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nicklebro 05/19/18 6:58:58 AM #101:	FLUFFYGERM posted... TheCyborgNinja posted... TheVipaGTS posted... When was it ever cool to like that idiot? Love him or hate him, he isn't wrong about freedom of speech issues. TheVipaGTS and the other people mindlessly bashing Jordan Peterson hate freedom of speech Usually then people that hate him we're introduced to him by far left wing/SJW sources that told them what to think about him. As opposed to people like me (and id assume you) who were introduced to him first hand and actually judge him and his words based on merit. While I don't agree with everything he says (which even he says is a good thing, otherwise youre toeing the line of ideology which is the main issue he is battling against. Even moreso than freedom.of speech, he absolutely abhors any and all ideologies. Now like I mentioned, I disagree with him in a few things which is healthy, but so far on this site anyways I haven't seen a single one of his detractors come up with a solid argument as to why this man isn't worth listening to. Lol hell some even fall for the nonsense that he's an alt righter. Tbh I don't see how you can definitively claim he's a right winger at all. In fact with how he defines the difference in temperaments between the average conservative brain and the average liberal mind, he labels his own temperament as being that of someone far more liberal than conservative, tho obviously that doesn't prove anything and he's infamously tight-lipped about where his personal politics lie on the political spectrum. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901616964] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote><cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote>When was it ever cool to like that idiot?</quote> Love him or hate him, he isn't wrong about freedom of speech issues.</quote> TheVipaGTS and the other people mindlessly bashing Jordan Peterson hate freedom of speech</quote> Usually then people that hate him we're introduced to him by far left wing/SJW sources that told them what to think about him. As opposed to people like me (and id assume you) who were introduced to him first hand and actually judge him and his words based on merit. While I don't agree with everything he says (which even he says is a good thing, otherwise youre toeing the line of ideology which is the main issue he is battling against. Even moreso than freedom.of speech, he absolutely abhors any and all ideologies. Now like I mentioned, I disagree with him in a few things which is healthy, but so far on this site anyways I haven't seen a single one of his detractors come up with a solid argument as to why this man isn't worth listening to. Lol hell some even fall for the nonsense that he's an alt righter. Tbh I don't see how you can definitively claim he's a right winger at all. In fact with how he defines the difference in temperaments between the average conservative brain and the average liberal mind, he labels his own temperament as being that of someone far more liberal than conservative, tho obviously that doesn't prove anything and he's infamously tight-lipped about where his personal politics lie on the political spectrum.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 05/19/18 7:04:57 AM #102:	Nicklebro coming through with the well thought out and reasonable post. It's crazy watching in real time how JP was always given the benefit of the doubt or praised until the left wing media started to lie, mis characterize, and slander him. Now suddenly he has all these haters. Their BS really works on people. God I can't believe I ever considered myself a liberal. I used to drink the same cool aid. --- Living is naturally hell, you have to work to put a smile on. http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/7_ugmpjq.gif <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:901617074] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>Nicklebro coming through with the well thought out and reasonable post. It's crazy watching in real time how JP was always given the benefit of the doubt or praised until the left wing media started to lie, mis characterize, and slander him. Now suddenly he has all these haters. Their BS really works on people. God I can't believe I ever considered myself a liberal. I used to drink the same cool aid.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/19/18 7:16:25 AM #103:	Omega Hunter posted... Nicklebro coming through with the well thought out and reasonable post. It's crazy watching in real time how JP was always given the benefit of the doubt or praised until the left wing media started to lie, mis characterize, and slander him. Now suddenly he has all these haters. Their BS really works on people. God I can't believe I ever considered myself a liberal. I used to drink the same cool aid. I'm still a liberal, I've been a staunch left winger for my whole life but this JP debacle has exposed parts of the liberal movement to be dishonest ideologically driven propagandists. I mean when I see supposed news sources calling him an alt righter or that he's a transphobe and that he hates Jews then I really opened my eyes to the fact that some of the rjght's criticism of the left is actually true, specifically the criticism of liberal media sources. I never believed a word of it till JP. I thought FOX News did all the lying and left leaning channels only make honest mistakes. And while that's still mostly true, I've now accspted that the left will like just as egregiously as the right, tho I'd say just not as much --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901617270] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>Nicklebro coming through with the well thought out and reasonable post. It's crazy watching in real time how JP was always given the benefit of the doubt or praised until the left wing media started to lie, mis characterize, and slander him. Now suddenly he has all these haters. Their BS really works on people. God I can't believe I ever considered myself a liberal. I used to drink the same cool aid.</quote> I'm still a liberal, I've been a staunch left winger for my whole life but this JP debacle has exposed parts of the liberal movement to be dishonest ideologically driven propagandists. I mean when I see supposed news sources calling him an alt righter or that he's a transphobe and that he hates Jews then I really opened my eyes to the fact that some of the rjght's criticism of the left is actually true, specifically the criticism of liberal media sources. I never believed a word of it till JP. I thought FOX News did all the lying and left leaning channels only make honest mistakes. And while that's still mostly true, I've now accspted that the left will like just as egregiously as the right, tho I'd say just not as much</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HaVeNII7 05/19/18 7:17:00 AM #104:	I didnt realize he was such a hot button issue with people. I saw some YouTube video with him a week ago, and have been watching his vids ever since. He says some things that I disagree with, but so does everyone. I honestly dont get why hes so controversial? He seems respectful enough while voicing his opinions, and its good to listen to people who you dont agree with as well. --- PSN/Steam: HaVeNII7 <cite>HaVeNII7 posted [p:901617284] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>I didnt realize he was such a hot button issue with people. I saw some YouTube video with him a week ago, and have been watching his vids ever since. He says some things that I disagree with, but so does everyone. I honestly dont get why hes so controversial? He seems respectful enough while voicing his opinions, and its good to listen to people who you dont agree with as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 05/19/18 7:25:33 AM #105:	nicklebro posted... I'm still a liberal, I've been a staunch left winger for my whole life but this JP debacle has exposed parts of the liberal movement to be dishonest ideologically driven propagandists. I mean when I see supposed news sources calling him an alt righter or that he's a transphobe and that he hates Jews then I really opened my eyes to the fact that some of the rjght's criticism of the left is actually true, specifically the criticism of liberal media sources. I never believed a word of it till JP. I thought FOX News did all the lying and left leaning channels only make honest mistakes. And while that's still mostly true, I've now accspted that the left will like just as egregiously as the right, tho I'd say just not as much Dude I agree with everything you just said and have realized the exact same thing these past 6 months. Except I am now independent, I won't call myself liberal anymore. I mean I read the Washington post everyday, i have for years. I read about foreign leaders about artists, criminals you name it. However i dont know any of these people I read about I just accept that the journalists are being honest. Meanwhile I have for a long time loved to listen to Jordan Peterson lectures and speeches on youtube. I have listened to over 100 hours of them. So when I came accroas a Washington post article one day on JP it was like the first time I was reading them talk about someone I actually knew. It was all lies, it was entirely slanted/slandering/mis characterizing/half truths garbage. Now I think of all the thousands of articles I have read from this newspaper my entire life and its honestly an earth shattering wakeup call. I am actually forced to defend the president calling these people fake news. That's exactly what the fuck they are, fake news. --- Living is naturally hell, you have to work to put a smile on. http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/7_ugmpjq.gif <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:901617431] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>I'm still a liberal, I've been a staunch left winger for my whole life but this JP debacle has exposed parts of the liberal movement to be dishonest ideologically driven propagandists. I mean when I see supposed news sources calling him an alt righter or that he's a transphobe and that he hates Jews then I really opened my eyes to the fact that some of the rjght's criticism of the left is actually true, specifically the criticism of liberal media sources. I never believed a word of it till JP. I thought FOX News did all the lying and left leaning channels only make honest mistakes. And while that's still mostly true, I've now accspted that the left will like just as egregiously as the right, tho I'd say just not as much</quote> Dude I agree with everything you just said and have realized the exact same thing these past 6 months. Except I am now independent, I won't call myself liberal anymore. I mean I read the Washington post everyday, i have for years. I read about foreign leaders about artists, criminals you name it. However i dont know any of these people I read about I just accept that the journalists are being honest. Meanwhile I have for a long time loved to listen to Jordan Peterson lectures and speeches on youtube. I have listened to over 100 hours of them. So when I came accroas a Washington post article one day on JP it was like the first time I was reading them talk about someone I actually knew. It was all lies, it was entirely slanted/slandering/mis characterizing/half truths garbage. Now I think of all the thousands of articles I have read from this newspaper my entire life and its honestly an earth shattering wakeup call. I am actually forced to defend the president calling these people fake news. That's exactly what the fuck they are, fake news.