You disagree with Biden policy on Israel. Ok. Do you then CHOOSE Trump over Biden? Why? What will Trump do instead?

That is why your argument is not genuine.
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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 2:31:03 PM
#221:


Heineken14 posted...
Not voting for Biden means that while you may not support Donnie being president it is still not something that concerns you with happening.
It's not a deal breaker, ultimately.

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Heineken14
04/04/24 2:31:38 PM
#222:


1337toothbrush posted...
Listening does jack shit if he's just continuing the genocide against the wishes of even 75% of his own party's voters: https://news.gallup.com/poll/642695/majority-disapprove-israeli-action-gaza.aspx

Do you understand this?

Explain to me what my options are here then. I get out my ballot that is mailed to me for presidential elections. What do I choose to have the best outcome not only for my country but for Palestinians as well?

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MrMojoRising
04/04/24 2:31:52 PM
#223:


Will_VIIII posted...
Except it's also been explained how you're enabling Trump and project 2025 by not voting Biden.

Because that's the outcome

And Joe made it happen by enabling a genocide.

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WingsOfGood
04/04/24 2:32:05 PM
#224:


MrMojoRising posted...
It's been explained to you like 5 different ways how not voting for Biden doesn't mean that you like or are OK with Trump.

It 100% means that.
If you don't vote for Biden then you increase Trump's chance to win. That means you are OK with Trump winning.
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Trumble
04/04/24 2:32:16 PM
#225:


WingsOfGood posted...
What do you think Trump will do in regards to Israel?

You can pretend like Biden is the only person who exists but that is not reality. You are given a choice of Biden vs. Trump.
You are fully consciously aware of your action that will help or hurt either to be elected.

You disagree with Biden policy on Israel. Ok. Do you then CHOOSE Trump over Biden? Why? What will Trump do instead?

That is why your argument is not genuine.
It is no one's fault but Biden that he chooses to continue supporting Israel. Stop fucking saying people whose support he loses over it are to blame. They are not. He is.

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Heineken14
04/04/24 2:32:53 PM
#226:


Trumble posted...
It is no one's fault but Biden that he chooses to continue supporting Israel. Stop fucking saying people whose support he loses over it are to blame. They are not. He is.

Explain to me what my options are here then. I get out my ballot that is mailed to me for presidential elections. What do I choose to have the best outcome not only for my country but for Palestinians as well?

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Heineken14
04/04/24 2:33:02 PM
#227:


MrMojoRising posted...
And Joe made it happen by enabling a genocide.

Explain to me what my options are here then. I get out my ballot that is mailed to me for presidential elections. What do I choose to have the best outcome not only for my country but for Palestinians as well?

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WingsOfGood
04/04/24 2:33:29 PM
#228:


Trumble posted...
Supporting a genocide is one of those things that is bad enough on its own that it doesn't matter how many other bad things are or aren't attached.


Literally this picture.

WORD FOR WORD

it doesn't matter how many other bad things are or aren't attached.

it doesn't matter how many other bad things are or aren't attached.

it doesn't matter how many other bad things are or aren't attached.

I am actually tired of posting it

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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/ef62e46c.jpg

it doesn't matter how many other bad things are or aren't attached.

it doesn't matter how many other bad things are or aren't attached.

it doesn't matter how many other bad things are or aren't attached.

it doesn't matter how many other bad things are or aren't attached.

it doesn't matter how many other bad things are or aren't attached.

it doesn't matter how many other bad things are or aren't attached.

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hockeybabe89
04/04/24 2:34:06 PM
#229:


MrMojoRising posted...
It's been explained to you like 5 different ways how not voting for Biden doesn't mean that you like or are OK with Trump. Your questions aren't worthwhile to answer if you can't get this simple fact down.
But it's enabling a Trump win since there are literally 2 viable options in any American presidential election. Not voting for Biden implies you are ok with what happens under a Trump presidency.

Casting a vote for the person who isn't Trump clearly bothers you more than a Trump America.

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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 2:34:13 PM
#230:


MrMojoRising posted...
And Joe made it happen by enabling a genocide.

No, its your actions (or supposed inaction) here

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Trumble
04/04/24 2:34:17 PM
#231:


WingsOfGood posted...
It 100% means that.
If you don't vote for Biden then you increase Trump's chance to win. That means you are OK with Trump winning.
"We're allowed to decide what we do and don't support from our guy, and still vote for him while claiming to be against the stuff we don't like. But if you don't vote for anyone at all, you're automatically deemed at least okay with the guy who isn't our one."

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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 2:35:13 PM
#232:


Trumble posted...
"We're allowed to decide what we do and don't support from our guy, and still vote for him while claiming to be against the stuff we don't like. But if you don't vote for anyone at all, you're automatically deemed at least okay with the guy who isn't our one."

Got it. Trump being president again and Project 2025 are outcomes you can tolerate.

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Trumble
04/04/24 2:35:35 PM
#233:


hockeybabe89 posted...
But it's enabling a Trump win since there are literally 2 viable options in any American presidential election. Not voting for Biden implies you are ok with what happens under a Trump presidency.

