Board 8 > Time to read a stupid article about sexism in video games!

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Ayuyu 04/13/12 4:29:00 AM #1:	http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/12/enough-we-must-all-try-to-kick-sexism-out-of-gaming/ Those articles are always funny. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:1026028] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/12/enough-we-must-all-try-to-kick-sexism-out-of-gaming/Those articles are always funny. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
rammtay 04/13/12 4:35:00 AM #2:	Wow, you made a topic and actually linked to what you are talking about. Progress. -- caps <cite>rammtay posted [p:1026029] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Wow, you made a topic and actually linked to what you are talking about.Progress. -- caps </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
azuarc 04/13/12 4:38:00 AM #3:	Feminists angered that sex sells. News at eleven. <cite>azuarc posted [p:1026030] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Feminists angered that sex sells. News at eleven. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MegaWentEvil 04/13/12 5:31:00 AM #4:	Nerds are superior to non-nerds! <cite>MegaWentEvil posted [p:1026031] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Nerds are superior to non-nerds! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 04/13/12 5:34:00 AM #5:	What is funny about the article, Ayuyu? -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:1026032] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> What is funny about the article, Ayuyu? -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrGreenonion 04/13/12 5:56:00 AM #6:	One thing I'd like explained by those who complain about sexism in media: Can a woman be depicted as sexual, without the depiction being sexist? -- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name... But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion <cite>MrGreenonion posted [p:1026033] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> One thing I'd like explained by those who complain about sexism in media:Can a woman be depicted as sexual, without the depiction being sexist? -- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name...But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tereziWright 04/13/12 5:58:00 AM #7:	GDC 2012 was a one-story show. David Cage’s Kara demo The what now -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif <cite>tereziWright posted [p:1026034] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> GDC 2012 was a one-story show. David Cage’s Kara demoThe what now -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gifhttp://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 04/13/12 6:01:00 AM #8:	Feminists angered that sex sells. News at eleven. One thing I'd like explained by those who complain about sexism in media: Can a woman be depicted as sexual, without the depiction being sexist? do you guys just look at articles like this and go "LOL FEMINISTS" or do you actually read it and try to understand what is being said? -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:1026035] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Feminists angered that sex sells. News at eleven.One thing I'd like explained by those who complain about sexism in media:Can a woman be depicted as sexual, without the depiction being sexist?do you guys just look at articles like this and go "LOL FEMINISTS" or do you actually read it and try to understand what is being said? -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/13/12 6:18:00 AM #9:	Well they had some good points but you know I do- notices Erika from Catherine is in the example gallery OH GOD MY SIDES -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:1026036] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Well they had some good points but you know I do-notices Erika from Catherine is in the example galleryOH GOD MY SIDES -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tereziWright 04/13/12 6:23:00 AM #10:	Zelda Sexist OK -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gif http://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif <cite>tereziWright posted [p:1026037] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> ZeldaSexistOK -- http://img.imgcake.com/tumblrlydlw2kYU21r0x924o1500gifru.gifhttp://img.imgcake.com/1326165368699gifme.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 04/13/12 6:33:00 AM #11:	Well they had some good points but you know I do- What were you going to say? Do you not think some games can be sexist? Come on. -- You beat yourself up with your past. Don't blame yourself, blame the world. Blame God. Blame me. <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:1026038] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Well they had some good points but you know I do-What were you going to say? Do you not think some games can be sexist? Come on. -- You beat yourself up with your past. Don't blame yourself, blame the world. Blame God. Blame me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 04/13/12 6:35:00 AM #12:	I am jealous of Chris Redfield's rugged good looks and large muscles -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHDxSvwCE0 <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:1026039] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> I am jealous of Chris Redfield's rugged good looks and large muscles -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHDxSvwCE0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/13/12 6:36:00 AM #13:	okay now time for an actual response From: MrGreenonion \| #006 One thing I'd like explained by those who complain about sexism in media: Can a woman be depicted as sexual, without the depiction being sexist? I feel like this is always a part of it. For example I never really cared about the allegations against Bayonetta. She's hypersexualized to hell and back (probably literally in her case), but she's a complete badass who goes around kicking ass and not giving