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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 7: Dedicated to Delseban
Lopen
06/20/19 8:26:33 PM
#91
I'm disappointed I was hoping for more forced claims and/or theatrics. I shouldn't have supported giving him the power
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 7: Dedicated to Delseban
Lopen
06/20/19 8:15:11 PM
#44
I suggest force claims on everyone who contributed to the initial dowolf chaos wagon

So

Scare
Ben
Cam
red13n
Lea (no free pass)

Also SBell for good measure just because.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 8:03:03 PM
#448
I support giving it to Chris too
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06/20/19 7:50:38 PM
#400
Damn. I was ready to drop 20 bodies at once to win town the game.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 7:49:24 PM
#393
So what's a kingmaker? Do I get absolute voting power? Well give it to me if you want me to kill red.

Actually I'll be nice and listen to requests.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 7:48:17 PM
#385
Perhaps

I doth?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 7:47:35 PM
#381
I do.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 7:46:15 PM
#375
... fine, whatever. Let it not be said I am not one to compromise.

##Unvote: SBell
##vote: dowolf


Claim please so we can move onto something better.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 7:43:28 PM
#365
Dowolf can you just claim so we consolidate the lynch a bit. If you want to get away without claiming play better.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 7:42:32 PM
#362
I think MZero is a better lynch than dowolf if I have to.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 7:37:51 PM
#341
Currently I'm very annoyed that no lynches can get above 4.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 7:25:23 PM
#306
##Unvote:
##Vote: SBell


I'll take this one. MOMENTUM, GO.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 7:20:47 PM
#290
benjamin3740 posted...
Got one good thing to say about dowolf?


He smells of a scum chaos lynch rather than a legitimate one. That case should've been being built earlier. The biggest town tell of dowolf is that he's so easily gaining support right now with minimal justifications other than "is he scum" "ye" while being at 0 votes at the start of the topic.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 7:15:11 PM
#277
Can we just pile one of the trains high please. Like we need like 7 votes on something to be relatively safe from a non chaotic stupid lynch

One of them that doesn't suck, ideally. IE not Chris. Preferably not dowolf either.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 7:04:57 PM
#261
Don't like the Chris lynch at all. Super bad lynch there. Guy's logic has been solid and he's been active. He's also a huge scum target so logically makes sense to lynch later days if you still suspect him then, as scum will likely remove him as a thing you need to worry about if he's not scum himself.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
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06/20/19 6:45:02 PM
#226
turbopuns3 posted...
I haven't been scum reading him much. What's the lynch pin on him?


Think my initial post on the matter still largely applies.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77805002/923590534

tl;dr

Most of his posts till the last bit have been either saying he'd catch up on reading, apologizing for not being there for a reason, or stifling town momentum without taking a solid stand in defense and really bad Pez vote that seemed to be just for the sake of having a vote down after people were analyzing non-voters. Went after a fairly easy target and did it in a non-assertive way claiming he wanted a split lynch for research (when it clearly wasn't going to be one given the current gamestate)
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 6:39:20 PM
#217
How many votes does Scare have? Is it still 1? Come to red instead.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 6:36:55 PM
#209
Leafeon13N posted...
Apologetic isn't really in my repertoire, tbh. On that one you can talk to Chris.


You've posted a lot about why you can't post. That's apologizing, for me. Dowolf hasn't really given any excuses.

Also based on that random flash mob out for dowolf blood I am more suspicious of:

Benjamin
Cam
Scare
red13n

Mostly the two (Ben and Cam) that expressed suspicion but DIDN'T vote, though.

Lea is a null tell because she's been doing it for everything. And yes I would like some lynches to get higher in number. I will gladly support a red13n or SBell lynch right now if anyone wants to go to either of those.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 6:30:48 PM
#202
In a vacuum, I don't feel dowolf is a particularly strong scum candidate but I'd probably lynch him over most of the game at this point if I had to. He feels like a less apologetic red right now that I haven't as carefully looked through the posts of, basically. Ironically being less apologetic makes him feel more townlike to me, relatively speaking, which is a big part of why red has my vote and dowolf does not, but yeah.

However the formation of that wagon on the drop of a dime based on I'm not sure what, along with the people voting it/supporting it and not voting it, makes me uneasy and I lean town now. Currently I oppose a dowolf lynch unless the opposition is obvtown.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 6:12:09 PM
#169
I just want something that indicates you're trying to find scum and not blend in and find easy lynch targets.

How do you feel about SBell by the way? Notably his stuff towards the end of the last topic. Do you think town feels compelled to list 5 scumspects when they admit they need to catch up on the game and they don't have strong feelings on most of them?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 6:06:47 PM
#163
I was talking to SBell with that reading post

And yeah I heard you and it makes some sense

On the other hand when the crux of my problem with you is that I feel like you're not trying very hard to actually contribute and you spend a bunch of posts talking about stuff not related to this game it's not exactly something that sits well with me.

