Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 364: Absolute Proof (Citation Needed)

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HeroicCrono 02/13/21 12:48:10 PM #301:	Glad we're getting witnesses after all. --- This is Red Sox 777 on a mobile phone. <cite>HeroicCrono posted [p:950596817] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Glad we're getting witnesses after all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZaziGuado 02/13/21 1:03:30 PM #302:	HeroicCrono posted... Glad we're getting witnesses after all. lol --- snowpork azuarc is OP. <cite>ZaziGuado posted [p:950597280] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>HeroicCrono posted... </cite> <quote>Glad we're getting witnesses after all.</quote> lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/13/21 1:18:54 PM #303:	Dumb as hell decision. The counsel on both sides agreed to enter Herrera-Beutler's (GOP Rep who corroborated the McCarthy/Trump call details) written statement on the matter into evidence as witness testimony but that that would be it and they've proceeded to closing arguments. Hearing that feelers were sent out to people near Trump/Pence and no one was willing to cooperate and there was some concern about calling unwilling witnesses but this is such a stupid decision. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:950597749] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Dumb as hell decision. The counsel on both sides agreed to enter Herrera-Beutler's (GOP Rep who corroborated the McCarthy/Trump call details) written statement on the matter into evidence as witness testimony but that that would be it and they've proceeded to closing arguments. Hearing that feelers were sent out to people near Trump/Pence and no one was willing to cooperate and there was some concern about calling unwilling witnesses but this is such a stupid decision. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/13/21 1:58:16 PM #304:	Or not. Dems are a joke for not going through with the witnesses after they won the vote to do so. The R position that there is no jurisdiction is consistent with not calling witnesses - if the Senate lacks jurisdiction there is no reason to have any further proceedings. The Dem position is just throwing in the towel. So we are going to have 2 impeachment trials, both without witnesses and both ending with Trump being acquitted. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:950599018] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Or not. Dems are a joke for not going through with the witnesses after they won the vote to do so. The R position that there is no jurisdiction is consistent with not calling witnesses - if the Senate lacks jurisdiction there is no reason to have any further proceedings. The Dem position is just throwing in the towel. So we are going to have 2 impeachment trials, both without witnesses and both ending with Trump being acquitted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/13/21 2:10:56 PM #305:	https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1360652535334203392?s=21 --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:950599362] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/drmistercody/status/1360652535334203392?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/13/21 2:26:07 PM #306:	Reporting is that Senate leadership pushed the House Impeachment managers to back off calling witnesses and to instead settle for simply entering Herrera-Beutler's memo as written testimony. i take back all the nice things i was saying about you if this is true schumer --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:950599857] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Reporting is that Senate leadership pushed the House Impeachment managers to back off calling witnesses and to instead settle for simply entering Herrera-Beutler's memo as written testimony. i take back all the nice things i was saying about you if this is true schumer </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/13/21 2:27:41 PM #307:	--- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:950599911] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/13/21 2:32:40 PM #308:	weren't you complaining they were wasting their time with this trial to begin with? shouldn't you be glad that it's going to end today because of this decision? --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:950600063] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>weren't you complaining they were wasting their time with this trial to begin with? shouldn't you be glad that it's going to end today because of this decision? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 02/13/21 2:34:19 PM #309:	If everyone really is entrenched there isn't anything to gain over dragging the trial out another week other than possibly creating war weariness among people who aren't bloodlusting for trump. Unless you thought witnesses would actually change anything (hard sell), I don't think skipping witnesses is a bad thing. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:950600111] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>If everyone really is entrenched there isn't anything to gain over dragging the trial out another week other than possibly creating war weariness among people who aren't bloodlusting for trump. Unless you thought witnesses would actually change anything (hard sell), I don't think skipping witnesses is a bad thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/13/21 2:38:13 PM #310:	masterplum posted... If everyone really is entrenched there isn't anything to gain over dragging the trial out another week other than possibly creating war weariness among people who aren't bloodlusting for trump. Unless you thought witnesses would actually change anything (hard sell), I don't think skipping witnesses is a bad thing. They could have deposed witnesses in committee with the actual trial itself in recess until they were done, conducting normal business in the meantime. I agree it wouldn't have changed the end result, but I think it's important to get all this in the record to make it as damning as possible for the cowards and traitors who are going to vote to acquit. