Board 8 > MLB and Baseball Topic #2: Jeff Wilpon is an Embarrass-met

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Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://twitter.com/YankeesWFAN/status/1155650428958388225?s=19

Yep, it was entirely spite. Congrats, Mets.

He didn't actually say that. Reading comprehension, my friend.
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WiggumFan267 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

https://twitter.com/YankeesWFAN/status/1155650428958388225?s=19

Yep, it was entirely spite. Congrats, Mets.

He didn't actually say that. Reading comprehension, my friend.

It was a quote attributed to him. The follow-up tweet came after I posted this.
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Wigs: "I'm a dickhhead."
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he didn't actually say that
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It was obvious that wasn't a direct quote even before he added that follow up.
He was parodying the fact that Brodie said "Come get us" as a challenge to the rest of baseball/the NL East before the season started.

Everyone has been using that to mock Brodie all season long, any time something bad goes wrong. I'm surprised you didn't know about that
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WiggumFan267 posted...

It was obvious that wasn't a direct quote even before he added that follow up.
He was parodying the fact that Brodie said "Come get us" as a challenge to the rest of baseball/the NL East before the season started.

Everyone has been using that to mock Brodie all season long, any time something bad goes wrong. I'm surprised you didn't know about that

I don't follow Mets preseason press conferences, no
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Well anyway I would think it'd be obvious that a GM wouldn't make a direct attack like that on another team. It's not his beef. Now, if Fred or Jeffy Wilpon had said it, I wouldn't be surprised.
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At 11-2 the Giants have the best record of any team in extra innings games this season.

At 26-10 the Giants have the best record of any team in 1-run ball games.

With that said they have only just managed to claw themselves up to 2 games over .500 after what has been an absolutely absurd July. In fact they may have the best July record of any team this season with their 18-5 record this July. They still have two games to play this month and also I'm not sure how to easily verify this stat other than manually looking at each other teams schedule...

But for a decidedly mediocre record they have some stats that give them the appearance of a team that can squeeze out a playoff appearance if they can just keep coming through in the clutch down the stretch.

14.5 games back from first. (lol)
2.5 games back from wildcard.
The dream is alive.
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Apparently there was a commotion in the Jays clubhouse after the game yesterday and it involved Stroman being pissed that he got traded to the bad New York team.
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That's just rampant speculation.
What's your source?
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Actually, I am seeing the sources now. But he was just upset (via sources so who knows - that could still just be speculation) that he wasn't traded to a contender this year.

I mean, I would prefer to be contending too so can't blame him. (I'd also be pissed I was traded to a place where ownership is going to force me to pitch through injuries).
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davidponte posted...

Apparently there was a commotion in the Jays clubhouse after the game yesterday and it involved Stroman being pissed that he got traded to the bad New York team.

Damn, this makes me like him for the Yankees even more
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it was for any contending team. he wanted to go the Astros, Yankees, or Red Sox.

https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1155869935379341312
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If the Tigers manage to maintain their current pace they've been playing at the past 2 months they will finish with 122 losses

A true commitment to tanking
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Looks like the Mets traded Vargas to the Phillies for a AA catcher.
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yep. No such thing as a bad return for him, so literally doesn't matter who they got. Even though he was having an ok year, you can't trust that. At a minimum, this trade at least makes it very clear they have no intention of contending this year, for anyone that thought they might be trying cuz they got stroman. The Stroman trade was obv an attempt to contend in 2020 only.

But, in the funny part of the trade, since the guy they got is a no bat, all-defense 26 year old in AA... it looks like he played at Penn with Jeff Wilpon's son in college so like.... yep certainly no ulterior motive here lol.

Can't be mad either way cuz like I said it literally could've been anyone, I was expecting nothing for him. But man, the Wilpons gonna Wilpon.

Also fuck Jason Vargas for being a piece of shit. "Fight me bro"
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wow another huge trade for a non-contender. It's about trying for next year, I guess!

