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CyricZ
05/23/18 2:45:04 PM
#102:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
It's tradition and it's fine the way it is.

This is used to justify many practices.

As I alluded to earlier, the motivation for even having the anthem in place was to drum up recruitment in the military in wartime. The "tradition" was very political in nature as it was meant to help the war effort.

KamenRiderBlade posted...
Every citizen of their respective country should be Nationalistic about their country.

I'm sure North Korea heartily agrees. I can be quite sure of that because I'm aware of there being consequences otherwise.

Or to use a less drastic approach: it's my opinion that countries should act in a way that motivates their citizens to respect them, not have those in power demand that respect through ceremony.
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/23/18 2:45:49 PM
#103:


CyricZ posted...
Or to use a less drastic approach: it's my opinion that countries should act in a way that motivates their citizens to respect them, not have those in power demand that respect through ceremony.


Yup.
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KamenRiderBlade
05/23/18 2:46:59 PM
#104:


CyricZ posted...
Or to use a less drastic approach: it's my opinion that countries should act in a way that motivates their citizens to respect them, not have those in power demand that respect through ceremony.
Guess what, at most American Sports events and other's in non-Totalitarian countries; the VAST majority volunteer to stand up.

Most people have no issues with it because they respect their country.
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KamenRiderBlade
05/23/18 2:48:01 PM
#107:


CyricZ posted...
As I alluded to earlier, the motivation for even having the anthem in place was to drum up recruitment in the military in wartime. The "tradition" was very political in nature as it was meant to help the war effort.
And now it's just tradition for traditions sake.
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Bishop9800
05/23/18 2:48:14 PM
#108:


Dusk_ posted...
Good. Maybe if they were kneeling for a good cause things would be different.


And what make you think that it's not?
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/23/18 2:48:33 PM
#109:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
CyricZ posted...
As I alluded to earlier, the motivation for even having the anthem in place was to drum up recruitment in the military in wartime. The "tradition" was very political in nature as it was meant to help the war effort.
And now it's just tradition for traditions sake.


Tradition is a terrible reason to justify anything.
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FrisbeeDude
05/23/18 2:49:15 PM
#110:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
FrisbeeDude posted...
Honest question, how many people of color do you know personally? Like...to think minority sports involvement and social justice dont go hand in hand...its baffling in its ignorance
Probably about a dozen. Most of the minority involvement is to help the poor and give kids a focus to work towards in the future.

It's not there to push a certain "Political Agenda" the way SJW's / BLM does it.


Okay, Jason whitlock
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Howl
05/23/18 2:49:22 PM
#111:


This is the dumbest issue ever. I don't give a fuck either way about it.
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KamenRiderBlade
05/23/18 2:49:32 PM
#112:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Tradition is a terrible reason to justify anything.
As opposed to what?

Just changing things for the sake of change?
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Sayoria
05/23/18 2:49:47 PM
#113:


Bullet_Wing posted...
I never understood why this was such a big deal


Because Republicans are the snowflakes they claim everyone else is. Simple really.
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VectorChaos
05/23/18 2:50:44 PM
#114:


The Great Muta 22 posted...
VectorChaos posted...
Freedom of speech but not from consequences.

This is the world the regressive left wanted. Soak it in, you rubes.


So if you were against that mentality then surely you have an issue with this? Don't want to be a hypocrite


I do. But here we are regardless.

Don't act like you don't know exactly who wanted this.
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RchHomieQuanChi
05/23/18 2:50:55 PM
#115:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
RchHomieQuanChi posted...
Tradition is a terrible reason to justify anything.
As opposed to what?

Just changing things for the sake of change?


You know, there's more than two extremes here, right?
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ThePrinceFish
05/23/18 2:51:20 PM
#116:


Glad I can start watching the NFL again.
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MedzXVIII
05/23/18 2:51:52 PM
#117:


The NFL is 70% black. Very white
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KamenRiderBlade
05/23/18 2:52:24 PM
#119:


RchHomieQuanChi posted...
You know, there's more than two extremes here, right?
Yeah, and many people who watch the NFL don't care for the political meaning behind the actions Kaepernick and his fellow cohorts.

And it's hurting the NFL's bottom line.
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Capn Circus
05/23/18 2:52:26 PM
#120:


Sayoria posted...
lightwarrior78 posted...
I guess now the overpaid athletes will have to find a new way to address their issues, preferably one that actually does something other than piss people off.


It's kneeling. Before Kaepernick did it, no one gave a shit about the idea of "kneeling" .... so when the next form of protest happens, the NFL will have to simply keep changing their policy.

"No wearing this during the anthem."
"No looking away from the flag."
"No listening to music by Biggie when the Anthem is playing."
"No listening to ANYTHING when the Anthem is playing."
"No wearing pinky rings that say "Black Lives Matter" on them."
"No crossing your fingers during the anthem!"

