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TopicFavorite Metal Gear Solid?
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06/24/19 1:04:17 PM
#7
2 > Rising > 3 > Twin Snakes > 1 >> 4
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TopicBest Final Fantasy 8 Playable character Day 4
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06/24/19 12:44:20 PM
#27
Zidane can be okay if you don't care about natural feeling character development. I feel like he sorta just gets forced through character arcs and if you just take it at face value it works, but it ends up hurting the character for me. Probably a victim of bad writing more than the concept inherently being bad-- if they tried to do less with him he'd be a lot better. Early game Zidane is fine and he progressively gets worse until the awful You're Not Alone scene which really encapsulates everything wrong with the character.

Steiner on the other hand is just obnoxious comic relief throughout the game really.
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TopicBest Final Fantasy 8 Playable character Day 4
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06/24/19 12:28:39 PM
#25
Zidane and Steiner were actually unlikable and two of the worst members of the cast, who was generally bland more than unlikable.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 485: It's Such Good Shit
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06/24/19 10:33:58 AM
#385
TheRock1525 posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
WWE: This is like if STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN was dating THE ROCK


I see no problems with this.


It's the part before the colon.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 485: It's Such Good Shit
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06/24/19 12:31:06 AM
#360
Also, while I didn't watch the show, here's why Seth Rollins and Becky don't work as a power couple on paper

Their relationship did not develop on screen and they're both weekly on screen competitors

With HHH and Steph they had on screen storylines.
With Cena/Nikki and Miz/Maryse the women of those pairings were offscreen for a good while before they were an on screen thing. Also they weren't featured in big stuff right off, and Cena/Nikki had total divas.

Becky/Rollins is like, only if you're following Twitter stuff does this not feel like a contradiction to what the on screen shows. Which pulls back to WWE overdoing social media integration in general. Like if they were an item on the show in context of the show I'm kinda just like "when did this happen?"
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 485: It's Such Good Shit
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06/24/19 12:09:35 AM
#356
Alexa was also at least always decent at selling and had better in ring character work than Lacey. Kind of a disservice to Alexa to compare them really.
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TopicBest Final Fantasy 8 Playable character Day 4
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06/24/19 12:06:54 AM
#20
Let's see... Faris is good, Galuf is good, Bartz is passable. Lenna and Krile are whatever but unoffensive.

I'll put FFV above...

I, II, III, VIII, IX, XII with that

Not bad, really.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 5:54:43 PM
#288
I never believed your flavor and role anyway
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Nominations
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06/23/19 4:56:44 PM
#214
Honestly considering the stretchy clause allowed Kirby is a bit more compelling.

Still think he's primarily taking abilities but his body is specifically made to contort to implement his copying.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 3:02:17 PM
#230
Well as a counter argument I could see them shooting me. Particularly with Luis, who is from a time where I was actually known, on the scumteam and particularly with me on red's scent.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 2:53:31 PM
#224
Scare inherited eaed putting him in the hole this time and didn't do enough to recover it. He was a suspicion by default not a high priority scum kill
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 2:47:38 PM
#221
Got Tom and Ben as scum.

Can't really pinpoint a third suspicion. Shame. I think there are enough on the board that I think it isn't that this game should be fairly easily won, though.

If there's an SK (which there probably is scare is obv not a scum kill and no vig has claimed it) I'd bet on puns or Ulti or Corrik I think but who really knows. Minor concern anyway. Get scum first SK later.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 12:25:55 PM
#165
And then there's also the fact, that imo, the claimed watch providing no useful information actually made no sense given the previous night's single casualty.

ANYWAY I'll stop lecturing about this.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 12:21:55 PM
#159
Any power claim off lynch pressure that gives zero useful information on day 2 or later should generally be taken with salt by default, though. Not enough that it's autolynch but yeah, if the case on them was solid, no need to back off.

