Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 376: Pigs in Space

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Jakyl25
07/21/21 7:33:21 PM
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Oh Im sorry those are just billionaires

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ChaosTonyV4
07/21/21 7:38:53 PM
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https://twitter.com/goodpoliticguy/status/1417919419246911493?s=21

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TheRock1525
07/22/21 2:16:13 AM
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Speaking of pigs, I very much appreciate when the "Back the Blue" people get dunked on by the actual blue.

https://twitter.com/MarkSZaidEsq/status/1418045004317089794

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Peace___Frog
07/22/21 7:14:30 AM
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Good title

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LinkMarioSamus
07/22/21 8:31:34 AM
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One thing I have heard bandied about by some is a question why Democrats were allowed to question Trump's election victory in 2016 when conservatives are getting scrutinized over questioning his 2020 loss. Not only was it on nowhere near as much a scale, but liberals had one single narrative surrounding the 2016 results which was interference form a foreign country. Conservatives this time just seem to be throwing out general excuses or accusing the government of being unbelievably corrupt which is serious.

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banananor
07/22/21 9:27:21 AM
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"allowed"

Who's talking about allowed? People are allowed to question whatever they want.

Are people confused about what it means to be wrong?


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Forceful_Dragon
07/22/21 10:03:28 AM
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It's just typical GOP bullshit.

"When trump won, you questioned the results, this is just us doing the SAME THING".

Nevermind the fact that the focus of the questioning wasn't on the votes themselves (most people generally agreed the votes themselves were correctly calculated) but rather that a foreign government had deliberately attempted to sway voters in our presidential election and people involved with the trump campaign knew about this interference and even attempted to coordinate the release of false information from certain sources.

So they are saying "We allowed you to voice your 1 credible line of questioning, therefore you should allow us to voice our 1,000 dubious lines of questioning".

Which ignores the fact that they did NOT even allow or facilitate an investigation into the 2016 election. They blocked it at every conceivable turn and threw a damn fit and called IT a conspiracy theory despite multiple intelligence agencies agreeing it occurred.

It's just false comparison bullshit.
And revisionist bullshit.
But when you smush two turds together it becomes impossible to tell where one lie begins and the other lie ends and it just becomes more difficult to articulate why they are wrong because you have to dissect the wrongness in layers.

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LordoftheMorons
07/22/21 10:27:44 AM
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https://twitter.com/bensiegel/status/1418210599855529985?s=21

Charlottesvilles former Rep who was primaried by a nutjob because he officiated a same-sex wedding

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LinkMarioSamus
07/22/21 11:55:07 AM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
It's just typical GOP bullshit.

"When trump won, you questioned the results, this is just us doing the SAME THING".

Nevermind the fact that the focus of the questioning wasn't on the votes themselves (most people generally agreed the votes themselves were correctly calculated) but rather that a foreign government had deliberately attempted to sway voters in our presidential election and people involved with the trump campaign knew about this interference and even attempted to coordinate the release of false information from certain sources.

So they are saying "We allowed you to voice your 1 credible line of questioning, therefore you should allow us to voice our 1,000 dubious lines of questioning".

Which ignores the fact that they did NOT even allow or facilitate an investigation into the 2016 election. They blocked it at every conceivable turn and threw a damn fit and called IT a conspiracy theory despite multiple intelligence agencies agreeing it occurred.

It's just false comparison bullshit.
And revisionist bullshit.
But when you smush two turds together it becomes impossible to tell where one lie begins and the other lie ends and it just becomes more difficult to articulate why they are wrong because you have to dissect the wrongness in layers.

The crazy part is the complete 180 in America's fortunes (at least pandemic-wise) and over 50% approval rating for Biden suggest that he really is who Americans wanted in office. But no, people will continue insinuating something shady must have happened because of meaningless incidents like "poll watchers being kicked out" and "shutters going down".

Like, I'm seeing so many narratives around how the election was "stolen" it's ridiculous. Was it Dominion Software? Was it stuffing of mail-in ballots? Was it some kind of interference at the polling stations (or wherever votes are counted)? The two instances are nowhere near as comparable and it's shameful that people actually take the whole idea of the election being stolen seriously.

I'm convinced by now the reason conservatives try to downplay the pandemic is they want to pretend nothing changed since 2016. They accuse the left of fabricating a pandemic to control people when they're doing the very same thing in the process of such. Are they trying to pull off their best 1984 impression?