Padres get Trammell (#30 overall prospect) from Reds
Indians get Puig from Reds, Logan Allen (#98 overall prospect) and Framnil Reyes from Padres
Reds get Bauer from Indians

i think the indians got most screwed here. That is not proper value for Bauer. Puig is a rental. Franmil Reyes is 'eh'.
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Also apparently Puig is still in the game and is in the middle of a brawl right now >_>

https://twitter.com/mike_petriello/status/1156389915120275465

(Also also syndergaard is dominating tonight, don't trade him you fucks)
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Jesus christ, Amir Garrett trying to fight a whole team by himself

https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1156390177675370496
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Seems like a good deal for the Indians to me. They're only a couple games out of first place and they needed the outfield help. Plus their rotation is in good shape even without Bauer. I could be wrong but I think Kluber and Clevinger are supposed to come back before the end of the season right?

You're right I think though that in a vacuum it doesn't really equal Bauer's value. But Indians have been in "win now" mode for a while, so I guess that's why they went for it.
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Clevinger has been back for a few weeks
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KCF0107 posted...

Clevinger has been back for a few weeks

Ah good to know.
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hanging your hopes and dreams on kluber seems pretty risky at this point

also hi KCF I guess we are rivals for a few days. Thanks for helping to boost syndergaard's trade value, this makes it less likely he's traded as the wilpons will only ever sell low, not high
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We don't discriminate. We are an equal opportunity organization who will make any SP look fantastic.
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Wigs, if you were GM, what would the Yankees have to offer you for you to realistically think about giving up Thor?
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until the usual metsing happens like this right now, that is.

Hate syndergaard being taken out here. Still, what a performance.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Wigs, if you were GM, what would the Yankees have to offer you for you to realistically think about giving up Thor?

Now that I've already traded prospects away for Stroman, nothing. Trading Syndergaard is counter-intuitive to that
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WiggumFan267 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Wigs, if you were GM, what would the Yankees have to offer you for you to realistically think about giving up Thor?

Now that I've already traded prospects away for Stroman, nothing. Trading Syndergaard is counter-intuitive to that

Not even for Andujar, Clint Frazier, and some sweet pitching prospects?
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

WiggumFan267 posted...

Nelson_Mandela posted...

Wigs, if you were GM, what would the Yankees have to offer you for you to realistically think about giving up Thor?

Now that I've already traded prospects away for Stroman, nothing. Trading Syndergaard is counter-intuitive to that

Not even for Andujar, Clint Frazier, and some sweet pitching prospects?

The Mets don't really need anymore poor defensive players.

Even if the Mets were willing to trade with the Yankees, it wouldn't really make sense to do so at this point.
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Yeah, the Mets #1 focus for next year needs to be on fixing their abysmal defense both in the infield, and a strong defensive centerfielder, and fixing the bullpen.

(edit: And more pitching depth... so definitely not trading pitching)

Those guys are a terrible fit for them.
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Also Seth Lugo has ice in his veins, awesome job coaxing coming into a bases loaded 8th inning 1 out jam, 1 run game, and gets the double play
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The Yankees are welcome to Zack Wheeler though. one of Frazier or Andujar for Wheeler is fair, but again, not really considerate of the Mets defensive needs
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What about Torres for Thor straight up

I'm getting desperate here
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take the cano contract also and i'll think about it

Edit: I'll do syndergaard and the wilpons straight up for Yankees ownership + Cashman
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You can have Jacoby Ellsbury. He's a center fielder.
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Edwin Diaz is the fucking worst pitcher I've ever fucking seen.

How the earthy fuck does a guy with a 1.60 ERA last year have zero fucking control every single fucking night this year

Walk
K
Wild Pitch
HBP in the face
Wild Pitch
Sac Fly
Walk
K (strike 3 should've been ball 4 but he swung at a garbage pitch)

tie game, extras.

The Cano/Diaz trade is literallygoing to go down as the worst trade in mets history. So fucking awful from every fucking aspect.

-get 2 awful players, one of whom has one of the worst contracts in MLB history.
-give up your 2 elite prospects, a quality outfielder and a quality reliever.
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He's not supposed to be that bad though. You can say there's no such thing as bad luck all you want, but that definitely appears to be a part of it.

But yeah, looking like a pretty bad trade. Maybe Cano magically becomes good as he gets older. Who the fuck knows with this sport?

Also, looks like that inning was all on him. I was doing something and not fully paying attention, so I guess I missed out on the total lack of control. That McCann hit was pretty wild. Good thing the shoulder deflected the ball.
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Relievers are volatile. When you trade for one at his highest possible value, you're giving up way too much and have to expect regression. This is a team that fired its pitching coach mid-season so they're pretty much admitting (even if they're wrong) that it's on them.

