Current Events > So I googled the girl I'm supposed to go out with. She has BPD

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The abuse is linked to the condition! You can't make the separation at least in the context of this thread

Sad_Face posted...

It is unfortunate, but do recognize that posters are prioritizing their own well being first and foremost, hence their direct and blunt statements. People's decisions will be motivated by self preservation unless they have a grander vision or care about some cause or someone more.

My mental health, confidence and self esteem were shattered because I deluded myself into thinking that my abusive partners would change.

The initial manipulation was successful. I was tricked into thinking that they weren't abusive, manipulative people, but amazing women full of love and positivity, who were just dealing with a very unfortunate and serious personality disorder.

My last ex burned bridges with three different (and very expensive) therapists in her area, because of the lying and manipulation. I was invited to sit in on a session and provide feedback, and it turned into a shitstorm. She didn't expect me to bring up the fact that I was being abused. The therapist had this distinct "aaaand here it is" expression, before my ex got flustered and started to sloppily accuse me of gaslighting. When that didn't work, she started to accuse me of being selfish and only caring about myself, because I didn't want to be abused and constantly insulted.

Mearcstapa posted...

Why is it called "borderline" personality disorder anyway?

borderline of what?

It's right on the border of many other personality disorders. Scientists used to think "This is major depression, no it's anxiety, no it's schizophrenia, no it's antisocial" etc.

averagejoel posted...

most people don't have the proper context to fit your anecdotes into. what you are doing is misleading and stigmatizing.

It's not really misleading to talk about my personal experiences. People with BPD are factually more likely to abuse their partners. No, it's not 100%, but it'd be lying to say that it's not an elevated risk.

I'm not, in any way, suggesting that people with BPD are unworthy or are incapable of love--I'm just saying that it's a risk to get romantically involved...because factually, it is a risk compared to the general population.

Flockaveli posted...

It's right on the border of many other personality disorders. Scientists used to think "This is major depression, no it's anxiety, no it's schizophrenia, no it's antisocial" etc.

I think it was originally Borderline Psychosis Disorder

They were all like 'yo, you should institutionalized, but yet you don't...you're acting like you're in so much distress but yet you hold a job fine, have relationships, and overall contribute to society. Your personal life is a hella mess, but you're like on the edge fam...'

The absolute worst experience I had was with someone who had BPD. By far, some of the worst experiences in my life. Shes the only person I look back on and say I wish I never met her. I will never travel down that road again.

CRON posted...

I feel like I can't open up without peoples' main concern being "don't stigmatize them!",

Yeah, thatll happen when you explicitly say that all people with BPD are inherently unfixable monsters who will ruin the lives of everyone they interact with

Im not sure why youre acting so shocked that people are calling you out on that

MrToothHasYou posted...

Cluster B personality disorders get a bad rap

The get a bad rap because they are bad. Take Narcissistic Personality Disorder for example. NPD is completely untreatable beyond managing surface symptoms, and the "sufferers" have no empathy and believe they are god. No matter what your relationship--parent, child, sibling--you are just a lump of meat to be used. Do you think psychopaths are getting a bad rap too?

Plenty of serial killers had a Cluster B personality disorder, including BPD specifically. So, yes, it actually can make you a serial killer (unless you think murder is a pass time of the psychologically healthy). Part of the problem is that if you have one disorder, you can have pieces of the other or comorbid symptoms like psychosis. It's not particularly likely, but it does happen and it is wrong to undersell the range of potential severity.

I see we have at least one poster in this topic claiming to have BPD and who is angry at all this negative talk. Well. I hope that you actually are in treatment like you claim, and that it is making you a better and happier person. Because one of the hallmark behaviors is claiming you are absolutely not like the stigma even though you really do the same things everyone complains about. Bonus points if you make such a claim minutes or even seconds after being abusive. BPD is hard to treat and not many people actually do the work.

And even among those that do, there is a serious lack of self-awareness. You keep talking about wanting to kick our teeth in. Do you have the capacity to acknowledge to acknowledge that at least some folks with BPD are abusive, and that some folks might have justifiable concerns? Can you look at your own behavior seriously and admit that you have, at times, not treated other people well and want to do better? If so, great! You are 100% not the kind of person I'm talking about, and I'm happy for you.