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/19/18 7:29:04 AM #106:	HaVeNII7 posted... I didnt realize he was such a hot button issue with people. I saw some YouTube video with him a week ago, and have been watching his vids ever since. He says some things that I disagree with, but so does everyone. I honestly dont get why hes so controversial? He seems respectful enough while voicing his opinions, and its good to listen to people who you dont agree with as well. Some people are contrarians, some people are brainwashed SJWs, some people think they're smarter than they really are (at least two posters ITT fall under this category). And then there are people who actually disagree with the majority of what he says and thinks he has nothing to offer them inteectually or philosophically. I don't think I've actually met someone truly part of that last group tho I've met people claiming to be. But who knows? I could be wrong. Maybe Peterson is truly a hack. I don't think so tho. Lol especially seeing the argent's against him. One guy spent paragraphs and paragraphs trying to argue that since JP said that it's a good idea to stand.up straight withgokd posture, that means he was promoting the use of "power poses" which have been lroven to not do what people claim they do, so therefore everything he says is wrong and no one should pay attention to him. Lol because be said to stand up straight with good posture, never mentioning power poses or their supposed benefits. I could go on listing other incredibly stupid and nitpicky Arguments against him, all of which require the same amount of mental.gymnastics as that first one, but it's a waste if time and frankly annoys me. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901617502] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>HaVeNII7 posted...</cite> <quote>I didnt realize he was such a hot button issue with people. I saw some YouTube video with him a week ago, and have been watching his vids ever since. He says some things that I disagree with, but so does everyone. I honestly dont get why hes so controversial? He seems respectful enough while voicing his opinions, and its good to listen to people who you dont agree with as well.</quote> Some people are contrarians, some people are brainwashed SJWs, some people think they're smarter than they really are (at least two posters ITT fall under this category). And then there are people who actually disagree with the majority of what he says and thinks he has nothing to offer them inteectually or philosophically. I don't think I've actually met someone truly part of that last group tho I've met people claiming to be. But who knows? I could be wrong. Maybe Peterson is truly a hack. I don't think so tho. Lol especially seeing the argent's against him. One guy spent paragraphs and paragraphs trying to argue that since JP said that it's a good idea to stand.up straight withgokd posture, that means he was promoting the use of "power poses" which have been lroven to not do what people claim they do, so therefore everything he says is wrong and no one should pay attention to him. Lol because be said to stand up straight with good posture, never mentioning power poses or their supposed benefits. I could go on listing other incredibly stupid and nitpicky Arguments against him, all of which require the same amount of mental.gymnastics as that first one, but it's a waste if time and frankly annoys me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 05/19/18 7:29:32 AM #107:	Omega Hunter posted... nicklebro posted... I'm still a liberal, I've been a staunch left winger for my whole life but this JP debacle has exposed parts of the liberal movement to be dishonest ideologically driven propagandists. I mean when I see supposed news sources calling him an alt righter or that he's a transphobe and that he hates Jews then I really opened my eyes to the fact that some of the rjght's criticism of the left is actually true, specifically the criticism of liberal media sources. I never believed a word of it till JP. I thought FOX News did all the lying and left leaning channels only make honest mistakes. And while that's still mostly true, I've now accspted that the left will like just as egregiously as the right, tho I'd say just not as much Dude I agree with everything you just said and have realized the exact same thing these past 6 months. Except I am now independent, I won't call myself liberal anymore. I mean I read the Washington post everyday, i have for years. I read about foreign leaders about artists, criminals you name it. However i dont know any of these people I read about I just accept that the journalists are being honest. Meanwhile I have for a long time loved to listen to Jordan Peterson lectures and speeches on youtube. I have listened to over 100 hours of them. So when I came accroas a Washington post article one day on JP it was like the first time I was reading them talk about someone I actually knew. It was all lies, it was entirely slanted/slandering/mis characterizing/half truths garbage. Now I think of all the thousands of articles I have read from this newspaper my entire life and its honestly an earth shattering wakeup call. I am actually forced to defend the president calling these people fake news. That's exactly what the fuck they are, fake news. Yep, when you're an expert on something that's when you can easily spot the bullshit in journalism. It's truly an eye opening experience. <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:901617519] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>I'm still a liberal, I've been a staunch left winger for my whole life but this JP debacle has exposed parts of the liberal movement to be dishonest ideologically driven propagandists. I mean when I see supposed news sources calling him an alt righter or that he's a transphobe and that he hates Jews then I really opened my eyes to the fact that some of the rjght's criticism of the left is actually true, specifically the criticism of liberal media sources. I never believed a word of it till JP. I thought FOX News did all the lying and left leaning channels only make honest mistakes. And while that's still mostly true, I've now accspted that the left will like just as egregiously as the right, tho I'd say just not as much</quote> Dude I agree with everything you just said and have realized the exact same thing these past 6 months. Except I am now independent, I won't call myself liberal anymore. I mean I read the Washington post everyday, i have for years. I read about foreign leaders about artists, criminals you name it. However i dont know any of these people I read about I just accept that the journalists are being honest. Meanwhile I have for a long time loved to listen to Jordan Peterson lectures and speeches on youtube. I have listened to over 100 hours of them. So when I came accroas a Washington post article one day on JP it was like the first time I was reading them talk about someone I actually knew. It was all lies, it was entirely slanted/slandering/mis characterizing/half truths garbage. Now I think of all the thousands of articles I have read from this newspaper my entire life and its honestly an earth shattering wakeup call. I am actually forced to defend the president calling these people fake news. That's exactly what the fuck they are, fake news.</quote> Yep, when you're an expert on something that's when you can easily spot the bullshit in journalism. It's truly an eye opening experience.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/19/18 7:36:46 AM #108:	Omega Hunter posted... nicklebro posted... I'm still a liberal, I've been a staunch left winger for my whole life but this JP debacle has exposed parts of the liberal movement to be dishonest ideologically driven propagandists. I mean when I see supposed news sources calling him an alt righter or that he's a transphobe and that he hates Jews then I really opened my eyes to the fact that some of the rjght's criticism of the left is actually true, specifically the criticism of liberal media sources. I never believed a word of it till JP. I thought FOX News did all the lying and left leaning channels only make honest mistakes. And while that's still mostly true, I've now accspted that the left will like just as egregiously as the right, tho I'd say just not as much Dude I agree with everything you just said and have realized the exact same thing these past 6 months. Except I am now independent, I won't call myself liberal anymore. I mean I read the Washington post everyday, i have for years. I read about foreign leaders about artists, criminals you name it. However i dont know any of these people I read about I just accept that the journalists are being honest. Meanwhile I have for a long time loved to listen to Jordan Peterson lectures and speeches on youtube. I have listened to over 100 hours of them. So when I came accroas a Washington post article one day on JP it was like the first time I was reading them talk about someone I actually knew. It was all lies, it was entirely slanted/slandering/mis characterizing/half truths garbage. Now I think of all the thousands of articles I have read from this newspaper my entire life and its honestly an earth shattering wakeup call. I am actually forced to defend the president calling these people fake news. That's exactly what the fuck they are, fake news. Yeah my experience was almost identical. But I made sure not to overreact and erase these news sources from my life, I'm just sure to corroborate the stories I read there in my own so that I don't believe anything until I am personally satisfied with the validity of a story. I remember hearing a good line but I forget from who, someone asked what you should do to determine what news is real and what news is fake. Be said (your best) and that was it lol. But it's so true. All you can do is your own personal best, otherwise you'll always be relying on someone else to tell you what is true and what is not. