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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 10:25:28 PM
#419
This cop claim is basically a scum confession.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 10:23:28 PM
#415
Yeah that's how I play cop. Leave no indication I know who the scum are, just assume I won't be killed until night 4, leaving town with no hints
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 10:20:58 PM
#408
Second reason to stall this:

The longer he stalls, the less time town has to confirm or deny if he pushed lynches in the direction of his scan results.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 10:16:19 PM
#393
I think you're stalling this to discredit people who doubt your claim, by revealing guilty scans on them.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 10:14:26 PM
#387
I see reasons you'd do this and none are town motivated.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 10:08:34 PM
#375
If there are 4 scum left they need 3 mislynches. A gambit done properly and the town can still lose.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 10:05:02 PM
#362
Ben if you're actually town cop, give us the other two guiltys so we can properly analyze the situation.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 10:03:56 PM
#358
Corrik's delay doesn't make sense. I was thinking how he'd gambit this. Once there are not two kills tomorrow, we would lynch Lolo, who then flips as town. With a mislynch today on top of that one, if the lone wolf was recruited or 6 scum, town only needs one mistake to lose. That seems viable, which is why once Ben revealed as cop I figured Corrik probably was scum.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 9:55:08 PM
#335
Well if Lolo isn't scum, we'd break off that flowchart, of course, so I don't think you can say I'd lose the game for sure.

I'm going to guess the three scum are Sbell, Lea, and Corrik. Do I win?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 9:46:10 PM
#320
(4) SBell: (Corrik), (puns), (Lea), Chris, puns, Lopen, Lea
(3) Dowolf: (Cam), (Cam), (ben), Scare, (Lea), Red, Death
(3) Lea: (Cam), (Corrik), (Cam), (puns), (Chris), Tom, Hb, (5tar), (Scare), (Scare), Ulti
(2) red: Cam, pezloco, (Lopen), (Lea), (Lea), (Lopen), (Lea)
(2) MZero: (Lea), (Lea), (Lea), Ben, dowolf, (Cam), (Lea), (Lea), (Death), (Lea)
(2) Ben: (Chris), (Corrik), (Lea), (dowolf), 5tar, (Chris), Luis
(2) Sir Chris: (Tom), (Ben), (puns), Sultan, (Scare), Corrik, (puns), (Lea)
(1) Lopen: (Ulti), (Hb), (SBell), (Scare), SBell, (Ulti)

Here were the wagons at the time just before dowolf got scumswarmed. To be fair, he was at 1 for a bit-- the swarm started at (Lea) (who had jumped off to SBell at this time)

Cam gets on the dowolf lynch spiritually as he said "prob scum" when asked about dowolf before the swarming, but never actually got on the lynch.

Things to look at here: Competing lynches. Pretty much everyone here was vaguely considered at risk of the lynch. However, I would say me and Chris were probably more safe than the rank and file. I hadn't been talked about in some time and Chris was actively being white knighted by me.

MZero is town, so it wasn't designed to take heat off him. It doesn't make Lea or Ben look good again in that they were both at some sort of risk, along with Red. Also doesn't make SBell look good. Death is not at any risk, so slight bonus to him, but that could just mean he's been good scum since he's been on both the shady lynches.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 9:37:14 PM
#315
Dowolf (6): (Cam), (Cam), (ben), Scare, (Lea), Red, Death, Ben, Lea, Sultan

Here is the dowolf scum wagon before it reaches critical mass.

Scare and Sultan are town.
Red is on it, scum
Death, Ben, Lea all on it again

... maybe Death needs to be moved up the flowchart. Being on both of the fallguy lynches doesn't look good for him.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 9:31:52 PM
#310
One of Ben/Lea/Cam is probably town. You can still flowchart through it though because town is ahead.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 9:29:40 PM
#303
Because I'm good at the game and don't get on obvious scum trains (of which there have been two this game so far)
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 9:28:04 PM
#299
Honestly I think like, the game is probably winnable just by going through members of the MZero lynch

Ulti, (Lea), (Corrik), (Ben), SBell, Death, Lea, Lolo, Ben, Cam

Lolo > Ben > Lea > Cam > SBell > Death > Ulti

Granted we can't get to Death and Ulti but Ulti is soft confirmed and the game is probably over by the time we get to Cam.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 9:22:47 PM
#292
Chris's Lolo read also came before he made an obviously scum claim so it should not be trusted by any stretch.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 9:19:59 PM
#286
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Lopen posted...
Basically what I'm saying is could scum have burned their night kill last night to recruit Cam? Because if that's how it works that seems likely to me.