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:950600208] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>If everyone really is entrenched there isn't anything to gain over dragging the trial out another week other than possibly creating war weariness among people who aren't bloodlusting for trump. Unless you thought witnesses would actually change anything (hard sell), I don't think skipping witnesses is a bad thing.</quote>They could have deposed witnesses in committee with the actual trial itself in recess until they were done, conducting normal business in the meantime. I agree it wouldn't have changed the end result, but I think it's important to get all this in the record to make it as damning as possible for the cowards and traitors who are going to vote to acquit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/13/21 2:40:43 PM #311:	xp1337 posted... weren't you complaining they were wasting their time with this trial to begin with? shouldn't you be glad that it's going to end today because of this decision? It IS a waste of time, and when I said that. UshiromiyaEva said I was just mad that Trump might actually face consequences, lol. Is this not an approved time to criticize the Dems? They went this far, closing in on a month since inauguration with no checks...and for what? --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:950600287] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>weren't you complaining they were wasting their time with this trial to begin with? shouldn't you be glad that it's going to end today because of this decision?</quote> It IS a waste of time, and when I said that. UshiromiyaEva said I was just mad that Trump might actually face consequences, lol. Is this not an approved time to criticize the Dems? They went this far, closing in on a month since inauguration with no checks...and for what? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
masterplum 02/13/21 2:41:17 PM #312:	xp1337 posted... They could have deposed witnesses in committee with the actual trial itself in recess until they were done, conducting normal business in the meantime. I agree it wouldn't have changed the end result, but I think it's important to get all this in the record to make it as damning as possible for the cowards and traitors who are going to vote to acquit. I just don't get "damning as possible" I'm pretty sure every single person in America has pretty much made up their mind on Trump. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdWiElvIQAAQpBt.jpg <cite>masterplum posted [p:950600310] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>They could have deposed witnesses in committee with the actual trial itself in recess until they were done, conducting normal business in the meantime. I agree it wouldn't have changed the end result, but I think it's important to get all this in the record to make it as damning as possible for the cowards and traitors who are going to vote to acquit.</quote> I just don't get "damning as possible" I'm pretty sure every single person in America has pretty much made up their mind on Trump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreaper 02/13/21 2:43:35 PM #313:	xp1337 posted... weren't you complaining they were wasting their time with this trial to begin with? shouldn't you be glad that it's going to end today because of this decision? hes just been complaining about his check --- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. <cite>neonreaper posted [p:950600393] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>weren't you complaining they were wasting their time with this trial to begin with? shouldn't you be glad that it's going to end today because of this decision?</quote> hes just been complaining about his check </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 02/13/21 2:44:59 PM #314:	I stopped paying attention to anything Tony says after he said "daddy wants his check". --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:950600446] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>I stopped paying attention to anything Tony says after he said "daddy wants his check". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/13/21 2:50:31 PM #315:	God, youre so boring --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:950600616] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>God, youre so boring </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 02/13/21 2:54:49 PM #316:	but Tonys right, they should really be getting checks to all the daddies right now --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:950600771] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>but Tonys right, they should really be getting checks to all the daddies right now</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamikazePotato 02/13/21 2:58:02 PM #317:	Not calling witnesses because it would be a 'waste of time' is a bad argument. Everyone knows that Trump was always going to be acquitted - by that logic you could call the entire proceedings a waste of time, if you look at it through the narrow-minded scope of the only purpose of the proceedings being to convict Trump. It's about getting everything on the record, holding people accountable (as much as our broken system can), and, of course, optics. If there are witnesses to be called, you call them, because doing anything else looks weak to your base and sets a horrible precedent. --- It's Reyn Time. <cite>KamikazePotato posted [p:950600888] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Not calling witnesses because it would be a 'waste of time' is