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901617673] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>I'm still a liberal, I've been a staunch left winger for my whole life but this JP debacle has exposed parts of the liberal movement to be dishonest ideologically driven propagandists. I mean when I see supposed news sources calling him an alt righter or that he's a transphobe and that he hates Jews then I really opened my eyes to the fact that some of the rjght's criticism of the left is actually true, specifically the criticism of liberal media sources. I never believed a word of it till JP. I thought FOX News did all the lying and left leaning channels only make honest mistakes. And while that's still mostly true, I've now accspted that the left will like just as egregiously as the right, tho I'd say just not as much</quote> Dude I agree with everything you just said and have realized the exact same thing these past 6 months. Except I am now independent, I won't call myself liberal anymore. I mean I read the Washington post everyday, i have for years. I read about foreign leaders about artists, criminals you name it. However i dont know any of these people I read about I just accept that the journalists are being honest. Meanwhile I have for a long time loved to listen to Jordan Peterson lectures and speeches on youtube. I have listened to over 100 hours of them. So when I came accroas a Washington post article one day on JP it was like the first time I was reading them talk about someone I actually knew. It was all lies, it was entirely slanted/slandering/mis characterizing/half truths garbage. Now I think of all the thousands of articles I have read from this newspaper my entire life and its honestly an earth shattering wakeup call. I am actually forced to defend the president calling these people fake news. That's exactly what the fuck they are, fake news.</quote> Yeah my experience was almost identical. But I made sure not to overreact and erase these news sources from my life, I'm just sure to corroborate the stories I read there in my own so that I don't believe anything until I am personally satisfied with the validity of a story. I remember hearing a good line but I forget from who, someone asked what you should do to determine what news is real and what news is fake. Be said (your best) and that was it lol. But it's so true. All you can do is your own personal best, otherwise you'll always be relying on someone else to tell you what is true and what is not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfDiscOne 05/19/18 7:48:02 AM #109:	The turning point for me was the James Damore google memo. I read the memo first before I saw any media coverage. Then I couldnt believe the media slant, and everyones reaction after reading the headlines. That was when I first learned of JP too. --- I am the Cheese! I am the best character on the show! I am better than both the salami and the bologna *COMBINED!* <cite>EndOfDiscOne posted [p:901617923] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>The turning point for me was the James Damore google memo. I read the memo first before I saw any media coverage. Then I couldnt believe the media slant, and everyones reaction after reading the headlines. That was when I first learned of JP too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/19/18 8:09:11 AM #110:	EndOfDiscOne posted... The turning point for me was the James Damore google memo. I read the memo first before I saw any media coverage. Then I couldnt believe the media slant, and everyones reaction after reading the headlines. That was when I first learned of JP too. Yes! Omg the Damore memo was and is such a frustrating topic. I cant believe that anyone with an ounce of intelligence would read that memo and come away thinking he was being bigoted or that he was wrong in any way shape or form. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901618366] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>EndOfDiscOne posted...</cite> <quote>The turning point for me was the James Damore google memo. I read the memo first before I saw any media coverage. Then I couldnt believe the media slant, and everyones reaction after reading the headlines. That was when I first learned of JP too.</quote> Yes! Omg the Damore memo was and is such a frustrating topic. I cant believe that anyone with an ounce of intelligence would read that memo and come away thinking he was being bigoted or that he was wrong in any way shape or form.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 05/19/18 8:29:04 AM #111:	You guys really don't see how flawed your JP worship is when you simply disregard anyone who disagrees with him with "You simply don't understand what he is saying and you are lying about him" do you? Like, the ego that the lot of you have that people who disagree with you are somehow simply not understanding these "deep and complex points" that he makes is simply baffling to me. You guys need to learn to accept that no one person in the world has all the answers, and the desperate desire to cling to a father figure to make up for the flaws of your own isn't healthy. And yes, it's a sign of weakness. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:901618787] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>You guys really don't see how flawed your JP worship is when you simply disregard anyone who disagrees with him with "You simply don't understand what he is saying and you are lying about him" do you? Like, the ego that the lot of you have that people who disagree with you are somehow simply not understanding these "deep and complex points" that he makes is simply baffling to me. You guys need to learn to accept that no one person in the world has all the answers, and the desperate desire to cling to a father figure to make up for the flaws of your own isn't healthy. And yes, it's a sign of weakness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RockRapDubstep 05/19/18 8:49:34 AM #112:	Omega Hunter posted... cool aid You some kind of commie or something? "cook aid" what the hell? I thought this was America. --- God dan gets cold as difficult dick after 30 man hays or less. - pres_madagascar <cite>RockRapDubstep posted [p:901619197] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>cool aid</quote> You some kind of commie or something? "cook aid" what the hell? I thought this was America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/19/18 8:52:43 AM #113:	The Great Muta 22 posted... You guys really don't see how flawed your JP worship is when you simply disregard anyone who disagrees with him with "You simply don't understand what he is saying and you are lying about him" do you? Like, the ego that the lot of you have that people who disagree with you are somehow simply not understanding these "deep and complex points" that he makes is simply baffling to me. You guys need to learn to accept that no one person in the world has all the answers, and the desperate desire to cling to a father figure to make up for the flaws of your own isn't healthy. And yes, it's a sign of weakness. You need to learn how to read posts before responding to them. Lol seriously every single thing in this post is directly contradicting what was actually said. What a surprise that a JP hater resorts to strawman arguments and displays either horrendous reading comprehension or just complete apathy as to what was actually posted. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901619264] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote>You guys really don't see how flawed your JP worship is when you simply disregard anyone who disagrees with him with "You simply don't understand what he is saying and you are lying about him" do you? Like, the ego that the lot of you have that people who disagree with you are somehow simply not understanding these "deep and complex points" that he makes is simply baffling to me. You guys need to learn to accept that no one person in the world has all the answers, and the desperate desire to cling to a father figure to make up for the flaws of your own isn't healthy. And yes, it's a sign of weakness.</quote> You need to learn how to read posts before responding to them. Lol seriously every single thing in this post is directly contradicting what was actually said. What a surprise that a JP hater resorts to strawman arguments and displays either horrendous reading comprehension or just complete apathy as to what was actually posted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 05/19/18 9:17:06 AM #114:	nicklebro posted... You need to learn how to read posts before responding to them. Lol seriously every single thing in this post is directly contradicting what was actually said. I'll give you credit specifically for acknowledging that what he is saying may not actually be the stone cold truth, but that admission is a rarity among Peterson fanboys. All I am saying is that people questioning or poking legitimate holes in his arguments doesn't mean they don't understand what he is saying or that they haven't listened to him enough. That dismissal is ass backwards --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:901619922] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>You need to learn how to read posts before responding to them. Lol seriously every single thing in this post is directly contradicting what was actually said. </quote> I'll give you credit specifically for acknowledging that what he is saying may not actually be the stone cold truth, but that admission is a rarity among Peterson fanboys. All I am saying is that people questioning or poking legitimate holes in his arguments doesn't mean they don't understand what he is saying or that they haven't listened to him enough. That dismissal is ass backwards</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/19/18 9:20:36 AM #115:	FYI "liberal" and "staunch left winger" are mutually exclusive --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:901620005] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>FYI "liberal" and "staunch left winger" are mutually exclusive</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 05/19/18 9:23:23 AM #116:	It is absolutely fascinating to see how much Jordan Peterson triggers liberals in this topic. How can you get that angry over the guy, screaming about father figures and all this nonsense lol. --- https://imgur.com/plA0Vg9 http://i.minus.com/iluvk8aR4mzC8.