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Maybe they will give us free health care then. Friend of Mets Fan Syndrome they'll call it.
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I think it would be helpful if we could stick to an issue long enough to get resolution. So many scandals fall by the wayside simply because the collective attention turns to the newest thing at the exclusion of everything else.

There should be more than 1 important issue at a time.

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But by that same token there are simply too many things happening in the world to give adequate attention to literally everything.
Especially since i feel like the average American has less room in their attention span for multiple issues as compared to those of us who care about what's happening in politics.

In short, its not a problem i see an easy solution to.
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I just assumed they hosted yet another home run derby in the middle of their game tonight.
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Giants aren't making any moves.

We're back to .500 (again) today. We seem to have resigned ourselves to the 81-81 finish that we are still on pace for.
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New topic-

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/76854116
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Someone replied:

Use strength on the truck to find your 151st point.

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You put me against a brand new Hearthstone player (with access to all the cards) and i will beat them 9 times out of 10 because i have have more knowledge(skill) than them at hearthstone. This is not debatable.

On the flip side you finish around rank 5 each month having reasonably consistent win rates against the similarly skilled people it matches you against, all this in spite of what you claim to be absurd variance in draw rng and other random effects.

So in my scenario skill will dictate a 90/10 advantage no matter what.

In your scenario complete rng fuckery has resulted in a near 50% winrate.

So tell me again which one is more important.

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Skill is knowing which cards to play in your turn based on the ones currently in your hand.

Skill is knowing which cards to hold onto based on the matchup.

Skill is knowing which cards you are more likely to draw into and planning accordingly.

Skill is building the deck in such a way that minimizes your chance of having something impactful to do.

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At a high level Hearthstone is not as simple as "play 2 on 2 then 3 on 3 then 4..." or playing your best cards as soon as they turn green.

There was a priest vs token druid game in HGG that showcased how important it can be to play the matchup correctly. The priest identified by turn 7 that their win condition was going to be to clear boards with wild pyro clears and other small aoes and to play to win in fatigue. By doing this they held onto their they psychic scream instead of using it when the opportunity presented itself so they could maintain their fatigue advantage.

This is an example where skill mattered and their draw order after turn 9 or so was irrelevant to their game plan.
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50.01%
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No one is saying that luck doesn't matter at all.

Not one person is saying that.

But skill *also* matters.
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I feel like I still don't fundamentally understand why rural/farming america skews so heavily republican.

I mean the bible belt I can see, but it's still indicative of people who can't separate their personal beliefs from the political discussion and what's best for everyone regardless of religion.

But what is with the animosity towards funding social programs, or the concept that we should be helping out our fellow man?

idk :/
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Extra, so you know it lasts.
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I have 1 and a half sticks of mostly unchewed gum and a yellow starburst. Deal?
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I found myself with spare time today so I hit rank 5 with egg hunter.

Came a game from rank 4, but then I had a skid of absurd matches to go back down to the beginning of rank 5, but oh well.
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Has wigs seen that cespedes is on the dl now too?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

7 Keysmiths in a row have failed to offer Counterspell.

Skill based game though guys. I will never, ever be wrong about Hearthstone being 100% randomized trash.

Then take out keysmith and put in counterspell if you want it so often.
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I think I would say that S2 is the best season.

But S3 has some of the best episodes, specifically Remedial Chaos Theory.
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Corrik posted...

Literally no drawback and how the hell would scum not know the alignment of town. You are basically arguing the host set scum up without any possibility to fakeclaim.

You aren't listening.

I understand that scum could (and should) know the "TINYTOON" flavor.

BUT I don't see scum Tony using that IN THAT SITUATION to make that remark. The claim came with less than 3 minutes left in the day, and let's not forget that Tony wasn't even on the 5tar lynch, he was on Ashe. If he wanted to "seal the deal" as you put it, he would have just followed up the remark with a vote.

I'm not saying it was a conclusively town thing to have said.
But it was not a thing he would have said as scum, and thus he is town. At least that's my take.
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Also I'm still not ready to give up on a Zam lynch.

Why is everyone so dead set on giving him a pass to do the terrible crap that he does?