How are you picturing that role working. Like what does scum gain by doing it


Having an informed scum is better than a non-informed scum? Maybe he gains some manner of ability if recruited?

I did find what I assumed to be the appropriate role on "Mafia Universe" as Traitor. Sometimes it's implemented by sending the kill on the traitor, so that is a possibility. I think if we don't get two kills tomorrow we should definitely put on the table the possibility of Cam having been recruited. Of course the possibility of him being real scum is very real too, with that v scummy vote on MZero at the very last second.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 9:12:28 PM
#266
Basically what I'm saying is could scum have burned their night kill last night to recruit Cam? Because if that's how it works that seems likely to me.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 9:11:13 PM
#261
Also how does the lone wolf work again? Do scum have to kill the lone wolf to make him informed mafia?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 9:09:58 PM
#259
Anyway Lolo is still the correct lynch here. Once we confirm that we can start looking into people on the MZero lynch, as I would be surprised if all 3 scum weren't on it.

##Vote: Lolo
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 9:08:24 PM
#251
Every voter on MZero looks bad in my books. That was clearly a fall guy lynch. Really don't like Cam's position on it either. Looks like he was trying to avoid being on it until it was absolutely necessary.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/27/19 9:04:12 PM
#240
I'M ALlVEEEE
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 486: Board 8 Does Dallas
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06/27/19 6:04:26 PM
#33
You know Maniac is right

Let Bischoff do his old ideas if he isn't doing it with literally the same people like he did in TNA and I don't even care
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 486: Board 8 Does Dallas
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06/27/19 5:34:16 PM
#30
I'm still not thinking it matters unless you figure a Bischoff that avidly watches NJPW is going to come in with inspiration from that that would actually be used.

State of American wrestling is kind of a mess right now. He can watch the few AEW shows that exist, try to figure out what they do that's working, and be on better footing than he would be if he was trying to do anything WWE has been doing, or anything most other lower rung American wrestling promotions are doing at the moment, really.

Honestly I just don't think it matters. Come in with some fresh ideas that aren't rehashes of what you'd previously done (not a given with his track record!) and the less it's like current WWE the better.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 486: Board 8 Does Dallas
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06/27/19 5:18:16 PM
#26
PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
because he doesn't follow the product at all and wouldn't know how to appeal to fans now because he's been so removed from it for so long


Isn't this a pro given how off base the current product is.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 486: Board 8 Does Dallas
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06/27/19 3:54:45 PM
#21
I mean even since TNA it's been a good while. People can change a lot over like 8 years, especially when they cross over important stages of their life. Definitely feel like at some point Bischoff became enlightened about some things because his general booking theory seems pretty okay in my eyes when he breaks down stuff in 83 weeks, despite the slew of things you could point out about WCW that were done incorrectly.

It's also unclear how much of TNA's creative was actually Bischoff to begin with. You had a lot of cooks working there. And honestly given WWE's sharp decline lately with its higher starting point than TNA I'm not sure it'll look better than TNA tanking for long.

But yeah I listen to most of them because I'm probably the closest thing you'll find to a Bischoff fanboy anywhere.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 486: Board 8 Does Dallas
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06/27/19 3:38:47 PM
#15
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He's still not going to listen to them.


