Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 376: Pigs in Space

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https://twitter.com/existentialfish/status/1423284759841619969

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He's not wrong though, I'm a leftist and I do hate Fox News viewers and their babies.

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and they hate leftists, so...

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I just got done driving 6 hours after working 60 hours this week, and Im mentally destroyed so maybe Ill be able to better understand this tomorrow morning.

But can someone tell me what the antivax people are trying to say with this meme? Its currently trending on Facebook and because people wore masks and socially distanced during flu season is apparently a laughable explanation, so what exactly are they accusingI guess the government, of exactly?

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Tony your mistake is trying to apply logic to a situation involving anti-vaxxers.

What theyre saying is that all these COVID cases are actually just normal flu cases and the reason no one is taking about the flu or flu season is because there is a nationwide doctor conspiracy to push all those cases into COVID cases so the government can microchip you and watch you pee. Or something.

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I guess they're probably implying that all of the covid cases literally are these "missing" flu cases?

Who knows with these fucking idiots, though

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my favorite part about the microchip conspiracy is that almost everyone spreading it likely owns a smartphone and uses social media to spread it and it's just like why would the government need to microchip you you've done all the legwork in making yourself trackable already

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https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1424403102506131463

Regardless of how this actually got done, I'm choosing to believe that Ossoff's involvement was that, being the only millennial in the Senate he was called in to explain crypto to all the old people.

btw bipartisan infrastructure week set to pass somewhere around tuesday morning.

Schumer told them all he's not letting them start their August recess until they actually get this done. They tried to speed it up and get it done by yesterday but a Republican Senator objected (they needed unanimous consent to fast track) so they're forced to just eat their vacation and I'm loving it lol. I believe Schumer also wants them to get the reconciliation process started before he lets them go as well, but they have to finish this up first.

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Hot take: crypto is bad enough that tech-illiterate senators accidentally functionally banning it might actually be good...!

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Hot take: Cryptocurrency should be banned

Hot take: all currency should be banned

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People who mine bitcoin are bad people.

No decent person is into crypto.

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I don't mine but I trade fluctuations. I've been dabbling since March and over the course of 5 months I've turned 1000 into 1750-1800. It's not much but I don't have deep enough pockets for options trading stock yet so it's a start.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Hot take: crypto is bad enough that tech-illiterate senators accidentally functionally banning it might actually be good...!

I'll be the first to admit I have a tough time following the dueling amendment debate here because I'm not into crypto but my understanding is that getting this right is actually kinda important because at one point one of the amendments was written in a way that would actually favor the implementation method that is more energy-intensive (and thus environmentally harmful) over an alternate method that was less so.

I think that amendment was updated to fix that problem but yeah.

All this because the bipartisan crew has to come up with wacky ways to pay for their bill because god forbid we raise taxes on the rich, corporations, or even just enforce the actual tax code as it currently is better like the reconciliation package intends to do in order to pay for itself.

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Cryptocurrency generation is so hilariously bad for the environment that any climate change bill should outlaw it.

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it is amazing to me how people focus on stuff like crypto lol

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Also with so much emphasis being put on Proof of Stake moving forward the whole electricity angle is going to stop holding water.

But people are fast to say 'outlaw it' rather than 'improve it'.

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xp1337 posted...

I'll be the first to admit I have a tough time following the dueling amendment debate here because I'm not into crypto but my understanding is that getting this right is actually kinda important because at one point one of the amendments was written in a way that would actually favor the implementation method that is more energy-intensive (and thus environmentally harmful) over an alternate method that was less so.

I think that amendment was updated to fix that problem but yeah.

All this because the bipartisan crew has to come up with wacky ways to pay for their bill because god forbid we raise taxes on the rich, corporations, or even just enforce the actual tax code as it currently is better like the reconciliation package intends to do in order to pay for itself.

Yeah, I was reading up on it after I posted that and it sounds like the Warner amendment specifically penalizes proof of stake and not proof of work which is definitely a bad idea (I had just seen the original version that added reporting requirements for everybody involved).

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I think I read that the Warner amendment has since included proof of stake in its exemptions, but yeah. (Or maybe I misread and they didn't, but that was indeed the problem the Warner amendment had at any rate.)

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Also with so much emphasis being put on Proof of Stake moving forward the whole electricity angle is going to stop holding water.

But people are fast to say 'outlaw it' rather than 'improve it'.

Im semi-joking about banning it, but I do think that as it stands it has some hugely negative externalities (both environmentally as well as facilitating illegal activity such as ransomware attacks) and I have yet to hear a convincing case that It actually does anything positive. Banning it would definitely be preferable to allowing it to exist as-is in a completely unregulated state imo.

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Crypto is hardly being used as a currency aside meme promotion sales and illegal activities.

