Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 376: Pigs in Space

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https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1420379957998542851

Terrible

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i'd say covid is a good example. no, trump didn't create covid and it's obviously a challenge that the whole world is facing. but no other country leader has been as completely atrocious at handling it as trump except maaayyybe bolsonaro.

my prime minister has been terrible at dealing with covid but he's still been leagues better than trump at it.

The reason Trump handled Covid so poorly is because conservatives let the 2016 election victory get to their heads, so they tried to make it seem like nothing changed since then and had to dance around the pandemic as a result.

I'd say it's karma for Trump since much of the reason he even got elected President anyways was because of those Comey letters casting doubt on Hillary Clinton at the worst possible time. Oh and congratulations America for proving the problem all along was not wanting a woman as POTUS.

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

The reason Trump handled Covid so poorly is because conservatives let the 2016 election victory get to their heads, so they tried to make it seem like nothing changed since then and had to dance around the pandemic as a result.

I'd say it's karma for Trump since much of the reason he even got elected President anyways was because of those Comey letters casting doubt on Hillary Clinton at the worst possible time. Oh and congratulations America for proving the problem all along was not wanting a woman as POTUS.

Trump handled covid poorly because (in addition to just being an idiot) hes a sociopath who literally didnt care about hundreds of thousands of Americans dying except for how those deaths affected him politically

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I just felt all along like Trump was in the position Hillary Clinton was in in 2016. I'd say it's amazing Trump managed to fool so many into thinking he's still just an upstart, but I guess anti-government sentiment and Biden's failing to get word out helped.

Thing is, Trump was arguably more impressive in 2020 than in 2016 where he lucked out facing an opponent much of the country was sick of and still managed to lose the popular vote. I figured his deficiencies would come back to bite him SOME time, and the fact it took only one term is astonishing. Even if it was under "strange" circumstances, Trump's administration was arguably far more divisive than Bush's first term.

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Today in cursed photos with no context

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Post from a Libertarian/Republican friend, thinking on it more, with that comment Pelosi has 100% killed any future student loan forgiveness for the foreseeable future, no Republican is going to go against this.


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Republicans were never going to go in favor of student loan forgiveness. It's a welfare policy and you can't do those perfectly equitably. You could forgive student loans and institute free tuition and you'd still get people whining about how they paid their loans. You could send out repayment for those loans and people would complain that now you're giving money to people who don't need it and whine about the debt. Politicians will come up with any excuse to not do something they just don't want to do and there will always be people to buy into it.

Also, we don't NEED input from Pelosi or Republicans as much as she wants us to think. She's covering for Biden.

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"Somebody else's obligations"

Weird, when we bailout wall-street Nancy is silent.

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https://twitter.com/elisestefanik/status/1421115026300186634?s=21



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I'm confused by that tweet. Aren't medicare and medicaid socialist programs?

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Aren't medicare and medicaid socialist programs?

That depends on what the definition of "socialism" is. Going by the technical definition (community ownership of the means of production), neither one is anything even close to socialism. Going by the the more usual modern definition (stuff GOP voters hate), Medicaid is 100% socialism but Medicare is usually not (though sometimes it is, such as when Black people are allowed to use it).
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well republicans define any program that is meant to benefit society as a socialist program, so i was going by that.

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In "we all knew but now we have receipts" news: Trump pressured top DOJ officials to declare that the election was corrupt even though they have found no instances of widespread fraud so that he and the GOP could push to overturn the election.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/us/politics/trump-justice-department-election.html

https://twitter.com/mmcauliff/status/1421149001089421319

Contemporary notes by the Acting Deputy AG have Trump saying, "Just say that the elction was corrupt + leave the rest to me" (and he names some allies in Congress like Jim Jordan and Ron Johnson.)

Comedy line: "You guys may not be following the internet the way I do."

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https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1421246848837296131?s=19

....okay

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Yeah, that was pathetic.

Over in the Senate there was reporting this morning that Sinema told Schumer she was going on vacation so if they didn't finish up whatever procedural stuff they needed to on infrastructure, etc. she was peace'ing out regardless. (And this would have included a hypothetical eviction moratorium extension since if the House actually did something it would have needed to go to them)

Pretty much nothing matters more to Congress then their vacations - which probably isn't even the right word for them given how frequent they are.