Casting a vote for the person who isn't Trump clearly bothers you more than a Trump America.
Then voting specifically for Biden implies you are in favor of what happens under a Biden presidency.

You can't have it both ways. If those who support no one are responsible for the winner's actions, those who specifically support a candidate are responsible for that candidate's actions.

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WingsOfGood
04/04/24 2:35:42 PM
#234:


Will_VIIII posted...
Got it. Trump being president again and Project 2025 are outcomes you can tolerate.

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IceCreamOnStero
04/04/24 2:35:47 PM
#235:


"People who find it unconscionable to vote for a genocide enabler are not to blame for an election" seems like a really easy take to justify.

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hockeybabe89
04/04/24 2:36:02 PM
#236:


Trumble posted...
Supporting a genocide is one of those things that is bad enough on its own that it doesn't matter how many other bad things are or aren't attached. "We've been doing so for a long time" is not a good excuse for it either.
Gaza is getting genocided either way. Guess it depends on whether or not you think everyone in America deserves to be (metaphorically?) shot in the head in retaliation/solidarity.

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havean776
04/04/24 2:36:13 PM
#237:


MrMojoRising posted...
It's been explained to you like 5 different ways how not voting for Biden doesn't mean that you like or are OK with Trump. Your questions aren't worthwhile to answer if you can't get this simple fact down.
So what your saying is you hope enougth people vote for Biden for him to win but don't want to do it yourself so you can have some kind of moral superiour complex over them?

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Heineken14
04/04/24 2:36:23 PM
#238:


IceCreamOnStero posted...
"People who find it unconscionable to vote for a genocide enabler are not to blame for an election" seems like a really easy take to justify.

Explain to me what my options are here then. I get out my ballot that is mailed to me for presidential elections. What do I choose to have the best outcome not only for my country but for Palestinians as well?

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ssb_yunglink2
04/04/24 2:36:33 PM
#239:


Trumble posted...
"We're allowed to decide what we do and don't support from our guy, and still vote for him while claiming to be against the stuff we don't like. But if you don't vote for anyone at all, you're automatically deemed at least okay with the guy who isn't our one."
Yes. If you dont take specific action against Trump, youre at the very least okay with him. Glad you understand.

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Umbreon
04/04/24 2:37:10 PM
#240:


Inaction is approval of oppression.

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1337toothbrush
04/04/24 2:38:12 PM
#241:


Heineken14 posted...
Explain to me what my options are here then. I get out my ballot that is mailed to me for presidential elections. What do I choose to have the best outcome not only for my country but for Palestinians as well?
You could put pressure on democrats to make a change by expressing criticism. Shutting down any and all criticism with "but the other guy" will ensure that democrats feel no need to change.

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IceCreamOnStero
04/04/24 2:38:14 PM
#242:


Heineken14 posted...
Explain to me what my options are here then. I get out my ballot that is mailed to me for presidential elections. What do I choose to have the best outcome not only for my country but for Palestinians as well?
None of that relates to my statement.

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havean776
04/04/24 2:38:28 PM
#243:


Trumble posted...
"We're allowed to decide what we do and don't support from our guy, and still vote for him while claiming to be against the stuff we don't like. But if you don't vote for anyone at all, you're automatically deemed at least okay with the guy who isn't our one."
This is correct if you are not voting against trump than taht means that by your inaction you are perfectly fine with him winning.
Overwise you seem to just hope taht enougth people are less moral than you and vote for Biden so you can lord it over them but not sully yourself.

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hockeybabe89
04/04/24 2:38:38 PM
#244:


Trumble posted...
Then voting specifically for Biden implies you are in favor of what happens under a Biden presidency.

You can't have it both ways. If those who support no one are responsible for the winner's actions, those who specifically support a candidate are responsible for that candidate's actions.
Shut the fuck up. You are wrong about everything and you should move out of America if you can't handle easy decisions like voting against Trump.

Fuck Biden. You have to vote to protect the most people. That means voting for the person against Trump, who happens to be Biden.

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Will_VIIII
04/04/24 2:38:41 PM
#245:


Like do we really gotta explain cause and effect here?

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Shadow_Don
04/04/24 2:38:43 PM
#246:


Heineken14 posted...
Explain to me what my options are here then. I get out my ballot that is mailed to me for presidential elections. What do I choose to have the best outcome not only for my country but for Palestinians as well?

That's not fair trumble still doesn't know what 3rd party candidates are even running

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havean776
04/04/24 2:39:23 PM
#247:


1337toothbrush posted...
You could put pressure on democrats to make a change by expressing criticism. Shutting down any and all criticism with "but the other guy" will ensure that democrats feel no need to change.
But that's the thing they don't need to change because the other side really is that evil. I can't afford to take the moral high road when my friends lifes are at stake. It's nice you don't have that problem but understand we are not all as lucky as you.

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Umbreon
04/04/24 2:39:49 PM
#248:


Shadow_Don posted...
That's not fair trumble still doesn't know what 3rd party candidates are even running

He doesn't have to. Not his country, not his problem.

Must be nice.

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