People just like it essentially as a stock but as long as everyone just touts how much value it has in USD it really isn't going to change the world.

Hot take: Cryptocurrency should be legal but buying or selling NFTs should get you the death penalty

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Also with so much emphasis being put on Proof of Stake moving forward the whole electricity angle is going to stop holding water.

But people are fast to say 'outlaw it' rather than 'improve it'.

Okay, outlaw it until it's improved then

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Okay, outlaw it until it's improved then

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Also with so much emphasis being put on Proof of Stake moving forward the whole electricity angle is going to stop holding water.

Im confused how this changes much.

Youll still need machines doing calculations to maintain the blockchain and ledger, right?

Anyway, as someone who has made some money on crypto, and is still hodling thousands in some tokens, Id be ok if it was banned.

Its literally gambling based on nothing, and while yeah, some regular folks are making money off of it, its also a way for the super rich to get super richer off the backs of bagholding shmucks dreaming of the moon.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Youll still need machines doing calculations to maintain the blockchain and ledger, right?

But Proof of Work involves algorithmically (and unnecessarily) increasing the calculations to limit the number of blocks that get generated via mining. This causes energy usage to scale with the number of active miners without a corresponding uptick in new token generation.

By contrast Proof of Stake is estimated to use 99.95% less energy because each person participating in the staking is not running their own rig to perform calculation, they are just contributing the tokens they own into the staking pool and new blocks are rewarded proportional to the amount staked.

So yeah, there is a big difference between the two.

Edit: Imagine 100 people with 100 computers running 24 hours a day and each of them has a 1% chance to win the new block reward. Now imagine 100 people with their computers turned off and each of them has a 1% chance to win the new block reward and there is 1 computer somewhere else that determined the winner. It's not quite as simple as that, but it's along those lines and scaled up to significantly more than a 1 / 100 difference.

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How about that new UN report, huh

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1424642945572016136

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Peace___Frog posted...

How about that new UN report, huh

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1424642945572016136

The only thing that can save us from global warming is nuclear winter!

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Suprak the Stud posted...

Tony your mistake is trying to apply logic to a situation involving anti-vaxxers.

What theyre saying is that all these COVID cases are actually just normal flu cases and the reason no one is taking about the flu or flu season is because there is a nationwide doctor conspiracy to push all those cases into COVID cases so the government can microchip you and watch you pee. Or something.

Dude at work told me that "what they don't tell you is that no one actually dies of covid. All these covid deaths are fake. What people actually die of is pneumonia and they just mark it down as covid because they get extra money for covid deaths. Pneumonia has been around forever."

I explained once you can get pneumonia from many different respiratory sources and covid is causing people to get pneumonia because of how it affects the body hence is being SARS-Cov-2. Severe Active Respiratory Syndrome.

He called me a sheep and asked if truly believe what I see on CNN. Lol.

Nothing you can say at that point.


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Cigarettes don't kill people, Lung Cancer kills people

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Peace___Frog posted...

How about that new UN report, huh

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1424642945572016136

A lot of doomsaying about this but I don't think anything has changed. Obviously the projections are worse than before. But the only solution still remains massive societal change. Maybe this will help people realize that.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

But the only solution still remains massive societal change. Maybe this will help people realize that.

have you seen the last year and change

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Corrik7 posted...

What people actually die of is pneumonia and they just mark it down as covid because they get extra money for covid deaths.

I really hate this myth. Hospitals do not make more money for COVID deaths and in general COVID has been horrible for hospital finances.

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Pro-tip: If you're ever accused of murder, just say the victim actually died from Covid. They'll know you're lying, but they'll be forced to drop the charges or else risk the entire Covid Death Economy falling apart.
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FFDragon posted...

have you seen the last year and change

Not everyone needs to realize it, just enough people for a climate revolution

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we can't even get enough people to revolt against an active virus that is continually killing people right now

how do you expect to convince enough people about a threat that is still in the abstract

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

But the only solution still remains massive societal change. Maybe this will help people realize that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

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https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1424713631581802496

Sanders and co released the reconciliation budget resolution. Tweet has the toplines, but picking out a few:

Universal Pre-K for 3 and 4 year olds
Community College tuition-free for 2 years
Paid Family and Medical Leave
Dental, Vision, and Hearing added to Medicare
New federal health program for those in the "Medicaid gap."

Apparently Sanders sent out a letter to the Senate committees about it and Medicare age is also being reduced to 60 as well.

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holy fuck, just look at this

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1424553962116718595

for something here and now, and this douchenozzle is actively telling everyone to ignore science

planet's gonna boil

humanity is fucked, enjoy the sunset


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FFDragon posted...

we can't even get enough people to revolt against an active virus that is continually killing people right now

how do you expect to convince enough people about a threat that is still in the abstract

First of all, it's not in the abstract, we can literally see the effects in real time as extreme weather, climate deaths, and climate migrations increase. I've talked to rural conservatives who don't think anything can be done (or just don't want to do anything) and even they admit they see the current effects because it's so blisteringly obvious. It's really not in question anymore. The fight is over what to do about it.