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lol Sinema is so cartoonishly offensive at this point that Im led to two conclusions: Shes intentionally taking heat for the rest of the party, or shes deadass and the Democrats big tent includes genuine monsters stopping progress on a whim, and I want no part of it.

I dont think these things are exclusive.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

and the Democrats big tent includes genuine monsters stopping progress on a whim, and I want no part of it.

green party sus

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Weird how with all the vacation time congress gets, there's NO guaranteed paid vacation time for actual people.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

lol Sinema is so cartoonishly offensive at this point that Im led to two conclusions: Shes intentionally taking heat for the rest of the party, or shes deadass and the Democrats big tent includes genuine monsters stopping progress on a whim, and I want no part of it.

She MUST be primaried. 100%. And don't tell me we can't do better. We did better in Arizona already. Mark Kelly is better than Martha McSall--err Kyrsten Sinema. It's easy to be confused by the two. I'm not sure they aren't just the same person at this point.

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Mitch doesn't have senate majority. She's better.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Mitch doesn't have senate majority. She's better.

And, would that suddenly change if we picked literally any other Democrat to replace her worthless sorry ass?

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It's pretty telling that it was Sinema who earlier this week said she couldn't support the $3.5t reconciliation package because it was too much spending (prompting McConnell to praise her and say she was very "brave" for saying so) while Manchin was onboard (or seemed to be) with it.

Like as annoying a barrier that Manchin is to good and just things happening, Sinema is by far the worst Democratic senator. Manchin, Feinstein, etc. can't even compare which is saying something.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jul/30/climate-denial-delay-inaction-british-government

A pretty good read on how the main issue is not people who do not think we should combat climate change but those who do yet are not willing to do enough, written by one Ed Miliband. Good stuff.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

lol Sinema is so cartoonishly offensive at this point that Im led to two conclusions: Shes intentionally taking heat for the rest of the party, or shes deadass and the Democrats big tent includes genuine monsters stopping progress on a whim, and I want no part of it.

I dont think these things are exclusive.

I warned everyone I talked too she sucked before she was elected. Her voting history in the house was abysmal, but all people would focus on was her wacky outfits and the fact Mike Pence was forced to swear in a bisexual.

The actual progressive candidate in Arizona running for governor got destroyed because Arizona still sucks. Thats why Sinema won.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Mitch doesn't have senate majority. She's better.

Dancedreamer posted...

She MUST be primaried. 100%. And don't tell me we can't do better. We did better in Arizona already. Mark Kelly is better than Martha McSall--err Kyrsten Sinema. It's easy to be confused by the two. I'm not sure they aren't just the same person at this point.

Pretty sure hes referencing this! She is both horrible but objectively better than Martha McSally in every way. I get your frustration but you went too far imo and I hate Sinema.

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I kinda quoted that strangely. Basically Im saying I agree with Chris, even though Im all for a primary challenge.

The only hesitation I have there is a true, genuine, actually good progressive ran the same year as Sinema for governor and got absolutely smoked. We can do better than Sinema because Arizona isnt West Virginia but it also isnt one of the good states yet.

Kelly has been fine though and we should be able to find someone around his level at least. Literally boring generic Democrat is even better than Sinema.

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Arizona is west west texas

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I'd rather be dead in California than alive in Arizona!
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https://twitter.com/donaldjtrumpjr/status/1421213631413424131?s=21

Dooming conservative politics forever to own the libs

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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/donaldjtrumpjr/status/1421213631413424131?s=21

Dooming conservative politics forever to own the libs

I believe this could actually be constitutional for states to do, because voting is not actually a right established under the U.S. Constitution (like free speech or gun ownership). States are allowed to discriminate for non-prohibited reasons against non-protected classes. For example, states could enter registered voters into a lottery and randomly select 10% of them to be eligible to vote.

There may possibly be a right to autonomy in making healthcare decisions for oneself, although it isn't expressly stated in the Constitution. I think most conservatives think the cases supporting that position were wrongly decided anyway.

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red sox 777 posted...

I believe this could actually be constitutional for states to do, because voting is not actually a right established under the U.S. Constitution (like free speech or gun ownership). States are allowed to discriminate for non-prohibited reasons against non-protected classes. For example, states could enter registered voters into a lottery and randomly select 10% of them to be eligible to vote.

