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Some of them do, apparently
https://twitter.com/MattBruenig/status/1020664584540127232
Also, this song
https://twitter.com/RyanAFournier/status/1020067757725974528
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/18/politics/kfile-jason-lewis/index.html

He has a lot of other CE style thoughts about women, too
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Trump's love affair with Putin doesn't absolve Obama's love affair with Saudi Arabia, or vice versa. They're both bad!
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Aye posted...

Impeachment, or if that doesn't work, take some ideas from French history.

Let me tell you: impeachment will not work
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How do you plan on addressing such a problem?
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BignutzisBack posted...

I always get a kick out of liberals calling the right Nazis while they have been trying to wipe out a Jewish country for years lol. Maybe it's projection?

The Nazis support Israel because it is the model of what they'd want a white ethnostate to look like: https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/richard-spencer-gives-israel-as-example-of-ethno-state-he-wants-in-u-s-1.5459154
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- The president who thinks Beethoven refers to a dog.
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Antifar posted...

Peterson's shtick is couching inflammatory statements in mountains of obfuscation, and then crying foul when critics rightly note the wild s*** that comes out of his mouth. The rallying cries of his fans downplay the only noteworthy things he says: "he doesn't mean that literally," "you need to watch the full two hour lecture," "he's just asking questions, that's not something he believes."

This was posted in another topic but man does it hold true here. Every discussion about Peterson becomes a second-order debate, not about his ideas, but about whether his critics are unfair to him by not reading his whole book and watching every two-hour Youtube video he's ever put out.

Peterson's fans love him because finally someone who looks like they do can claim to be an aggrieved victim.
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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/the-rhode-island-democratic-party-may-have-endorsed-a-trump-supporter.html
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

I'd never call on people to commit violence on others.

Every call for harsher, stricter measures at the border is a call for violence on others
Every defense of the second amendment on the grounds that it's necessary to fight off the government is a call for violence on others
Every chant to "lock her up" was a call for armed agents of the state to imprison a woman who hadn't been put on trial, much less convicted.
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This is really tame compared to like, anything Trump has said about a protester at one of his rallies.
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StucklnMyPants posted...

To be fair, both sides become indignant over issues when it's politically convenient. That's just how it works.

If anything, the right becomes indignant over issues when they are at their smallest. Trump won on "law and order" and "build the wall" when crime was at 50 year lows and illegal immigration had already slowed
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https://twitter.com/zei_nabq/status/1008817930761580546
https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/1009716701385101313
https://globalnews.ca/news/4287272/jordan-peterson-sues-wilfrid-laurier-for-defamation-following-ta-case/
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https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-rise-of-the-child-friendly-luxury-kitchen-1528987525

When Chiara and Tom Clark decided to gut-renovate the kitchen of their Gulf Stream, Fla., home, their 9-year-old daughter, Finley, had one request: abundant counter space for the wacky pizza competitions she hosts with her friends.

Recent winners: a marshmallow and mayo pizza, along with a radish and Jell-O version. They love it, Ms. Clark says.

The Clarks nearly $500,000 renovation made the kitchen child-friendly for Fletcher, 4, and Francesca, 7, as well. All of the kitchens storage is below counter height, so even those who are 4-feet and under have total access. Everything is at eye-level, says Ms. Clark, a 41-year-old event planner who is currently a stay-at-home mom.

Now, when the children prepare Sunday morning pancakes for their parents, they need little supervision. Mixers are kept in a lower cabinet, a designated shelf holds child-friendly utensils and theres even a separate pantry area to store pancake mix and M&Msa favorite pancake topping.

In luxury homeswhere the kitchen is often the centerpiecemore designers are being asked to create spaces especially for little family members. Many are installing convenient storage areas, accessible pantries, under-cabinet refrigerator drawers and discrete homework islands that still look sleek. The goal? To let the children cook simple meals, help with cleanup, and do crafts and homework without so-called helicoptering from adults. Its under-the-radar, says Chicago-based kitchen designer Mick De Giulio. Its not something that looks like a kiddie area.