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ChaosTonyV4
07/22/21 2:39:44 PM
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https://twitter.com/lefty_jew/status/1418229476614279168?s=21

Israel, Iran, and now Cuba: Joes foreign policy has been closer to Trump than Obama.

Were ratcheting to the right, folks.

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DeepsPraw
07/22/21 3:06:57 PM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
https://twitter.com/lefty_jew/status/1418229476614279168?s=21

Israel, Iran, and now Cuba: Joes foreign policy has been closer to Trump than Obama.

Were ratcheting to the right, folks.
Honestly its worse than trump. also LOL implying obama's FP was even halfway decent

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HeroDelTiempo17
07/22/21 3:20:28 PM
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https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1418266492446167045?s=19

can we sanction ourselves for our own repression of protests?

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Leafeon13N
07/22/21 3:32:42 PM
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DeepsPraw posted...
Honestly its worse than trump.
Can we stop saying dumb things. These topics last forever and now the dumb things dont wash away.
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Mega Mana
07/22/21 10:15:51 PM
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https://twitter.com/SenWhitehouse/status/1418241007985078279?s=19

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Forceful_Dragon
07/22/21 10:51:46 PM
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Shocking.
I am shocked.
Surprised pikachu face.
Etc.

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HeroDelTiempo17
07/23/21 8:38:49 AM
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[screams internally]

https://twitter.com/lizcgoodwin/status/1418532286077841414?s=19

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Reg
07/23/21 8:59:38 AM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
[screams internally]

https://twitter.com/lizcgoodwin/status/1418532286077841414?s=19
Dumb
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LinkMarioSamus
07/23/21 9:02:55 AM
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Trump's foreign policy was one of the most-praised aspects of his administration, no?

And even then I think he completely lucked into it since he was out to accomplish the sole task of making himself look good.

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masterplum
07/23/21 9:20:07 AM
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Reg posted...
Dumb

You are proposing killing the filibuster to enact a voting rights act instead?

I mean neither of these options are good ones. You kill the filibuster and lose the election you suddenly could be looking at a packed Supreme Court by republicans.

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HeroDelTiempo17
07/23/21 9:27:57 AM
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Can we please kill this fucking meme that Trump had good foreign policy? He didn't. The Trump admin's foreign policy was mostly characterized by:

- weakening our ties to allies
- reaching out to become closer to authoritarian regimes (most of which didn't even stick because Trump would piss them off later)
- trade embargos for nebulous reasons
- supporting foreign coups
- literally everything that happened (and still is) at the US-Mexico border
- yelling VERY LOUDLY about how you're not a warmonger while drone strikes increase and the state "subtly" tries to manipulate Iran into a war

Please enlighten me as to what is good about this (don't, it's rhetorical)

If you want to argue that Biden's foreign policy is largely a continuation of Trump's then sure, that's mostly true and the improvements are generally so marginal that I don't really care to argue about them literally being the same. But please stop acting like Trump's was GOOD and Biden is worse.

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Xeybozn
07/23/21 10:03:00 AM
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masterplum posted...
You are proposing killing the filibuster to enact a voting rights act instead?

I mean neither of these options are good ones. You kill the filibuster and lose the election you suddenly could be looking at a packed Supreme Court by republicans.

Why would Republicans need to pack the Supreme Court when they'll have at least a 6-3 advantage already? And if they really wanted to do that (or anything else that scares Democrats), they could just get rid of the filibuster themselves at any time. Really, the filibuster helps the GOP way more because it blocks popular Democratic bills and gives them an excuse for not passing the crazy stuff that the GOP base wants the most.
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DeepsPraw
07/23/21 10:17:27 AM
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"authoritarian regime" is 1000% a CIA dogwhistle. basically Red Scare v2.0


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NFUN
07/23/21 10:39:52 AM
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it's amazing how consistent of a bootlicker you are DeepsPraw

he's talking about fucking NORTH KOREA

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HeroDelTiempo17
07/23/21 10:42:06 AM
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DeepsPraw posted...
"authoritarian regime" is 1000% a CIA dogwhistle. basically Red Scare v2.0

You know, the CIA can use things are propaganda that are also partially true. They do this all the time, actually. It also doesn't force you to defend shitty nations just because the US hates them. It's actually very easy and cool to simply declare that all nation-state authoritarianism is bad without shilling for specific ones. You should give it a shot!