There may possibly be a right to autonomy in making healthcare decisions for oneself, although it isn't expressly stated in the Constitution. I think most conservatives think the cases supporting that position were wrongly decided anyway.

Theres already SCOTUS precedent that vaccine mandates are not unconstitutional (I think from the 1918 flu?)

Oh actually it was for smallpox back in 1905:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

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Florida set a single day record high in COVID cases and Texas has passed NY in total COVID deaths (and remember NY got hit hard in the early days of the pandemic.)

So disgusting that we're probably going to see another wave and tens-of-thousands of deaths because the right wing has politicized masks and vaccines.

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At this point most of the deaths are unvaccinated idiots crying about freedom.

I have no sympathy anymore.

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red13n posted...

At this point most of the deaths are unvaccinated idiots crying about freedom.

I have no sympathy anymore.

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red13n posted...

At this point most of the deaths are unvaccinated idiots crying about freedom.

I have no sympathy anymore.

This. There's a thread on the politics board about a radio host who was super anti-vax, even to the point where he was still tweeting anti-vax shit while in the hospital. Suddenly he took a turn for a worse and stopped being anti-vax, and started saying he wished he got the vaccine and all that. Last few days, he got put on a ventilator and now the ventilator isn't enough and he needs treatment the hospital he's at literally can't provide, so they're trying to get him stable enough to move him to another.

Meanwhile, while he's laying there dying, his co-host is still spouting anti-vax shit.

Fuck these people.

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Hey guys, kids still cant get vaccinated

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fuck them kids
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StealThisSheen posted...

This. There's a thread on the politics board about a radio host who was super anti-vax, even to the point where he was still tweeting anti-vax shit while in the hospital. Suddenly he took a turn for a worse and stopped being anti-vax, and started saying he wished he got the vaccine and all that. Last few days, he got put on a ventilator and now the ventilator isn't enough and he needs treatment the hospital he's at literally can't provide, so they're trying to get him stable enough to move him to another.

Meanwhile, while he's laying there dying, his co-host is still spouting anti-vax shit.

Fuck these people.

Or you get s*** heads like Tucker Carlson who rail against the vaccine every night, but when he is asked if he's vaccinated he always deflects and says it's like asking about someone sex life.

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People who won't get vaccinated are absolutely making a massively stupid and selfish decision, but that doesn't mean they deserve to get super sick or die. And that's before we get to people who either can't get vaxxed (like kids, as jakyl mentions), are immunocompromised, or are just one of the unlucky few who get sick even despite being vaccinated.

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Plus the chance of another mutation that the current vaccines may not protect as well against. I'm already uneasy about how booster shots will go over even among some vaccinated people.

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Nah if you willingly don't get a vaccine and there isn't a. 1 exception you kinda deserve what you get.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Hey guys, kids still cant get vaccinated

Kids have a lower rate of hospitalizations AND lower mortality rate from COVID.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Nah if you willingly don't get a vaccine and there isn't a. 1 exception you kinda deserve what you get.

Yup.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Kids have a lower rate of hospitalizations AND lower mortality rate from COVID.

But there's still going to be instances of deaths that could have been avoided.

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I'm obviously not referring to kids or people that can't get the vaccine when I'm saying "Fuck these people." I'm referring to anybody that can get a vaccine and chooses not to.

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If somebody who could get the vaccine but chooses not to catches COVID and dies, I'm at the point where I'm willing to chalk that up to "play stupid games, win stupid prizes".

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Yeah I have no sympathy for the unvaccinated.

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xp1337 posted...

But there's still going to be instances of deaths that could have been avoided.

Well yeah, theres going to be some deaths which are sad, but I honestly think if you are rooting for the human race as a whole, the best outcome is this suddenly becomes twice as deadly. One of the largest factors of if you are going to be vaccinated is your level of societal trust, and eliminating humans with low societal trust is what lets societies collectively come together and survive.

Prior to 300 years ago people with low levels of societal trust just died on their own by wild animals, famine, marauders whatever. Now they dont, and we are seeing why thats a problem.

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People complaining about discrimination against the unvaccinated is freaking rich. Soon any sort of bias against groups of people will be labelled as such even when it's over things the discriminated has control over.

I suppose conservatives could use some time in the real world.

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https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/07/30/nassau-county-woman-loses-fiance-mother-grandmother-to-covid/

My spouse told me Three less votes for republicans in Florida was not the correct response to reading this.

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