Secondly I didn't say it would be easy, or even that it would happen. I'm being honest about the path forward. If it does happen it would require an immense amount of organization and education, and also to just stop dancing around the issue.

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xp1337 posted...

https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1424713631581802496

Sanders and co released the reconciliation budget resolution. Tweet has the toplines, but picking out a few:

Universal Pre-K for 3 and 4 year olds
Community College tuition-free for 2 years
Paid Family and Medical Leave
Dental, Vision, and Hearing added to Medicare
New federal health program for those in the "Medicaid gap."

Yoooo. I want some government hearing insurance.

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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

First of all, it's not in the abstract

not to the people you're going to need to convince, which is my point

see: Rand Paul in previous post

people still don't believe covid exists and it's killing people daily

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FFDragon posted...

humanity is fucked, enjoy the sunset

Also humanity is absolutely not fucked. That's ridiculous. But lest you think I'm approaching this from an optimistic place I'll spell it out for you. The rich and powerful have enough resources and tech to ensure their survival. What's actually going to happen is the rise of ecofascism. Rich nations will abandon the global poor and millions or billions of people will die, but "humanity" is not going to go extinct. Another part of the way forward is getting people to realize that climate change is not going to affect everyone equally and this is not a problem for humanity as a species. We aren't all in this together and ironically the people who got us into the mess will be the most likely to survive what's coming.

I don't really care about what Rand Paul has to say on the subject, because he is a fascist and is in that group.

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FFDragon posted...

holy fuck, just look at this

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1424553962116718595

for something here and now, and this douchenozzle is actively telling everyone to ignore science

planet's gonna boil

humanity is fucked, enjoy the sunset

rand paul is better than all democrats and most republicans

source: sephyg

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You know, I bet pretty much everyone would support anti-COVID measures if stopping COVID didn't require them to change anything about their lives. Climate change is the same way; everybody wants to do something about it in the abstract, but only if fixing it requires nothing from them personally. We just need to find a way to fix climate change that keeps life exactly the same as it is now for everyone.
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Corrik7 posted...

Dude at work told me that "what they don't tell you is that no one actually dies of covid. All these covid deaths are fake. What people actually die of is pneumonia and they just mark it down as covid because they get extra money for covid deaths. Pneumonia has been around forever."

I explained once you can get pneumonia from many different respiratory sources and covid is causing people to get pneumonia because of how it affects the body hence is being SARS-Cov-2. Severe Active Respiratory Syndrome.

He called me a sheep and asked if truly believe what I see on CNN. Lol.

Nothing you can say at that point.

I have had people that are far left in my family tell me I am a moron for promoting vaccinations and that I didnt understand the science. I have my PhD in biochemistry and they work at Whole Foods.

Ive given up talking to most people because I dont know what else I can do to convince them. They want to believe what they already believe, facts be damned.

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xp1337 posted...

https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1424713631581802496

Sanders and co released the reconciliation budget resolution. Tweet has the toplines, but picking out a few:

Universal Pre-K for 3 and 4 year olds
Community College tuition-free for 2 years
Paid Family and Medical Leave
Dental, Vision, and Hearing added to Medicare
New federal health program for those in the "Medicaid gap."

Apparently Sanders sent out a letter to the Senate committees about it and Medicare age is also being reduced to 60 as well.

Yes straight into my veins please.

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FFDragon posted...

for something here and now, and this douchenozzle is actively telling everyone to ignore science

And of course he's a "doctor" which will give him credibility, as if any of the pro-covid people listen to any other doctors saying the exact opposite.

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xp1337 posted...

https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1424713631581802496

Sanders and co released the reconciliation budget resolution. Tweet has the toplines, but picking out a few:

Universal Pre-K for 3 and 4 year olds
Community College tuition-free for 2 years
Paid Family and Medical Leave
Dental, Vision, and Hearing added to Medicare
New federal health program for those in the "Medicaid gap."

Apparently Sanders sent out a letter to the Senate committees about it and Medicare age is also being reduced to 60 as well.

Were Sinema/Manchin involved with this or are they going to kill it?

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i love how rand paul says that "covid is no more harmful to children than the flu."

even taking his claim at face value (probably a bad idea, given that he called the CDC "anti-science" in the same clip), THAT MEANS WE SHOULD BE TAKING THE FLU MORE SERIOUSLY, YOU DUMB FUCK.

it blows my mind that when anti-vaxxers compare covid to other diseases, their conclusion is always "oh this obviously means that we shouldn't give a shit about ANY of these diseases ololo"

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