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ChaosTonyV4
07/23/21 10:42:32 AM
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HeroDelTiempo17 posted...
If you want to argue that Biden's foreign policy is largely a continuation of Trump's then sure, that's mostly true and the improvements are generally so marginal that I don't really care to argue about them literally being the same. But please stop acting like Trump's was GOOD and Biden is worse.

Im not going to argue Biden is worse in a literal sense, but heres how I see it.

Trumps foreign policy was objectively worse than Obamas, on one hand he was basically just antagonizing other nations depending on his whims, and on the other he was a textbook neocon who broke off peace talks because thats what he does.

Now we have Biden, and he has the opportunity to immediately reverse course and go back to the Obama positions, but hes not.

In regards to Iran, Secretary of State Blinken said that Iran needs to be back in compliance before we even come to the table-despite the fact that every other nation on Earth says Iran was IN compliance when WE broke the deal.

On Cuba, Joe Biden called it a failed state and an authoritarian regime, meanwhile there are massive protests in Colombia where the police are literally gang-raping protesters and its silence (our media is also wildly silent on this compared to Cuba).

This is objectively bad foreign policy, and I dont think its better than Trump is something anyone needs to say, its whataboutism at this point.

I think its worse than Trump is bombast and while technically wrong, is the sort of thing where we were told it would be SOO much better, and its not. Being lied to/disappointed hurts more than getting the shit sandwich you expected, basically.

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HeroDelTiempo17
07/23/21 10:53:39 AM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Im not going to argue Biden is worse in a literal sense, but heres how I see it.

Trumps foreign policy was objectively worse than Obamas, on one hand he was basically just antagonizing other nations depending on his whims, and on the other he was a textbook neocon who broke off peace talks because thats what he does.

Now we have Biden, and he has the opportunity to immediately reverse course and go back to the Obama positions, but hes not.

I think its worse than Trump is bombast and while technically wrong, is the sort of thing where we were told it would be SOO much better, and its not. Being lied to/disappointed hurts more than getting the shit sandwich you expected, basically.

I mean I agree that Biden has been more of an immense disappointment, which feels worse even if it isn't.

I'm not going to dig too deep in this but I strongly disagree with the idea that it's whataboutism. It would be if I was trying to excuse Biden, but I'm not. A lot of people are though, so I get it. Most of his policy is still unacceptably bad. I'm just trying to acknowledge the reality that Biden is a marginal improvement, and when I say that I literally do mean marginal. I also agree with you that it's not a USEFUL comparison to make most of the time, but when people are trying to directly compare them I think it's warranted.

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DeepsPraw
07/23/21 11:04:51 AM
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NFUN posted...
he's talking about fucking NORTH KOREA
so am I

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NFUN
07/23/21 11:08:23 AM
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DeepsPraw posted...
so am I
Which is you're such a baffling bootlicker!

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Dancedreamer
07/23/21 11:32:11 AM
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...
I think its worse than Trump is bombast and while technically wrong, is the sort of thing where we were told it would be SOO much better, and its not. Being lied to/disappointed hurts more than getting the shit sandwich you expected, basically.

Trump was worse than we expected to be honest. Like, we knew he'd be bad. But he always found a way to make it worse.

And Biden, did we really expect him to be so much better? Like... I think we all knew Biden would be the moderate democrat we knew he was during the primaries.

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HeroDelTiempo17
07/23/21 11:37:36 AM
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Biden is basically just



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banananor
07/23/21 11:41:23 AM
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i mean, this was low-key the worst thing about what trump did as president.

he damaged or gutted so many internal institutions and international relationships irreparably, to the point that whoever came next was not going to be able to fully recover.

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masterplum
07/23/21 12:24:04 PM
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Xeybozn posted...
Why would Republicans need to pack the Supreme Court when they'll have at least a 6-3 advantage already? And if they really wanted to do that (or anything else that scares Democrats), they could just get rid of the filibuster themselves at any time. Really, the filibuster helps the GOP way more because it blocks popular Democratic bills and gives them an excuse for not passing the crazy stuff that the GOP base wants the most.

Because they are insane and could do it for giggles

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Peace___Frog
07/23/21 2:17:44 PM
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Mega Mana posted...
https://twitter.com/SenWhitehouse/status/1418241007985078279?s=19
Who could have possibly predicted this

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xp1337
07/23/21 3:58:03 PM
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I mean, the filibuster basically exists to stop progress.

Republicans can already get most of what they want through reconciliation (tax cuts, slashing the safety net) or it just isn't an obstacle to begin with (judges). It's Democratic policy and goals that it almost solely obstructs.