And maybe I simply can't tell "does stupid things as town" zam from "does stupid things because he is scum" zam, but the fact remains that zam does stupid shit and he does things that no town should ever do and his words and actions do NOT convey a town perspective.

And yes, maybe that is him, as town, playing mafia badly.

But so? If he is going to do things that no town should ever do, then I am going to lynch him and say "you just did something that no town should ever do". And if he doesn't wan't to get lynched then he'll fucking improve and we wont have to play with a Farmer With A Shotgun power level mafia player.

He does things with no purpose.
He lies about things for no reason.

If you want me to think you are town then you need to NOT do those things and demonstrate an ability to play above a first grade level. You don't get to just do those things and say "well hey, it's what I do".

BUT I don't want this entire day to be about that, I just want my feelings on Zam to be properly noted and I will be putting time into looking at other things.

And I haven't put any serious walls up yet because dinner and youtube distractions. I'm just glad I left work before midnight tonight. It was only slightly terrible at work instead of worst day ever status like it's been the previous two nights.
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MZero11 posted...

Idk it seems like a scummy thing to do to try and lynch someone on that. It's not unusual to claim TOWN instead of whatever the flavor name for the faction is because it's the default. It's a big reach and actually you bringing this up makes me like it less!

Also scum can have the host write flavor for fakeclaims so it wouldn't be surprising if they knew the faction name

red13n posted...

For the record, if anyone ever tried to lynch me on naming convention I'd tell you that you were an idiot because I was will always refer to factions as town/scum or some close common variation thereof.

I understand that it's perfectly normal to just say town no matter what the flavor title is. And I agree.

And I understand that scum could have sussed out the town flavor-name.

But I do not think that Scum Tony gets that knowledge and uses it to cement a 5tar lynch at the very end of the day like that. In the situation as it occurred I don't see him making that remark.
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The only other explanation is that a Scum Tony was savvy enough to use the naming convention against 5tar with scant minutes left in the day to seal a mislynch?

I just don't see it that way. But again it's my understanding that this issue hadn't really come up yet at this point. So if there was a detailed conversation about it that I missed then that could change how I feel about it.
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Before I begin to build my walls I wanted to address these posts that caught my eye whilst I skimmed:

Corrik posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

5tarscream posted...

Im Elmira Duff. Town hugger

TOWN?

BZZZZZTTT

Also...this post struck me as scummy as well.

Corrik posted...

DoomTheGyarados posted...

I just think he is pissed off at Alakazam still a bit. Sorry FD not trying to be a jerk and dismiss you but Alakazam is pretty infuriating.

Also is it classic scum moves to go "BZZZT" now? I'd say lean town on that post in a vacuum.

At the very deadline after someone claims a town power making a post to try and seal the lynch? Yeah, I don't buy that.

I feel like people are not understanding the initial post from Tony here. I mean tony has not himself posted to clarify, but MY understanding of his post was the emphasis on the word "Town".

As in "Town" and not "Tinytoon".

5tar was a TINYTOON Hugger (prosty)
Plum was a TINYTOON Dizzy (scrambler)

Neither of them were TOWN anything. And I think that is what Tony was keying in on and that he was under the impression that 5tar made a scumslip by faking to be "TOWN" when there is in fact no "TOWN".

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Now it is possible that the writeups to scum were very specific about targeting and hunting TINYTOONS and that a Scum Tony would have known that there was a different naming convention at play... But off the cuff like that, and in the moment on day 1, I can't see that being the case. Even if a Scum Tony knew about the naming convention I'm not sure he would have used that to cement a day 1 lynch with time winding down such as it was.

And so while Tony was flufftastic day 1, I still can't see that interaction as anything other than a TINYTOON Tony knowing that he was a TINYTOON and wondering why 5tar was claiming TOWN. Because unless I missed it, that was really the first interaction that really addressed the TOWN/TINYTOON naming dynamic.
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Well we know chris isn't a mafia aligned assassin at least.

Because there aren't any dead scum yet :/
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Austin Barnes nailed by 48 mph pitch.

RIP
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Maybe Medivh?
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Yogg?
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Still not enough to beat out Kuiper and Krukow :)
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Tom Bombadil posted...

Wow

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Alakazamtrainer posted...