The stronger the claimed power, the more suspicious you should be. Watcher is in a lot of ways one of the strongest roles if you've got stand out players like we do now.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 12:16:51 PM
#155
We know about b8 setups. Watchers are not a commonly used role to my recollection.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 12:13:23 PM
#151
Leaving scum masquerading as power alive is damaging. When you weigh everything

- Is watcher likely to be in a setup at all
- Would watcher have likely been the guy who is completely buried of all people
- Would a watch on Chris having only one visit make much sense considering who died last night

The claim of watcher should have very little weight. Sucking for town to lynch power only means so much when he's like 1% telling the truth. You just go with it.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 12:07:24 PM
#148
That he was scum watcher? Why? The amount of non-information he gave us was easily faked.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 12:05:06 PM
#144
On dowolf you helped form the obviously scummy end of day 1 wagon on him. You also did it by suggesting, 'yes, let's vote him' off of not much first. This to me is suspicious. Seems like something scum would do.

On red, your positioning in the lynch was such that the writing was on the wall that he was going to be pushed hard today, and you got off him far too readily (while at the same time suggesting scum watcher which is not intuitive to me and seems as though you were trying to hedge your bets for when he eventually died "see guys I still suspected him!"). These seem like ways I'd expect scummates to approach lynches involving red.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 11:57:42 AM
#140
The other thing about Ben is his game has been very safe. Hasn't voted much. Hasn't pushed for much. What votes he's placed have been on easy targets. All I can recall him doing this game is randomly saying players are town for no reason.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 11:54:11 AM
#137
If I get to force claims before dayvigging I'd probably shoot Tom dependent on his claim. If I'm just shooting blind then Ben. He's just had unflattering positions on pushing for lynches, abandoning lynches, and vote timing so far between dowolf and red
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 11:37:53 AM
#112
Doom could just be the real flavor for a scum vanilla too. I could see it.

Which is why I would not advise 5tar to not "verify" Lea. It's either nonsense town, nonsense scum, or real scum. Scanning it tells nothing, really.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 11:08:56 AM
#82
Obviously scum has a strongman that can only be used after X nights in the game and it's red. Good thing we weren't cowards and got rid of him today.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 10:58:49 AM
#70
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Corrik isnt looking to help town folks


I agree with this 100%. Nothing about Corrik's play has been useful this game

But goes back to the ancient question of is anti-town play the same as scum play. I feel like giving Corrik the benefit of a doubt for a while is probably fine and it will RESOLVE ITSELF but yeah.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 10:53:56 AM
#62
Corrik7 posted...
And would have hunted power.


Book him.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 10:45:38 AM
#51
Takes one verifiable thing to die. Meanwhile before you're busted you either out a power role who eventually calls you a liar or gambit and try to get someone lynched. It's really not that hard. Especially seeing how accepting people were of its existence when it was literally the perfect role for him to have in that situation.
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TopicEnglish literature mafia topic 10: ask host for a good title
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06/23/19 10:40:47 AM
#41
Actually watcher is incredibly easy to fake as red just demonstrated. Just give scans that implausibly give no info, and cowards will fear lynching you because OMG it's WATCHER it's SO POWERFUL
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/23/19 2:42:33 AM
#391
Vote timing makes me suspect Ben and Tom more than Lea and Hb I think. Lea was early on when red didn't have much support. Hb was kinda pressured by me to throw his vote on too. But yeah would look into all 4 just to be safe.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/23/19 2:36:01 AM
#379
If you're already dead nothing is suicidal. Red claimed the exact thing he needed to to dig himself out of the grave, only to be kicked back in. The sheer convenience in the idea that he would be a watcher of all things, with no information to boot, it's absurd.

Btw I encourage some pressing of Lea, Ben, Hb, and Tom tomorrow. No doubt in my mind there were some scum on Red, and the ones that just blindly took his claim immediately are the ones I find more likely to be scum

Lea and Ben in particular are fishy as they were on the Dowolf chaos train as well, and they both mentioned scum watcher which is... a weird thing to me. Like, you're still keeping open the possibility that he's scum so you look better when he eventually flips. Lea and Ben also jumped to MZero, which, if one or both of them are scum makes MZero look a lot better.