But it's nobody's job to fix another person, and everyone has the right to tap out of a relationship when it is no good. They also have the right to dodge a relationship entirely if they see a problem with trying to start it. My personal experience is that folks who make their personality disorder something they wear on their sleeves uses it as an excuse for horrid behavior. Some people might be proactively healthy about it, but I've never seen that. My family and friends cover quite a few personality disorders, and though I do love those people, it's kind of horrible in a soul crushing way.

It's a different story if the behavior isn't too bad and they are working on it, but I and many others just have never seen that. I'm happy for the people that are in a good place and can make it work. God knows I wish the people around me could have gotten help and actually loved me back, but it never happened and the abuse was horrid.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

My ex with BPD cheated on me several times, screamed at me like 40% of the time no matter how hard I tried to keep her happy, and broke up with me at least once a month.

It was the most disastrous relationship I've ever had, and it's not even close.

The weird thing is, if not for for abusive bullshit, she was very cool. Very sweet. Made me happy 60% of the time, but that 40% of the time she was in disaster mode, my life was essentially unlivable.

BignutzisBack posted...

This is really disturbing, as it mirrors exactly the experience I've had with someone who had borderline personality disorder, as well as my friends who dated girls with borderline personality disorder

--Zero- posted...

Had an ex that was very similar. Seemed like every other month shed get pissed at me and id come home from work to her having her things packed ready to leave me. She left me for her previous ex and got pregnant with him so I dodged a bullet when she finally let me free. Women with BPD in my experience is like getting on a roller coaster without the seatbelt tightened and it was easy to get stuck.

yemmy posted...

I've had relationships with 3 women in which had some serious personality disorders, only one of them was diagnosed with BPD (or at least shared the diagnosis of it), but all 3 did a lot of the same things, and all 3 had some sort of childhood abuse or severe neglect.

People outside of these relationships make fun of the "I can fix her" thing, but when you are young and immature and the sex is so good, sometimes you actually think that, but no it is not happening.

^These are all VERY real things that really do happen in real life.
I've heard VERY similar stories from multiple people who have dated someone with BPD.
In other words, TC needs to take extreme caution if they decide to go further with this situation and actually go out on a date and proceed beyond that.

Also...

Unsugarized_Foo posted...

Weird to Google someone and see they have BPD

But BPD is on a slider from my experience. You can have someone who's crazy, shits on beds, and mean as a snake and have someone who's in treatment and can manage.

You'll never see how far the rabbit hole goes unless you observe their closest relationships or become one

I'd say go for it if you're a stable person yourself. Run away if you're a codependent

It is true that BPD is on a slider.
It also strongly depends if the person is medicated or not.
Definitely something to consider.
HOWEVER, TC also needs to consider the possibility that they might be walking into a situation where the slider is cranked all the way to one extreme side. Or maybe it won't, maybe it will be a slight thing where the BPD is barely noticeable. But TC seriously needs to be on guard and take caution if they decide to go out with this woman.

It could be a normal situation,
Or TC might find themselves in this situation below (see pic below) in the future (and if anyone has been following the current court case, it was revealed she had BPD):

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/9/9/AAZVFDAADNd_.jpg

Buncha anti-risk cowards and anecdotal information in here, looks like.

Never change, CE.

Heartomaton posted...

Buncha anti-risk cowards

Leaving my abusers and knowing not to repeat the same mistakes doesn't make me a "coward".

Not wanting other people to fall into abusive relationships after love-bombing manipulation doesn't make me a "coward".

CRON posted...

My mental health, confidence and self esteem were s***tered because I deluded myself into thinking that my abusive partners would change.

The initial manipulation was successful. I was tricked into thinking that they weren't abusive, manipulative people, but amazing women full of love and positivity, who were just dealing with a very unfortunate and serious personality disorder.

My last ex burned bridges with three different (and very expensive) therapists in her area, because of the lying and manipulation. I was invited to sit in on a session and provide feedback, and it turned into a s***storm. She didn't expect me to bring up the fact that I was being abused. The therapist had this distinct "aaaand here it is" expression, before my ex got flustered and started to sloppily accuse me of gaslighting. When that didn't work, she started to accuse me of being selfish and only caring about myself, because I didn't want to be abused and constantly insulted.

You gave your all and did what you could to make the relationship work. But even in a world where mental health is a major issue for a significant percentage of the population, this disorder is not to be taken likely as the risk of a relationship failing and leaving you traumatized is not an insignificant percentage.