But hey, you're here now, your phone is charged, so kill em, killer. We've got a few hours left still.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 6:01:22 PM
#158
Also you literally admitted to not having read the game so I'm not even sure what you're on about.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 6:00:54 PM
#155
Just the people I suspect.

Funny how that works. Common threads among people I suspect!
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 5:56:41 PM
#149
red13n posted...
on what basis do you make this post?


The big thing is the first time you said I "didn't read" I read what you wrote just fine. I just didn't respect your stance that the argument on hbthebattle was bad whatsoever and boiled it down to you crying sheep, because that was the meat of your argument against it. "There is no case" is not an argument that is good enough to defeat the case that existed on hbthebattle, no matter if you're saying it or not.

This time I didn't respect that you thinking it was relevant to dwell on the past game. I did not care who started the discussion about the past game-- you were running with it like it mattered much.

So yeah, you paint it like I don't read to discredit my devaluation of your opinions. Which sure, whatever.

As for saying you don't read, I base it on your general lack of content so far and asking questions that have already been answered for example of Pez. You've been a pile of excuses, dated reads from topic 1, and claiming to read the game more than having given evidence you've read the game so far.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 5:42:08 PM
#134
red13n posted...
blatantly been caught not reading the game.


Not respecting your take on the game is not not reading the game.

Not reading the game is what you do.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 5:39:17 PM
#128
Ulti if you're town I'm going to call you bad at this game forever btw. Tunnel vision to the extreme on the first one to dare vote you. It's dumb.

Like you basically have been doing exactly what I expected temper tantrum bad town Ulti to do.

If you're scum good play though because I'm an easy free vote for you.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 5:32:45 PM
#119
You had 6 votes and were being adequately pressured. If you hadn't roleclaimed so easily I may have voted you but it seemed unnecessary at any point to bother. I had nothing to prove with respect to that lynch and I thought the target bomb bit was funny.

Also voting on mobile (or typing much anything more than the bare minimum to get your point across), which I was on at the time, is annoying. Even less incentive to bother.

If anything if you're so sure I'm afraid of voting town because I'm obvscum, you should vote red because clearly I must be bussing a scumbuddy right now, having a vote on him.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 5:25:45 PM
#110
I legitimately don't give a crap if I'm on your votal list currently, even if you flip town (protip if you do end up flipping from being lynched there's a high chance in the end I will be on the lynch so this whole line is fairly pointless too). The logic behind the suspicion was sound so I don't think it makes me look bad either way. Sometimes you get day 1 lynches wrong. It happens. If I'm alive I'm not going to suddenly start denying that I supported or even spearheaded your lynch. If I'm dead it doesn't matter at all since my role would be known.

Like under normal circumstances I think this line has some value but for someone so integral to a lynch gaining traction it's just kind of a dumb thing to suggest as being relevant. That kinda suspicion is better suited for people who were weakly in favor of a lynch.

And yes obviously target bomb was a joke.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 5:05:14 PM
#97
Camarija posted...
It's clear Scare was reading along waiting to get replaced in so it doesn't surprise me that Scare was ready to burst with reads and takes

I think it's probably a good look that he did release all the takes and reads, instead of withholding them


Is it still a good look if said takes and reads were all from the first two topics and that there wasn't a lot of following through on any of them? His grand entrance felt more gimmicky to me than truly about takes and reads. What say you?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 4:46:35 PM
#78
More reasonable, that. If you weren't there doing an ISO on that is fine. I mean, you'll find that my defense of it being absurd that I'd give a damn about avoiding voting him is solid I imagine but if you take the statement at face value yeah it's something to look into me for.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 485: It's Such Good Shit
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06/20/19 4:39:44 PM
#288
That looks like a TEW game where WWE fell to cult.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 4:34:30 PM
#63
I hear if Red kills you in the game, he talks about it next game if he draws scum as an excuse to provide no insight about the current game.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 4:27:41 PM
#51
Which would explain why your Pez read was entirely based on him mentioning there was Serial Killer in the game I guess.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 4:23:37 PM
#38
You don't need to have brought up last game to be dwelling on it when frankly it isn't very interesting to people who weren't in it. How about some suspicions. Anything that isn't an excuse to not be here, really.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 4:20:54 PM
#33
red your contributions have been limited perhaps it would be more prudent to talk about this game rather than the last one with what time you have.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia: Topic 6
Lopen
06/20/19 4:12:14 PM
#19
pezloco posted...
I liked Scares read on Lopen. I intend to ISO Lopen during N1.


Just to be clear... you mean the one where he said I supported no lynch and built a case on Cam for being a Basham Brother?