a bad argument. Everyone knows that Trump was always going to be acquitted - by that logic you could call the entire proceedings a waste of time, if you look at it through the narrow-minded scope of the only purpose of the proceedings being to convict Trump. It's about getting everything on the record, holding people accountable (as much as our broken system can), and, of course, optics. If there are witnesses to be called, you call them, because doing anything else looks weak to your base and sets a horrible precedent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 02/13/21 3:00:01 PM #318:	masterplum posted... If everyone really is entrenched there isn't anything to gain over dragging the trial out another week other than possibly creating war weariness among people who aren't bloodlusting for trump. Unless you thought witnesses would actually change anything (hard sell), I don't think skipping witnesses is a bad thing. It's important to have the trial in public to show the people the evidence. This is going to look like, the Democrats didn't call any witnesses because they had no evidence, or they knew the witness testimony was going to hurt their case. Whether or not that is the case, that is what it is going to look like. Trump is going to loudly proclaim he was completely and totally exonerated, and that the whole thing was a witch hunt. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:950600942] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>masterplum posted... </cite> <quote>If everyone really is entrenched there isn't anything to gain over dragging the trial out another week other than possibly creating war weariness among people who aren't bloodlusting for trump. Unless you thought witnesses would actually change anything (hard sell), I don't think skipping witnesses is a bad thing.</quote> It's important to have the trial in public to show the people the evidence. This is going to look like, the Democrats didn't call any witnesses because they had no evidence, or they knew the witness testimony was going to hurt their case. Whether or not that is the case, that is what it is going to look like. Trump is going to loudly proclaim he was completely and totally exonerated, and that the whole thing was a witch hunt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/13/21 3:06:27 PM #319:	jfc i should turn off the defense closing arguments for my health more both sidesing of BLM and the protests over George Floyd with January 6 (with the added implication that if we cracked down with force and condemned those then maybe the insurrection just never would have happened!) --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:950601122] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>jfc i should turn off the defense closing arguments for my health more both sidesing of BLM and the protests over George Floyd with January 6 (with the added implication that if we cracked down with force and condemned those then maybe the insurrection just never would have happened!) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/13/21 3:37:30 PM #320:	Closing arguments over, they're getting ready to vote. think smart money is on 53-47. maaaaybe 54? I feel like you have Romney and Murkowski. Then probably Collins and the only question is if someone like Sasse joins in. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:950602053] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Closing arguments over, they're getting ready to vote. think smart money is on 53-47. maaaaybe 54? I feel like you have Romney and Murkowski. Then probably Collins and the only question is if someone like Sasse joins in. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/13/21 3:53:02 PM #321:	57-43 Burr, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, Toomey voted guilty. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:950602550] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>57-43 Burr, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, Toomey voted guilty. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/13/21 4:14:08 PM #322:	McConnell on the floor right now: "There's no question - none - that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day." oh fuck off you voted to acquit. you were one of the handful of people in the world who could have held him accountable for it and chose not to. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:950603302] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>McConnell on the floor right now: "There's no question - none - that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day." oh fuck off you voted to acquit. you were one of the handful of people in the world who could have held him accountable for it and chose not to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 02/13/21 4:14:59 PM #323:	Shame party matters more than anything else. If Trump was a D every last R would settle for nothing less than his public execution, but because hes an R they dont give a flying fuck whatsoever. This country is a joke <cite>swordz9 posted [p:950603347] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Shame party matters more than anything else. If Trump was a D every last R would settle for nothing less than his public execution, but because hes an R they dont give a flying fuck whatsoever. This country is a joke</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/13/21 4:20:03 PM #324:	UshiromiyaEva posted... I stopped paying attention to anything Tony says after he said "daddy wants his check". Honestly might have been the most despicable thing ever uttered in these topics... And that's saying something. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:950603537] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>UshiromiyaEva posted... </cite> <quote>I stopped paying attention to anything Tony says after he said "daddy wants his check".