Both times you've been mentioned and active questions you show up. Coincidence I think not

"Both" times? Are you even going to pretend to read the game.

I was mentioned several times before my first post. First showing up on red's "done shit" list.

And then yesterday i made a post before work checking in and saying id put in work after i was home from work.

I didn't make that post because id previously been mentioned because at that point i didn't even know for certain that i had (i wouldn't have been surprised since i didn't post in the first 24 hours). I made that post to let y'all know when you could expect content from me.

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And then you started to call me out for my "inactivity" 5 hours after i left for bed. You mentioned my absence several times before i posted again. And yes you coincidentally mentioned it again as i was drafting a post. But you'll note that post occurs at a similar time range to my before work post yesterday.

So yeah "both" times my ass. You are working really hard to make my availability fit some sort of narrative that justifies your countervote.

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Shift is starting now, feel free to vote zam.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

re-cap.

Zam: Claim or die corrik.

Also Zam: Wait wait wait, THREE votes? Unvote Corrik!

Also Also Zam: Hey, I always vote corrik day 1, it's what i'm known for!

Also Also Also Zam: I mean, my corrik joke was clearly a joke, just to see how he'd react. Nevermind the fact that I unvoted him hours before he was even back to react to it.

Also Also Also ALSO Zam: Zach told Corrik to Claim or Die?! WTF IS THIS!?

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Your "Wow" emote has fireworks!

Feed it more to level up your fireworks.

I think you get max fireworks after 60? Just takes a few tavern brawls to reach.
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Alakazamtrainer posted...

Scummoning happen twice is.... concerning

Care to explain what this even means?

Because you said I was scummoned last night too, which is a completely bonkers take on reality. You justified it by the fact that I respond to a chris post while I was going through the topic. I still can't even understand how you got from A to B there.

Like it seems to be "The fact that FD responded to a chris post while he was catching up implies that FD has been staying current on the game the entire time" implying that even since the beginning of the day I was...choosing not to post?

And then I chose to get home almost 3 hours later than I said I would before starting my recap?

Is that about right?
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red13n posted...

oh hi FD.

Hi red!

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Bye red!

I'm eating and changing for work now. If I actually have a full crew tonight (doubtful) I'll keep my phone handy, otherwise good luck and kill scum pls
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Nanahara715 posted...

FD didn't post much in PW mafia.

Because the days kept ending in only 24 hours. It was bullshit :/

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Also before someone says "scummoned" I started working on that post more than 11 minutes ago. -_-
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Well I didn't get nearly as much sleep as I'd have liked, but alas.

Not a huge fan of the lack of Zam votes. Maybe I need to re-cap.

Zam: Claim or die corrik.

Also Zam: Wait wait wait, THREE votes? Unvote Corrik!

Also Also Zam: Hey, I always vote corrik day 1, it's what i'm known for!

Also Also Also Zam: I mean, my corrik joke was clearly a joke, just to see how he'd react. Nevermind the fact that I unvoted him hours before he was even back to react to it.

Also Also Also ALSO Zam: Zach told Corrik to Claim or Die?! WTF IS THIS!?

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And this is all from my recap of stuff before I showed up.

Since then he has had the gall to say that all I did was show up, point a finger at him, and suspiciously vanish. And yes my walls had more Zam responses than other responses, but that's because Zam has said proportionally more ridiculous crap that more than merited it.

And then countervoting me and trying to say it was something other than a countervote.

Here was his off the cuff response before he doubled down with a countervote:

Alakazamtrainer posted...[D1, T1, P458]

Cute

However, and I understand work does happen, but that seemed a little to focused on one person, and then voting on said fixation instead of looking at eveyone... for shame.

And for the record of Corrik had a dollar everytime someone told him Claim or die, he'd be rich. I did it more as a joke, where as Zachs can be construed as a treat.

Tldr: FD is fixated on me, and not looking at anyone else, and water is wet

I think it's reasonable to say that I covered a pretty wide range of topics in my catchup walls, so I can't agree with the idea that I was "fixated" on zam alone.

I also don't see how Zam was clearly joking and Zach was clearly not. If anything Zach's was the more clear joke because Zach was already on-record today saying "don't ask people to claim day 1 that's idiotic". And so to go from that to claim or die is a much more clear joke than whatever it was Zam was doing with his.