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:901620065] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>It is absolutely fascinating to see how much Jordan Peterson triggers liberals in this topic. How can you get that angry over the guy, screaming about father figures and all this nonsense lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slip-N-Slide 05/19/18 9:26:13 AM #117:	BignutzisBack posted... It is absolutely fascinating to see how much Jordan Peterson triggers liberals in this topic. How can you get that angry over the guy, screaming about father figures and all this nonsense lol. I mean, I'm not even a liberal and like half of what he is is just a glorified self help guru. Shit just look at his book, that would've been sold on an infomercial a couple decades ago. And still nobody has responded to my valid criticisms of moronic things he's said. --- Get wet. http://i.imgtc.com/2q3z3TmhFO.jpg <cite>Slip-N-Slide posted [p:901620144] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>BignutzisBack posted...</cite> <quote>It is absolutely fascinating to see how much Jordan Peterson triggers liberals in this topic. How can you get that angry over the guy, screaming about father figures and all this nonsense lol.</quote> I mean, I'm not even a liberal and like half of what he is is just a glorified self help guru. Shit just look at his book, that would've been sold on an infomercial a couple decades ago. And still nobody has responded to my valid criticisms of moronic things he's said.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/19/18 9:26:34 AM #118:	The Great Muta 22 posted... nicklebro posted... You need to learn how to read posts before responding to them. Lol seriously every single thing in this post is directly contradicting what was actually said. I'll give you credit specifically for acknowledging that what he is saying may not actually be the stone cold truth, but that admission is a rarity among Peterson fanboys. All I am saying is that people questioning or poking legitimate holes in his arguments doesn't mean they don't understand what he is saying or that they haven't listened to him enough. That dismissal is ass backwards Well you're saying that for no reason because no one has made that argument. Idk if you noticed but I'm not the only JP fanboy who started off his post by saying he doesn't agree with everything JP says. So you say it's a rarity, but it's literally a100% rate ITT... Oh and btw even JP says that you should question everything g be says because when he's giving g lectures and speeches, often times hell be merely talking out loud and showing you where he is with his thought process on a certain subject. See he isn't bothered by people who think finding a single flaw in his arguments means that you should if kre everything he has to say because there's no reason to give that kinda logic any respect. And pointing out the fact that disagreeing with him doesn't mean that you don't understand him or haven't listened to him enough doesn't actually mean that you understand him or have listened to him enough. Like we've been saying there have been tons of sources and people completely mischsracterizing JP and his teachings, and your habit of coming up with straw man arguments and refusing to read posts before you respond to them makes it completely logical to suspect that your conclusion is based on incomplete and even biased information. I'd like to see what you actually disagree with. I haven't seen you refute a specific JP argument nor even refer to anything he's actually said. You just keep repeating "everything he says I either disagree with or find to be completely mindless information" --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901620153] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Great Muta 22 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>You need to learn how to read posts before responding to them. Lol seriously every single thing in this post is directly contradicting what was actually said. </quote> I'll give you credit specifically for acknowledging that what he is saying may not actually be the stone cold truth, but that admission is a rarity among Peterson fanboys. All I am saying is that people questioning or poking legitimate holes in his arguments doesn't mean they don't understand what he is saying or that they haven't listened to him enough. That dismissal is ass backwards</quote> Well you're saying that for no reason because no one has made that argument. Idk if you noticed but I'm not the only JP fanboy who started off his post by saying he doesn't agree with everything JP says. So you say it's a rarity, but it's literally a100% rate ITT... Oh and btw even JP says that you should question everything g be says because when he's giving g lectures and speeches, often times hell be merely talking out loud and showing you where he is with his thought process on a certain subject. See he isn't bothered by people who think finding a single flaw in his arguments means that you should if kre everything he has to say because there's no reason to give that kinda logic any respect. And pointing out the fact that disagreeing with him doesn't mean that you don't understand him or haven't listened to him enough doesn't actually mean that you understand him or have listened to him enough. Like we've been saying there have been tons of sources and people completely mischsracterizing JP and his teachings, and your habit of coming up with straw man arguments and refusing to read posts before you respond to them makes it completely logical to suspect that your conclusion is based on incomplete and even biased information. I'd like to see what you actually disagree with. I haven't seen you refute a specific JP argument nor even refer to anything he's actually said. You just keep repeating "everything he says I either disagree with or find to be completely mindless information"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/19/18 9:28:51 AM #119:	Slip-N-Slide posted... BignutzisBack posted... It is absolutely fascinating to see how much Jordan Peterson triggers liberals in this topic. How can you get that angry over the guy, screaming about father figures and all this nonsense lol. I mean, I'm not even a liberal and like half of what he is is just a glorified self help guru. Shit just look at his book, that would've been sold on an infomercial a couple decades ago. And still nobody has responded to my valid criticisms of moronic things he's said. He's an incredible self help guru because what he says actually works. See most self help books are full of nonsense, but you can't actually make that statement about any of JPs books. I doubt you've even read them anyways, so how can you criticize them? And what valid criticisms did you have? I missed those could you please repeat them? --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901620210] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Slip-N-Slide posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BignutzisBack posted...</cite> <quote>It is absolutely fascinating to see how much Jordan Peterson triggers liberals in this topic. How can you get that angry over the guy, screaming about father figures and all this nonsense lol.</quote> I mean, I'm not even a liberal and like half of what he is is just a glorified self help guru. Shit just look at his book, that would've been sold on an infomercial a couple decades ago. And still nobody has responded to my valid criticisms of moronic things he's said.</quote> He's an incredible self help guru because what he says actually works. See most self help books are full of nonsense, but you can't actually make that statement about any of JPs books. I doubt you've even read them anyways, so how can you criticize them? And what valid criticisms did you have? I missed those could you please repeat them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 05/19/18 9:28:56 AM #120:	Slip-N-Slide posted... BignutzisBack posted... It is absolutely fascinating to see how much Jordan Peterson triggers liberals in this topic. How can you get that angry over the guy, screaming about father figures and all this nonsense lol. I mean, I'm not even a liberal and like half of what he is is just a glorified self help guru. Shit just look at his book, that would've been sold on an infomercial a couple decades ago. And still nobody has responded to my valid criticisms of moronic things he's said. Oh yeah I don't doubt that some of the stuff he says is just wrong and there are certain views of his I don't agree with, but the posters who are trying to convince themselves that the only type of fans he has are beaten down beta males who never had a dad in their life are cracking me up. Like they can't even fathom the fact that some of his fans could be well-adjusted people who found a message or two of Peterson's that really resonated with them --- https://imgur.com/plA0Vg9 http://i.minus.com/iluvk8aR4mzC8.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:901620215] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Slip-N-Slide posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BignutzisBack posted...</cite> <quote>It is absolutely fascinating to see how much Jordan Peterson triggers liberals in this topic. How can you get that angry over the guy, screaming about father figures and all this nonsense lol.