Lurker > Panthera

I predict that Carmella somehow wins every match
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I can't remember what stories are even going on in this so I'll just pretend it all makes sense
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Oh phew, we're back to normal. I was worried for a while there
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Wait what is this wrestling write up stuff
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Next page status: On

Day or two status: Given

Lopen status: ERROR ERROR ERROR
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Next page initiated. I eagerly await the update I know is comi-hahahaha
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Another day with no update. Thanks, Obama
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Hey I gotta throw the low blows, that's how you build hype. Just ask Nakamura...okay maybe not
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Does it make you wonder?

Does it make you consider?

Contemplate?

Calculate the path to success? Find the road to your dream?

Or in the end, does it just fill you with the urge to do what you love most...

Watch Total Bellas?
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Brock Lopen teaching us that the best way to draw is to never perform
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This project is like some weird joke that someone got most of the way through telling, realized they forgot the punchline to, and tried to compensate by just kind of nervously muttering for a while in the hopes that you don't notice
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For me it's not really the time investment so much as it is the general principle <_<

With a bit more prep and maybe reading up on what the second phase is like I'm sure I could beat it, but I don't feel interested at all in playing a game that is deliberately set up to screw you over like that. No save point inside, no leaving, no warning that you'll need a full team, and the final boss is a huge spike in strength compared to the other bosses so even if you clown them you might be borderline on winning legit? Stupid and I have no desire to indulge it
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Well I tried out the final dungeony thing...

And fuck this shit. Have to sit through eight boss fights just to get to the final boss, and they're not too impressive so I figure I'm strong enough...then the final boss is a gigantic, insane difficulty spike and you need to have two fully equipped parties to deal with it, not that I got to see the second one in action before I got annoyed at stopped? I've done a lot of exploring and side stuff and stolen several cities clean of all their valuables, unlocked every advanced subclass and generally got my team set up pretty strong, so it's not like I'm underleveled for what you'd expect of someone who has just finished all chapter 4s. I am so not interested in a final boss that I have to waste a bunch of time just to get one try at without any save since before the previous boss rush
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Every chapter 4 complete, now just to round up all the side quests/optional dungeons and also do that fancy final thing I've heard about being available once you beat all stories and a few side quests.
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Well after failing on two of the advanced subclass bosses, the third one was easily trivialized with Dancer divine skill + Apocathery Rehabilitation preventing his whole gimmick from working.
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Finished with all chapter 3s, paid a visit to Grandport. Got very lucky with scrutinizing an old lady with a 16% chance on the first try, and all of sudden Therion's steal rates went from middling on a lot of things to 100% on everyone I've checked so far. So that's a pretty amazing buff to my team. Also had my first run in with an advanced subclass boss, the Archmagus and got slaughtered...but that was before my trip to Grandport so I should be able to go back with much better armor to survive the onslaught.
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I'm done 5 chapter 3s now, the boss fights are starting to get competent, Alfyn and Ophilia's bosses were no slouches. Also I was kind of amused that there was a boss that reminded me something from another game entirely, so I decided to try hitting it with fire because the thing in the other game is weak to fire, and it turned out that fire really was one of its weaknesses.
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Onto chapter 3s now, Olberic's and Alfyn's are both level 32, so I did them first. Olberic's was decent enough, enemies put up more of a fight but weren't too special. Alfyns...holy shit that dungeon had some powerhouse enemies in it and the boss was brutal. First fight I died on that didn't consist of me heading into a dungeon I was way too weak for and running into a boss out of my league. Hoping the rest of the chapter 3s continue to bring legit opposition.
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Oh there's another wolf besides just the one in Ophilia's chapter 2? Cool. Hope it puts up a fight, my only problem with the gameplay so far is it hasn't been tough enough, but I'm guessing the format is basically chapter 1 is easy to get you used to the game, chapter 2 introduces bosses with some tricks but nothing too tough, then chapter 3 and 4 is where the tricks start to get serious and the bosses really dish out the damage.
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I wanted to go to each place so I could fast travel back later, plus get some equipment. In the long run it wouldn't really change that the last few chapters would be pretty low level compared to my team.