Tom seemed a bit overzealous to chastise SBell for fishing, too, which is kinda suspicious.

Hb is probably the one I suspect least of the unvoters at this point, because he sorta just did it. Asked about poisoner. Normal reaction to me.

Course the funny thing is you can't force claims from any of them because they've already needed to claim. Cept Tom.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/23/19 2:16:58 AM
#362
I've been telling you he's been doing that the whole game but I guess some people need power roles to let them be observant
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/23/19 2:04:12 AM
#354
Why do you care how the scanning works? What does town gain? Better to obfuscate the exact nature to prevent scum from having more hints as to how to protect their fake claims.

It's only alarming that people would stay on red because you don't think critically and just respect power claims. A coward.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/23/19 1:57:12 AM
#351
There are a lot of dumb scanner types that could know for sure it's not Marple. No reason to push it further. Frankly I'm annoyed that people bought the clearly nonsense claim anyway. This is exactly the type of potential damage that "letting it resolve itself" does. If you see a claim that's too good to be true, why not think instead of being a coward about it?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/23/19 12:38:43 AM
#316
Here. If it makes you feel better, Tom, before I go to sleep.

##Unvote
##Vote: Red


You (and Pun/Pez going to bat for you, mostly-- though your sheer tenacity here is somewhat admirable and convincing in its own right even though I still don't believe the words) at minimum successfully convinced me that you aren't a 100% lock when Red flips scum, so I might as well keep on the slam dunk.

(Also, as the great Luis once said, this Tom lynch is rudderless right now)
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/23/19 12:25:33 AM
#307
Tom Bombadil posted...
I don't think I voted him yesterday


You didn't even humor voting him despite supposedly thinking Pez's argument was compelling. You kinda just ignored the lynch existed. I'm saying you positioned him as one, not that you ever needed to use it. For example if someone had asked if you suspected red and the lynch was red vs I dunno, me, it would be an easy excuse to lynch me instead.

I think you're being a bit (intentionally?) daft if you think I'm literally talking about votes here. It's about motivations. Obviously I can see from vote records where your vote was and wasn't (when I actually look at them) but I'm just saying your progression of suspicion on the two doesn't come off as natural to me.

This is repetitive, anyway. Anyone who is convinced will be and anyone who won't be convinced won't be at this point.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/23/19 12:18:30 AM
#301
He's clearly not necessary as an escape valve now. You can pretend to respect the watcher claim and the town will buy it. Yesterday when there were multiple lynches going and red was one, though? Good excuse to avoid the red one entirely.
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TopicPost a B8 user and I'll Say Something About Them
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06/23/19 12:17:00 AM
#129
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/23/19 12:13:03 AM
#297
Also it's ironic that you pointed out you have a vote on him as a counter argument to him being a red escape valve when you literally voted him after unvoting red.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/23/19 12:11:02 AM
#296
Oh you do have a vote again. It was so forgettable I just assumed the opening post was accurate.

pezloco posted...
Make your own read of course. I don't think Tom and I treat each other significantly differently in AIM and board. It's not like Tom and I have played no games on the board together by the way. The majority of our history is AIM sure. But we've played probably 8 or 9 games together on the board? He's been in literally every game I've played here except the one I played that he hosted.


I think you can treat each other the same and have different voting habits in AIM mafia vs board mafia, was more my point. I feel like in AIM mafia there's no such thing as a vote without pressure. I would say what Tom has done to you this game is basically that. So it could be less about voting and more about pressure. Am I right? Maybe, maybe not. I'm just explaining why I think the games are significantly different.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/23/19 12:04:59 AM
#293
pezloco posted...
I talked about voting each other.