I just want to make sure we're on the same page here.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 5: Don't Forget to Read the Forward
Lopen
06/20/19 3:38:58 PM
#466
I think the main disagreements I have with Chris's list is Death is too low and Tom is a hair too high and Hb is a hair too high (I'm liking SBell to lynch more than him too though after this last exchange). Otherwise the vibing remains strong.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 5: Don't Forget to Read the Forward
Lopen
06/20/19 3:17:49 PM
#444
htaeD posted...
Lopen strikes me as a guy who just wants to make it through day1


This isn't wrong. I think relatively speaking my day 1s are my weakest day by far. I much do better with actual data on the table.

Of course ideally I'd like to make it through night 1 too.

That being said I don't really feel like I have been half assing this game at any point beyond the first topic.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 5: Don't Forget to Read the Forward
Lopen
06/20/19 3:12:15 PM
#437
The feeling is mutual.

But I'm sure we'll know by tomorrow, one way or the other.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 5: Don't Forget to Read the Forward
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06/20/19 3:10:44 PM
#434
I came at you because I was on top and you have made no attempt to push for my lynch and your initial post against me was weak (and I'm not the only one who said that)

Then you revealed, well, you haven't read the game. So now I'm coming at you because only scum would post a list if they haven't read much of the game, because if you haven't read the game your suspicions are not valuable to town.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 5: Don't Forget to Read the Forward
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06/20/19 3:08:30 PM
#432
I'm actually stifling your opinions of everyone. I said you should not have posted a list.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 5: Don't Forget to Read the Forward
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06/20/19 3:06:06 PM
#430
Stifling misguided opinions is how to play mafia well, actually. A bunch of chickens running around with their heads cut off unable to reach a consensus because they haven't digested the game and formed a good basis for their suspicions is exactly how scum forces bad lynches.

Someone in your position, should you be town, until having read the game well enough to obtain a solid grasp on it, should cede to someone you trust as town for guidance rather than being stubborn and furthering your agenda, because your agenda is based off of next to nothing, currently.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 485: It's Such Good Shit
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06/20/19 3:01:11 PM
#285
scarletspeed7 posted...
Lopen posted...
Kingston vs Ziggler like I really can't fathom this feud existing long term.

I can. The reason I can is because I watched it.


I thoroughly look forward to the Kingston vs Ziggler best of 300 series for the world title if we must have this feud
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 5: Don't Forget to Read the Forward
Lopen
06/20/19 2:57:30 PM
#424
Luis's logic has seemed mostly sound to me. He hasn't posted a lot but I think what he has has for the most part made sense and has had enough focus to seem like stuff a town member would post. I lean town on him. I also inherently trust his ability to identify scum to a degree so I don't want to lynch him early unless I'm dead certain he's scum.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 5: Don't Forget to Read the Forward
Lopen
06/20/19 2:53:09 PM
#422
Obellisk posted...
Lopen, i am slightly put off that oyu are trying to discredit my opinions because they are not made out of everyones full content so far this game.


I am not discrediting your opinions exactly.

I am saying town would show some humility and probably not feel the need to post a list of 5 if they hadn't read much of the game yet or didn't have 5 solid suspicions.

Posting a list at all seems scummy. Like you're doing it to avert suspicion moreso than to be helpful.

Please continue to try to build the case though this is how we find if you're defensive misguided town or scum. This case is still weak. Read the topics.
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TopicAll-Purpose Wrestling Topic 485: It's Such Good Shit
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06/20/19 2:49:37 PM
#281
Kingston vs Ziggler like I really can't fathom this feud existing long term. You needed to feud Kingston with a STRONG main eventer as crowd support or not he's just not a proven commodity yet and doesn't have ME level credibility. I dare say Kingston is actually hurting the prestige of the title at the moment rather than being elevated by it with this booking.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 5: Don't Forget to Read the Forward
Lopen
06/20/19 2:32:05 PM
#400
And listen, I'm not saying you can't have valid opinions

I'm just wondering why you of all people would feel compelled to post a top 5 with your currently incomplete level of information. Do you think it helps town? What if the entire town read topic 1 and bits and pieces of the others-- would they have a more or less accurate view of the game?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 5: Don't Forget to Read the Forward
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06/20/19 2:28:55 PM
#397
Much like a hermit who has lived in complete isolation since 1957 would have equally valid opinions about today's society vs someone who is currently living in it.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 5: Don't Forget to Read the Forward
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06/20/19 2:22:49 PM
#385
I voted Cam as a countervote to him voting Lea. This was early topic 1 however, and wasn't a real vote but I felt no immediate need to change it. I did eventually get some legit suspicions due to him being weird about the Lea "caught you posting on the scumboard" slip, and thinking maybe the lone wolf thing may have had some viability as well, which was convenient as I didn't need to change to him then.

Not sure why someone who hasn't read the game is feeling a need to give a list of 5 though. That's really weird to me. Why do you think your opinion is valuable to town, currently, if you admit the game deserves a reread and you're largely using incomplete reads from 4 topics ago?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 5: Don't Forget to Read the Forward
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06/20/19 2:10:50 PM
#364
Also ##Vote: Red13n again I guess cause we can't lose that high pressure lead.
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