Lurker > Panthera

I just watched the Itoh/Riho match, it was...fine? Nothing special but aside from a really bad repositioning to take the double stomp Itoh didn't really do anything that stood out too poorly (and that might be partially Riho's fault for dropping her too far anyway). The only thing I don't get is that I keep seeing her fans online talk about how her character is so likable and sympathetic and makes you want to see her finally succeed at something, but whatever she might be online she seems like a pretty clear heel on the show.

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Deleting my posts is my way of reminding myself I decided to stop whatever I was doing

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Last post was unreasonably snarky, sorry. Done with this discussion since it won't go anywhere new.

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skullbone posted...

They treated it seriously and then the bomb was a BOTCH. So they had to CHANGE THE PLANS and turn it into a joke from Kenny. You can't have people fake injuries with sparklers going off outside the ring. They had to justify the bomb being a piece of shit so Kenny turned it into a joke.

This is probably a waste of time to keep talking about this though because anything less than AEW opening with Eddie/Moxley's funeral is clearly not serious enough for you.

Why does "botch" mean "turn it into a joke"? That's absurd. If anything the botch makes it more important to be serious to help get back on track. I already laid out how you can mostly gloss over the shit explosion (which is fine, we know it's a botch, we don't need to have them try to pretend it was part of the story) by just having Moxley out from the beating he took. Then the deathmatch is still serious, you can still do the stuff with Kingston by saying he was freaking out, Omega can still taunt him over it by saying he tried to play the hero but was too late or some similarly non-comedic assholery, etc. I know the ending of the PPV sucked and put them in a bad spot so I'm not expecting them to have a perfect answer, they just need to get the right emotional feel.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Bro, I don't care if you like the show or the segment. The only thing I'm "offended by" is that you have it in your head it was presented one way even though if you watched the show (or read the words I typed out for you) that it wasn't presented that way at all, and that you're trying to argue with people who actually watched it about what went on, even though you're willfully ignorant of what actually happened.

I don't watch a ton of AEW (or wrestling period anymore really) but I've been following this story decently well. The problem is you just refuse to get that I don't think like you even when I spell it out. I don't care if the goofy comedy was only a small part of the whole. It existing at all is already a deal breaker. It completely kills my ability to get invested. This is a storyline that I need to see treated 100% seriously for it to add up because anything else just makes the whole thing feel absurd to me. There's a reason serious and dramatic stories usually don't have comedy built into their emotional high points, it might be able to work sometimes and it's nice that it did for you here, but for some of us it kills the mood.

StealThisSheen posted...

When you keep going "I can't take anything they do seriously ever again because of this," it sounds like you're trying to find ways to hate on it because it just seems so ridiculous of a reaction, so you do you I guess

And trust me, I'm far from an AEW defender

Or maybe, just maybe, I'm watching a segment and my first reaction is "wow I feel dumb for ever caring, fuck this company". Doing dumb shit that undermines serious moments hugely erodes future trust in the story telling. It doesn't kill it forever but it does set things up such that they need to deliver strongly on a couple of major angles to convince me they care to do so in a way I'll enjoy. The more I see a wrestling company (or video game story, or movie series, or whatever) do shit that cuts away what I found interesting, the less I find myself getting interested to begin with because I just feel like they'll ruin it anyway. Kind of like how WWE has turned a lot of people off with some of its stop/start pushes and hyping up guys like Ziggler briefly only for it to never pay off. And while WWE has had plenty of time to do more dumb shit, I don't think even Rollins/Fiend in the cell had the same level of visceral "fuck this shit" sentiment for me, though granted that's probably more due to me already having given up on WWE delivering consistently on stuff I'm enjoying than it is the relative quality of the two.

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StealThisSheen posted...

I admit I haven't caught it in awhile, but my impression was Kenny was always a much less serious heel to begin with, so it's completely in character for him.

Going "it was a deathmatch, deathmatches are 100% serious and sacred and now no element of the feud can be less serious ever" seems like it just completely ignores the character involved.

I mean, my initial reaction to this whole thing was that Kenny Omega challenging Moxley to an exploding deathmatch was kind of dumb because he doesn't seem suited for it, but they went ahead and did it. It's a stipulation that demands being serious in my eyes, because it's the most serious thing you can do. You're building a match out of using barbed wire and explosions on your opponent on top of whatever other stuff you pull out, even with a dud finale it's a stipulation built on doing potentially lethal things to your enemy. You can't get more serious than this! Why is it crazy to want it to be treated as such? If that doesn't fit the character then don't do the fucking match! I don't get why people act like it's insane to say that if a company makes decisions that put them in a position to not fully deliver a satisfying product, it's not their fault for having willingly put themselves in that position to begin with.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

You could've just said you didn't watch Dynamite man.