Also water is not and cannot be wet. You simply do know know what wetness is if you continue to say otherwise.

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But he goes from that to:

That I'm hungry.

I think the lack of talking is hurting, on that note I think FD, showed pointed a figure at me, which is an easy target, then left and hasn't returned yet, looks really bad.... he did all that start up work for nothing. I think corrik is town by him scum hunting same with you, red I'm unsure of. And everyone else I'm still neutral.

Consider this as a vote, and not contervote, for FD as he needs to do more then point a figure at someone then leave.

This was 5 hours after I left as though I didn't clearly say that I was staying up late to reply and even ended by saying "good night".

Zam is not playing like a town person.

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But to give a brief comment on Tony before I get ready for work (ugh) I would say that I have to retract saying he was in the group I felt good about last night.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

At a glance at the player list I'd say i like what i've seen from Tony, PJ and Blade.

Maybe I was just too pleased with the fluff that he was saying that I didn't recognize it for what it was, But the iso from Ashe on page 3 is actually pretty convincing. That's a whole lot of nothing in those 21 posts.
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I can't wait!
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Okay so it's been a refreshingly tame day 1. Some have said less than I'd like, but this is a good starting point and there is a veritable trove of interactions to examine in new light once some corpses start getting identified.

And maybe it's just because is he oh so bad at this game, but after reading all that I can't help but feel like zam is scum. I've covered it in depths already, but the initial vote, the scared backpedal, the justification of the vote, the new justification of the vote, the reaction to Zach saying literally the same thing he said earlier. None of it sits right.

##Vote: AlakazamTrainer

I'm keeping my vote on you until we are much closer than -6. I might even keep it on you until -0 and ride this train until the end of the line. I believe you are scum. And this is not just because I voted you day 1 in PW. And this is not a joke. Claim and Die.

At a glance at the player list I'd say i like what i've seen from Tony, PJ and Blade. And in addition to Zam I don't like what i've observed from Red and Ashe. None of those reads are felt with nearly the level of conviction as that of Zam though.

Good night. I'll try to be on before work in the afternoon.
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

It was at the end of Post 341

Correction. 349 was the zam post.
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Alakazamtrainer posted...[D1, T1, P359]

ColZach posted...

Alakazamtrainer posted...

ColZach posted...

Because claiming day 1 is stupid and not intuitive to town in any capacity. BEWARE of people trying to get you to claim day 1 as they are either probably very misled town or scum.

But Zach that's exactly what you wanted Corrik to do. How is that any different?

No, I didnt want him to do it, thats just his norm

Your exact words were "Claim or die"

WHAT IS HAPPENING?

THOSE WERE *YOUR* EXACT WORDS.

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ColZach posted...[D1, T1, P361]

Alakazam Im not surprised you didnt pick up that wasnt serious

I was making fun of him for always saying that

And now Zach is agreeing?? What??

Did I miss a zach post where he *ALSO* said that?

Oh okay, I found it. It was at the end of Post 349, which was just 8 posts before Zam called him out for it. Despite Zam doing literally exactly that on page 2.

That helps at the tiniest amount of perspective, but it's still incredibly disengenious of Zam to lead the charge against.

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And with no other posts of note, that brings me to current! One final post incoming with reflective thoughts. The walls are over and yet The Wall is scarcely half done. I'll leave the Floyd on while I get a wrap up post together I think. It's made for a lovely bookend to a crappy day.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...[D1, T1, P325]

The way I imagine it, someone might have given Sultan a breakdown of histories of the player, mentioned you two's history, leading to Sultan posting what he did?

Like I said, it's a stretch, but I'll definitely lean hard Town on you two if that's the case.

Is that your read? Because from my reading just now to catch up I can definitely see where anyone would get the impression that Corrik and Zam have tussled in the past.

Not just Zams initial vote, but then Zam justifying the vote by saying he "always votes corrik day 1" and then when corrik asks him to claim he says "no corrik not for you". The implication across these posts is clear.

I mean, it's my understanding that Zam is a "newish" player (also also very bad, as either town or scum), but it's also very clear that Zam and Corrik butt heads on the regular. And with the amount of mentions it's received it is hardly the sort of thing that would require scum coaching to figure out.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...[D1, T1, P337]

Checking in to say that after work tonight (11 pm pst) ill stay up late to catch up. We're still in topic 1 so it won't be difficult.

