Board 8 > Coronavirus Topic 5: rNaught Your GrandDaddy's Virus

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i mean, "BUILD THE WALL" isn't exactly the same as "THERE'S A TERRIBLE PANDEMIC GOING ON AND I WANT ALL THE CHURCHES OPEN IN A FEW WEEKS." i can at least see the appeal of the former, even if i don't agree with it.

A lot of people don't realize how serious this is and want to believe that the government is doing what's necessary to protect them. Trump will also probably get credit for the successful actions of governors that are actually helping.

Unfortunately I think we're gonna have some cities go really bad, though (NYC might already be going over the edge, and the states that are currently refusing to make hard decisions might join them); at that point it's gonna be pretty fucking hard to ignore.

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He's standing up for Christian values.

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https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1242590136422076416?s=20

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1242587104330350592?s=20

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Geez, that's rough. That's an uptick from yesterday, right? Doesn't seem to be slowing down yet in that part of the world.

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Raka_Putra posted...

Geez, that's rough. That's an uptick from yesterday, right? Doesn't seem to be slowing down yet in that part of the world.

That's a major increase and puts them on par with Italy and possibly about to explode past them.

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Looks like "Brazil's Trump" is being an even bigger dumbass than the original model:

https://twitter.com/euanmarshall/status/1242598016110014464

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....how in the fuck did spain just skyrocket to that.
i know they had a march a few weeks ago but GODDAMN.


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LordoftheMorons posted...

Looks like "Brazil's Trump" is being an even bigger dumbass than the original model:

https://twitter.com/euanmarshall/status/1242598016110014464

Yeah it really is exposing the insane sort of mindset it takes to rise to power in most major countries
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Spain had an international women's march on the 8th. that's probably what a lot of this is coming from.
Spain's rate for the past week, new infections/new deaths.

3/17:
1236, 149

3/18:
1890, 25

3/19:
2378, 129

3/20:
1903, 169

3/21:
3355, 233

3/23:
4517, 462

3/24:
7000~, 680

double every 3 days.


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So I just read that Disney Land and Disney World plan on re-opening April 1st.

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TheRock1525 posted...

So I just read that Disney Land and Disney World plan on re-opening April 1st.

Getting infected is the ultimate prank.

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TheRock1525 posted...

So I just read that Disney Land and Disney World plan on re-opening April 1st.

The ultimate April fool's joke: "We disinfected the park."

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TheRock1525 posted...

So I just read that Disney Land and Disney World plan on re-opening April 1st.

Disney World unlikely before April 10th but Disney Land is unlikely period for awhile. Universal just extended their downtime.

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Larry Summers weighs in to note that lifting suppression measures too early will actually not save the economy, but instead give us the worst of both worlds:

https://twitter.com/JustinWolfers/status/1242625980642004992

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Well, my boss said to me he doesn't care what Trump says, we're not going back into the office until May at the earliest. lol

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Well, my boss said to me he doesn't care what Trump says, we're not going back into the office until May at the earliest. lol

Any job that can work from home has no excuse not to continue doing so no matter what. Trump doesn't want you to go back to the office if you can work from home. He wants you to be working period. Lol.

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Just got an email that they're going to start taking our temperatures when we come in starting tomorrow

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I dunno, he wants you to go to church even though you can worship from home
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Corrik7 posted...

Any job that can work from home has no excuse not to continue doing so no matter what. Trump doesn't want you to go back to the office if you can work from home. He wants you to be working period. Lol.

I mean the dude wants everyone to cram into a church on Easter in a couple weeks, so it kind of seems like to me he wants everything to operate as it did before the pandemic.

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Jakyl25 posted...

I dunno, he wants you to go to church even though you can worship from home

From what I understand, Trump set Easter as a goal date. Trying to provide hope. If we aren't ready by then, he probably sets another goal date.


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Corrik7 posted...

From what I understand, Trump set Easter as a goal date. Trying to provide hope. If we aren't ready by then, he probably sets another goal date.

Do YOU think thats a realistic goal date?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Do YOU think thats a realistic goal date?

I think he isn't trying to pick out a realistic goal date. I think he is trying to give the American people something to look to as hope to not despair. Then if it doesn't look realistic, he can point to why it isn't realistic anymore with current ongoing things to set a new date with another goal of hope.