</quote> I mean, I'm not even a liberal and like half of what he is is just a glorified self help guru. Shit just look at his book, that would've been sold on an infomercial a couple decades ago. And still nobody has responded to my valid criticisms of moronic things he's said.</quote> Oh yeah I don't doubt that some of the stuff he says is just wrong and there are certain views of his I don't agree with, but the posters who are trying to convince themselves that the only type of fans he has are beaten down beta males who never had a dad in their life are cracking me up. Like they can't even fathom the fact that some of his fans could be well-adjusted people who found a message or two of Peterson's that really resonated with them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/19/18 9:29:44 AM #121:	BignutzisBack posted... Oh yeah I don't doubt that some of the stuff he says is just wrong and there are certain views of his I don't agree with, but the posters who are trying to convince themselves that the only type of fans he has are beaten down beta males who never had a dad in their life are cracking me up. Like they can't even fathom the fact that some of his fans could be well-adjusted people who found a message or two of Peterson's that really resonated with them Or that maybe they're wrong and he's right. It's as if that possibility was never even considered.... --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901620236] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>BignutzisBack posted...</cite> <quote> Oh yeah I don't doubt that some of the stuff he says is just wrong and there are certain views of his I don't agree with, but the posters who are trying to convince themselves that the only type of fans he has are beaten down beta males who never had a dad in their life are cracking me up. Like they can't even fathom the fact that some of his fans could be well-adjusted people who found a message or two of Peterson's that really resonated with them</quote> Or that maybe they're wrong and he's right. It's as if that possibility was never even considered....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/19/18 10:01:54 AM #122:	nicklebro posted... While I don't agree with everything he says (which even he says is a good thing, otherwise youre toeing the line of ideology which is the main issue he is battling against. Even moreso than freedom.of speech, he absolutely abhors any and all ideologies. A sure sign of someone peddling bullshit is when they claim to be non-ideological. An ideology is a worldview; everyone has one. Peterson's holds that we have strayed too far from the shared narratives and hierarchies that led to our success as a society, and that this is largely the fault of people he terms "postmodern neomarxists." It's an inherently reactionary ideology, in that it seeks to restore the world to a status quo ante that Peterson views as better than the present day. He's not going around spouting "Make America Great Again," but there's a reason those who do tend to be the ones who latch on to him. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:901621166] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>While I don't agree with everything he says (which even he says is a good thing, otherwise youre toeing the line of ideology which is the main issue he is battling against. Even moreso than freedom.of speech, he absolutely abhors any and all ideologies. </quote> A sure sign of someone peddling bullshit is when they claim to be non-ideological. An ideology is a worldview; everyone has one. Peterson's holds that we have strayed too far from the shared narratives and hierarchies that led to our success as a society, and that this is largely the fault of people he terms "postmodern neomarxists." It's an inherently reactionary ideology, in that it seeks to restore the world to a status quo ante that Peterson views as better than the present day. He's not going around spouting "Make America Great Again," but there's a reason those who do tend to be the ones who latch on to him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 05/19/18 10:26:55 AM #123:	It's important to actually watch his lectures and listen to the things Peterson says. Like this: https://twitter.com/zei_nabq/status/997575537089564672 --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:901621920] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>It's important to actually watch his lectures and listen to the things Peterson says. Like this: https://twitter.com/zei_nabq/status/997575537089564672</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 05/19/18 11:30:43 AM #124:	nicklebro posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... TheCyborgNinja posted... TheVipaGTS posted... When was it ever cool to like that idiot? Love him or hate him, he isn't wrong about freedom of speech issues. TheVipaGTS and the other people mindlessly bashing Jordan Peterson hate freedom of speech Usually then people that hate him we're introduced to him by far left wing/SJW sources that told them what to think about him. As opposed to people like me (and id assume you) who were introduced to him first hand and actually judge him and his words based on merit. While I don't agree with everything he says (which even he says is a good thing, otherwise youre toeing the line of ideology which is the main issue he is battling against. Even moreso than freedom.of speech, he absolutely abhors any and all ideologies. Now like I mentioned, I disagree with him in a few things which is healthy, but so far on this site anyways I haven't seen a single one of his detractors come up with a solid argument as to why this man isn't worth listening to. Lol hell some even fall for the nonsense that he's an alt righter. Tbh I don't see how you can definitively claim he's a right winger at all. In fact with how he defines the difference in temperaments between the average conservative brain and the average liberal mind, he labels his own temperament as being that of someone far more liberal than conservative, tho obviously that doesn't prove anything and he's infamously tight-lipped about where his personal politics lie on the political spectrum. What things do you disagree with him on? And I guess the question is for others who are a fan of Peterson. It seems to be that the majority of things against Peterson is deemed a hit piece. So what are your critisisms of him? What is not a hit piece? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.4 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:901624254] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted...</cite> <quote> <cite>TheVipaGTS posted...</cite> <quote> When was it ever cool to like that idiot? </quote> Love him or hate him, he isn't wrong about freedom of speech issues. </quote> TheVipaGTS and the other people mindlessly bashing Jordan Peterson hate freedom of speech </quote> Usually then people that hate him we're introduced to him by far left wing/SJW sources that told them what to think about him. As opposed to people like me (and id assume you) who were introduced to him first hand and actually judge him and his words based on merit. While I don't agree with everything he says (which even he says is a good thing, otherwise youre toeing the line of ideology which is the main issue he is battling against. Even moreso than freedom.of speech, he absolutely abhors any and all ideologies. Now like I mentioned, I disagree with him in a few things which is healthy, but so far on this site anyways I haven't seen a single one of his detractors come up with a solid argument as to why this man isn't worth listening to. Lol hell some even fall for the nonsense that he's an alt righter. Tbh I don't see how you can definitively claim he's a right winger at all. In fact with how he defines the difference in temperaments between the average conservative brain and the average liberal mind, he labels his own temperament as being that of someone far more liberal than conservative, tho obviously that doesn't prove anything and he's infamously tight-lipped about where his personal politics lie on the political spectrum.</quote> What things do you disagree with him on? And I guess the question is for others who are a fan of Peterson. It seems to be that the majority of things against Peterson is deemed a hit piece. So what are your critisisms of him? What is not a hit piece?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/19/18 11:52:55 AM #125:	What do you guys make of this critique? http://www.carlbeijer.com/2018/05/jordan-peterson-doesnt-understand-jungs.html --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:901625098] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>What do you guys make of this critique? http://www.carlbeijer.com/2018/05/jordan-peterson-doesnt-understand-jungs.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 05/19/18 11:56:58 AM #126:	Intro2Logic posted... It's important to actually watch his lectures and listen to the things Peterson says. To be fair it's hard to listen to him when he can never actually finish a thought and rambles on about bs before coming back to his point. Then there's the constantly changing definitions of words so he can "technically be correct because that's the best kind of correct" but it just leads to 'non-lobsters' wondering wtf people see in him. Then there's the appeal to authority fallacy that I swear most of his fans were the types to call people out on that sort of thing, yet Peterson is free from that complaint. --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:901625251] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>It's important to actually watch his lectures and listen to the things Peterson says.</quote> To be fair it's hard to listen to him when he can never actually finish a thought and rambles on about bs before coming back to his point. Then there's the constantly changing definitions of words so he can "technically be correct because that's the best kind of correct" but it just leads to 'non-lobsters' wondering wtf people see in him. Then there's the appeal to authority fallacy that I swear most of his fans were the types to call people out on that sort of thing, yet Peterson is free from that complaint.