After a request from parents who wanted their children to make breakfast for themselves, Mr. De Giulio started designing what he calls a La Mattina or morning kitchen that is out of the way of the traditional kitchen work zone with the sink, refrigerator and range. With under-counter refrigerators, toasters, a microwave and racks for more durable dishes, the breakfast area allows both children and adults to make far more than just breakfast. A drawer with outlets for charging devices is also installed nearby, he adds.
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When Chicago chef Craig Bell and his wife, Adrienne Fasano, were designing their kitchen with Mr. De Giulio four years ago, their 8-year-old son, Halsted, was a top consideration. The new layout included under-counter refrigeration along with a bread drawer so he can make anything from french toast to scrambled eggs for weekend breakfast and a caprese salad for lunch. All of the dishware is readily accessible, says Mr. Bell, who owns a catering company and restaurant.

Mr. Bell also stores appliances below the counter for blenders and other portable appliances, along with a beverage center within reach for his son but away from the main stove area. With the majority of items at counter height, Mr. Bell only keeps fine china, meat grinders, cocktail glasses and a prized Robot-Coupe, a professional-grade food processor, out of arms reach. A built-in cutting board helps prevent any temptation to use a knife directly on the counter, he adds. Anytime he wants to bake a cake, hes able to pull out all the ingredients, a step stool and get up to the counter with a proper angle, says Mr. Bell, who has three older children.
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Other homeowners are designing separate island areas to create discrete homework areas out of the way from the cooking, says Niki Serras, a Detroit-based supplier of Scavolini, an Italian cabinetry maker. Adding handles to super modern flat panel cabinets is another frequent request, she adds.

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Does Smash count?
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Ummmm

I'm gonna say no.
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfhAcbxWsAAc3iZ.jpg
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The gun owners who are supposed to protect us from tyranny will find ways to justify every abuse of governmental authority so long as it's targeted against college students and minorities.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme that should be burned to the fucking ground.

Let Americans save their own money or spend it as they see fit.

Weren't you all in on Litecoin?
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Every "small government" conservative wants not complying to be something cops can kick your ribs in for. They love authoritarianism.
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https://archive.fo/Q1alY#selection-1879.0-1879.557

One of my own rules for life is coffee after lunch, but who needs caffeine when you have Peterson? Hospitals may do more harm than good, solar power kills more people than nuclear if you have ears, he can prick them up. His sentences have the arc of well-thrown darts. I have to remind myself to stop admiring his words, and to keep interrogating his ideas.

Could 12 Rules for Life stand up to peer review? Have at it, man! Yeah, I was very careful about the claims in the book. OK, in a chapter on why people dont follow their prescriptions, his arguments centre on the guilt of Adam and Eve. Is that testable? The way you would test that is to find out whether people who are harsher on themselves would be less likely to take prescription medication. The probability thats true is pretty high. But, he concedes, the research hasnt been done.

Predictably, Peterson doubts climate change is man-made. His book is scathing about environmentalists, whom he accuses of wanting fewer humans on the planet. This, he says, causes students to suffer genuine declines in their mental health. Is there any evidence for that? One second, two seconds 10 seconds pass. No. Theres no hard evidence. He suggests the problem is an epidemiological matter: the instruments that people used to assess depression in the 1950s arent the same as the instruments now. So the point is more a hypothesis.
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Peterson sees himself as more of a traditionalist than a conservative. Yet he is abandoning traditional institutions. He exalts the meaning found in Bible stories but he no longer goes to church. I cant tolerate it. I find the ritualistic presentation of the ideas I dont know how to say it exactly I dont feel that the people who are presenting the stories are discussing them as if they believe that theyre true. Does he donate to charity? He gives to a kids charity in Toronto and to public television, but not on a massive scale.
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Its a shame, too, because I had wanted to ask Peterson about his claim that parents should hit their misbehaving children, and not just with a swat across the backside. Peer-reviewed articles suggest it does long-term harm. Id also like to know more about his eye-catching argument that social inequalities are part of the natural order, reflected in the serotonin levels of lobsters and humans. Interestingly, he never mentions in 12 Rules that he took anti-depressants to increase serotonin levels in his own brain. Perhaps serotonin isnt destiny?