Like, I can guarantee more forms of protest will occur.


They should just protest outside of work like normal people do.

Don't try to stir things up on company time.
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CyricZ
05/23/18 2:52:55 PM
#121:


KamenRiderBlade posted...
Most people have no issues with it because they respect their country.

Most people have no issues with it because it's a learned condition drummed into them.

I didn't have a problem with reciting the Pledge of Allegiance every morning because it was drummed into me as something I "had to do". Wasn't even until the end of elementary school that I learned there were people who took exception to that. Of course, those were for religious reasons that were drummed into them.

Point is, while tradition may promote community and local pride, doesn't mean it's self-justifying.
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ThePrinceFish
05/23/18 2:53:11 PM
#122:


Bullet_Wing posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Glad I can start watching the NFL again.

If this made you stop, you were never a fan.

Tell me more about how I feel about football. I love to learn about myself from some fruit online.
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KamenRiderBlade
05/23/18 2:54:34 PM
#123:


CyricZ posted...
Most people have no issues with it because it's a learned condition drummed into them.

I didn't have a problem with reciting the Pledge of Allegiance every morning because it was drummed into me as something I "had to do". Wasn't even until the end of elementary school that I learned there were people who took exception to that. Of course, those were for religious reasons that were drummed into them.

Point is, while tradition may promote community and local pride, doesn't mean it's self-justifying.
And I do the "Pledge of Allegiance" at events because I want to, not because of conditioning.
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JfAtS1O3N
05/23/18 2:54:57 PM
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If libs are pissed off about the NFL doing this, do what the conservatives did: stop watching.
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CyricZ
05/23/18 2:57:11 PM
#127:


Football can go hang for all I care. I'm just caring about the freedoms of the American worker and the worrying precedent of enforced patriotism.
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HBOSS
05/23/18 2:57:39 PM
#128:


any word yet on the actions the nfl players association?

Will they fight this?
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ThePrinceFish
05/23/18 2:58:09 PM
#129:


CyricZ posted...
Football can go hang for all I care. I'm just caring about the freedoms of the American worker and the worrying precedent of enforced patriotism.

The freedoms of the American worker do not include activism during your job.
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creativerealms
05/23/18 2:59:13 PM
#130:


Bullet_Wing posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Glad I can start watching the NFL again.

If this made you stop, you were never a fan.

Tell me more about how I feel about football. I love to learn about myself from some fruit online.

So you stopped watching the entire sport simply because of a tiny blip lasting less than a couple minutes? I sure hope you aren't in those topics making fun of snowflake SJWs...

I hope now you learned that people like him are even worse snowflakes then SJWs. Everything offends them even something as inoffensive as kneeling during the anthem.
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NinjaBreakfast
05/23/18 2:59:31 PM
#131:


this is honestly one of the most pathetic things i have ever seen
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NinjaBreakfast
05/23/18 2:59:45 PM
#132:


all the 'muh freeze peach!!!' guys are pathetic for supporting this
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voldothegr8
05/23/18 2:59:54 PM
#133:


HBOSS posted...
any word yet on the actions the nfl players association?

Will they fight this?

The NFL chose to not consult the union in the development of this new "policy." NFL players have shown their patriotism through their social activism, their community service, in support of our military and law enforcement and yes, through their protests to raise awareness about the issues they care about.

The vote by NFL club CEOs today contradicts the statements made to our player leadership by Commissioner Roger Goodell and the Chairman of the NFL's Management Council John Mara about the principles, values and patriotism of our League.

Our union will review the new "policy" and challenge any aspect of it that is inconsistent with the collective bargaining agreement.

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hockeybub89
05/23/18 3:00:04 PM
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GiftedACIII
05/23/18 3:00:29 PM
#135:


So the official pastime of America is officially anti-freedom, hilarious.
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ThePrinceFish
05/23/18 3:00:31 PM
#136:


NinjaBreakfast posted...
all the 'muh freeze peach!!!' guys are pathetic for supporting this

At least you've made it clear that you don't understand the First Amendment. Thanks for playing.
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NinjaBreakfast
05/23/18 3:00:36 PM
#137:


wild how americans want to literally fuck their flag and anthem
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KingCrabCake
05/23/18 3:00:53 PM
#138:


Fair
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Intro2Logic
05/23/18 3:01:13 PM
#139:


America's bosses pose a bigger threat to freedom of speech than any college student
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Bishop9800
05/23/18 3:01:15 PM
#140:


hockeybub89 posted...
Gotta keep that DoD money flowing


This
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Sayoria
05/23/18 3:01:18 PM
#141:


Capn Circus posted...
Sayoria posted...
lightwarrior78 posted...
I guess now the overpaid athletes will have to find a new way to address their issues, preferably one that actually does something other than piss people off.