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/19/18 12:08:01 PM #127:	Lol https://twitter.com/sannewman/status/997561354956562434 --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:901625676] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>Lol https://twitter.com/sannewman/status/997561354956562434</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/19/18 12:19:51 PM #128:	Antifar posted... nicklebro posted... While I don't agree with everything he says (which even he says is a good thing, otherwise youre toeing the line of ideology which is the main issue he is battling against. Even moreso than freedom.of speech, he absolutely abhors any and all ideologies. A sure sign of someone peddling bullshit is when they claim to be non-ideological. An ideology is a worldview; everyone has one. Peterson's holds that we have strayed too far from the shared narratives and hierarchies that led to our success as a society, and that this is largely the fault of people he terms "postmodern neomarxists." It's an inherently reactionary ideology, in that it seeks to restore the world to a status quo ante that Peterson views as better than the present day. He's not going around spouting "Make America Great Again," but there's a reason those who do tend to be the ones who latch on to him. That's absurd. Ideologies are unchanging even in the face if contradictory evidence. A sure sign someone is peddling bullshit is when they have no idea what the words theyre using mean. Intro2Logic posted... It's important to actually watch his lectures and listen to the things Peterson says. Like this: https://twitter.com/zei_nabq/status/997575537089564672 I'd have to hear what he actually meant by that, but that's both something I disagree with him on and also something JP haters would latch onto and claim is a reason not to listen to anything he says. Tell me who do you actually Iisten to? Cuz I can guarantee every single person in the history of humanity has said something wrong before. emblem boy posted... What things do you disagree with him on? And I guess the question is for others who are a fan of Peterson. It seems to be that the majority of things against Peterson is deemed a hit piece. So what are your critisisms of him? What is not a hit piece? Well for example his views on religion. I get parts of what he says, like how religion is a distillation of how over the eons humanity has learned we should behave, but he seems to ignore the glaring faults in religion and actually call himself a Christian as opposed to just taking parts of Christianity that he finds truth in (like how he does with philosophers) Antifar posted... What do you guys make of this critique? http://www.carlbeijer.com/2018/05/jordan-peterson-doesnt-understand-jungs.html This is a perfect example of someone not understanding Peterson at all. He doesn't make any of the claims that he is accused of making. He said that men and women have far more in common than they do apart, and in fact has said the exact opposite, labeling gender a bimodal distribution which includes massive overlap. Also just because Jung says something doesn't mean Peterson agrees with it.... Like anyone who actually listens to JP instead of hit pieces against him will know, he doesn't claim any of the philosophers he's studied to be infallible, he draws from them what he finds truth in and discards the rest. This likely arose from someone reading a hit piece on JP and believing that he denies the validity of transgenderism. That's patently false. What he denies is that gender can include things that are neither make nor female, like otherkin. Which I'm hoping we all do. This is another perfect example of how people judge JP based on what others have said about him and not what he's said himself. The lie that he's a transphobe has led to plenty of false claims just like this one. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901626159] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote>While I don't agree with everything he says (which even he says is a good thing, otherwise youre toeing the line of ideology which is the main issue he is battling against. Even moreso than freedom.of speech, he absolutely abhors any and all ideologies. </quote> A sure sign of someone peddling bullshit is when they claim to be non-ideological. An ideology is a worldview; everyone has one. Peterson's holds that we have strayed too far from the shared narratives and hierarchies that led to our success as a society, and that this is largely the fault of people he terms "postmodern neomarxists." It's an inherently reactionary ideology, in that it seeks to restore the world to a status quo ante that Peterson views as better than the present day. He's not going around spouting "Make America Great Again," but there's a reason those who do tend to be the ones who latch on to him.</quote> That's absurd. Ideologies are unchanging even in the face if contradictory evidence. A sure sign someone is peddling bullshit is when they have no idea what the words theyre using mean. <cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>It's important to actually watch his lectures and listen to the things Peterson says. Like this: https://twitter.com/zei_nabq/status/997575537089564672</quote> I'd have to hear what he actually meant by that, but that's both something I disagree with him on and also something JP haters would latch onto and claim is a reason not to listen to anything he says. Tell me who do you actually Iisten to? Cuz I can guarantee every single person in the history of humanity has said something wrong before. <cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> What things do you disagree with him on? And I guess the question is for others who are a fan of Peterson. It seems to be that the majority of things against Peterson is deemed a hit piece. So what are your critisisms of him? What is not a hit piece?</quote> Well for example his views on religion. I get parts of what he says, like how religion is a distillation of how over the eons humanity has learned we should behave, but he seems to ignore the glaring faults in religion and actually call himself a Christian as opposed to just taking parts of Christianity that he finds truth in (like how he does with philosophers) <cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>What do you guys make of this critique? http://www.carlbeijer.com/2018/05/jordan-peterson-doesnt-understand-jungs.html</quote> This is a perfect example of someone not understanding Peterson at all. He doesn't make any of the claims that he is accused of making. He said that men and women have far more in common than they do apart, and in fact has said the exact opposite, labeling gender a bimodal distribution which includes massive overlap. Also just because Jung says something doesn't mean Peterson agrees with it.... Like anyone who actually listens to JP instead of hit pieces against him will know, he doesn't claim any of the philosophers he's studied to be infallible, he draws from them what he finds truth in and discards the rest. This likely arose from someone reading a hit piece on JP and believing that he denies the validity of transgenderism. That's patently false. What he denies is that gender can include things that are neither make nor female, like otherkin. Which I'm hoping we all do. This is another perfect example of how people judge JP based on what others have said about him and not what he's said himself. The lie that he's a transphobe has led to plenty of false claims just like this one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/19/18 12:25:58 PM #129:	Antifar posted... Lol https://twitter.com/sannewman/status/997561354956562434 Yes, using Disney movies everyone is familiar with and highlighting the underlying themes in the is a reason to laugh at him... I don't see how you could actually have watched his maps of meaning on the lion King or Pinocchio and claim that it wasn't very well done. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901626396] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Lol https://twitter.com/sannewman/status/997561354956562434</quote> Yes, using Disney movies everyone is familiar with and highlighting the underlying themes in the is a reason to laugh at him... I don't see how you could actually have watched his maps of meaning on the lion King or Pinocchio and claim that it wasn't very well done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 05/19/18 12:52:20 PM #130:	It is such a weak argument to find a statement here or there that seems silly or straight up wrong and then say based on that we can conclude he is an absolute idiot ans a charlatan, nothing he says has any value. Like seriously? What person exists walking this earth that has never said anything stupid or wrong. I consider myself extremely intelligent and I say stupid things from time to time. You people just have an unreasonable hatred of the man. FYI I disagree with most of what JP has to say on religion but I understand his points and find them reasonable. I still think he's brilliant. --- Living is naturally hell, you have to work to put a smile on. http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/7_ugmpjq.gif <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:901627445] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>It is such a weak argument to find a statement here or there that seems silly or straight up wrong and then say based on that we can conclude he is an absolute idiot ans a charlatan, nothing he says has any value. Like seriously? What person exists walking this earth that has never said anything stupid or wrong. I consider myself extremely intelligent and I say stupid things from time to time. You people just have an unreasonable hatred of the man. FYI I disagree with most of what JP has to say on religion but I understand his points and find them reasonable. I still think he's brilliant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/19/18 12:54:45 PM #131:	Omega Hunter posted... It is such a weak argument to find a statement here or there that seems silly or straight up wrong and then say based on that we can conclude he is an absolute idiot ans a charlatan, nothing he says has any value. Like seriously? What person exists walking this earth that has never said anything stupid or wrong. I consider myself extremely intelligent and I say stupid things from time to time. You people just have an unreasonable hatred of the man. FYI I disagree with most of what JP has to say on religion but I understand his points and find them reasonable. I still think he's brilliant. They don't care, they're not here to debate they're here to hate. Especially ideologues like antifar who defends Marxism and Communism which is why he hates JP so much. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901627537] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>It is such a weak argument to find a statement here or there that seems silly or straight up wrong and then say based on that we can conclude he is an absolute idiot ans a charlatan, nothing he says has any value. Like seriously? What person exists walking this earth that has never said anything stupid or wrong. I consider myself extremely intelligent and I say stupid things from time to time. You people just have an unreasonable hatred of the man. FYI I disagree with most of what JP has to say on religion but I understand his points and find them reasonable. I still think he's brilliant.</quote> They don't care, they're not here to debate they're here to hate. Especially ideologues like antifar who defends Marxism and Communism which is why he hates JP so much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 05/19/18 12:59:42 PM #132:	nicklebro posted... That's absurd. Ideologies are unchanging even in the face if contradictory evidence. Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married. He was angry at God because women were rejecting him, Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. The cure for that is enforced monogamy. Thats actually why monogamy emerges. Mr. Peterson does not pause when he says this. Enforced monogamy is, to him, simply a rational solution. Otherwise women will all only go for the most high-status men, he explains, and that couldnt make either gender happy in the end. Now, here's some contradictory evidence for what seems to be a pretty basic tenet of Peterson's shtick: https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/997484128667951104 The sexual revolution has not, in fact, increased the number of women going after the most high-status men. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:901627725] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>nicklebro posted...</cite> <quote> That's absurd. Ideologies are unchanging even in the face if contradictory evidence.</quote> <quote>Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married. He was angry at God because women were rejecting him, Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. The cure for that is enforced monogamy. Thats actually why monogamy emerges. Mr. Peterson does not pause when he says this. Enforced monogamy is, to him, simply a rational solution. Otherwise women will all only go for the most high-status men, he explains, and that couldnt make either gender happy in the end. </quote> Now, here's some contradictory evidence for what seems to be a pretty basic tenet of Peterson's shtick: https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/997484128667951104 The sexual revolution has not, in fact, increased the number of women going after the most high-status men.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 05/19/18 1:12:08 PM #133:	Antifar posted... Now, here's some contradictory evidence for what seems to be a pretty basic tenet of Peterson's shtick: https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/997484128667951104 The sexual revolution has not, in fact, increased the number of women going after the most high-status men. More women then ever are ending up single and not having a family, this is objective fact proven out in the data. The reason for this is most likely multi varied. However I have a lot of real life experience with women, and very many of them simply have standards that are unreasonably high. This too can be proven if you look at data off of dating websites. The average man does not have success on these sites, only the top 10-20 percent. The average woman however is very much sought after. Therefore even if you want to argue the sexual revolution hasn't changed the number of women seeking high class men, something existed before this revolution that made women settle for average men. Whatever that is doesnt exist anymore and it is making BOTH men and women unhappy. --- Living is naturally hell, you have to work to put a smile on. http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/7_ugmpjq.gif <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:901628309] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Now, here's some contradictory evidence for what seems to be a pretty basic tenet of Peterson's shtick: https://twitter.com/OsitaNwanevu/status/997484128667951104 The sexual revolution has not, in fact, increased the number of women going after the most high-status men.</quote> More women then ever are ending up single and not having a family, this is objective fact proven out in the data. The reason for this is most likely multi varied. However I have a lot of real life experience with women, and very many of them simply have standards that are unreasonably high. This too can be proven if you look at data off of dating websites. The average man does not have success on these sites, only the top 10-20 percent. The average woman however is very much sought after. Therefore even if you want to argue the sexual revolution hasn't changed the number of women seeking high class men, something existed before this revolution that made women settle for average men. Whatever that is doesnt exist anymore and it is making BOTH men and women unhappy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 05/19/18 1:17:13 PM #134:	http://blog.lareviewofbooks.org/essays/homer-hatred-jordan-petersons-mythology/ Pretty good critique of his overall methods IMO, though i think Shakespeare is irrelevant here. This is also a problem with Campbell and Jung, but they are more careful and thorough in their understanding of works myths. Peterson likes to talk about human universals in terms of mythological archetypes, but even similar myths aren't so easily reduced to chaos/order, make/female dyads and this fact undermines most of what he says about them. It really does seem like you need to start your own yt channel specifically debunking every JP video in existence before his defenders will consider your take on him worthwhile though --- It's one more thing we do to the poor, the deprived: cut out their tongues . . . allow them a language as lousy as their lives <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:901628552] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>http://blog.lareviewofbooks.org/essays/homer-hatred-jordan-petersons-mythology/ Pretty good critique of his overall methods IMO, though i think Shakespeare is irrelevant here. This is also a problem with Campbell and Jung, but they are more careful and thorough in their understanding of works myths. Peterson likes to talk about human universals in terms of mythological archetypes, but even similar myths aren't so easily reduced to chaos/order, make/female dyads and this fact undermines most of what he says about them. It really does seem like you need to start your own yt channel specifically debunking every JP video in existence before his defenders will consider your take on him worthwhile though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 05/19/18 1:18:20 PM #135:	I just don't understand how some of the biggest Jordan Peterson fans on CE strongly detest modern universities/academia/etc., but validate their love of him by the credentials that system awarded him. Before someone tries to reverse this, I do support Jordan Peterson on the topics he's actually done peer reviewed research in. I would never challenge his views on the relationship between alcohol and aggression. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:901628598] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>I just don't understand how some of the biggest Jordan Peterson fans on CE strongly detest modern universities/academia/etc., but validate their love of him by the credentials that system awarded him. Before someone tries to reverse this, I do support Jordan Peterson on the topics he's actually done peer reviewed research in. I would never challenge his views on the relationship between alcohol and aggression.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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8-bit_Biceps 05/19/18 3:04:40 PM #137:	I literally just posted this awesome, rational, beam of highly illuminating wisdom on my facebook: Why I will always love and hate Jordan Peterson: Hate: -Says anyone 'acting out' something is being religious. Wtf? -Says (before he said that^) that there would be no poetry or art without religion. Wtf? Love: -Said to look at what you don't want to look at (approach your fears) because that's the dragon with the gold and that's 'where all the information is.' Made me realize: Become the dragon yourself so no one looks at you and you can do what you want. <cite>8-bit_Biceps posted [p:901633384] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>I literally just posted this awesome, rational, beam of highly illuminating wisdom on my facebook: Why I will always love and hate Jordan Peterson: Hate: -Says anyone 'acting out' something is being religious. Wtf? -Says (before he said that^) that there would be no poetry or art without religion. Wtf? Love: -Said to look at what you don't want to look at (approach your fears) because that's the dragon with the gold and that's 'where all the information is.' Made me realize: Become the dragon yourself so no one looks at you and you can do what you want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 05/19/18 4:30:08 PM #138:	https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:901637027] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slip-N-Slide 05/19/18 4:31:50 PM #139:	Intro2Logic posted... https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on Fucking LMAO --- Get wet. http://i.imgtc.com/2q3z3TmhFO.jpg <cite>Slip-N-Slide posted [p:901637105] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on</quote> Fucking LMAO</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