I ask about his influence. He knows that context matters: in 2013, he co-wrote a study that found that a meditation session made people more liberal. These days he claims he is stopping angry young men from embracing extremism. But could he be encouraging his admirers to reinforce their prejudices, to build up steam? No, I dont think so . . . They never talk about politics to me, when they meet me.
Peterson jokes that prophets tend to meet a pretty dismal end and is afraid that his outspokenness will go too far that he will end up saying something that would do me in. But its hard to imagine what this could be. Peterson has already accused feminists who defend Muslim rights of an unconscious wish for brutal male domination, with no apparent ill-effect on book sales.

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How much should professors be paid?
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People who love MLK's "judge people not by the color of their skin" quote always seem to forget the "but by the content of their character" part.

Trump and Obama aren't entitled to equal treatment from the media given that they act in vastly different ways.
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Does Donkey Kong 64 count, seeing as it was the only 3D platformer of the series?
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Bio1590 posted...

Literally no one would care about Peterson if he wasn't telling them exactly what they wanted to hear to support their beliefs.

Basically this. He tells the failsons of the world that no, the problems they face are actually the result of "postmodernism" (a term whose meaning he plays fast and loose with, and which his followers typically understand to mean "SJWs"), and that their rightful place is indeed at the top of the food chain.

Anyways
https://imgur.com/wtTcA7Y
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Twitter is great, in that it allows Martina Navratilova to dunk on members of congress.
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What other news stories do you believe are secretly funded by large corporations for cynical purposes?
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America's bosses pose a bigger threat to freedom of speech than any college student
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You've posted dis before
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Is anybody really gonna spend the money to buy both separately?
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https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040

Come on
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Wasn't the thing that got Flynn in trouble a call to Russia about a UN vote pertaining to Israel?
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It's important to actually watch his lectures and listen to the things Peterson says. Like this: https://twitter.com/zei_nabq/status/997575537089564672
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This guy was a judge
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Omega Hunter posted...

It's nearly 2 hours long and is on youtube, I listened to the whole thing and with that backround I understand exactly what he is saying about dragons and witches and none of it is crazy.

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Also his stuff is just not true
https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/997491509833412612
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All this is just the exact same bullshit nerds on CE and 4chan and Reddit already believe, put into nicer language and given an intellectual sheen by his day job as a professor.

Whenever I listen to him, its like hes telling me something I already knew, Mr. Logan says. Learning is remembering.

There's a reason for that!
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/style/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life.html

So he was radicalized, he says, because the radical left wants to eliminate hierarchies, which he says are the natural order of the world. In his book he illustrates this idea with the social behavior of lobsters. He chose lobsters because they have hierarchies and are a very ancient species, and are also invertebrates with serotonin. This lobster hierarchy has become a rallying cry for his fans; they put images of the crustacean on T-shirts and mugs.

The left, he believes, refuses to admit that men might be in charge because they are better at it. The people who hold that our culture is an oppressive patriarchy, they dont want to admit that the current hierarchy might be predicated on competence, he said.

Mr. Peterson illustrates his arguments with copious references to ancient myths bringing up stories of witches, biblical allegories and ancient traditions. I ask why these old stories should guide us today.

It makes sense that a witch lives in a swamp. Yeah, he says. Why?

Its a hard one.

Right. Thats right. You dont know. Its because those things hang together at a very deep level. Right. Yeah. And it makes sense that an old king lives in a desiccated tower.

But witches dont exist, and they dont live in swamps, I say.

Yeah, they do. They do exist. They just dont exist the way you think they exist. They certainly exist. You may say well dragons dont exist. Its, like, yes they do the category predator and the category dragon are the same category. It absolutely exists. Its a superordinate category. It exists absolutely more than anything else. In fact, it really exists. What exists is not obvious. You say, Well, theres no such thing as witches. Yeah, I know what you mean, but that isnt what you think when you go see a movie about them. You cant help but fall into these categories. Theres no escape from them.