That direwolf didn't get to do too much to me, it had some nasty tricks but I was able to break it before it could get off whatever fancy thing it was charging and killed it fairly quickly
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Well, it turns out that wandering to each chapter 2 town in turn makes you very overleveled for each...I kind of hope the levels scale up as they did for chapter 1s as you complete more, because my main team is already above every chapters level. Kind of hurts the incentive to do any side dungeons when I'm already too strong.
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Well, I have 7 jobs available to subclass now, just need to find dancer, which from what I'm looking up is apparently kind of off the beaten path instead of right on the way to chapter 2 towns like all the others? I'm trying to get a couple extra characters leveled up while I wander around to all the new locations, I've been using 4 characters (Ophilia, Cyrus, Therion and Olberic) pretty much exclusively, so now I'm trying to get Primrose and Tressa caught up a bit as well.
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Has the era of casual waifuing come to an end?

I hope so!

But preferably without taking this topic down with it
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I'm late to the party, finished off all chapter 1s and am now onto chapter 2 stuff. So much stuff to choose from that I will probably wander around aimlessly forever. I've managed to get one game over thus far, tried doing the ice giant study sidequest a bit too early and got wrecked, I think with some better armor to let me survive better I can probably handle it though, so once I've toured the chapter 2 towns and gotten equipment from them I'll go back and give it another shot.
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My aimless wandering managed to find the Apothecary subclass and a side dungeon where I fought what I'm going to call Venomoth. I brought a team that could hit every weakness except bow, wind and dark...so naturally Venomoth (okay it's called Monarch) is weak to bow, spear and dark, making for a somewhat more complicated fight than need be as Olberic was the only character I had that could exploit its weakness and it takes ten hits to break it. Luckily I had a bunch of shadow soulstones laying around I could throw at it, had just learned Therion's armor corrosive skill to maximize damage when I did get the break, and had found some fairly strong weapons so I could kind of brute force my way through to get the win. Now I'm at Ophilia's chapter 2 town, but I'm probably going to go visit all the others to get subclasses unlocked and upgrade my equipment before proceeding

I don't think I want to bother with character talk perfectionism personally, I might do that on a future playthrough but for now I'll probably just do stuff as it comes to me and see whatever I happen to see in the process.
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So I got this recently, finished all chapter 1s. Which chapter 2 should I do first? From what I've read I can go around unlocking subclasses by heading for the various chapter 2 towns, so that's probably my first priority, but I'm also trying to finish off side quests and see if there are any optional dungeons I was too weak for at first that I can beat now. Also trying to get rich so I can buy stuff, I realized pretty quickly that save scumming stealing can break the game so my current plan is probably to just Purchase stuff instead so money will put a limit on how much nonsense I can get up to.
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Yes
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Yeah Lopen that sounds about right. I don't completely ignore story and character or anything, to me they're just there to provide a bit of extra context for the matches and fill the time between matches in a feud (which is important since I prefer guys who are feuding to not directly lay hands on each other much, if at all, during the build up to a PPV unless the feud has been going on a while and they've had a big PPV match or two already...so there needs to be *something* of value going on to build it up)
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Gotcha. I do value great matches a lot though!

Yeah thinking about it more you're really more in between the guys like Lopen who are total opposites to me and me, I guess I had their comments on the brain or something
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Basically you put a way higher premium on character and story telling than I do. In twenty years of watching wrestling I've never seen a story that went beyond being a decently enjoyable set up for a match, the vast majority to me is just "generic angry dude yells at generic angry dude" stuff that I only don't dislike because I don't hold it much of a standard
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I disagree with what qualities you value relative to others (the reasons given in write ups), not necessarily the actual conclusions (the specific rankings)
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Nice work on all these write ups, even if I totally disagree on basically everything about how you rate wrestlers lol (although oddly enough DDP would rank pretty high for me too, in my case just because he was my favourite when I started watching WCW as a kid in the mid/late 90s)
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Yeah the dark mage skills are super useful for making enemies easier to kill
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Being locked to bows is generally bad thing, especially in a game like Awakening that is insanely focused on enemy phase combat where bows rarely even get to do anything
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Awakening is the last game to worry too much about starting classes in <_< You can switch away immediately!
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Lopen posted...