I do think he is trying to figure out how to get people back to work though, just as Cuomo has pointed to the last few days with New York also.

I don't think he is going to actually have huge Easter masses though.

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Well obviously he cant force people to have them
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Corrik7 posted...

From what I understand, Trump set Easter as a goal date. Trying to provide hope. If we aren't ready by then, he probably sets another goal date.

So what you're saying is Trump is the personification of "moving the goal posts?"

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Corrik7 posted...

I think he isn't trying to pick out a realistic goal date. I think he is trying to give the American people something to look to as hope to not despair. Then if it doesn't look realistic, he can point to why it isn't realistic anymore with current ongoing things to set a new date with another goal of hope.

This hurts my head so much.

That's literally the opposite of hope.

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Or Trump is Monokuma. That is another possibility.

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FFDragon posted...

So what you're saying is Trump is the personification of "moving the goal posts?"

Sure. I think he is setting goal dates. Hoping we make them. But, if not willing to set new goals. Keep people focused with end of the light of the tunnel and hope.

Fauci has outright stated that Trump has listened to him and never overruled him at any point on serious recommendations and that Trump is trying to provide hope.

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Its interesting to think Corrik believes the best thing for America is for the President to intentionally let everyone down
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The president has listened to what I have said and to what the other people on the task force have said. When I have made recommendations, he has taken them. Hes never countered or overridden me. The idea of just pitting one against the other is just not helpful, Anthony Fauci said during an interview with WMAL on Tuesday. "I wish that would stop, and wed look ahead at the challenge we have to pull together to get over this thing.

"I was taking a purely medical, scientific standpoint, and the president was trying to bring hope to the people," Fauci said Sunday on CBS's Face The Nation. "I think there's this issue of trying to separate the two of us. There isn't fundamentally a difference there. He's coming to it from a hope, layperson standpoint. I'm coming from it from a scientific standpoint."

When asked whether Trump disregards scientific evidence or data regarding the virus presented by the task force, Fauci said, "That is completely untrue."
"I meet with him virtually every day. He listens. Ive never had a situation where I strongly suggested something to him that he rejected," Fauci told the Philadelphia radio station. "I think this idea that there is any conflict between the two of us is not based in any reality.

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I think Easter is a good goal date just like the end of March was a good initial goal date.

Just as school closures have been extended, so can his goal dates. I don't see anyone complaining that they closed schools for 2 weeks to be extended another 2 weeks when realistically they probably won't re-open this year.

Let's keep the politics out of here.


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https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-could-shut-down-post-office-by-june-congressional-leaders-2020-3

That would be disasterous.


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Thats kind of hard when all the responses to the crisis from every government on all sides is first and foremost politically motivated
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Jakyl25 posted...

Thats kind of hard when all the responses to the crisis from every government on all sides is first and foremost politically motivated

That's fine. Just don't get into 50 post political exchanges here lol. There is a lot going on with the virus itself and it's effects. We have plenty to discuss.

It's okay to say you disagree with shit or what not and give your own opinions regarding it. But, let's not drag the whole topic into political debate.

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Corrik7 posted...

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-could-shut-down-post-office-by-june-congressional-leaders-2020-3

That would be disasterous.

I think what Trump and a few other idiots don't understand is that this virus isn't just going to go through New York and California and be done with. Unless we were willing to lock down completely and see the virus we have here fizzle out before opening up again, this virus has to basically spread everywhere before it will be done with. There is still a considerable region of the country that hasn't seen significant spread yet, with a few major cities included. It is going to inevitably spread to all of these places, and they all are going to have to go through the stay at home period. The time to cut this virus off was weeks ago now.

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red13n posted...

I think what Trump and a few other idiots don't understand is that this virus isn't just going to go through New York and California and be done with. Unless we were willing to lock down completely and see the virus we have here fizzle out before opening up again, this virus has to basically spread everywhere before it will be done with. There is still a considerable region of the country that hasn't seen significant spread yet, with a few major cities included. It is going to inevitably spread to all of these places, and they all are going to have to go through the stay at home period. The time to cut this virus off was weeks ago now.

Perhaps. I think the virus itself will affect urban areas a lot worse than it could ever affect rural areas however.