Work is just kicking my teeth in with employees calling in and me having to stay late to close multiple positions.

Our hero arrives. Mark the time stamp so you can tell your grandkids all about it.

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Alakazamtrainer posted...[D1, T1, P349]

But Zach that's exactly what you wanted Corrik to do. How is that any different?

Don't you mean that's exactly what YOu wanted corrik to do? You literally said claim or die.

I just double checked. Zach only had 3 posts prior to your "claim or die" post.

There was his first "checking in" post that may or may not have contained a fake fake claim.

Then his comment to blade about him not responding to messages.

Then him saying how many games he's been in. (post 89)

Which was IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWED (post 90) by your "claim or die" vote on corrik.

Is this just hardcore projecting your own actions on someone else, or what?

And to keep looking at his posts (to see if he says this later) his FOURTH post was literally "stop asking people to claim".

Then a bunch of shitty emoji posts. FailFish

Yeah I'm rereading all his posts, and then re reading your posts 349. It makes absolutely no sense.
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FakeAccount3000 posted...[D1, T1, P302]

Its not me hes thinks of. I pick up things quickly because its not rocket science here, and Im a college graduate. :) Besides, I seem to be giving you guys al sorts of warning flags so I seem to be doing a bad job. If I was actually up to something Id never have been able to hide it.

In fairness, there was someone with an AIM name similar to yours who played aim mafia. I don't remember who it was though, it wasn't the same as their board name.

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Corrik posted...[D1, T1, P307]

Okay, seriously.

I have decided that plum has done nothing this game of note. I feel for my buddy if things are bad outside the gaming forum, however, this mafia and I expect to play the dastardly game of mafia within it. I may strongly feel bad for a player, but I cannot give said player, no matter how magnificent or not, a free pass due to such circumstances.

For if one signs up for a mafia game, they are to play the game of mafia.

Thus, what has Masterplum done this game? I believe he has only, in his very sparse interaction, just basically threw down a guideline for day 1 in which he intends to sheep a player and lynch them no matter what later on if they continue to live, in a game where Red and Blade regularly draw early kills over Chris.

He also was kind enough, or unfortunate enough, to provide us with outside the game information which could be used to explain any erratic play possibly displayed and which would provide a perfect guise for lack of attachment and/or inactivity from the game.

Also, a subconscious pushing of guilt has been levied by the player onto those who may wish to lynch him because, I mean, how could you dare vote for someone in such an unfortunate situation.

I am aware my first vote of him was prior to this posting. I will admit my first vote of him was because of the usage of "master scum" repeatedly, and I, full of drunken merriment, though master scum really makes me think of master plum, as scum.

However, his entrance into the game and content have been found lacking. Thus, I assert he should be our lynch if he does not wish to provide more content and/or analysis which would be typically expected of him in this game of mafia.

Plum, to my bestest recollection, has always been one who tends to be less active as scum. I find his play through these mighty 24 hours to be quite alarming.

Odd of you to key in on Plum in this way. At the time of this post he had at least done more than me. I had yet to check into this topic despite having confirmed in the sign up topic and that isn't worth a mention, but plums inactivity goes too far?

Yes, people need to be pressured if they are going to be inactive, but shouldn't you spread that pressure evenly and at least give mention to the others who had been arguably less active?

It also bears mentioning that different people are going to have different schedules. My schedule is currently beyond awful, for example, but I'll make the best of it. And this is why you should not have such a hard on for ending days early. It isn't a problem yet this game, but it's one you've exuded in both of the previous two games so I'd be shocked if you didn't take your "i'm bored let's just end the day already" approach again moving forward. It's crappy anti town play that doesn't give everyone the chance to be available and I want to nip that crap in the bud. Pay attention to those lurking, but also give people the opportunity to make their time to play.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

I have to say I really love FD's effort in the game of mafia the last few times I have played with him. I have no idea if he does this as scum (2/2 town so far with me seeing it) but every time I play with FD he is giving good effort. I appreciate that.