It's kneeling. Before Kaepernick did it, no one gave a shit about the idea of "kneeling" .... so when the next form of protest happens, the NFL will have to simply keep changing their policy.

"No wearing this during the anthem."
"No looking away from the flag."
"No listening to music by Biggie when the Anthem is playing."
"No listening to ANYTHING when the Anthem is playing."
"No wearing pinky rings that say "Black Lives Matter" on them."
"No crossing your fingers during the anthem!"

Like, I can guarantee more forms of protest will occur.


They should just protest outside of work like normal people do.

Don't try to stir things up on company time.


The thing is though, if I went to work this Saturday and my boss told me I had to stand for the National Anthem before every work day, I'd laugh and not do it and just do my work. There's really no reason to enforce it.This isn't a thing about kneeling. The reason it bothers me so much is that there is a precedent that really reflects this, and that is WVBoE VS Barnette. Sure, it's not the same, but you cannot simply force someone to stand up or against values they don't believe in or stand for. This is why I am on the side of the baker with the gay cake. He offered them options and they had many. Here, it's like a gun being held to one's head. It isn't a kneeling thing. I am worried just how far something like this would go.
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KingCrabCake
05/23/18 3:01:57 PM
#142:


So many posters dont understand the 1st amendment. Lmao and they prolly voted too smh
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ThePrinceFish
05/23/18 3:02:08 PM
#143:


Sayoria posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Sayoria posted...
lightwarrior78 posted...
I guess now the overpaid athletes will have to find a new way to address their issues, preferably one that actually does something other than piss people off.


It's kneeling. Before Kaepernick did it, no one gave a shit about the idea of "kneeling" .... so when the next form of protest happens, the NFL will have to simply keep changing their policy.

"No wearing this during the anthem."
"No looking away from the flag."
"No listening to music by Biggie when the Anthem is playing."
"No listening to ANYTHING when the Anthem is playing."
"No wearing pinky rings that say "Black Lives Matter" on them."
"No crossing your fingers during the anthem!"

Like, I can guarantee more forms of protest will occur.


They should just protest outside of work like normal people do.

Don't try to stir things up on company time.


The thing is though, if I went to work this Saturday and my boss told me I had to stand for the National Anthem before every work day, I'd laugh and not do it and just do my work. There's really no reason to enforce it.This isn't a thing about kneeling. The reason it bothers me so much is that there is a precedent that really reflects this, and that is WVBoE VS Barnette. Sure, it's not the same, but you cannot simply force someone to stand up or against values they don't believe in or stand for. This is why I am on the side of the baker with the gay cake. He offered them options and they had many. Here, it's like a gun being held to one's head. It isn't a kneeling thing. I am worried just how far something like this would go.

And they have the option to stay in the locker room until the anthem is over. This enforced patriotism nonsense is hilarious. Cry me a fucking river.
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muchdran
05/23/18 3:02:10 PM
#144:


CommonStar posted...
The CEOs made this decision without talking with the player union. I'd like to imagine that a majority of the minority players would boycott this, but they probably won't.

Colin Kaepernick told them not to trust the NFL management.

With this new rule, is there any reason they won't employ Colin Kaepernick and Eric Reid?

Yeah Kaepernick sucks
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KamenRiderBlade
05/23/18 3:02:13 PM
#145:


NinjaBreakfast posted...
wild how americans want to literally fuck their flag and anthem
Only the Leftists.
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Caution999
05/23/18 3:02:19 PM
#146:


The majority of NFL fans don't want to see them kneeling for the anthem. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the NFL doesn't want to scare away their hardcore fanbase, here.
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MedzXVIII
05/23/18 3:02:38 PM
#147:


Caution999 posted...
The majority of NFL fans don't want to see them kneeling for the anthem. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the NFL doesn't want to scare away their hardcore fanbase, here.

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Bishop9800
05/23/18 3:02:43 PM
#148:


KingCrabCake posted...
So many posters dont understand the 1st amendment. Lmao and they prolly voted too smh


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hockeybub89
05/23/18 3:03:08 PM
#149:


KingCrabCake posted...
Fair

A few years ago, they didn't even televise the anthem. The media loves to create controversy and the NFL doesn't give a rat's ass about respecting muh country. They just don't want to lose their government money. That propaganda machine pays well.
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Sayoria
05/23/18 3:04:10 PM
#150:


ThePrinceFish posted...
Sayoria posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Sayoria posted...
lightwarrior78 posted...
I guess now the overpaid athletes will have to find a new way to address their issues, preferably one that actually does something other than piss people off.


It's kneeling. Before Kaepernick did it, no one gave a shit about the idea of "kneeling" .... so when the next form of protest happens, the NFL will have to simply keep changing their policy.