f**s. She's sexualized, yeah, but I don't think her character is sexist, and there's a difference there. Same with Catherine; aside from the visual motifs it's not sexist at all, aside from maybe the titular character.......but then again, that's kind of the point there, without saying too much about it. also how do you complain about Female Shepard being sexualized when the male Shepard was literally based on an underwear model Hell, BioWare vetoed all the ones that looked like Barbie dolls. I thought the one they picked was much better in comparison. basically, what she's complaining about is not unique to video games at all; the "sex sells" phenomenon is ingrained into our culture. It's just amplified because it's a genre dominated by males, and some games do take it to the extreme. Not saying that's okay, but then again I also don't agree with the notion that makes games inherently sexist (for the most part). -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:1026040] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> okay now time for an actual responseFrom: MrGreenonion \| #006One thing I'd like explained by those who complain about sexism in media:Can a woman be depicted as sexual, without the depiction being sexist?I feel like this is always a part of it. For example I never really cared about the allegations against Bayonetta. She's hypersexualized to hell and back (probably literally in her case), but she's a complete badass who goes around kicking ass and not giving f**s. She's sexualized, yeah, but I don't think her character is sexist, and there's a difference there. Same with Catherine; aside from the visual motifs it's not sexist at all, aside from maybe the titular character.......but then again, that's kind of the point there, without saying too much about it.also how do you complain about Female Shepard being sexualized when the male Shepard was literally based on an underwear modelHell, BioWare vetoed all the ones that looked like Barbie dolls. I thought the one they picked was much better in comparison.basically, what she's complaining about is not unique to video games at all; the "sex sells" phenomenon is ingrained into our culture. It's just amplified because it's a genre dominated by males, and some games do take it to the extreme. Not saying that's okay, but then again I also don't agree with the notion that makes games inherently sexist (for the most part). -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 04/13/12 6:39:00 AM #14:	She has a pout and wide blue eyes, blemishless breasts and peachy buttocks. So what, they want more ugly girls in video games? Having women be attractive is sexist? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:1026041] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> She has a pout and wide blue eyes, blemishless breasts and peachy buttocks. So what, they want more ugly girls in video games? Having women be attractive is sexist? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 04/13/12 6:53:00 AM #15:	So what, they want more ugly girls in video games? Having women be attractive is sexist? the point was that she is shown being submissive and displaying her goodies all the time, as opposed to actually functioning as a person. she functions basically as an object for you to look at. having people be sexualized is fine, as long as there are other portrayals to counteract it....and in gaming there really is not a whole lot of that. and saying like "chris redfield is buff" is not really the same. big, buff dudes fighting things is a male fantasy. look at every action flick ever, WWE, MMA, etc. those are male fantasies. if any RE character is seen as attractive by females it is Leon, and obviously that isn't because he is a gigantic muscle head with an unobtainable body that is constantly being shown off as is the case with women in gaming. -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:1026042] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> So what, they want more ugly girls in video games? Having women be attractive is sexist?the point was that she is shown being submissive and displaying her goodies all the time, as opposed to actually functioning as a person. she functions basically as an object for you to look at. having people be sexualized is fine, as long as there are other portrayals to counteract it....and in gaming there really is not a whole lot of that. and saying like "chris redfield is buff" is not really the same. big, buff dudes fighting things is a male fantasy. look at every action flick ever, WWE, MMA, etc. those are male fantasies. if any RE character is seen as attractive by females it is Leon, and obviously that isn't because he is a gigantic muscle head with an unobtainable body that is constantly being shown off as is the case with women in gaming. -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 04/13/12 6:55:00 AM #16:	and saying like "chris redfield is buff" is not really the same. big, buff dudes fighting things is a male fantasy. look at every action flick ever, WWE, MMA, etc. those are male fantasies. if any RE character is seen as attractive by females it is Leon, and obviously that isn't because he is a gigantic muscle head with an unobtainable body that is constantly being shown off as is the case with women in gaming. And attractive women with giant breasts who do nothing but cook your meals and be available for sex when you want it is also a pretty common male fantasy as evidenced by 90% of depictions of females in all media (not just video games) too. Why is one acceptable and the other isn't? If her point is that the problem is that girls are too submissive, then including stuff about their bust size and how pretty their eyes are is a non-sequitir. Males in video games are attractive too. Nobody wants to play a game starring ugly people. Just like how ugly people don't become hugely successful actors or actresses. This is not some sort of societal crisis... -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:1026043] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> and saying