I consider myself a genius of hard work.

https://img00.deviantart.net/85e0/i/2005/189/f/a/rock_lee_rocks_my_world_by_dmsexyred.jpg
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masterplum posted...[D1, T1, P201]

This was the only post I really didnt like by the way. I assume chaos tony has been around long enough not to freak out over an early claim. Could be fake, could be scum, could be joke.

THE TRIPPLE Y WHY IS NOT NECESSARY

I tend to agree with this, but like I mentioned previously I generally don't like people putting more exposure on what they feel to be power claims.

In PW Mafia Foolmo had a much more better exchange with town power Scare. It made them both read town after the fact, but did not give any unnecessary exposure to the power in the moment. People should be more like Foolmo.

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Alakazamtrainer posted...[D1, T1, P246]

What about what I do makes sense? You yourself have said I'm unpredictable.

Honestly I voted more as a joke, seeing if you would respond, when they joined in, it spooked me.

What the actual fuck. Now it was a joke?

Let me get this straight.

"Claim or die" is how you start.
PJ and Red show up, putting him at -6. That's SIX votes from lynch.
You backpedal and take some heat.
Rather than justify the backpedal you justify the initial vote, saying you "always" vote corrik day 1.
This doesn't even hold up to my research because in PW mafia it was a dumb countervote at 30 minutes to the end of day, hardly a "always vote corrik day 1" situations.
And now you are saying this instance was a "joke" to see how he would response, even though corrik would response to your lone vote the same way he always responds to you, dismissively?

Why are you so concerned with having a justification for what you initinally positioned as a pressure vote?

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Ashethan posted...[D1, T1, P290]

Liking Fake's recent posts a bit less. Seems to have picked up on everything a bit quick for a newbie, too. Has he followed other games?

This is just another of a series of "how new is this person" remarks that I think are not healthy sources of scumspicion.

"he's played X games, is that enough to know what this means"

"he's too nervous/calm/constipated for a new player"

It's all pointless and it's not specific to Ashe, this is just the tipping point where I make a point to further call it out as the fake activity that it is.

It's fine to mention how experienced someone is and has some place in discussion, but not to the extent that we've seen so far today.

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Well i had a lot less to reply to in that next 100. There were some exchanges that might be more important to look back on later that I didn't remark on, but maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to wind this catchup down, much as Songs for the Deaf comes to a close and I make my final musical selection for the night. I have opted to pair my walls with The Wall for a comfortably numb finish.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Hello FD. What do you draw from red here? I made an assumption.

I will be keeping my current-time replies to a minimum while I finish catching up, but for you I will allow this one.

Red has been altogether much more interactive than I would expect him to be. Perhaps he was telling the truth and this can actually just be attributed to the All Star Break followed by a road trip for the Dodgers, but it's the playfulness that is striking me more than the "red has more time on his hands so he is posting more". Is this scum red trying to be friendly? To rub people the right way as happy go lucky friendly neighborhood redien? Or maybe this is town red trying to avoid a bullet night 1. Last game you played a very unorthodox day 1, Chris, and it worked out. It kept you alive through the first couple nights and then scum had a list of "must shoot targets" to prioritize over your vanilla ass. Maybe this is town red trying to be the most un-red imaginable on day 1 trying to get scum to scratch their heads and say "I dunno what he's doing, but he's never done this before so maybe we just let it ride for now and try to lynch him".

I could honestly see it being either of those directions, but, gun to my head I would say I'm leaning the scum explanation rather than the town. With 200 posts remaining I reserve the right to change my mind.

But while it's early morning for you it's still very late for me. So i need to finish catching up then then catch Zs.
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Leafeon13N posted...[D1, T1, P170, P175, P183

This can be arranged.

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Yes, my master scum plan is to openly admit to wanting to mislynch.

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Master is so much more dastardly than perfect.

Chris thought to justify it with the machado trade, but he isn't wrong in that there is something different about red. There is a sort of...playfulness (if that's the right word?) to red this game that I do no typically associate with him. All of his posts in this exchange (as well as others from other exchanges) embody that sort of coyness.

It's not inherently scummy play, but it is different.