"No wearing this during the anthem."
"No looking away from the flag."
"No listening to music by Biggie when the Anthem is playing."
"No listening to ANYTHING when the Anthem is playing."
"No wearing pinky rings that say "Black Lives Matter" on them."
"No crossing your fingers during the anthem!"

Like, I can guarantee more forms of protest will occur.


They should just protest outside of work like normal people do.

Don't try to stir things up on company time.


The thing is though, if I went to work this Saturday and my boss told me I had to stand for the National Anthem before every work day, I'd laugh and not do it and just do my work. There's really no reason to enforce it.This isn't a thing about kneeling. The reason it bothers me so much is that there is a precedent that really reflects this, and that is WVBoE VS Barnette. Sure, it's not the same, but you cannot simply force someone to stand up or against values they don't believe in or stand for. This is why I am on the side of the baker with the gay cake. He offered them options and they had many. Here, it's like a gun being held to one's head. It isn't a kneeling thing. I am worried just how far something like this would go.

And they have the option to stay in the locker room until the anthem is over. This enforced patriotism nonsense is hilarious. Cry me a fucking river.


And I hope they do. If I was a player, I would. Even if I was still standing for the Anthem, this ruling would flip me over.
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NinjaBreakfast
05/23/18 3:04:23 PM
#151:


*person suffers consequences in private capacity from overt racism*

"b-b-b-buh muh freeze peach ;_;"

*NFL bans kneeling because americans want to fuck a flag*

"lol what's wrong kiddo, don't understand the first amendment?"

hey, I'm laughing here
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ThePrinceFish
05/23/18 3:04:41 PM
#152:


Sayoria posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
Sayoria posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Sayoria posted...
lightwarrior78 posted...
I guess now the overpaid athletes will have to find a new way to address their issues, preferably one that actually does something other than piss people off.


It's kneeling. Before Kaepernick did it, no one gave a shit about the idea of "kneeling" .... so when the next form of protest happens, the NFL will have to simply keep changing their policy.

"No wearing this during the anthem."
"No looking away from the flag."
"No listening to music by Biggie when the Anthem is playing."
"No listening to ANYTHING when the Anthem is playing."
"No wearing pinky rings that say "Black Lives Matter" on them."
"No crossing your fingers during the anthem!"

Like, I can guarantee more forms of protest will occur.


They should just protest outside of work like normal people do.

Don't try to stir things up on company time.


The thing is though, if I went to work this Saturday and my boss told me I had to stand for the National Anthem before every work day, I'd laugh and not do it and just do my work. There's really no reason to enforce it.This isn't a thing about kneeling. The reason it bothers me so much is that there is a precedent that really reflects this, and that is WVBoE VS Barnette. Sure, it's not the same, but you cannot simply force someone to stand up or against values they don't believe in or stand for. This is why I am on the side of the baker with the gay cake. He offered them options and they had many. Here, it's like a gun being held to one's head. It isn't a kneeling thing. I am worried just how far something like this would go.

And they have the option to stay in the locker room until the anthem is over. This enforced patriotism nonsense is hilarious. Cry me a fucking river.


And I hope they do. If I was a player, I would. Even if I was still standing for the Anthem, this ruling would flip me over.

Congratulations to you. You're not and you don't matter. The vast majority of players will come out to stand for the anthem and life will move on.
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Capn Circus
05/23/18 3:04:43 PM
#153:


Sayoria posted...
Capn Circus posted...
Sayoria posted...
lightwarrior78 posted...
I guess now the overpaid athletes will have to find a new way to address their issues, preferably one that actually does something other than piss people off.


It's kneeling. Before Kaepernick did it, no one gave a shit about the idea of "kneeling" .... so when the next form of protest happens, the NFL will have to simply keep changing their policy.

"No wearing this during the anthem."
"No looking away from the flag."
"No listening to music by Biggie when the Anthem is playing."
"No listening to ANYTHING when the Anthem is playing."
"No wearing pinky rings that say "Black Lives Matter" on them."
"No crossing your fingers during the anthem!"

Like, I can guarantee more forms of protest will occur.


They should just protest outside of work like normal people do.

Don't try to stir things up on company time.


The thing is though, if I went to work this Saturday and my boss told me I had to stand for the National Anthem before every work day, I'd laugh and not do it and just do my work. There's really no reason to enforce it.This isn't a thing about kneeling. The reason it bothers me so much is that there is a precedent that really reflects this, and that is WVBoE VS Barnette. Sure, it's not the same, but you cannot simply force someone to stand up or against values they don't believe in or stand for. This is why I am on the side of the baker with the gay cake. He offered them options and they had many. Here, it's like a gun being held to one's head. It isn't a kneeling thing. I am worried just how far something like this would go.


They're letting them stay in the locker rooms if they don't want to stand
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