like "chris redfield is buff" is not really the same. big, buff dudes fighting things is a male fantasy. look at every action flick ever, WWE, MMA, etc. those are male fantasies. if any RE character is seen as attractive by females it is Leon, and obviously that isn't because he is a gigantic muscle head with an unobtainable body that is constantly being shown off as is the case with women in gaming.And attractive women with giant breasts who do nothing but cook your meals and be available for sex when you want it is also a pretty common male fantasy as evidenced by 90% of depictions of females in all media (not just video games) too.Why is one acceptable and the other isn't?If her point is that the problem is that girls are too submissive, then including stuff about their bust size and how pretty their eyes are is a non-sequitir. Males in video games are attractive too. Nobody wants to play a game starring ugly people. Just like how ugly people don't become hugely successful actors or actresses. This is not some sort of societal crisis... -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroicGammaRay 04/13/12 6:59:00 AM #17:	The truth is that games are sexist in their depiction of women to a depressing degree. I raised the point on a press trip dinner last year: how many female characters can you think of that aren’t obviously designed to be sexually attractive to men? Apart from Shepard, no one around the table could suggest a single one. these guys probably shouldn't be doing games journalism, lol (in fact they fit right in, but just saying) --- <cite>HeroicGammaRay posted [p:1026044] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> The truth is that games are sexist in their depiction of women to a depressing degree. I raised the point on a press trip dinner last year: how many female characters can you think of that aren’t obviously designed to be sexually attractive to men? Apart from Shepard, no one around the table could suggest a single one.these guys probably shouldn't be doing games journalism, lol (in fact they fit right in, but just saying)--- </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 04/13/12 7:00:00 AM #18:	Why is one acceptable and the other isn't? uh because one is males idealized versions of themselves, while the other is males idealizing women as objects? Males in video games are attractive too. no they are not. do you seriously think EVERY male character in games is attractive on even CLOSE to a similar level as women? outside of queen brahne, I cannot think of an ugly portrayal of a woman in video games. with males characters being sexy is not necessary, while some obviously are really attractive, gaming as a whole does not portray men as sexual objects. -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:1026045] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Why is one acceptable and the other isn't?uh because one is males idealized versions of themselves, while the other is males idealizing women as objects?Males in video games are attractive too.no they are not. do you seriously think EVERY male character in games is attractive on even CLOSE to a similar level as women? outside of queen brahne, I cannot think of an ugly portrayal of a woman in video games. with males characters being sexy is not necessary, while some obviously are really attractive, gaming as a whole does not portray men as sexual objects. -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 04/13/12 7:02:00 AM #19:	Being designed to be attractive isn't such a big deal I think, more in how they are portrayed. The Boss and Samus are both sexualized to some degree, but how they act in MGS3 and Other M completely separate them, for instance. -- You beat yourself up with your past. Don't blame yourself, blame the world. Blame God. Blame me. <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:1026046] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Being designed to be attractive isn't such a big deal I think, more in how they are portrayed. The Boss and Samus are both sexualized to some degree, but how they act in MGS3 and Other M completely separate them, for instance. -- You beat yourself up with your past. Don't blame yourself, blame the world. Blame God. Blame me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Achromatic 04/13/12 7:02:00 AM #20:	The Boss? Or is she meant to be hot too. -- Sir Chris The Cult of Personality. <cite>Achromatic posted [p:1026047] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> The Boss? Or is she meant to be hot too. -- Sir ChrisThe Cult of Personality. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/13/12 7:04:00 AM #21:	From: Achromatic \| #020 The Boss? Or is she meant to be hot too. LOOK AT THIS SCAR rips open shirt worst c-section ever am i right -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:1026048] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> From: Achromatic \| #020The Boss? Or is she meant to be hot too.LOOK AT THIS SCARrips open shirtworst c-section ever am i right -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 04/13/12 7:04:00 AM #22:	no they are not. do you seriously think EVERY male character in games is attractive on even CLOSE to a similar level as women? outside of queen brahne, I cannot think of an ugly portrayal of a woman in video games. Freya Beatrix actually most of the females in that game, now that I think about it -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHDxSvwCE0 <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:1026049] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> no they are not. do you seriously think EVERY male character in games is attractive on even CLOSE to a similar level as women? outside of queen brahne, I cannot think of an ugly portrayal of a woman in video games.FreyaBeatrixactually most of the females in that game, now that I think about it -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHDxSvwCE0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pram_the_Oracle 04/13/12 7:05:00 AM #23:	Beatrix ugly what. -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest <cite>Pram_the_Oracle posted [p:1026050] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Beatrix ugly what. -- Aww, I lost to SuperNiceDog, Winner of the Rivalry Rumble Guru Contest </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/13/12 7:05:00 AM #24:	From: OmarsComin \| #022 Beatrix ugly wat -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:1026051] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> From: OmarsComin \| #022Beatrixuglywat -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 04/13/12 7:07:00 AM #25:	for an actual serious answer, I think the sexualized women are obviously aimed at men. so if women are like "we want to play video games too" that's cool and they should support games that don't portray them negatively. for me the better comparison is romance novels. hyper sexualized men in those. it's probably sexist (or would be if anyone cared) but men don't read romance novels. I don't actually know but I'm guessing most VG players are males? probably a young demographic too. so they're appealing to their audience. -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHDxSvwCE0 <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:1026052] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> for an actual serious answer, I think the sexualized women are obviously aimed at men. so if women are like "we want to play video games too" that's cool and they should support games that don't portray them negatively.for me the better comparison is romance novels. hyper sexualized men in those. it's probably sexist (or would be if anyone cared) but men don't read romance novels.I don't actually know but I'm guessing most VG players are males? probably a young demographic too. so they're appealing to their audience. -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHDxSvwCE0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 04/13/12 7:08:00 AM #26:	Women, don't like sexism? Don't play games. -- You beat yourself up with your past. Don't blame yourself, blame the world. Blame God. Blame me. <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:1026053] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Women, don't like sexism? Don't play games. -- You beat yourself up with your past. Don't blame yourself, blame the world. Blame God. Blame me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 04/13/12 7:09:00 AM #27:	The boss is of the few females characters in gaming that are actually well written characters. However, she is also in the same game as the peep cam you can use to spy on the female companion character and lockers full of pinup models. Gaming is just a boys club and has been forever. Not sure why men get so defensive about women getting upset about that. Not a lot of men would feel comfortable playing games that objectified men in the way that games do to women. -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:1026054] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> The boss is of the few females characters in gaming that are actually well written characters. However, she is also in the same game as the peep cam you can use to spy on the female companion character and lockers full of pinup models. Gaming is just a boys club and has been forever. Not sure why men get so defensive about women getting upset about that. Not a lot of men would feel comfortable playing games that objectified men in the way that games do to women. -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ayuyu 04/13/12 7:10:00 AM #28:	From: SlymDayspring \| #027 The boss is of the few females characters in gaming that are actually well written characters. However, she is also in the same game as the peep cam you can use to spy on the female companion character and lockers full of pinup models. Gaming is just a boys club and has been forever. Not sure why men get so defensive about women getting upset about that. Not a lot of men would feel comfortable playing games that objectified men in the way that games do to women. I would honestly not care in the slightest. It's a game. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gif http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic <cite>Ayuyu posted [p:1026055] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> From: SlymDayspring \| #027The boss is of the few females characters in gaming that are actually well written characters. However, she is also in the same game as the peep cam you can use to spy on the female companion character and lockers full of pinup models. Gaming is just a boys club and has been forever. Not sure why men get so defensive about women getting upset about that. Not a lot of men would feel comfortable playing games that objectified men in the way that games do to women.I would honestly not care in the slightest.It's a game. -- http://img.imgcake.com/cosplaygifer.gifhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TORtanic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SlymDayspring 04/13/12 7:10:00 AM #29:	for me the better comparison is romance novels. hyper sexualized men in those. it's probably sexist (or would be if anyone cared) but men don't read romance novels. yeah, and the article points out this comparison. men groan about their portrayals in these things for a reason. it is unrealistic and stupid. -- I'm "kind of a big deal". http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png <cite>SlymDayspring posted [p:1026056] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> for me the better comparison is romance novels. hyper sexualized men in those. it's probably sexist (or would be if anyone cared) but men don't read romance novels.yeah, and the article points out this comparison. men groan about their portrayals in these things for a reason. it is unrealistic and stupid. -- I'm "kind of a big deal".http://img.imgcake.com/cyclo/Cyclopngegpngre.