Recently, a young man named Alek Minassian drove through Toronto trying to kill people with his van. Ten were killed, and he has been charged with first-degree murder for their deaths, and with attempted murder for 16 people who were injured. Mr. Minassian declared himself to be part of a misogynist group whose members call themselves incels. The term is short for involuntary celibates, though the group has evolved into a male supremacist movement made up of people some celibate, some not who believe that women should be treated as sexual objects with few rights. Some believe in forced sexual redistribution, in which a governing body would intervene in womens lives to force them into sexual relationships.

Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.

He was angry at God because women were rejecting him, Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. The cure for that is enforced monogamy. Thats actually why monogamy emerges.

Mr. Peterson does not pause when he says this. Enforced monogamy is, to him, simply a rational solution. Otherwise women will all only go for the most high-status men, he explains, and that couldnt make either gender happy in the end.

Half the men fail, he says, meaning that they dont procreate. And no one cares about the men who fail.

I laugh, because it is absurd.

Youre laughing about them, he says, giving me a disappointed look. Thats because youre female.

But aside from interventions that would redistribute sex, Mr. Peterson is staunchly against what he calls equality of outcomes, or efforts to equalize society. He usually calls them pathological or evil.

He agrees that this is inconsistent. But preventing hordes of single men from violence, he believes, is necessary for the stability of society. Enforced monogamy helps neutralize that.

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southcoast09 posted...

Forgive my loan that I knowingly took it as an adult!!! Forget the people who NEED money, bail me out so I can buy more craft beer and concert tickets! Let veterans die in the streets, just so I have pocket change!

Do you support anything being done for the homeless, or are you just cynically using the existence of homeless veterans to argue against programs that would benefit any other group?
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The Admiral posted...

It's been theirs since 1948, not sure what you're talking about.

The West Bank is not theirs, though. And they continue to build settlements there.

The International Court of Justice advisory ruling (2004) concluded that events that came after the 1967 occupation of the West Bank by Israel, including the Jerusalem Law, Israel's peace treaty with Jordan and the Oslo Accords, did not change the status of the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) as occupied territory with Israel as the occupying power.

Gaza is not theirs, and they blockade it from the rest of the world.

If Israel is treated differently, it is because their actions are different, their context is different.
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The Admiral posted...

Slavery ended long before colonialism did, so not sure what your point is on that time frame.

You don't strike me as someone who typically ascribes U.S. success to slavery, though. Would it be hypocritical for the U.S. to oppose slavery in another country in 2018?

The Admiral posted...

And since Israel is the only nation that these European countries seem to attack for taking that stance, their motives are quite transparent.

Are there other examples of modern countries with Israel's penchant for occupying territory that isn't theirs under international law?
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The Admiral posted...

especially considering that almost all of those same countries were former monarchies who owe their present-day positions to colonialism.

Colonialism ended decades ago, though. Is your take here that it's hypocritical for countries to change for the better over the course of decades and several changes in political leadership?
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The Admiral posted...

Won't someone please think of these whores.

I know you have an interest in crime statistics. You should know that the homicide rate for women went down when the outlets shuttered by this law went up.
http://gregoryjdeangelo.com/workingpapers/Craigslist5.0.pdf
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What was wrong with the term libertarian?
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Maybe he meant clown
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American politicians would never so casually talk about the destruction of a country

https://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Adelson-US-should-drop-atomic-bomb-on-Iran-329641
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/opinion/to-stop-irans-bomb-bomb-iran.html
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southcoast09 posted...

Uhh maybe because he stabbed his political party in the back and allowed Obamacare to continue killing people

Do you really think loyalty to a political party is important?
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Funny how people are okay with the things they agree with
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The Deadpool posted...

We want to ban guns!!!

For our safety, law officers with guns are allowed during the rally.

See what I did there.

See it?

You understand no one has tried to remove guns from police officers, right?

Fact of the matter is EVERYONE agrees that less guns is safer. Thats why you cant being a gun to the NRA...

Why do mass shootings happen in gun free zones, but never a gun show?

Or gun ranges, where there are actually people shooting guns.

American sniper Chris Kyle was killed at a gun range
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