But because we have posters here struggling with BPD like dear Betty over there, and I want to believe that no one is unlovable or undeserving of happiness, I think it's apt to attempt to find some middle ground here. Saying that you should censor yourself out of fear of stigmatizing the disorder is lazy and counterproductive (imagine if I were trying to get you into crypto but said "no no no, stop talking about NFTs or Elon pumping Dogecoin!!!", would you take me seriously?) so let's to approach it a different way.

Your ex at the very least went to therapy, did her family pay for the therapists or did she pay out of pocket? I ask to gauge how seriously she took her disorder. What kind of effort did she put in to manage her disorder?

And if you were to meet a guy who finds himself in Gobstopper's origin story, who considered himself foreveralone until he meets this wonderful girl who deemed him worthy but is diagnosed with BPD (and you know he won't listen to any warning at this point due to finally getting the validation he always waned), what boundaries would you recommend he set that mean if broken, that means the end of the relationship to save himself the heartache you had?

You're worried about getting into an abusive relationship. You found something that's got you thinking about it a lot, and while you know the stigma isn't a 100% accurate prediction, maybe even some people you know had a bad experience.

So plan now for what abusive behaviors are red lines for you. You can decide now that you'll walk at the first sign of violence. You can come up with questions to ask your friends about whether you're changing in a bad way regularly until you feel comfortable in the relationship.

Remember, the disorder isn't the problem, just behaviors. A person with a BPD diagnosis deserves a fair chance. If their behaviors cross your line, then you've given it to them and have no obligation anymore.

It's also possible you'll always be too worried about this. You might decide to end a relationship for that reason of you can't see yourself being happy in it. That's on you, but it could still be the best thing for you both. Do keep an open mind.

CRON posted...

Leaving my abusers and knowing not to repeat the same mistakes doesn't make me a "coward".

Not wanting other people to fall into abusive relationships after love-bombing manipulation doesn't make me a "coward".

Didn't say those things are what did it.

It's the whole "Oh she has BPD... better just break things off before you have an iota more info" sentiment.

That's what did it.

Heartomaton posted...

It's the whole "Oh she has BPD... better just break things off before you have an iota more info" sentiment.

That's what did it.

That sentiment does come off as presumptuous. I apologize.

That said, if you receive information that a potential date/partner has a personality disorder in which a significant amount of its sufferers display abusive and manipulative behavior, all while being one of the most difficult-to-treat disorders... I don't know what to tell you.

It doesn't help that a lot of BPD relationships are started and often anchored by the manipulative practice of "love bombing". One of my old therapists told me all about it, and it made complete sense when I first heard it. Coming from my own experiences, I don't want people to fall for the love bombing tactic and get sucked into an abusive relationship.

darkmaian23 posted...

And even among those that do, there is a serious lack of self-awareness. You keep talking about wanting to kick our teeth in. Do you have the capacity to acknowledge to acknowledge that at least some folks with BPD are abusive, and that some folks might have justifiable concerns? Can you look at your own behavior seriously and admit that you have, at times, not treated other people well and want to do better? If so, great! You are 100% not the kind of person I'm talking about, and I'm happy for you.

I'm glad you brought this up, this left a sour taste in my mouth but I ignored it to ask questions to give them a fighting chance. Problem is the defenders here aren't even trying to bring up points on the other side.

Given a lot of people in this topic have personal experiences to share for advice to TC l would say the point to be taken from all the experiences is if TC was to date this person they should take caution and read up on what might occur.

As for the people getting defensive, why? Do you have different experiences? Do you think BPD isnt a difficult mental health illness? Do you have it yourself? Have you experienced it personally? I havent read a lot of reasons from those posts.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

It's not really misleading to talk about my personal experiences. People with BPD are factually more likely to abuse their partners. No, it's not 100%, but it'd be lying to say that it's not an elevated risk.

I'm not, in any way, suggesting that people with BPD are unworthy or are incapable of love--I'm just saying that it's a risk to get romantically involved...because factually, it is a risk compared to the general population.

first: [citation needed]

second: even if there's a higher chance of it occurring, that doesn't mean the abuse from the partner is directly attributable to the BPD

averagejoel posted...

second: even if there's a higher chance of it occurring, that doesn't mean the abuse from the partner is directly attributable to the BPD

You're correct. It's not like someone just develops a personality order and becomes abusive.