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 04/13/12 7:12:00 AM #30:	I don't understand this argument that hyper sexualized women appeal to men and offend women have any of you ever read cosmo? women objectify themselves more than men could ever hope to <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:1026057] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> I don't understand this argument that hyper sexualized women appeal to men and offend womenhave any of you ever read cosmo? women objectify themselves more than men could ever hope to </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeroDelTiempo17 04/13/12 7:13:00 AM #31:	From: SlymDayspring \| #027 However, she is also in the same game as the peep cam you can use to spy on the female companion character and lockers full of pinup models. And also in the same game where you drag an androgynous man around while he's wearing nothing but a thong, and also can remove Big Boss's shirt and run around. MGS is a good example of sexualization on both ends of the spectrum, actually. The major male characters seem to be designed that way, at least. -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gif http://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif <cite>HeroDelTiempo17 posted [p:1026058] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> From: SlymDayspring \| #027However, she is also in the same game as the peep cam you can use to spy on the female companion character and lockers full of pinup models.And also in the same game where you drag an androgynous man around while he's wearing nothing but a thong, and also can remove Big Boss's shirt and run around.MGS is a good example of sexualization on both ends of the spectrum, actually. The major male characters seem to be designed that way, at least. -- http://img.imgcake.com/AitchDeeTee/panicdancegifta.gifhttp://backloggery.com/herodeltiempo/sig.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmarsComin 04/13/12 7:13:00 AM #32:	we should all just aspire to be romance novel men IMHO -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHDxSvwCE0 <cite>OmarsComin posted [p:1026059] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> we should all just aspire to be romance novel men IMHO -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npHDxSvwCE0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Liquid Wind 04/13/12 7:14:00 AM #33:	And also in the same game where you drag an androgynous man around while he's wearing nothing but a thong, and also can remove Big Boss's shirt and run around. MGS is a good example of sexualization on both ends of the spectrum, actually. The major male characters seem to be designed that way, at least. yo I ain't gay but for big boss I might reconsider... <cite>Liquid Wind posted [p:1026060] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> And also in the same game where you drag an androgynous man around while he's wearing nothing but a thong, and also can remove Big Boss's shirt and run around.MGS is a good example of sexualization on both ends of the spectrum, actually. The major male characters seem to be designed that way, at least.yo I ain't gay but for big boss I might reconsider... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 04/13/12 7:20:00 AM #34:	men groan about their portrayals in these things for a reason. it is unrealistic and stupid. What's wrong with unrealistic and stupid things? Porn is also unrealistic and stupid, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. Obviously there's a market for it. <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:1026061] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> men groan about their portrayals in these things for a reason. it is unrealistic and stupid.What's wrong with unrealistic and stupid things? Porn is also unrealistic and stupid, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. Obviously there's a market for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingButz 04/13/12 7:31:00 AM #35:	Pornography is the basic root behind all of this, as it is the ultimate objectification of women. As long as pornography is around (forever), its influence is going to leak into other mediums. And Cyclo, as for what you said earlier, about action heroes being idealized men... For a lot of women (read not feminists), the sexualized woman is how they idealize themselves. They wish they could be just like the submissive sexual gorgeous woman, because that woman exemplifies natural female traits. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/bokbokbokpngur.png Ok everyone this is Bartz so just remember. <cite>KingButz posted [p:1026062] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Pornography is the basic root behind all of this, as it is the ultimate objectification of women. As long as pornography is around (forever), its influence is going to leak into other mediums.And Cyclo, as for what you said earlier, about action heroes being idealized men... For a lot of women (read not feminists), the sexualized woman is how they idealize themselves. They wish they could be just like the submissive sexual gorgeous woman, because that woman exemplifies natural female traits. -- http://img.imgcake.com/nio/bokbokbokpngur.pngOk everyone this is Bartz so just remember. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 04/13/12 7:43:00 AM #36:	All mediums like having attractive people. Men, women, whatever. There are some normal characters usually too, but rarely do they matter, like the old woman running the inn or something. No problem with that. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:1026063] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> All mediums like having attractive people. Men, women, whatever. There are some normal characters usually too, but rarely do they matter, like the old woman running the inn or something. No problem with that. -- The King Wang.Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrGreenonion 04/13/12 7:48:00 AM #37:	From: SlymDayspring \| #008 do you guys just look at articles like this and go "LOL FEMINISTS" or do you actually read it and try to understand what is being said? I raised the point on a press trip dinner last year: how many female characters can you think of that aren’t obviously designed to be sexually attractive to men? I'm not sure how you can depict a woman in a sexual manner without at least SEEMING to be "designed to be sexually attractive to men"! -- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name... But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion <cite>MrGreenonion posted [p:1026064] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> From: SlymDayspring \| #008do you guys just look at articles like this and go "LOL FEMINISTS" or do you actually read it and try to understand what is being said?I raised the point on a press trip dinner last year: how many female characters can you think of that aren’t obviously designed to be sexually attractive to men?I'm not sure how you can depict a woman in a sexual manner without at least SEEMING to be "designed to be sexually attractive to men"! -- SuperNiceDog didn't have to reconcile his name...But Dauntless Hunter is now MrGreenonion </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 04/13/12 8:06:00 AM #38:	I mean, there are points to be made for sure. But the author will never be convinced a character is not sexist unless the female character is straight up unappealing looking to any sex. Girls want to be beautiful too you know. It's not just a male fantasy to have an idealized version of yourself. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 <cite>pjbasis posted [p:1026065] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> I mean, there are points to be made for sure.But the author will never be convinced a character is not sexist unless the female character is straight up unappealing looking to any sex.Girls want to be beautiful too you know. It's not just a male fantasy to have an idealized version of yourself. -- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/pjbasis.png SuperNiceDog - 1, pjbasis - 0 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlphaRayAllen 04/13/12 8:11:00 AM #39:	There's one thing I simply don't understand about these types of arguments. And it's that they pretend that men aren't sexualized at all. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo [NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] <cite>AlphaRayAllen posted [p:1026066] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> There's one thing I simply don't understand about these types of arguments.And it's that they pretend that men aren't sexualized at all. -- I like how each new topic you make reveals such varied facets of your idiocy. - foolmo[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE] </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eeeevil Overlord 04/13/12 8:20:00 AM #40:	"Women, don't like sexism? Don't play games." Do you mean that in a "this is a problem" sense, or are you seriously saying "if you don't like being objectified in an offensive manner then you shouldn't touch an entire medium". If, say, television objectified men a lot and a woman said "Men, don't like sexism? Don't watch tv" you'd probably be pretty annoyed, no? -- James - Board 8's Resident Warm And Safe, Slipper-Wearing User & The Cream of Porcupine Tree Fanboyism <cite>Eeeevil Overlord posted [p:1026067] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> "Women, don't like sexism? Don't play games."Do you mean that in a "this is a problem" sense, or are you seriously saying "if you don't like being objectified in an offensive manner then you shouldn't touch an entire medium". If, say, television objectified men a lot and a woman said "Men, don't like sexism? Don't watch tv" you'd probably be pretty annoyed, no? -- James - Board 8's Resident Warm And Safe, Slipper-Wearing User& The Cream of Porcupine Tree Fanboyism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 04/13/12 8:33:00 AM #41:	Television does so uh... Like this is something that isn't rare of anything. Attractive is good, picking something else is interesting but will usually serve some purpose. You want characters that stand out. Either you limit the characters or the setting needs to establish the character as he is. Anime loves to sexualize both, though obviously women more often because that's what the majority likes. Then you have yaoi to make it a completely opposite crowd. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:1026068] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Television does so uh... Like this is something that isn't rare of anything. Attractive is good, picking something else is interesting but will usually serve some purpose. You want characters that stand out. Either you limit the characters or the setting needs to establish the character as he is. Anime loves to sexualize both, though obviously women more often because that's what the majority likes. Then you have yaoi to make it a completely opposite crowd. -- The King Wang.Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 04/13/12 8:39:00 AM #42:	From: Eeeevil Overlord \| #040 "Women, don't like sexism? Don't play games." Do you mean that in a "this is a problem" sense, or are you seriously saying "if you don't like being objectified in an offensive manner then you shouldn't touch an entire medium". If, say, television objectified men a lot and a woman said "Men, don't like sexism? Don't watch tv" you'd probably be pretty annoyed, no? I'm responding to someone else. My post is obviously stupid, no one would say that literally like they believe it. -- You beat yourself up with your past. Don't blame yourself, blame the world. Blame God. Blame me. <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:1026069] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> From: Eeeevil Overlord \| #040"Women, don't like sexism? Don't play games."Do you mean that in a "this is a problem" sense, or are you seriously saying "if you don't like being objectified in an offensive manner then you shouldn't touch an entire medium". If, say, television objectified men a lot and a woman said "Men, don't like sexism? Don't watch tv" you'd probably be pretty annoyed, no?I'm responding to someone else. My post is obviously stupid, no one