</quote>Honestly might have been the most despicable thing ever uttered in these topics... And that's saying something. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MalcolmMasher 02/13/21 4:21:36 PM #325:	As of now, I can only expect that when the next right-wing coup attempt happens, the Republican Party as a whole will make no attempt to obstruct it, even offer support should it seem likely to succeed. Biden has perhaps just four years to try to make sure that the United States military will not abandon their oaths to support and defend the Constitution as easily as the Republicans have. --- I don't like this duchy. Now, it's an adventurer. <cite>MalcolmMasher posted [p:950603596] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>As of now, I can only expect that when the next right-wing coup attempt happens, the Republican Party as a whole will make no attempt to obstruct it, even offer support should it seem likely to succeed. Biden has perhaps just four years to try to make sure that the United States military will not abandon their oaths to support and defend the Constitution as easily as the Republicans have.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/13/21 4:23:18 PM #326:	They aren't wrong. Many politicians encouraged the BLM riots by the definition they attributed to Trump. I think we should condemn both sides of this. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:950603668] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>They aren't wrong. Many politicians encouraged the BLM riots by the definition they attributed to Trump. I think we should condemn both sides of this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seanchan 02/13/21 4:23:30 PM #327:	xp1337 posted... The final vote was 57-43. Burr, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, and Toomey voted guilty joining all 50 Dems. Aside from the usual suspects of Collins, Murokwski, and Romney, what's the status on the other 4? Are they all retiring or in seats that aren't up for re-election in or 6 years? xp1337 posted... McConnell on the floor right now: "There's no question - none - that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day." oh fuck off you voted to acquit. you were one of the handful of people in the world who could have held him accountable for it and chose not to. "You're guilty...but you're only morally responsible not ACTUALLY responsible!" So what's next? Is it possible there are criminal or civil suits brought against Trump? --- "That was unnecessarily dramatic". - NY Mets motto (courtesy of InnerTubeHero) Congratulations to azuarc, the guru of gurus and winner of GotD 2020! <cite>Seanchan posted [p:950603673] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>The final vote was 57-43. Burr, Cassidy, Collins, Murkowski, Romney, Sasse, and Toomey voted guilty joining all 50 Dems.</quote> Aside from the usual suspects of Collins, Murokwski, and Romney, what's the status on the other 4? Are they all retiring or in seats that aren't up for re-election in or 6 years? xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>McConnell on the floor right now: "There's no question - none - that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day." oh fuck off you voted to acquit. you were one of the handful of people in the world who could have held him accountable for it and chose not to.</quote> "You're guilty...but you're only morally responsible not ACTUALLY responsible!" So what's next? Is it possible there are criminal or civil suits brought against Trump? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceKaro 02/13/21 4:27:08 PM #328:	Fuck off McConnell you shriveled up turtle man You repeatedly enabled Trump's narrative up until your door was busted in by lead-paint-eating hillbillies And you literally just voted that everything he did was ok Fuck off --- https://i.imgtc.com/a6iBg1Y.jpg Congrats to azuarc* on being really good at predicting stuff* <cite>PrinceKaro posted [p:950603832] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Fuck off McConnell you shriveled up turtle man You repeatedly enabled Trump's narrative up until your door was busted in by lead-paint-eating hillbillies And you literally just voted that everything he did was ok Fuck off </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 02/13/21 4:29:23 PM #329:	That kind of thing is why theres no reason to take politics seriously. Its a fucking school of clowns. Im convinced Trump couldve stormed it himself and literally killed somebody and been acquitted <cite>swordz9 posted [p:950603929] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>That kind of thing is why theres no reason to take politics seriously. Its a fucking school of clowns. Im convinced Trump couldve stormed it himself and literally killed somebody and been acquitted</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 02/13/21 4:30:18 PM #330:	swordz9 posted... That kind of thing is why theres no reason to take politics seriously. Its a fucking school of clowns. Im convinced Trump couldve stormed it himself and literally killed somebody and been acquitted All the more reason to take politics much more seriously. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:950603962] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>swordz9 posted... </cite> <quote>That kind of thing is why theres no reason to take politics seriously. Its a fucking school of clowns. Im convinced Trump couldve stormed it himself and literally killed somebody and been acquitted</quote> All the more reason to take politics much more seriously. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/13/21 4:33:48 PM #331:	Seanchan posted... Aside from the usual suspects of Collins, Murokwski, and Romney, what's the status on the other 4? Are they all retiring or in seats that aren't up for re-election in or 6 years? Burr (NC) - Would be up in 2022, but he claimed back during his 2016 election he would not seek re-election. So, in theory, retiring. Cassidy (LA) - He was just re-elected in 2020. Sasse (NE) - Re-elected in 2020, but he has been vocally blaming Trump for this all along which is why I had named him as one of the 4 most likely to vote guilty. Toomey (PA) - Retiring. Announced in October he would not seek re-election. Seanchan posted... So what's next? Is it possible there are criminal or civil suits brought against Trump? Yeah, that's possible. We know Georgia is investigating the phone call to the Secretary of State. Likewise, NY has been investigating his taxes all along and have been stalled by his being President. There's no particular reason the DOJ couldn't investigate him too, hell, McConnell just now all but said they should ("He hasn't gotten away with anything... yet!" was his literal quote around him discussing how he was still liable for his actions in criminal and civil court) and Trump's Defense Lawyers made similar arguments during the trial. That said, I would not be hopeful of DOJ entering into this fray. It's the states you'd want to look to and NY I think has the best chance. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:950604084] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Seanchan posted... </cite> <quote>Aside from the usual suspects of Collins, Murokwski, and Romney, what's the status on the other 4? Are they all retiring or in seats that aren't up for re-election in or 6 years?</quote>Burr (NC) - Would be up in 2022, but he claimed back during his 2016 election he would not seek re-election. So, in theory, retiring. Cassidy (LA) - He was just re-elected in 2020. Sasse (NE) - Re-elected in 2020, but he has been vocally blaming Trump for this all along which is why I had named him as one of the 4 most likely to vote guilty. Toomey (PA) - Retiring. Announced in October he would not seek re-election. Seanchan posted... </cite> <quote>So what's next? Is it possible there are criminal or civil suits brought against Trump?</quote>Yeah, that's possible. We know Georgia is investigating the phone call to the Secretary of State. Likewise, NY has been investigating his taxes all along and have been stalled by his being President. There's no particular reason the DOJ couldn't investigate him too, hell, McConnell just now all but said they should ("He hasn't gotten away with anything... yet!" was his literal quote around him discussing how he was still liable for his actions in criminal and civil court) and Trump's Defense Lawyers made similar arguments during the trial. That said, I would not be hopeful of DOJ entering into this fray. It's the states you'd want to look to and NY I think has the best chance. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/13/21 4:35:38 PM #332:	DoomTheGyarados posted... All the more reason to take politics much more seriously. All the more reason to demand more of Democratic Politicians instead of just accepting "not-Republican", because they will. let. you. down. Fucking god, quit shooting the messenger and join us. edit: this isn't directed at you Chris, this is a continuation of your post --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:950604143] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>All the more reason to take politics much more seriously.</quote> All the more reason to demand more of Democratic Politicians instead of just accepting "not-Republican", because they will. let. you. down. Fucking god, quit shooting the messenger and join us. edit: this isn't directed at you Chris, this is a continuation of your post </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 02/13/21 4:42:34 PM #333:	I wonder if even literally 1 person in America believed Trump would actually be punished. Everyone knew it wasnt gonna happen because that would require people looking past who is on their side and displaying any sense of being an actual human being <cite>swordz9 posted [p:950604385] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>I wonder if even literally 1 person in America believed Trump would actually be punished. Everyone knew it wasnt gonna happen because that would require people looking past who is on their side and displaying any sense of being an actual human being</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/13/21 4:44:44 PM #334:	You guys do realize Biden told them to 180 on the witnesses and just to end it because it wasn't going to happen right? Nobody thought it was going to happen. Acting outraged now is laughable. It never was going to happen. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:950604464] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>You guys do realize Biden told them to 180 on the witnesses and just to end it because it wasn't going to happen right? Nobody thought it was going to happen. Acting outraged now is laughable. It never was going to happen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/13/21 4:44:45 PM #335:	Im a bit confused how you can look at the past month and go you know the democrats are to blame for this too. I see this less as the democrats letting us down and more showing how the system has failed. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:950604465] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Im a bit confused how you can look at the past month and go you know the democrats are to blame for this too. I see this less as the democrats letting us down and more showing how the system has failed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/13/21 4:45:25 PM #336:	swordz9 posted... I wonder if even literally 1 person in America believed Trump would actually be punished. Everyone knew it wasnt gonna happen because that would require people looking past who is on their side and displaying any sense of being an actual human being 57 is honestly a lot more than I thought wed get! --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:950604494] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>swordz9 posted... </cite> <quote>I wonder if even literally 1 person in America believed Trump would actually be punished. Everyone knew it wasnt gonna happen because that would require people looking past who is on their side and displaying any sense of being an actual human being</quote> 57 is honestly a lot more than I thought wed get! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/13/21 4:47:15 PM #337:	You think winning the vote to allow witnesses and then not bringing witnesses was a good move? All to get one statement on the record? I disagree. Also, I don't think Democrats are to blame at all, I think they handled it terribly--an important distinction. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:950604546] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>You think winning the vote to allow witnesses and then not bringing witnesses was a good move? All to get one statement on the record? I disagree. Also, I don't think Democrats are to blame at all, I think they handled it terribly--an important distinction. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 02/13/21 4:50:43 PM #338:	It wouldnt have mattered how they handled it. Most of those Rs were never voting against Trump under any circumstances. 95% of their minds would remain unchanged. Dems couldve had the most amazing performance politics have ever seen while Trumps defense team could literally have been goldfish and nothing would have changed <cite>swordz9 posted [p:950604683] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>It wouldnt have mattered how they handled it. Most of those Rs were never voting against Trump under any circumstances. 95% of their minds would remain unchanged. Dems couldve had the most amazing performance politics have ever seen while Trumps defense team could literally have been goldfish and nothing would have changed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PerfectChaosZ 02/13/21 4:50:55 PM #339:	Can't believe 57 with seven of his own party turning on him somehow still isn't enough. You'd think it was designed for folks not to be able to punish the president. <cite>PerfectChaosZ posted [p:950604692] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Can't believe 57 with seven of his own party turning on him somehow still isn't enough. You'd think it was designed for folks not to be able to punish the president. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 02/13/21 4:54:48 PM #340:	It was designed for a time before Ronald Raegan. --- https://twitter.com/OocWTC/status/1348011667976699904?s=19 <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:950604836] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>It was designed for a time before Ronald Raegan. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 02/13/21 5:06:20 PM #341:	You say that as if the one Senate impeachment vote before wasn't also along party lines. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:950605193] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>You say that as if the one Senate impeachment vote before wasn't also along party lines.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 02/13/21 5:07:20 PM #342:	It's scorched earth time, tell the few R's who crossed over sorry not sorry, abolish that filibuster and fix our damn system. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:950605220] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>It's scorched earth time, tell the few R's who crossed over sorry not sorry, abolish that filibuster and fix our damn system. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 02/13/21 5:19:03 PM #343:	kevwaffles posted... You say that as if the one Senate impeachment vote before wasn't also along party lines. Well, I mean, across all Presidential impeachments in American history, only 8 times has a Senator cast a guilty vote against a President of their own party. And all 8 were against Trump. (Romney last time, and the 7 today) This was literally the most bipartisan guilty vote in history. ~~~ lmfao Pelosi just crashed the House impeachment managers press conference with almost literally, "I wasn't planning on being at this conference, but then I heard that fucking turtle open his mouth." (seriously, sans profanity, she basically opened with that.) Correctly called out the absolute cowardice, lies, and bullshit behind McConnell's hand-wringing about how "The House managers proved their case but we can't convict a former President, if only the trial had been during his term" with pointing out how they were ready to go and it was McConnell himself who kept the Senate from returning to session until the inauguration. She was just spitting fire at all the R senators who voted to acquit too, it was pretty great. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:950605600] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>kevwaffles posted... </cite> <quote>You say that as if the one Senate impeachment vote before wasn't also along party lines.</quote>Well, I mean, across all Presidential impeachments in American history, only 8 times has a Senator cast a guilty vote against a President of their own party. And all 8 were against Trump. (Romney last time, and the 7 today) This was literally the most bipartisan guilty vote in history. ~~~ lmfao Pelosi just crashed the House impeachment managers press conference with almost literally, "I wasn't planning on being at this conference, but then I heard that fucking turtle open his mouth." (seriously, sans profanity, she basically opened with that.) Correctly called out the absolute cowardice, lies, and bullshit behind McConnell's hand-wringing about how "The House managers proved their case but we can't convict a former President, if only the trial had been during his term" with pointing out how they were ready to go and it was McConnell himself who kept the Senate from returning to session until the inauguration. She was just spitting fire at all the R senators who voted to acquit too, it was pretty great. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Corrik7 02/13/21 5:20:26 PM #344:	PerfectChaosZ posted... Can't believe 57 with seven of his own party turning on him somehow still isn't enough. You'd think it was designed for folks not to be able to punish the president. It was designed for egregious offenses that clearly crossed political lines. --- Xbox Live User Name - Corrik PSN User Name - Corrik7 Currently playing: Control (X1) <cite>Corrik7 posted [p:950605639] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>PerfectChaosZ posted... </cite> <quote>Can't believe 57 with seven of his own party turning on him somehow still isn't enough. You'd think it was designed for folks not to be able to punish the president.</quote>It was designed for egregious offenses that clearly crossed political lines. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PerfectChaosZ 02/13/21 5:28:28 PM #345:	Corrik7 posted... It was designed for egregious offenses that clearly crossed political lines. gestures around <cite>PerfectChaosZ posted [p:950605877] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>It was designed for egregious offenses that clearly crossed political lines.</quote> gestures around </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 02/13/21 6:01:05 PM #346:	i mean it clearly didn't cross enough political lines. but hey now that we're done with the impeachment show, let's go back to daddy wanting his goddamn check. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:950606996] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>i mean it clearly didn't cross enough political lines. but hey now that we're done with the impeachment show, let's go back to daddy wanting his goddamn check. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hbthebattle 02/13/21 6:05:47 PM #347:	Corrik7 posted... It was designed for egregious offenses that clearly crossed political lines. Like, what exactly, such that inviting a riot to take over the Capitol doesnt qualify --- Congrats to azuarc for winning the GotD Guru! <cite>Hbthebattle posted [p:950607164] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Corrik7 posted... </cite> <quote>It was designed for egregious offenses that clearly crossed political lines.</quote>Like, what exactly, such that inviting a riot to take over the Capitol doesnt qualify </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reg 02/13/21 6:08:14 PM #348:	Wanglicious posted... i mean it clearly didn't cross enough political lines. but hey now that we're done with the impeachment show, let's go back to daddy wanting his goddamn check. A bill for checks passed committee in the house yesterday. They're still doing things while the Senate Republican try to ensure that there are no consequences for trying to destroy democracy. <cite>Reg posted [p:950607232] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Wanglicious posted... </cite> <quote>i mean it clearly didn't cross enough political lines. but hey now that we're done with the impeachment show, let's go back to daddy wanting his goddamn check.</quote>A bill for checks passed committee in the house yesterday. They're still doing things while the Senate Republican try to ensure that there are no consequences for trying to destroy democracy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Panthera 02/13/21 6:08:24 PM #349:	Hbthebattle posted... Like, what exactly, such that inviting a riot to take over the Capitol doesnt qualify Her emails --- Meow! <cite>Panthera posted [p:950607240] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>Hbthebattle posted... </cite> <quote>Like, what exactly, such that inviting a riot to take over the Capitol doesnt qualify</quote> Her emails </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 02/13/21 6:24:23 PM #350:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... You think winning the vote to allow witnesses and then not bringing witnesses was a good move? All to get one statement on the record? I disagree. Also, I don't think Democrats are to blame at all, I think they handled it terribly--an important distinction. I dunno I guess Im just...not mad with the democrats or Biden at the moment? Like I think plenty of good stuff has been done the past couple weeks and like 20 Republican senators were refusing to even listen to what was going on so again I dont blame democrats for that. I fully anticipate being mad at them in like two months time but at least for now I think this is all better than I expected honestly. Last time I spent time hand wringing over Manchin he went ahead and surprised me like a week later so Im at least going to wait for shitty stuff to happen for me to get mad. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:950607803] in Politics C... [t:79282723]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>You think winning the vote to allow witnesses and then not bringing witnesses was a good move? All to get one statement on the record? I disagree. Also, I don't think Democrats are to blame at all, I think they handled it terribly--an important distinction.</quote> I dunno I guess Im just...not mad with the democrats or Biden at the moment? Like I think plenty of good stuff has been done the past couple weeks and like 20 Republican senators were refusing to even listen to what was going on so again I dont blame democrats for that. I fully anticipate being mad at them in like two months time but at least for now I think this is all better than I expected honestly. Last time I spent time hand wringing over Manchin he went ahead and surprised me like a week later so Im at least going to wait for shitty stuff to happen for me to get mad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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