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Corrik posted...[D1, T1, P193]

Colzach is probably town and town power to boot. I don't seem him "claiming" or joke claiming that as scum. I do not feel he is comfortable enough as scum to do that right now in his play. I feel he claimed the jack role to make a blatant obvious power claim to throw scum off power. Wasn't well done imo.

Alakazam voted me and gets two follow up votes and basically goes oh shit and unvotes and immediately even justifies his vote and unvote with... "But I vote corrik day 1 every game". Why not stay on the vote? Why does them following the vote mean he has to get off of it. Not sure what it means but it struck me as scummy.

To the first bit, this was my read as well, and my list of claims reflects this. But I'm not a huge fan if you bringing it to more light on the off chance it did go unnoticed.

To the second bit I definitely agree and said as much up there^. What an awful look for Zam.

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So that's 200 posts down, just 200 and change to go. Master of Puppets finished strong as always and I'm still in the first half of Songs for the Deaf. Fake radio interludes are awesome and more albums should have them. Probably going to queue up something lighter after this though, perhaps Absolution or something by Imagine Dragons.

I see there is finally a post from someone (hi chris!) since my glorious arrival. I was almost hoping I'd get through this thing with nary a post to break up my walls, but alas.
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FakeAccount3000 posted...[D1, T1, P106]

Much wheels. Very spin. Wow.

Though I am suspicious now at least so Ill try ##VOTE ALAKAZAMTRAINER

Very quick to claim this vast conspiracy

I like this vote based on the flip flopping that just occurred, but I would prefer to base a zam vote on his lack of dedication to actually pressuring Corrik and not because of his remark about PJ/Red.

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Alakazamtrainer posted...[D1, T1, P107]

I always vote for corrik on day 1... it's literally one thing everyone knows I do

Oh is that so?

Let's go back to PW Mafia, 2 games ago. Yes, you technically did vote for Corrik on day 1, at the very END of day 1.

Here are the corrik votes for PW Mafia Day 1:

[0] Corrik - (Puns,) (Shad,), (Prof), (Alakazam)

When you voted him everyone else had already removed their votes.

What's more, you did it not because it's a "thing that you do", but you did it as a self-admitted countervote because of pressure he was putting on you.

Here is that post:

Alakazamtrainer posted...[PW Mafia - D1, T3, P075]

##Vote: Corrik

Let's just counter vote. I don't like Corrik, I never have, and Corrik is never interested in anyone but Corrik's opinion

A vote onto someone with 0 votes. A counter vote and not because it's something you always do. And with approximately 30 minutes left until that day ended.

Don't try to use that crap to justify your vote. Especially since the vote itself wasn't scummy so you shouldn't have felt the need to justify it. It was the fact that you were not actually committed to the pressure so much so that a meager 3 votes had you in a panic.

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and say that this does not seem like town behavior from Zam. Granted it's difficult to determine because he is soooooo bad at the simplest aspects of the game, but the scared backpedal followed by feeling the need to justify the original vote itself as somethign he "always does", I don't think so.

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red13n posted...[D1, T1, P128]

ColZach posted...

Stop asking for claims day 1.

Its actually stupid.

no one is actually doing this?

Well technically zam was doing this. Y'know for about 30 seconds before he got scared.

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Meow1000 posted...[D1, T1, P162]

My "shift" got extended

Almost 10 hours on my "off" day

"Oh"

Did someone claim scum yet

My heart goes out to blade. Work sucks. Not working is awesome. Having to work on a day when you were supposed to Not Work is worse than having to work on a day you were supposed to work.

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Alakazamtrainer posted...[D1, T1, P095]

##Unvote

This makes me wonder now if pj and red are scum buddies trying to mislynch Corrik

You continually find new ways to remind me how bad you are at this.

3 votes in a game of 16 is not "wtf better unvote" territory.

And 2 votes after yours within a minute of each other are not scum tells.

And most importantly if you ACTUALLY wanted corrik to "claim or die" then guess what you have to do to give your threat any weight? VOTE HIM. Taking him to -6 is not a threat. And getting him to -6 and becoming a scaredy cat and taking your vote away just shows him that kitty does not actually have claws, or is far too afraid to use them.

YOUR unvote is much more scummy than their votes because to me it looks like you are saying "holy crap this thing might actually happen and *I* don't want to be so visibly responsible for a mislynch."