Lopen posted...
he majority of your sample size is AIM mafia and the voting dynamic just works differently there. Putting a vote on someone in and of itself has a lot more weight in AIM mafia imo. A vote in board mafia is generally ignored without a strong argument

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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/23/19 12:03:38 AM
#291
My confidence levels change based on arguments and evidence, generally. Then again I don't really do gut reads to begin with so I don't know how that would generally progress. Any sort of claim of gut read would just be a 'read' where I'm fishing for reactions more than anything.

On the other hand Red was a gut read too and he was supposedly moved by arguments and evidence, so yeah I don't really know how to take it. Maintaining a claim of suspicion on Pez feels more like you're mindlessly tunneling at this point, frankly, because you haven't really built on it or pushed it at any point. Heck you don't even have a vote on him today!

Let me put it another way-- do you really still think Pez is scum?
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TopicContest Stats and Discussion - Part 1324 - CBX Winners Announced
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06/22/19 11:55:40 PM
#367
Well same argument for Robotnik!

Ganondorf and Bowser don't have this generally that's all I'm saying. Zelda games in particular tend to be longer low replay value types.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/22/19 11:54:03 PM
#288
Tom Bombadil posted...
I've been calling him scum all game and have my vote on him

Do you think I was seeing him up as an escape valve back when I was calling red town


I think you did a forced upping of intensity in your conviction. You were "maybe slight scum lean" early game.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/22/19 11:46:46 PM
#285
It's possible. Pez makes more sense as town to me at the moment, though. I think he's too heavily entwined with my scum suspects to really fit in that team right now. Also his posts have generally seemed okay. Having the courage to stay on Red and do so with enough conviction that it doesn't give him an easy escape route if we start getting late day lynch train shenanigans makes him look real good to me too.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/22/19 11:42:05 PM
#281
Like uh, my whole argument is that the reason I think he has "suspicion" of you is (was) to give him an escape valve to get off red. It's not to actually get you lynched. He has made no attempt to get you lynched whatsoever.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/22/19 11:39:14 PM
#279
pezloco posted...
I get that you can't rely on this. So take it with a grain of salt or a mountain of salt if you have to. But this is how we work and it's been consistent over hundreds of games.


His interactions with red are the more suspicious ones and I think you're just collateral damage, and he hasn't made enough of a real push on you for me to think it's "misdirection." I mean, I guess your argument is that he voted you at all should "clear" him (or damn you) but that's not good enough for me to rely on you're correct.

Particularly because the majority of your sample size is AIM mafia and the voting dynamic just works differently there. Putting a vote on someone in and of itself has a lot more weight in AIM mafia imo. A vote in board mafia is generally ignored without a strong argument-- just ask Corrik who has been doing that all game.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/22/19 10:50:09 PM
#257
Tom Bombadil posted...
What does this mean


I want it to show in your interpretation of Pez's posts, in how you consider suspicions of red, better articulate your suspicion of Pez, or anything to show me that you're trying to digest the game when you're not being pressured to do so. At this point there is more to work with than gut. Do so to try and validate your gut.

Gut carrying you into what imo looks like directly contradictory thinking doesnt cut it for me unless you explain it better.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/22/19 10:44:43 PM
#253
pezloco posted...

Pointedly not unvoting Red.


My man.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/22/19 10:41:37 PM
#248
If you make a gut read it should show in how you approach the game is what I'm saying.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/22/19 10:37:32 PM
#244
Scum by default bus less often than not. There's a reason for example people have said Luis flipping scum makes Sultan look better. I'm not saying you should automatically assume scum lynch targets are not scum, but there should be evidence that entered your mind I think.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/22/19 10:34:24 PM
#240
It has to be necessary because his case on Pez has been extremely weak to begin with. I need something to convince me he's not arbitrarily assigning suspicions.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 9: The Chapters are not Named
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06/22/19 10:30:28 PM
#236
turbopuns3 posted...
I mean sure you can reevaluate but again a good argument is a good argument


I see no evidence Tom reevaluated or considered the interaction of his suspicions until I spelled it out for him, though
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