Okay so in theory they maybe had it right. In practice though in hard or higher difficulty you absolutely get blindsided by a lot of them compared to story chapters of the time

I think the only real problem there is the whole map based availability. Like Owain's chapter is easy as hell but you need to make it through chapter 15 to even do it, while something like Severa's chapter is available as soon as you beat chapter 13 and has way stronger enemies
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He's a kid whose identity you totally won't be able to figure out when you first meet him

Specifically: He's Cherche's son
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For reference if you're confused on what a map is, it's just like the random encounters - you can enter the map, see or skip the cutscene, look at what it's like and then just exit immediately without any ill effect.
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Punnyz posted...

I'm not burned out on FE yet, I'm deciding whether I should go back and do radiant dawn or do Fates next after awakening

I have that super special awesome cartridge that has everything in it

Fates can be good as kind of a break from the norm to avoid burnout, it has a ton of mechanics that are a bit odd compared to the rest of the series (weapons have infinite durability but come with various side effects to balance out the stronger ones, skills are much more obviously useful than in Awakening, the pair up system has been redesigned to be way more strategic). If you're into the whole Waifu Emblem thing it's also likely to appeal on that front too. Writing is somewhere between bad and worse, but gameplay wise it's got some pretty cool ideas and Conquest is great from a challenge stand point.
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Peace___Frog posted...

Yeah, kids can only inherit skills from parents if the parents know them

Edit: i think?

Directly, but since they inherit classes they can just level up to get other skills as well.

Punnyz posted...

so Gaius gets Astra through being a fighter, which probably involves the second seal?

From Mercenary (Swordmaster), actually. Fighter doesn't do a huge amount for him, it just gets turned into pegasus knight for any daughters he has, giving them flight and galeforce and all that
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Punnyz posted...

Huff n puff 20 posted...

Gaius offers Galeforce and Astra.

would Gaius need to already know these before he could pass them on?

I'm lookin at my Gaius and its not there

Children inherit classes from their parents so no. In fact, Gaius can't have Galeforce at all since he's a first generation dude, but he can be a fighter, and since girls can't be fighters, and daughter he has gets to have pegasus knight in its place (even though Vaike doesn't give daughters pegasus knight access despite being a fighter himself, oddly enough).

"Hard support" is basically just a character that isn't good for actual combat (generally due to lack of galeforce or speed or both) but is good for pair ups (pair up attacks can be half or more of your damage with the right setup). So the "hard support trio" is basically just characters that for various reasons are only really good as dedicated pair up bots
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Kenri posted...

That's still a lot of grinding. Also there's no guaranteed Celica's Gale in the main game so lol

Entirely free DLC lets you buy them, and the renown award system means after a couple playthroughs you can get one for free, so they're not that hard to come by unless you're challenging yourself by not using that stuff.

Kenri posted...

This makes more sense to me, I can see how dark fliers would be good under this setup. I might change my mind on the class if I ever play lunatic difficulty; on hard they've done nothing but disappoint me though.

Yeah they can seem underwhelming if you're actually using them at the seemingly intended level curve, since Galeforce takes forever to get and other classes will give you better attack stats. It's only when you funnel all the experience into a small number of characters (which Lunatic heavily encourages with its bonkers enemy stats and frequent "open space where everything comes at you" design) that it starts to stand out above everything else, since you can have multiple Galeforce users by the time the kids become available and even characters with bad magic growth can have decent magic damage if they're ten levels beyond what the game probably expects.
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Kenri posted...

Robin I can see, but Sumia's gonna be starting with an E in magic so she's not killing much of anything until that's fixed.

Like I'm not doubting your experience but even on my minmax Awakening run, getting Galeforce was the "thank god" moment when I could finally switch back to a class that could actually contribute beyond Rally Movement and pair-up. It just has not been good to me and it seems like you need a lot of extra effort to make it good.