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...[D1, T1, P097]

[ChaosTony will remember that.]

As will I.

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red13n posted...[D1, T1, P100]

Zam is weak.

Yes, yes he is.

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2 pages down, onwards!!

These reviews is currently brought to you courtesy Master of Puppets. Once this album winds down I'll be switching to Songs for the Deaf.
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Leafeon13N posted...[D1, T1, P005]

You know we could save time, pick a new player ane kill them in a few hours.

The implication that we should either cut day short or simply remove a new player without justification is pretty anti-town.

If this was meant to be a joke then it was in poor taste.

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Alakazamtrainer posted...[D1, T1, P025]

Anyways Corrik should claim. We all know he has a 1001 fake claims let's here one

And we WANT corrik to regale us with one of his fake claims? I'd rather just ignore corrik's abbrasive mafia behavior and try to do something productive on day 1.

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Alakazamtrainer posted...[D1, T1, P035]

Well did he lie?

You do have the perpencity to die to early lynch or early death. I mean I can call water is wet and that's not exactly telling everyone much

While red does tend to meet and early demise, if you were to call water wet I'd have to lynch you for being a liar. Water itself is not wet. "wet" is what you use to describe things that come into contact with water.

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FakeAccount3000 posted...[D1, T1, P048]

Is there some kind of advantage to claiming to be particular Tiny Toons?

If there is a flavor split of some kind where all the members of mafia have something in common then it can be important to pretend to be something that doesn't fit mafia according to the split. But if there was a split it would either have to be very obvious based on the source flavor or we wouldn't know about it until a couple of scum have flipped. It's pointless conjecture to discuss flavor splits on day 1 and the scum would be the most likely to know what the split would be based on their own flavors so they would be the best prepared to understand it.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...[D1, T1, P062]

I am handwaving fake as town tbh. He isn't nervous enough to be scum. Probably. You don't really play mafia right fake?

I don't like this post from chris. Fake said this 15-20 minutes previous:

FakeAccount3000 posted...[D1, T1, P041]

I've been posting on board 8 for years but I've never played this before that I remember. I definitely haven't done it over AIM.

This is a perfectly clear admission that he is not at all experienced with mafia. Am I supposed to believe you just missed it?

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pjbasis posted...[D1, T1, P088]

Is colzach a vet?

Similar to the chris post I take umbrage with this post as well. Does no one read the other posts before they say whatever random crap they want? ColZach and his experience has been specifically mentioned several times at this point including less than an hour before in post 82 where CoLZach quoted someone talking about his experience.
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let me start by saying I should have been home from work 2 hours and 45 fucking minutes ago.

Fuck everyone who doesn't want to show up for their job.
Fuck them doubly when they do it on a friday night.
Fuck them triply when it's a payday so we're busy than a normal friday.
And quadruply so when they just started doing uber eats at our store yesterday so we have an iPad yelling EXTRA orders to us at the most inopportune times including 10 minutes after we closed because uber eats doesn't seem to know when we close.

And this was only the 2nd worst time i've been screwed this week.

If I were general manager (instead of assistant to the general manager) we would (A) have more fucking employees including part time employees so there would ACTUALLY be someone available when someone can't make it and (B) the repeat offenders would be fucking gone. There would be so much turnover, but in the end we would end up with a crew that actually comes to fucking work and FD wouldn't have to do the work of 3 and 4 people and skip all his breaks until closing and then still need to take those breaks because laws and be impossibly far behind on closing the fucking restaurant.

I came within inches of a much better job in december and I'm closing in on an IRS desk job now so hopefully my weeks here are numbered, but I could not be more fucking done with food service.

</rant>

I will begin getting caught up now, likely whilst listening to the soothing sounds of heavy metal because that's the kind of mood I'm in.
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Checking in to say that after work tonight (11 pm pst) ill stay up late to catch up. We're still in topic 1 so it won't be difficult.

Work is just kicking my teeth in with employees calling in and me having to stay late to close multiple positions.
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There is a difference between playing shudderwock on ladder though, and using it as your shaman deck in a high level tournament. Every country must submit a deck for all 9 classes.

Like what were the countries supposed to do, not take a deck that punishes greedy control decks?
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