You could've just said you're irrationally offended by people not thinking a show you like is great but here we are.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

They are making fun of a man who thought he was going to die or get seriously hurt protecting his friend and had a panic attack over it, when it was really just a fake bomb. And if you can't see why that makes them hateable heels that need to get their asses beat, I don't know what to tell you.

Why should I buy into any beating they end up getting when this show has clearly established it's okay with making jokes out of not delivering on things it builds up?

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Did you even watch Dynamite, Panthera?

Edit: I ask because you're acting like the whole thing was goofy comedy. I say "No only this part where they're making fun of Kingston". And then you proceed to continue talking like the entire thing was comedy.

So I'm just confused why you're arguing like this when it seems like you really didn't watch for the entire context of how they dealt with it, and you're willfully ignoring me explaining exactly how they dealt with it.

This isn't something where you can afford to break the tone, if it's goofy comedy at all, it's all goofy comedy. We're talking about a deathmatch for the world title in a feud between your two top stars who have an 18 month old grudge where the top heel is bringing in his buddies from outside the company to invade and help him out. If this isn't being taken 100% seriously then what ever will be? Nothing will ever be as deserving as being treated seriously at this. It's the absolute last thing that should ever have any comedy involved.

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Or you just sell that Moxley is injured (as in: not on TV for a while) from the massive beatdown he took, say Kingston was a hero for trying to help him, have Omega brag about how he took Moxley out in his own match type and don't draw attention to the fact that you fucked up the big thing you were hyping as if it's cool that you didn't deliver. If you insist on acknowledging it, Omega can say it's a sign of how great he is that he didn't even need a big explosion to defeat his rival, insult Kingston for thinking he was saving the day when the damage was already done, etc. Take it seriously because it was a god damn deathmatch because if that's not an occasion to be totally serious, what is?

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It makes me not want to see them, period. Why should I want them to get beat up? So the next show can just do goofy comedy with it? Between the behind the scenes stuff with Khan asking why anyone would expect anything serious when Omega was involved and what's shown on screen with the EXPLODING BARBEDWIRE DEATHMATCH having little effect beyond setting up a joke I'm not buying into a beatdown as meaning anything, unless they plan on having Omega get decapitated on live TV I'm not buying anything that happens to him mattering. And I think we've established they don't have the special effects budget to pull that off convincingly.

This was the payoff to a match that contains a bunch of shit that could legit kill someone. I don't understand why anyone would want to get invested if even THAT won't be treated 100% seriously by everyone involved. And they already had Omega still goofing around a bit in the build up, and now he's goofing off again...to mock people...for thinking there was danger...in the deathmatch.

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Omega and Callis are flailing around on the floor yelling about 69ing each other. If it's not meant to be goofy comedy it's literally worse than if it was. At some point I'd like to think that maybe a story involving guys hitting each other with exploding bats and barbed wire and all that shit should just maybe involve everyone involved actually being totally serious. It's only something that could legitimately kill you even if the final explosion is a dud after all.

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Responding to the botch by retconning your exploding deathmatch into goofy comedy doesn't exactly compel me to get invested in anything you try to portray as serious in the future

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Yeah I had already seen the clip, I was just joking. Should have realized that wasn't obvious since Kane's pyro is indeed a lot cooler than whatever the hell that was

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So AEW's big exploding deathmatch thingy culminated in what amounts to a Kane entrance but without the Kane or the colour filter?

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Looking at the results of voting for best draw (why is this a thing people vote on) is hilarious.

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JustMyOpinion posted...

I assume she means your danger zone.

JEEZUS

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Even b8 doesn't watch wrestling anymore

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Pokewars posted...

And I don't know if I've ever interacted with you. And I have an independent mind. I don't tie myself to a politician. But hey, it's easier for lizard brains to lump everyone they hate into one category.

All you've done is randomly invent conspiracy theories about the DNC or whoever having influenced literally everyone here that is opposing you so you can lump them all blindly together without having to engage with any individual

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I'm not sure what there is to discuss with Rush Limbaugh. Mocking people who have recently died that you dislike is 100% justified by his own admission from doing it. What more fitting tribute to the man than to act like him about him?

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NP: Virgin Steele - Victory is Mine

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Primordial - The Coffin Ships

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5onHLICxgc

DeathVelvien posted...

Fates Warning

Favorite song by them is probably Epitaph

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TW43k5OWdc

Interesting song pick, I feel like Apparition or Exodus would be the more common choices

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Dislike

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SolRaiderN7 posted...

I personally don't believe what she said what Anti-Semitic and people who keep saying this are really lowering the bar for what is and isn't considered Anti-Semitic.