I think the best course of action is to have localized shutdowns. In PA, shutting down Philadelphia and Pittsburgh probably has more effect than shutting down sparsely populated Greene county and Fayette County and etc. Do we need to kill local businesses in these rural areas to suppress the virus? It is questionable. And, it will be a good debate that we won't know the answer to ever even in hindsight.

Once the virus became so entrenched there was no stopping it. At least not with non-totalitarian efforts. So, the question is how to adapt to deal with it the best way.

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yeah, the only reason why NY is such a big threat is because we test that much. we put out over 10k test a day, 80-90% are coming back negative, but by sheer numbers we're skyrocketing past everyone else.

testing is 100% the solution to this.

once everyone else catches up, certain republicans won't be able to deny the problem because their constituents will give a fuck. at that point government will take it more seriously. they'll only care when it's in their backyard and most of 'em haven't felt it yet. but they absolutely will if they keep this up.


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Wanglicious posted...

yeah, the only reason why NY is such a big threat is because we test that much. we put out over 10k test a day, 80-90% are coming back negative, but by sheer numbers we're skyrocketing past everyone else.

testing is 100% the solution to this.

once everyone else catches up, certain republicans won't be able to deny the problem because their constituents will give a fuck. at that point government will take it more seriously. they'll only care when it's in their backyard and most of 'em haven't felt it yet. but they absolutely will if they keep this up.

Testing a ton leads to Germany and South Korea situations where you have a ton of cases and very low CFR. Because you are testing and catching the asymptomatic cases. Countries with high CFR are likely just testing those with severe symptoms. Italy for example. The one minister today estimated Italy's actual cases are likely almost 700k.

When you see countries with low CFR and wonder what their secret is, it is two fold.

1. Average age of infected.
2. Testing and catching asymptomatics.

Also, while we are here. The reason today for Spain's huge spike is likely due to this.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-deaths-spain-nursing-homes-panish-army-finds-dead-abandoned-patients-at-senior-care-facilities/

First major breakdown in society besides toilet paper.


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The first American child has now died from the coronavirus in LA (not sure how old; the article just said under 18).

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/kentucky-coronavirus-party-infection/index.html



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LordoftheMorons posted...

The first American child has now died from the coronavirus in LA (not sure how old; the article just said under 18).

PA was in talks about suspending HIPAA laws so they could reveal information about those who passed away to the public.

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Testing would have been more important early to control spread. There is no controlling the spread now and we had to accept a state of being where you have to assume everyone is infected.

I assume the government and people in general will pay more attention once the number of deaths in New York per day start getting scary. And they are going to get scary. It will hit a nerve when we hit the point that you can say more people died of Coronavirus than died on 9/11.

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Corrik7 posted...

Also, while we are here. The reason today for Spain's huge spike is likely due to this.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/coronavirus-deaths-spain-nursing-homes-panish-army-finds-dead-abandoned-patients-at-senior-care-facilities/

First major breakdown in society besides toilet paper.

holy shit is that bad.

got a bit of dark humor related to corona, for those who like it:
https://twitter.com/arthuroeuvrard/status/1242104428578168833


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Jakyl25 posted...

Its interesting to think Corrik believes the best thing for America is for the President to intentionally let everyone down

I think what makes it most interesting is that a reporter lobbed Trump the perfect opportunity to reassure the American people and give them hope, and his response was to attack him and call him a terrible reporter, lol.

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TheRock1525 posted...

So I just read that Disney Land and Disney World plan on re-opening April 1st.

That was just from the initial press release.

I don't know about Florida craziness but I can tell you that Disneyland will not be opening before May.

Disney will wait to announce more closures because those tickets are non-refundable for their value. Though the tickets value can always be applied to a different ticket, including one with a later expiration date.

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USA likely to cross 1,000 deaths tomorrow.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/us/louisiana-pastor-spell-coronavirus/index.html



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We had an positive case in my workplace today. No shutting it down though. We were given the option to use our PTO and have it not count as unscheduled should we wish, and I am doing that.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-25/nyse-reports-two-more-virus-cases-after-trading-floor-shuts-down

Those previously tested whose results remain outstanding will be notified directly by the medical team when results become available, NYSE said in the memo. It recommended that anyone who worked in the storied venue in the last 14 days undergo a period of self-quarantine for two weeks.

in unrelated news, wall street magically gonna start caring about this virus tomorrow.

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