It's not just Diaz. The entire bullpen has been awful except for Lugo. This is 100% on them and not luck, because if they had even 1 iota of competence they would've had someone else by now able to fill in at the closer role, but they don't have that. They don't have bullpen depth. Diaz being awful would not affect this team as much had they done better int he bullpen. Him being bad is luck, but his poor pitching affecting the Mets as significantly as it has is 100% their fault. Not luck at all.
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WiggumFan267 posted...

Relievers are volatile. When you trade for one at his highest possible value, you're giving up way too much and have to expect regression. This is a team that fired its pitching coach mid-season so they're pretty much admitting (even if they're wrong) that it's on them.

It's not just Diaz. The entire bullpen has been awful except for Lugo. This is 100% on them and not luck, because if they had even 1 iota of competence they would've had someone else by now able to fill in at the closer role, but they don't have that. They don't have bullpen depth. Diaz being awful would not affect this team as much had they done better int he bullpen. Him being bad is luck, but his poor pitching affecting the Mets as significantly as it has is 100% their fault. Not luck at all.

I never claimed their failure to build a bullpen was bad luck though. Just that the quality of the pitching was.
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sure, theres luck involved on a small scale like that. Big picture isn't luck. Any good pitcher having a bad year can be attributed to bad luck, not arguing that. I'm just saying Mets brass doesn't get to use bad luck as an excuse for his bad season because with more smart moves, his bad season would be much less destructive to the Mets season.
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woooooooow McNeil and Conforto went back to back, take that 5-2 lead I'm back all in baby (lol)
McNeil did it for his new puppy. Juiced ball aided though.
Conforto's donger was massive though.
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You were right for sure back when you said Mets fans underrate Conforto a lot. The guy wasn't the savior of the franchise, and he's streaky, but he's been a very good player for them. Even heard some suggest to trade him, which I thought was pretty crazy.

Also I hope Alonso steps it up. It's going to be a very close race for ROTY between him and Tatis Jr. I think.
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this is Alonso's first slump all year, he'll be fine

And yeah, it's sad how much they underrate Conforto. This is a fanbase where the dumb fans love to underrate everyone.

Anyway Pete alonso tweeted some sappy shit with a LFGM so I guess I'm suckered back in for now and ready to get hurt again lol
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tradez day

First baseman Jesus Aguilar has been traded from the Milwaukee Brewers to the Tampa Bay Rays, sources tell ESPN.

Utilityman Tony Kemp is headed to the Chicago Cubs from Houston in exchange for Martn Maldonado, a source tells ESPN.

HYPE
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We didn't need Aguilar really, he hasn't been that good this year. Still, our first base platoon is now 3 lefties, and Travis Shaw has sucked this year. Hard.

Brewers also traded with the Giants, reported as "significant". Thought they were getting Will Smith or Madison Bumgarner. Turns out it was Drew Pomeranz and Ray Black for Mauricio Dubon (one of the few prospects they had that was worth anything).

They got Jake Faria for Aguilar, and also got Jordan Lyles earlier in the week. Still don't think it'll be enough considering how crowded the NL is, and how long they waited with no real pitching after Woodruff and Hader, but maybe they'll go on another run.
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a lot more things are happening now too!!!
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The Rangers have done two things of note it looks like so far:
1) Received a minor league pitcher I know nothing about for Chris Martin, who has been 'ok' at best this year
2) Received INTERNATIONAL BONUS POOL MONEY hell yeah (and a reliever that can't play this year) in exchange for minor league pitchers

So Pomeranz is a free agent after this year. And the Brewers (who have what seems to be considered the worst farm system in the league) gave up one of their few prospects for a rental. What the hell.

Also, they traded Marcos Diplan to the Twins for cash. So much to keep track of.
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GREINKE TO ASTROS whaaaaaaaa

(also aaron sanchez)

Mets held onto wheeler. Probably a bad idea , they're not competing this year, I don't think they think that. This means they're trying to extend him?
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Pretty awful trade deadline for the Yankees unless there's something else that just hasn't been revealed yet. Astros are now the clear favorites to win the AL. Yankees are going to have a difficult time this postseason.
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