I mean, yeah, probably not. I'm just saying it's the best chance they have short of Vince stepping down.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 486: Board 8 Does Dallas
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06/27/19 3:36:03 PM
#12
83 weeks
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 486: Board 8 Does Dallas
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06/27/19 3:21:53 PM
#10
Like really the only counterplay to Vince is going to be someone that

1. Is financially okay and doesn't need the job
2. Has some sort of reputation or pride that they don't want linked to the crap WWE has been churning out
3. Doesn't care about offending Vince
4. Isn't also senile and has a decent booking mind

Yeah Vince can pay them out the ears to mitigate the likelihood of them speaking up, but as far as candidates go, I don't see anyone being better.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 486: Board 8 Does Dallas
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06/27/19 3:18:01 PM
#8
Not saying I expect a complete turnaround or anything, just that I trust this to help more than anything that isn't Vince stepping down outright.
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TopicBest Final Fantasy 8 Playable character Day 7
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06/27/19 2:59:21 PM
#16
She's not, really. These things are just kinda RNG for the middling characters.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 486: Board 8 Does Dallas
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06/27/19 2:52:35 PM
#5
Feel like Bischoff and Heyman are not exactly hurting for money and would have more pride to not have their names linked to some stupid ideas at this point in their careers. Like them compared to random rank and file writers, I definitely see them fighting more. See them fighting more than Triple H too, really.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 486: Board 8 Does Dallas
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06/27/19 2:21:32 PM
#2
Plus side about Bischoff and Heyman being the top guys for Raw/SD, I imagine neither one of them would answer to McMahon for long because they probably don't need the work. Like if someone is going to fight him over bad creative I'd trust those two guys to.

Guess we'll see though.
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TopicAre you more frequently a pessimist or optimist?
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06/27/19 1:16:21 PM
#2
I'd call myself a smalltime pessimist. Compared to actual pessimistic people I'm an optimist because I really do try to believe good things can happen if you work at them, but at the same time you're basically always working against the natural flow of things for that to happen. I consider myself a realist over either one, and reality is generally not pleasant.

(Voted pessimist if that wasn't clear)
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TopicPost a B8 user and I'll Say Something About Them
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06/27/19 1:05:28 PM
#200
Rosetta Stone

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TopicThe SephG Top 250 [movies] - Topic II: the top 75
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06/27/19 1:03:02 PM
#73
I saw ESB when I was like 6 so I didn't know the spoiler. It was a pretty cool twist but not sure I really absorbed the weight of the spoiler though since I was like 6. But it was possible to see those movies spoiler free before the Internet was at full throttle, certainly.
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TopicThe SephG Top 250 [movies] - Topic II: the top 75
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06/27/19 11:26:37 AM
#68
Well big complaints I see about ewoks

1. They're cute teddy bear things that look ridiculous (don't care about this myself-- jawas already kinda had this going on in ANH)
2. They make Empire grunts look like a joke (outside of Vader and Palpatine I'd argue the Empire was already hurting on that front)

I guess they do make the walkers, which still had some credibility, look weak, but at that point it's more nitpicking for me. But I mean, yeah, if those things really bug you, I can see it tanking the movie hard. Like if I found them as obnoxious as young anakin I could see it. Jabba's Palace I could see having the same effect on the bounty hunters too if you really liked that part of the lore, cause they all kinda come off as clownish. Complaints about it kinda seem similar to how I felt about The Last Jedi in some ways, come to think about it. I'm like "it ruined space travel and combat forever and it ruined Luke" and people are like "heh why do you care about that nerd."
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 485: It's Such Good Shit
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06/27/19 9:16:43 AM
#476
Kinda surprised no WWE wrestlers that didn't already have a big footprint in Japan made that list. I'm sure a ton of NJPW talent would be on a US list. I guess NJPW has significantly better market penetration of the US than WWE has of Japan.
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TopicThe SephG Top 250 [movies] - Topic II: the top 75
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06/27/19 9:13:42 AM
#66
It's also about relative badness to goodness. Some great scenes can lift an otherwise mediocre movie a lot easier than an otherwise bad one.