That said, based on my experiences, the experiences of others, the experiences of people in a support group I went to, and the experiences of others online... abusive, toxic, angry, manipulative behavior seems to be consistent with people who have BPD.

Again, at that support group, literally every single person raised their hands when the person who led it asked us if we were ever abused. Everyone shared their stories over the course of two meetings and everyone had almost identical stories of how they were manipulated and abused. When I was looking for support and advice online, every story I read felt like the same experiences I had.

CRON posted...

That sentiment does come off as presumptuous. I apologize.

That said, if you receive information that a potential date/partner has a personality disorder in which a significant amount of its sufferers display abusive and manipulative behavior, all while being one of the most difficult-to-treat disorders... I don't know what to tell you.

It doesn't help that a lot of BPD relationships are started and often anchored by the manipulative practice of "love bombing". One of my old therapists told me all about it, and it made complete sense when I first heard it. Coming from my own experiences, I don't want people to fall for the love bombing tactic and get sucked into an abusive relationship.

It's understandable. My whole point is just that no one, not even those of you who have dated people who have BPD, know for sure that an entirely different BPD sufferer is going to behave in the same way as the ones from your negative experiences.

You do have more experience on the subject, that is undeniable. But that just gives you a more informed perspective, not a definitive one.

I'm not saying that people should completely disregard certain mental illnesses as red flags for possible relationships. That's irresponsible. What I am saying, is that anyone in that situation should at least try to learn more about the individual in question before writing them off.

You won't know whether you have someone with a manageable case or a completely unpredictable one until you gather more info, and immediately fleeing the situation because you're not prepared for a small risk like a date or two to gather said info is shitty.

No, don't stick around if those flags turn out to be legitimate, but don't just run away because they're there.

As for the coward comment, that was meant more for the people posting in here who act like they already know how this is going to play out for TC, despite being so far removed from this specific situation that they might as well be watching a soap opera. Sorry.

CRON posted...

You're correct. It's not like someone just develops a personality order and becomes abusive.

That said, based on my experiences, the experiences of others, the experiences of people in a support group I went to, and the experiences of others online... abusive, toxic, angry, manipulative behavior seems to be consistent with people who have BPD.

Again, at that support group, literally every single person raised their hands when the person who led it asked us if we were ever abused. Everyone shared their stories over the course of two meetings and everyone had almost identical stories of how they were manipulated and abused. When I was looking for support and advice online, every story I read felt like the same experiences I had.

"data" is not the plural of "anecdote"

Heartomaton posted...

It's understandable. My whole point is just that no one, not even those of you who have dated people who have BPD, know for sure that an entirely different BPD sufferer is going to behave in the same way as the ones from your negative experiences.

You do have more experience on the subject, that is undeniable. But that just gives you a more informed perspective, not a definitive one.

I understand this. It's anectdotal, coming from my experience. What makes this different is how, again, as I've repeatedly mentioned, so many different people in the same situation have had the exact same experiences, down to the manipulation tactics and insults being identical.

I haven't heard anyone claim to have any remotely positive experiences with people who have BPD, outside the context of being manipulated by the love-bombing tactic.

Whenever this gets brought up outside a relatively "safe" environment for people who were abused by people with BPD, the conversation immediately turns into victims being demonized for stigmatizing and generalizing people with BPD, despite there being an overwhelming amount of horror stories.

The most ironic part is with my two abusive ex's, both of them barely acknowledged the existence of their BPD, save for them using it as an excuse to justify their abuse and devaluation tactics. Never apologize, but simply justify it.

averagejoel posted...

"data" is not the plural of "anecdote"

Yes, the shared experiences that me and so many other victims of abuse have are just anectdotes. Meaningless anectdotes that are just stories. All just coincidental.

CRON posted...

Yes, the shared experiences that me and so many other victims of abuse have are just anectdotes. Meaningless anectdotes that are just stories. All just coincidental.

essentially, yes. that is literally the purpose of data. if you assume that your experiences involving people with BPD are universal because you've encountered 50 other people who have had similar experiences, you are literally reinforcing the stigma surrounding it

CRON posted...