Saying that people disagreeing with you is equivalent to the genocide of millions is absolutely anti-Semitic (and also anti-everyone else the Nazis targeted). You have to be viewing the lives of those people as less than dirt to think that what they went through and what you've dealt with are comparable.

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Pooper producers

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Shotgunnova posted...

This fog creeper had a bunch of freeze-related attacks and I didn't have any resistances, so this was kind of a bad matchup. I wonder if having the new light-element stance was supposed to thaw me out or something, but I didn't bother checking

The Luminous stance does give you greater resistance to heat and cold. The sanctuary dungeon has at least one room that depends on it

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Unknown5uspect posted...

Bruh it's snowing. In Houston.

It's -20 C here and this is the warmest day of the past week by a noticeable margin. My definition of cold weather is a bit strict <_<

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CosmicShadows posted...

Yeahhhh not in this cold Texas weather.

I'm not convinced cold Texas weather is a thing that exists

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If you don't live within walking distance it's more like an inconvenient store

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It's great. Good story, cool battle system, great music

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I was a pretty big pro wrestling fan from around 2001 (starting in the late 90s really but I couldn't watch any given show on a regular basis back then) to about 2014, since then I've grown less and less interested and now only occasionally watch anything. It's not just an issue of WWE having a lot of stuff I don't like, I've just reached a point where a lot of the traditional cliches of pro wrestling just feel super dumb to me and the kind of product I'd like to see doesn't really exist and never will

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Hbthebattle posted...

Like, what exactly, such that inviting a riot to take over the Capitol doesnt qualify

Her emails

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Suffocation - Liege of Inveracity

Starting off your career with the best death metal song of all time is pretty good

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Well, they got more votes than last time at least. Maybe if Trump was still in office and explicitly ordered an annual attack on Congress enough Republicans would come around to be able to finally get him convicted in 2023.

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KCF0107 posted...

I'm up to 37% in HZD. I've only done about 10 story missions, but even with having purple weapons, I still struggle with certain machines (I don't want to see another giant bird for awhile). Thus, I have been doing some side quests/errands and going through bandit camps and cauldrons for extra experience and capabilities. I don't really like the caludrons from a gameplay standpoint, but I like the rewards.

Stormbirds are one of the strongest enemies in the game and arguably the toughest to actually fight, if you're having issues with them it's pretty normal.

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gunplagirl posted...

Is it creepy for a high school senior to be dating a person who is about to earn their doctorate?

Yeah. How the fuck is this a question.

Is it creepy for people who are literally in the same class at university to be dating? There are tons of 18 year olds in classes with people 24+, the latter of whom aren't always at the very end of their education either and may well be in their first year as well

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Datsyuk was a great player and all but he's not even vaguely close to this discussion <_< If you want Detroit bias you could always say Gordie Howe

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Xtlm posted...

Fun Fact, before Lemieux retired the first time he averaged over 2 points per game.
The most of any NHL player.
He went into the Hall of Fame with that average.

It was only when he came back his PPG lowered to below Gretsky. Old broken diseased Lemieux could only average 1.34 PPG in the 2000's in the height of the dead puck era.
Which by the way "In fact, he had the highest points-per-game average amongst NHL players for the entire period from his 2001 return until his final retirement in 2006."
He didn't play full seasons but old man Lemieux was still the best player when he was on the ice.

I will always think Lemieux > Gretzky

Retiring younger always makes your PPG look good. Lemieux's first retirement came when he was at 2.005 PPG. After the same number of seasons played Gretzky was at 2.31 PPG. It's the same reason Mike Bossy has the best GPG of anyone (barring guys from the days when players were on the ice the whole game) and likely always will - he retired before the age where goal scorers almost universally have their production go down. For the sake of comparison, Lemieux was the second fastest player to reach 1000 career points. Wayne Gretzky of course did it fastest. Gretzky also went from 1000 to 2000, which no one else has even done, in fewer games that Lemieux went from 0 to 1000. So Gretzky is essentially the fastest *and* second fastest player to reach 1000 points, which is beyond ludicrous. Makes no sense to discredit him solely for being healthy enough to keep playing mostly full seasons as he aged which naturally lowered his PPG like it has for almost every single player in NHL history. There's also the fact that he won more awards, led the league in scoring more often, scored more at even strength than on the powerplay relatively than Lemieux did, played way more games, won his last scoring title at roughly the same age Lemieux did anyway, was even better in the playoffs (not a small achievement given the competition), etc.

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I feel like the GBA would have really hurt some of the music

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Gretzky is an easy one, Jordan is right, Brady is probably what I'd say too. Don't know enough about soccer or baseball to have an opinion

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I see people already sold the merits of Radiant Historia well enough so I guess I don't have much to add

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