Ewok stuff is pointless and a waste of time but unoffensive. TPM the bad stuff is much worse. Young Anakin in general tanks that movie hard. Also the pod racing isn't actually very cool. Duel of the Fates while good doesn't touch the throne room either.
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TopicThe SephG Top 250 [movies] - Topic II: the top 75
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06/26/19 11:34:33 PM
#63
To touch on 30 posts ago, the problem with Ewoks is more that their subplot seems so fillery than the Ewoks themselves, which are mostly fine. Empire has a split between Luke and the Cloud City crew, but they both have a certain weight and end up meeting up in the end.

You could argue the space stuff links with Luke on the Death Star in a way, but the Ewoks feel really pointless even if that shield generator or whatever ends up mattering.

That being said I really like RotJ, probably more than ANH, just cause that Luke Death Star stuff is so amazing.
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TopicBest Final Fantasy 8 Playable character Day 7
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06/26/19 11:08:15 PM
#14
There goes the best winner

Well. Sorta. I guess Squall is better than Zell but Zell winning would be more novel.
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TopicGauntlet Crew Ranks 90s Horror Films - Do you like ranking scary movies?
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06/26/19 11:07:03 PM
#136
Well I'll say with slasher flicks it really reduces to whether deep down if you want to root for the bad guy or the good guys. Obnoxious characters are better for the former, worse for the latter. I generally root for the bad guys so I'll take mostly obnoxious casts and enjoy it.

Though I will say even if you wanna root for the bad guys, a mix of both is kinda ideal in a lot of cases. Because inevitably you're going to be stuck with a few main characters that take a bit longer to get axed, and you'd like those to be likable at least to build some suspense. But it really depends on how the film is stylized I think. Even having none is okay sometimes if the pacing is more like a demolition derby than methodical, though. I feel like a few Jason movies fit the bill there at least.
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Day 2
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06/26/19 10:54:52 PM
#85
Jafar
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TopicFinal Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 45: Now with 100% more Odin
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06/26/19 9:54:03 PM
#206
Yeah like 80% of my draws being 1/11 since they made that change is the worst
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TopicFinal Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 45: Now with 100% more Odin
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06/26/19 9:48:58 PM
#204
I'm probably not gonna take a full break this time. Daily draw actually being valuable and so much login mythril, and the crazy banner powercreep, and knowing this game renewed my interest before

Probably just gonna check out of all the mythril I have to play the game to get for now, but I do need a break.
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TopicFinal Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 45: Now with 100% more Odin
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06/26/19 9:36:43 PM
#202
Yeah I mean Alph Awakening is fine but it just doesn't excite me to use him.

Obviously I was going for that Rydia Awakening but even some stuff for Fujin that wasn't a terrible USB would've been fine. Hell give me Rydia's Arcane. Anything. I can farm up to 50 mythril for one more 11 draw before it rotates out but man I almost don't care.
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TopicFinal Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 45: Now with 100% more Odin
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06/26/19 9:23:12 PM
#199
Well it's been real, but I think another hiatus from this game is due. This is just a catalyst, really. Not having had drive to do magicite since last fest.

1/11 Fujin USB
1/11 Fujin USB Dupe
1/11 Fujin USB Dupe
2/11 Alph LMR, Fujin LMR
1/11 Rydia LMR
1/11 Alph Awakening

What a haul.
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Day 2
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06/26/19 9:13:14 PM
#45
Dante
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TopicFinal Fantasy Record Keeper Topic 45: Now with 100% more Odin
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06/26/19 9:09:48 PM
#198
7/40

Ashe Arcane
Strago Chain Dupe (argh if only this had been Rikku's)
Alma LMR
Echo LMR Dupe
Vaan LMR2 (Thief Dualcast)
Cinque LMR
Mustadio LMR

Not terrible. Not great. Any chain that wasn't dupe would've been great though.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/26/19 8:58:47 PM
#219
Actually Sbell vs Lea is interesting

We can put SBell as like scum read 2.5?

Lolo is definitely scum though. No doubt in my mind. Look at these wagons.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 14: Subtle Foreshadowing
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06/26/19 8:56:37 PM
#205
I'm sure I'm dead. I would be completely shocked if I'm not dead. Especially taunting the SK.
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