I understand this. It's anectdotal, coming from my experience. What makes this different is how, again, as I've repeatedly mentioned, so many different people in the same situation have had the exact same experiences, down to the manipulation tactics and insults being identical.

I haven't heard anyone claim to have any remotely positive experiences with people who have BPD, outside the context of being manipulated by the love-bombing tactic.

Whenever this gets brought up outside a relatively "safe" environment for people who were abused by people with BPD, the conversation immediately turns into victims being demonized for stigmatizing and generalizing people with BPD, despite there being an overwhelming amount of horror stories.

The most ironic part is with my two abusive ex's, both of them barely acknowledged the existence of their BPD, save for them using it as an excuse to justify their abuse and devaluation tactics. Never apologize, but simply justify it.

I get that. I may not have been in either situation myself, but I am sorry that a lot of people have had extremely negative experiences with BPD sufferers, and I do acknowledge that it IS a huge risk to start an actual relationship with one.

I'm strictly saying that you (collective you, not singular or specific) can't just act like they're all the same because they have the same mental disorder.

Be as cautious as you see fit, that's fine. The sheer number of negative experiences others have had shouldn't be discounted, but I say that should make you more wary, not make you completely avoid another person.

Does literally anyone have a good experience dating someone with BPD to counter the negative anecdotes?

Like we have people saying, "this was terrible" and other people saying, "well you don't know if it's always terrible" and it's just a meaningless point. People refuse to date others over much less severe red flags.

Hoodroar posted...

Does literally anyone have a good experience dating someone with BPD to counter the negative anecdotes?

Like we have people saying, "this was terrible" and other people saying, "well you don't know if it's always terrible" and it's just a meaningless point. People refuse to date others over much less severe red flags.

This is what frustrates me. I've personally never seen any instance of people having a good or even remotely positive story involving being in a relationship with someone suffering from BPD.

The discourse, at least these days, always seems to be between people who have been victims of abuse, and people dismissing it as "ahem, you're generalizing. Not everyone with BPD is an abuser".

I don't want people to be abused. I don't want people to fall victim to manipulation tactics and suffer.

--Zero- posted...

As for the people getting defensive, why? Do you have different experiences? Do you think BPD isnt a difficult mental health illness? Do you have it yourself? Have you experienced it personally? I havent read a lot of reasons from those posts.

My best friend is diagnosed with it. She's very clingy and quick to essentially lock herself away and cry if she feels a relationship is being threatened. She does it on a friendship level as well. It's never been abusive. Just makes her feel like shit if I'm hanging out with another friend too much or something. Her "abuse" is complete directed towards herself.

She does the same thing with guys that she dates as well. None of them have ever led me to believe that she's outwardly abusive towards them. They've mentioned that she gets super clingy or depressed when she's insecure though.

On the upside, people she loves. She really loves. It makes you feel very special. I'm not dating her so it's not suffocating or anything, so it's a pleasure to be around.

This is what a pretty mild case of bps looks like. I mentioned it on the first page but didn't go into detail.

Jiek_Fafn posted...

On the upside, people she loves. She really loves. It makes you feel very special. I'm not dating her so it's not suffocating or anything, so it's a pleasure to be around.

This is what hooks people in. I was foolish enough to fall for it twice. This behavior is called "love bombing". It's very popular with people who suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder as well.

Because of the emotional highs and lows, the "love bombing" will always get followed up with devaluation. One moment you're being told you're the greatest thing since sliced bead; a minute later you're being bombarded with petty insults and threats. You can't say or do anything about that, because you have to walk on eggshells, and any miniscule thing can trigger their anger.

Both my abusive ex's did this, and my sibling (undiagnosed, checks every box on the list though) does the same thing in an obviously non-romantic context towards relatives and friends.

What's the worst thing she can do? Shit on your bed?

Give her a chance.

Also obligatory IS SHE HOT?!

CRON posted...

This is what hooks people in. I was foolish enough to fall for it twice. This behavior is called "love bombing". It's very popular with people who suffer from Narcissistic Personality Disorder as well.

Because of the emotional highs and lows, the "love bombing" will always get followed up with devaluation. One moment you're being told you're the greatest thing since sliced bead; a minute later you're being bombarded with petty insults and threats.

The second paragraph isn't an always with bpd. You're describing the more severe end. You've most likely dealt with people with the mild symptoms. They just weren't memorable.