prettyprincess 05/19/18 4:39:24 PM #140:	that is real bad --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:901637470] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>that is real bad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nicklebro 05/19/18 4:41:49 PM #141:	Intro2Logic posted... https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on Other than that hat idk what you're trying to say is wrong. As if JP is the first one to make the connection between brash bad boys getting more girls than beta males. --- Now you can't call me a sigless user. <cite>nicklebro posted [p:901637594] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on</quote> Other than that hat idk what you're trying to say is wrong. As if JP is the first one to make the connection between brash bad boys getting more girls than beta males.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 05/19/18 5:03:02 PM #142:	Intro2Logic posted... https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on lol --- Hey what's going on in this thread https://imgur.com/6fpKRW8 https://imgur.com/RNZi0gk <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:901638637] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on</quote> lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 05/19/18 6:05:56 PM #143:	Intro2Logic posted... https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on so... making snowballs is a masculine instinct. good to know, let's see what more wisdom he can come up with --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:901641245] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on</quote> so... making snowballs is a masculine instinct. good to know, let's see what more wisdom he can come up with</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Great Muta 22 05/19/18 6:21:01 PM #144:	Intro2Logic posted... https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on Who ever told him that look was good needs to be fired --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXezjbuzh14 <cite>The Great Muta 22 posted [p:901642034] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on</quote> Who ever told him that look was good needs to be fired</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 05/19/18 6:26:10 PM #145:	Intro2Logic posted... https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on Lmao. People actually listen this and think "Wow that makes sense" <cite>Axiom posted [p:901642257] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on</quote> Lmao. People actually listen this and think "Wow that makes sense"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hinakuluiau 05/19/18 6:47:26 PM #146:	Omega Hunter posted... I consider myself extremely intelligent and I say stupid things from time to time. You people just have an unreasonable hatred of the man. Case in point: you literally complained about Star Wars being "taken from you" because of Rey, i.e. girls can't enjoy Star Wars. --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD <cite>Hinakuluiau posted [p:901643231] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>I consider myself extremely intelligent and I say stupid things from time to time. You people just have an unreasonable hatred of the man. </quote> Case in point: you literally complained about Star Wars being "taken from you" because of Rey, i.e. girls can't enjoy Star Wars.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Omega Hunter 05/19/18 8:09:18 PM #147:	Axiom posted... Intro2Logic posted... https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on Lmao. People actually listen this and think "Wow that makes sense" Yes that made perfect sense because I remember being punished in school for throwing crayons at my friends. We thought it was great fun but the teacher told us we were a problem and a disruption. I thank God to this day I was never put on drugs to calm me ad it seems is increasingly the American way of treating boys for the medical problem of being boys. As an adult I can see it clear as day. Girls who are more naturally docile and agreeable are what is expected in the classroom. The result? 65% of college graduates are now female and the number is going up annually. Tell me leftists, when does this become a problem to address. When 75% of graduates are female, 85%, 95%? I remember growing up thinking that school was for girls, not boys, me and my group of male friends had this implicit understanding. We didn't get As we got Cs, girls got As because homework and sitting perfectly still for hours at a time and saying yes please Mrs. Teacher (all of my teachers prior to high school were female) was a thing girls always seemed to be better at then us. The things we were better at were looked down upon. I dont know how I was able to break out of this in High School, but I do remember my parents being genuinely surprised to find that I was actually better at school then my sister once I actually started taking it seriously. The truly sad thing is how many of the boys I grew up with who had so much potential that went nowhere and I know for many of them it started the day they became a problem to the teacher for throwing a snowball or a crayon. --- Living is naturally hell, you have to work to put a smile on. http://images.complex.com/complex/image/upload/7_ugmpjq.gif <cite>Omega Hunter posted [p:901647042] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Intro2Logic posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/classiclib3ral/status/997847661192663040 Come on</quote> Lmao. People actually listen this and think "Wow that makes sense"</quote> Yes that made perfect sense because I remember being punished in school for throwing crayons at my friends. We thought it was great fun but the teacher told us we were a problem and a disruption. I thank God to this day I was never put on drugs to calm me ad it seems is increasingly the American way of treating boys for the medical problem of being boys. As an adult I can see it clear as day. Girls who are more naturally docile and agreeable are what is expected in the classroom. The result? 65% of college graduates are now female and the number is going up annually. Tell me leftists, when does this become a problem to address. When 75% of graduates are female, 85%, 95%? I remember growing up thinking that school was for girls, not boys, me and my group of male friends had this implicit understanding. We didn't get As we got Cs, girls got As because homework and sitting perfectly still for hours at a time and saying yes please Mrs. Teacher (all of my teachers prior to high school were female) was a thing girls always seemed to be better at then us. The things we were better at were looked down upon. I dont know how I was able to break out of this in High School, but I do remember my parents being genuinely surprised to find that I was actually better at school then my sister once I actually started taking it seriously. The truly sad thing is how many of the boys I grew up with who had so much potential that went nowhere and I know for many of them it started the day they became a problem to the teacher for throwing a snowball or a crayon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clearaflagrantj 05/19/18 10:16:33 PM #148:	Omega Hunter posted... I remember growing up thinking that school was for girls, not boys, me and my group of male friends had this implicit understanding. We didn't get As we got Cs, girls got As because homework and sitting perfectly still for hours at a time and saying yes please Mrs. Teacher (all of my teachers prior to high school were female) was a thing girls always seemed to be better at then us. The things we were better at were looked down upon. I always felt like essays were biased towards girls, I could do well at math and science because it was understanding facts, english was writing some fluffy essay to impress a female teacher, could never do it. <cite>clearaflagrantj posted [p:901653049] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>I remember growing up thinking that school was for girls, not boys, me and my group of male friends had this implicit understanding. We didn't get As we got Cs, girls got As because homework and sitting perfectly still for hours at a time and saying yes please Mrs. Teacher (all of my teachers prior to high school were female) was a thing girls always seemed to be better at then us. The things we were better at were looked down upon. </quote> I always felt like essays were biased towards girls, I could do well at math and science because it was understanding facts, english was writing some fluffy essay to impress a female teacher, could never do it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Slip-N-Slide 05/19/18 10:30:13 PM #149:	Omega Hunter posted... I remember growing up thinking that school was for girls, not boys, me and my group of male friends had this implicit understanding. We didn't get As we got Cs Makes sense. --- Get wet. http://i.imgtc.com/2q3z3TmhFO.jpg <cite>Slip-N-Slide posted [p:901653675] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote><cite>Omega Hunter posted...</cite> <quote>I remember growing up thinking that school was for girls, not boys, me and my group of male friends had this implicit understanding. We didn't get As we got Cs</quote> Makes sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
marthsheretoo 05/19/18 10:37:18 PM #150:	That seems like a you problem, tbh When I was in middle school, I was hypercompetitive with like 4 other guys. We tried to get better grades than the rest in every other class. And we were standout students, above the girls easily. Getting bad grades and blaming it on school being for girls is refusing to take responsibility for your own attitude problems. --- "Even MarthKoopa has jumped on the MarthKoopa hate wagon." -DevsBro <cite>marthsheretoo posted [p:901654012] in Liking Jor... [t:76616511]...</cite> <quote>That seems like a you problem, tbh When I was in middle school, I was hypercompetitive with like 4 other guys. We tried to get better grades than the rest in every other class. And we were standout students, above the girls easily. Getting bad grades and blaming it on school being for girls is refusing to take responsibility for your own attitude problems.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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