It depends on how much experience you get her, plus stat booster usage. If I'm making Sumia part of the team she gets the first Seraph Robe so she can actually survive and the first Energy Drop, then pairs up with Kellam for chapter 3 and Frederick for chapter 4 and beyond since they provide the right boosts for each other. If you feed her kills early she'll usually be strong enough to get a lot of experience in the desert chapters and promote fairly early. It's probably not the best low turn count approach (that tends to be all Robin all day, even moreso than usual), but it's not all that hard to do.

The important thing is that Robin and whoever s/he is paired up with basically solos the majority of any given map, so all you're really doing with the rest is picking who else gets experience, except in cases where flying units can put in work regardless, which obviously Sumia gets to do regardless. Lunatic Awakening is really just the Robin show where you pick one or two other combat units to use as a project on the side and for the sake of unlocking children chapters for more experience/items, then riding the kids the rest of the way, so you might as well pick the character that produces Galeforce/Rescue shenanigans eventually...regardless of how dubious the magic stat may be lol
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Heroic Bigpun posted...

You see, now that I'm more familiar with the game and I'm starting to get children, I'm ready to soak this knowledge in. Just barking that I'm doing everything wrong when I don't even know what you're talking about is not the way to do it.

I wasn't aware that I was barking anything, I'm a cat

Kenri posted...

Maybe I've just been screwed but I've never found a phys/magic split class that could competently use both, definitely including Dark Fliers.

Robin has the stats to really abuse it, but pretty much anyone can be effective with it. You get plenty of spirit dust and don't have too many other people to use them on, plus enemy resistance sucks most of the time (and most of the exceptions have bad defense, it's really only Dark Knights that are a problem, and you have Beast Killers for them anyway), plus given you'll have the speed to double, all you really need to do is be able to 3 or 4 hit kill an enemy since pair up attacks will do the rest for you. Even on Lunatic difficulty Sumia doesn't struggle to kill things with magic, for example (she only struggles with surviving more than one hit)
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Punnyz posted...

ohhh I see.

So it becomes about opening up that class to as many people as you can

I guess thats why my marriage choices are "bad", huh? They don't get access to that class

so without BREEDING

can any of the gen 1 people learn it on their own?

I guess Sumia and Cordelia since its a "flier" class, right?

For minmax purposes, yes, trying to get Galeforce on as many kids as possible is the way to create the ultimate endgame god party (that is complete overkill for anything other than one DLC pack).

Anyone in gen 1 that can be a Pegasus Knight can get it. Sumia and Cordelia can just promote into it, while Lissa, Maribelle and Olivia can all get it via reclassing (either to Pegasus Knight unpromoted, or directly to Dark Flier from a promoted class). The latter three all have male children, so those kids can only get Galeforce by inheritance (if you don't already know, when you go into the list of equipped skills on your units you can rearrange them, which is important because whichever equipped skill is at the bottom of the list will be inherited by a kid when you do their chapter, aside from Chrom who passes down a predetermined skill to any kids he has). Female Robin can obviously get it due to having every class, her son has to inherit it from her.
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Kenri posted...

It's a fun skill but IMO it's hardly even worth suffering through the Dark Flier class to get.

"Suffering"

Like a class with great speed, resistance and mobility that has access to both physical and magical weapons is a hardship instead of a godsend <_<
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Galeforce is the level 15 skill from the Dark Flier class (one of the promotions for Pegasus Knight). Once per turn, it allows you to move and act again after killing an enemy. It's one of the most broken skills you could have in Fire Emblem, and combined with Rescue and Olivia it lets you utterly trivialize every "defeat boss" chapter by clearing it in one turn by just skipping your way across the whole map and killing the boss right away. Also breaks every single group of enemies that are supposed to be tough to find a way to tank, as you can just run in, kill one and run back out of range without concern
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You have enough staff users without Gaius to not miss him being a Trickster, he doesn't have the magic to do cheesy Rescue stuff anyway
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Man I swear if a guy lost a twitter poll and destroyed his own house with a sledgehammer, it would really remind me of Brexit
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Heroic Bigpun posted...

I understand it had to lead to something romantic incase you have female robin

Nope

Female Robin has completely different supports with Chrom

And they're the dumbest
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