would say that literally like they believe it. -- You beat yourself up with your past. Don't blame yourself, blame the world. Blame God. Blame me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GANON1025 04/13/12 8:39:00 AM #43:	If your defense of sexism in video games is, "well ANIME does it" then that's well uh -- You beat yourself up with your past. Don't blame yourself, blame the world. Blame God. Blame me. <cite>GANON1025 posted [p:1026070] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> If your defense of sexism in video games is, "well ANIME does it" then that's well uh -- You beat yourself up with your past. Don't blame yourself, blame the world. Blame God. Blame me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eeeevil Overlord 04/13/12 8:42:00 AM #44:	This isn't really directed at you Wang, and I don't want to group multiple people's arguments together, but what I'm essentially hearing is "it should be catered towards men's sexual fantasies because it's mainly men who buy the products, and if women don't like it they shouldn't buy the product". Isn't that a bit of an unfortunate cycle? This is a real issue, and it's by no means exclusive to games. I'm loath to use tvtropes to make any kind of serious point, but the "five-man band" thing sums it up quite well. There are 4 interesting characters with well-defined personalities, then a fifth one who has the defining personality of being female, and is usually sexualised and stereotyped in a way none of the 4 men are. There's an obvious damaging message being sent out there, at least as far as I can tell. Even the freakin' m&m characters have that dynamic going on! -- James - Board 8's Resident Warm And Safe, Slipper-Wearing User & The Cream of Porcupine Tree Fanboyism <cite>Eeeevil Overlord posted [p:1026071] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> This isn't really directed at you Wang, and I don't want to group multiple people's arguments together, but what I'm essentially hearing is "it should be catered towards men's sexual fantasies because it's mainly men who buy the products, and if women don't like it they shouldn't buy the product". Isn't that a bit of an unfortunate cycle?This is a real issue, and it's by no means exclusive to games. I'm loath to use tvtropes to make any kind of serious point, but the "five-man band" thing sums it up quite well. There are 4 interesting characters with well-defined personalities, then a fifth one who has the defining personality of being female, and is usually sexualised and stereotyped in a way none of the 4 men are. There's an obvious damaging message being sent out there, at least as far as I can tell. Even the freakin' m&m characters have that dynamic going on! -- James - Board 8's Resident Warm And Safe, Slipper-Wearing User& The Cream of Porcupine Tree Fanboyism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 04/13/12 8:43:00 AM #45:	That was to the person above who brought up television, GANON. That and just a matter of attractive people are in everything. You can do the same for movies if you want - Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp have been in everything for that reason. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:1026072] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> That was to the person above who brought up television, GANON. That and just a matter of attractive people are in everything. You can do the same for movies if you want - Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp have been in everything for that reason. -- The King Wang.Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eeeevil Overlord 04/13/12 8:43:00 AM #46:	"I'm responding to someone else. My post is obviously stupid, no one would say that literally like they believe it." Cool, missed the post you were responding to. Sorry for the doubt, but I have heard people GENUINELY say that kind of ** and mean it. I'm not active enough to keep track of who's sane and who isn't around here! -- James** - Board 8's Resident Warm And Safe, Slipper-Wearing User & The Cream of Porcupine Tree Fanboyism <cite>Eeeevil Overlord posted [p:1026073] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> "I'm responding to someone else. My post is obviously stupid, no one would say that literally like they believe it."Cool, missed the post you were responding to. Sorry for the doubt, but I have heard people GENUINELY say that kind of **** and mean it. I'm not active enough to keep track of who's sane and who isn't around here! -- James - Board 8's Resident Warm And Safe, Slipper-Wearing User& The Cream of Porcupine Tree Fanboyism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eeeevil Overlord 04/13/12 8:46:00 AM #47:	"That was to the person above who brought up television, GANON. That and just a matter of attractive people are in everything. You can do the same for movies if you want - Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp have been in everything for that reason." There's a difference between people being cast because they're good looking and people who are only in the movie to begin with to be eye-candy, though. Depp and Pitt are almost never merely eye-candy in the movies they appear in. The movies where that is the case (usually chick-flicks) are the movies that a lot of men regard as terrible pieces of trash that shouldn't be made. -- James - Board 8's Resident Warm And Safe, Slipper-Wearing User & The Cream of Porcupine Tree Fanboyism <cite>Eeeevil Overlord posted [p:1026074] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> "That was to the person above who brought up television, GANON. That and just a matter of attractive people are in everything. You can do the same for movies if you want - Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp have been in everything for that reason."There's a difference between people being cast because they're good looking and people who are only in the movie to begin with to be eye-candy, though. Depp and Pitt are almost never merely eye-candy in the movies they appear in. The movies where that is the case (usually chick-flicks) are the movies that a lot of men regard as terrible pieces of trash that shouldn't be made. -- James - Board 8's Resident Warm And Safe, Slipper-Wearing User& The Cream of Porcupine Tree Fanboyism </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 04/13/12 8:52:00 AM #48:	Ah, see I kinda don't see that as the cycle there. 