The idea of a legislature being paralyzed unless it can get a supermajority is insane and there's a reason no other country governs like this.

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xp1337
07/23/21 4:41:26 PM
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Yikes at these demographic breakdowns on the question of "Is voting a fundamental right or a privilege?"

https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/1418511464986521601

Honestly, all the numbers are pretty bad (Overall topline is merely 57-42 saying voting is a right, not a privilege)

White Americans: 51-48
50-64: 52-47
65+: 51-47
HS or less education: 54-45

The only demographic that outright says voting is a privilege and not a right is, unsurprisingly, Republicans - and by a lot: 32-67 with it moving to 25-74 for self-identified Conservative Republicans. By contrast Dems are the most likely to say voting is a right, not a privilege, at 78-21 (in a near tie with Black Americans who say the same at 77-21.) Though further broken down to self-identified Liberal Democrats increases it to 87-12.

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FFDragon
07/23/21 4:44:17 PM
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I'm sure a lot of people support stripping voting rights from felons and whatnot.

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xp1337
07/23/21 4:48:04 PM
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I know, but I'm doubting most respondents to the poll are going that far in their thinking when faced with a more philosophical level poll question. If it had prompted them with that idea, sure.

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Paratroopa1
07/23/21 5:51:25 PM
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FFDragon posted...
I'm sure a lot of people support stripping voting rights from felons and whatnot.
Is that supposed to make me feel better about peoples' responses because I find this to be a morally repugnant viewpoint
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FFDragon
07/23/21 6:06:59 PM
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No not really I was more trying to figure out a reason for the responses beyond "people shouldn't vote in general"

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PrinceKaro
07/23/21 6:09:43 PM
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FFDragon posted...
No not really I was more trying to figure out a reason for the responses beyond "people shouldn't vote in general"

well, racism

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LordoftheMorons
07/23/21 6:46:14 PM
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https://twitter.com/carolinesimon66/status/1418229929829937152

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MoogleKupo141
07/23/21 8:12:31 PM
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https://twitter.com/therickwilson/status/1418642838443773956?s=21

why are these guys still making anti-trump ads

what does this accomplish at this point
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GuessMyUserName
07/23/21 8:22:03 PM
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build good will with liberals for when they start targeting progressives

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Samurai7
07/23/21 9:35:41 PM
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MoogleKupo141 posted...
https://twitter.com/therickwilson/status/1418642838443773956?s=21

why are these guys still making anti-trump ads

what does this accomplish at this point

An attempt to attack trumpism within their own party. It's not about Trump personally for them I'm sure. Trump was out of office when Liz Cheney got thrown under the bus. They probably want more Republicans like her and feel they need to attack the rising tide in their party.

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xp1337
07/23/21 10:02:29 PM
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That's the charitable version - that they're trying to root out Trumpism in the party (lmao good luck, Trump gave the base what they always wanted and they're not going to want to go back the lip service and dogwhistles of the past)

The petty version is that they know Trump sees this shit and it drives him up a wall and they derive petty satisfaction from that, and if so I'm all for that.

The cynical version is along the lines GMUN said - that they're trying to rehabilitate the old GOP brand through moderate Dems and infiltrate that mindspace to gain a foothold to further sabotage any progressive inroads.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
07/23/21 11:30:39 PM
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xp1337 posted...
I know, but I'm doubting most respondents to the poll are going that far in their thinking when faced with a more philosophical level poll question. If it had prompted them with that idea, sure.
What other possible scenario would there be where someone loses the right to vote? If you're a convicted felon, you have demonstrated an inability to co-exist in society and your opinion no longer matters. It's pretty clear cut

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Forceful_Dragon
07/23/21 11:32:19 PM
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Then why do we let people out of prison.

And why do we say they've "paid their debt to society" when they have served their sentence.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
07/23/21 11:45:13 PM
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That's a dumb saying, and the only reason we let people out of prison is because it's too expensive to keep them there and there's no reason to if they aren't a violent offender.

Wanna fix criminal justice, get rid of prison sentences for drug use, and start heavily punishing actual crimes far more harshly.

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ChaosTonyV4
07/24/21 12:08:21 AM
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I hereby sentence Black Turtle to life in prison for posting

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Grimlyn
07/24/21 12:37:28 AM
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BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
the only reason we let people out of prison is because it's too expensive to keep them there
holy fuck what in the absolute hell

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