Just get a counselor if you're needing real advice, preferably one that's good with BPD

Hoodroar posted...

Does literally anyone have a good experience dating someone with BPD to counter the negative anecdotes?

Like we have people saying, "this was terrible" and other people saying, "well you don't know if it's always terrible" and it's just a meaningless point. People refuse to date others over much less severe red flags.

CRON posted...

This is what frustrates me. I've personally never seen any instance of people having a good or even remotely positive story involving being in a relationship with someone suffering from BPD.

The discourse, at least these days, always seems to be between people who have been victims of abuse, and people dismissing it as "ahem, you're generalizing. Not everyone with BPD is an abuser".

I don't want people to be abused. I don't want people to fall victim to manipulation tactics and suffer.

Honestly, the best you are going to get is people like myself and others (I think Gobs said this earlier in the topic) where 60% of the time she was the most wonderful thing ever, but the other 40% she was Satan. I would put my personal experience at a slightly different percentage. 75% of the time she was the greatest and most kindest person I have ever known. However, 25% of the time she was the damn Devil and did some truly horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE things. While 25% of the time might not sound like a lot, it is when that 25% makes you feel like a lobster being dipped into 300 degree boiling water. It's bad. REALLY bad.

To put this in video game terms (since this is primarily a video game website), pick your favorite game or one of your favorite games of all time (Elden Ring, Mario 64, Final Fantasy 7, whatever). Imagine if 75% of the time you were allowed to play your favorite game... you are going to be in a great mood and be very happy, obviously. But imagine if the other 25% of the time your console / PC / portable / whatever decides to NOT let you play your game and instead decides to threaten to erase your save file, proceeds to ELECTROCUTE you, starts shooting feces at you, starts cursing you the fuck out while it threatens to smoother you with a pillow over your face while you sleep, and pull a bunch of other shit that makes the computer from 2001 Space Odyssey look like a Care Bear in comparison. Yeah, it's only happening 25 times out of 100, but it's still pretty fucking severe.

Now, is what I'm saying anecdotal? Yes, I don't have hard statistics that I threw together using hard data and a statistics computer program to back up what I'm saying. However, to paraphrase an old story, if someone asks 10 people if they should go into a town and almost all those people start screaming warnings while telling their personal experiences with that town and saying there is some horrible shit that they personally experienced in that town, it would be very wise to NOT ignore those stories and take them into very strong consideration on whether one should be entering that town or turning the car around and trying to go somewhere else.

I cancelled the date.

I would give them a chance. If they are self aware and trying to manage and getting medicated, then it can work. But it's not your job to manage them or to make them happy.

if you don't want to take a chance, that's fine..Obviously don't tell her why.

Im gonna get buried and overlooked cause the topic is too long and i didnt read any of it however i do have some input

BPD comes off as a very scary sign for a relationship for a reason. Its true. However! It all depends on YOUR personality and how you two connect with eachother

if it works out it can work out beautifully and be mutually beneficial

Conflict doing a lot of talk about something they dont know shit about, lol.

BPD is worse than someone that suffers from being bi polar. Its not like dealing with severe depression or anxiety. BPD is one of the hardest mental illnesses to deal with on average.

TC gave us the update this topic needed.

All I see is a lot of talk with no substance.

We can all move on now since TC made the right choice.

As someone who dated a girl with BPD, and someone with an aunt who has BPD, my advice is to think very carefully before entering a relationship with this individual.

Gobstoppers12 posted...

My ex with BPD cheated on me several times, screamed at me like 40% of the time no matter how hard I tried to keep her happy, and broke up with me at least once a month.

It was the most disastrous relationship I've ever had, and it's not even close.

The weird thing is, if not for for abusive bullshit, she was very cool. Very sweet. Made me happy 60% of the time, but that 40% of the time she was in disaster mode, my life was essentially unlivable.

Holy crap that was my experience exactly.

--Zero- posted...

Conflict doing a lot of talk about something they dont know shit about, lol.

BPD is worse than someone that suffers from being bi polar. Its not like dealing with severe depression or anxiety. BPD is one of the hardest mental illnesses to deal with on average.

TC gave us the update this topic needed.

imagine the people that have it. It's even harder for them. It's no wonder mental illnesses are still stigmatized/taboo and people are so depressed and kill themselves.