'this is our market so we will appeal to it ' will always exist and rightfully so, but there will be other subsections out there. Just as you're forever gonna have your stuff like harem shows for anime or modern family for live action tv, you'll also have your slice of life anime or raising hope for live action tv. Community plays with this a lot, when it's something more guy appealing Allison brie just so happens to get in a sexier outfit, yet when it's more family friendly or to women, things are toned down a lot. granted, in the former cases Jeff goes shirtless a lot. So the appeal is attempted! I just don't group mediums into one like that because it isn't accurate. More like it's 'don't like this style, play something else. ' -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:1026075] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Ah, see I kinda don't see that as the cycle there. 'this is our market so we will appeal to it ' will always exist and rightfully so, but there will be other subsections out there. Just as you're forever gonna have your stuff like harem shows for anime or modern family for live action tv, you'll also have your slice of life anime or raising hope for live action tv. Community plays with this a lot, when it's something more guy appealing Allison brie just so happens to get in a sexier outfit, yet when it's more family friendly or to women, things are toned down a lot. granted, in the former cases Jeff goes shirtless a lot. So the appeal is attempted! I just don't group mediums into one like that because it isn't accurate. More like it's 'don't like this style, play something else. ' -- The King Wang.Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kinglicious 04/13/12 8:58:00 AM #49:	Nah, Depp doesn't do as many chick flicks. Half his casting is that Burton has a boner for him, the other half is split between acting and looks. Brad Pitt is definitely more eye candy than not, as are guys like Orlando Bloom or tom cruise, and it's no surprise that you'll see them cast together a few times. Let's remember that troy was a massive fanservice to women and was far from a chick flick. ... I think. Remembering it makes me realize it probably was a weird hybrid? I mean yeah Megan Fox is the definition of eye candy for guys and is in these overly male movies, but smack Orlando Bloom in and now it's for chicks. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Kinglicious posted [p:1026076] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Nah, Depp doesn't do as many chick flicks. Half his casting is that Burton has a boner for him, the other half is split between acting and looks. Brad Pitt is definitely more eye candy than not, as are guys like Orlando Bloom or tom cruise, and it's no surprise that you'll see them cast together a few times. Let's remember that troy was a massive fanservice to women and was far from a chick flick. ... I think. Remembering it makes me realize it probably was a weird hybrid? I mean yeah Megan Fox is the definition of eye candy for guys and is in these overly male movies, but smack Orlando Bloom in and now it's for chicks. -- The King Wang.Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0ron 04/13/12 9:03:00 AM #50:	Hopefully it’s immediately obvious that games aren’t just sexist towards women: they’re generally just sexist. Men in games – we’re talking about core games here – are invariably rendered as muscular and violent. This is my problem with the article and a lot of the "omg video games are sexist" stuff. It's a VIDEO GAME, it's FICTION. There's a reason characters are so idealized and therefore often simplified into typical gender roles. Because fiction doesn't have the limitations of real life. If you want a hot busty girl sidekick, you can have it. If you want a big hardcore badass guy, you can have that too. Neither of these are realistic, but DUH, it's a GAME. People just need to learn to separate fiction from reality. And his examples of girls were terrible. The new Taki girl from SCV? She's a Taki replacement, and a core element of Taki's character was her overly large boobs (which is a better issue for him to talk about). Obviously they have to show the new girl's boobs to appease the audience. And Catherine is literally a game about sex. Should it really not be sexual? -- _foolmo_ 'You are obviously intelligent and insightful' - Sir Chris about me <cite>foolm0ron posted [p:1026077] in Time to re... [t:62530511]...</cite> <quote> Hopefully it’s immediately obvious that games aren’t just sexist towards women: they’re generally just sexist. Men in games – we’re talking about core games here – are invariably rendered as muscular and violent.This is my problem with the article and a lot of the "omg video games are sexist" stuff. It's a VIDEO GAME, it's FICTION. There's a reason characters are so idealized and therefore often simplified into typical gender roles. Because fiction doesn't have the limitations of real life. If you want a hot busty girl sidekick, you can have it. If you want a big hardcore badass guy, you can have that too. Neither of these are realistic, but DUH, it's a GAME. People just need to learn to separate fiction from reality.And his examples of girls were terrible. The new Taki girl from SCV? She's a Taki replacement, and a core element of Taki's character was her overly large boobs (which is a better issue for him to talk about). Obviously they have to show the new girl's boobs to appease the audience. And Catherine is literally a game about sex. Should it really not be sexual? -- _foolmo_'You are obviously intelligent and insightful' - Sir Chris about me </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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