Board 8 > Leonhart ranks anything Ace Attorney related (Spoilers)

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Aww yeah, number one

Psycho locks (not psyche locks)

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The Mood Matrix

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The Adventure of the Unbreakable Speckled Band (G1-2)

Spirit channeling

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Kay Faraday

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this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfENnDvb4UA

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Paratroopa1 posted...

Oh, my god. You're missing out. (I'm not kidding.)

Are you talking about fanmade cases in general or Phoenix Drive in particular?

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Leonhart4 posted...

Are you talking about fanmade cases in general or Phoenix Drive in particular?

Phoenix Drive specifically. Not for the sexy bits, but for the immensely quotable engrish

I will get to these later tonight

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Juror #4.
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Ini Miney and Mimi Miney

I set my ATM card's number to "0001" because I'm number one!

Trials & Tribulations - It's still the king of the series to me. Every case in the game is above average. It really fleshed out Mia's backstory and it was a very smart idea to give her an evil female rival in Dahlia. Edgeworth is used brilliantly in both 3-4 and 3-5. It was a perfect ending to Phoenix's story, and I would've been fine if they had actually ended his role in the series here as Takumi originally intended. He could've lived happily ever after with Iris, but alas, it was not meant to be.
Phoenix and Edgeworth's Dynamic
The Hair Flip
Maya Fey
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Protagonist Miles Edgeworth
The Golden Court (L-3) - I was not prepared for all the layers of this case (aside from Maya being accused of being a witch; everyone saw that coming). It tugs at your emotions in so many ways. It's one of my favorite endings to a non-epic case in the series because it invokes an uncommon trope (I think 5-6 is the only other time it happens). Everyone believes the case is solved, but Phoenix doesn't feel they've arrived at the complete truth yet and forces the trial to continue. It's a prime example of why Phoenix is the best lawyer.
Cross-examining Animals
Ladders vs. Stepladders
Dhurke Sahdmadhi
Psycho-Locks - One of my favorite understated running gags with Edgeworth is that he's terrible at remembering the names of non-human things, and Psycho-Locks is probably the most hilarious example. The first example was calling the Global Studios mascot Mrs. Monkey instead of Mr. Monkey. He also can't remember the name of Little Thief, the Alif Red Statue from E1-2, or Ponco in 5-5. There may be other examples, but those are the ones I remember off the top of my head.

The Herlock Sholmes "Logic and Reasoning Spectacular"

Justice for All
The Mood Matrix - I know there are some split opinions on the Mood Matrix, but I loved it. I thought it had great presentation, outstanding music, and it breathed some fresh air into cross-examinations without feeling too gimmicky. They use it to great effect in 5-5 both with Blackquill and the Phantom.
Gregory Edgeworth
Enoch Drebber
Punished Apollo
Ryutaro Naruhodo
Kay Faraday - Because even Edgeworth needs a perky teenage assistant! Honestly, I was a little disappointed when she first appeared in E1-3 because I was hoping for a lot more Edgeworth/Gumshoe screen time with the AAI games, but they make it work. She manages to bring out a side of Edgeworth you don't see anywhere else, and that's really cool.
Spirit Channeling - I know some people hate spirit channeling, but I always knew something exciting was going to happen whenever it made an appearance, so I was good with it. Mia is awesome, so she can show up whenever she wants. I do wish it had more diversity to it, so I was pleased with how they implemented it in 6-3.
Investigation ~ Core 2001
I Can't Defeat Tree Man - I had never seen this video before, but I've always enjoyed the Phoenix Wrong stuff. While I appreciate the effort the guy put into writing the lyrics and singing them in tune to the song, I've gotta admit that my favorite part was pausing the video on the "boss select" screen and seeing that Lance Amano was listed as Galaxy Man.
Herlock Sholmes Dancing Animations
Daley Vigil/Gossip
Robin Newman

Believe me, any comic relief I may provide is entirely unintentional.

Ini & Mimi Miney - I am terrible at seeing plot twists coming, but I also don't really try to guess what's going to happen because I enjoy being surprised. However, this one I saw coming from a mile away because you can't just casually drop the term "facial reconstruction surgery" without it being obvious what happened, at least to me.
Sebastian Debeste
Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 Phoenix Wright
3-1 Phoenix's Shirt and What It Really Stands For
Edgeworth's Cravat
Dahlia's Constipation
The Fact That Phoenix Once Tipped a Cow - This is such a random throwaway line (or half of a line because I'm pretty sure the Judge interrupts Phoenix before he can finish telling the story!). I have zero doubt that this line did not exist in the original Japanese version, and it speaks to just how brilliant the localization process for the series is.
Peace, Love, and Understanding
Juror No. 4 - So let's see...We had Typewriter Juror, Joan Garrideb, Quinby Altamont, Deaf Surgeon Juror, and Scientist Juror. Yeah, this might be the most consistent quality number for jurors between both games.
Moe's Fresh Prince Reference
Multiple Witnesses Mechanic - This actually started in Layton/Ace Attorney, so you should play that if you enjoyed it in Great Ace Attorney because I think Layton/AA used it better. In GAA, it's honestly pretty predictable. If I had to point out a flaw with GAA, it's that it's too easy, even by Ace Attorney standards and part of it is how formulaic the testimonies feel.
Case 1s That Tease Dynamics in the Final Case
The Adventure of the Great Departure (G1-1)

I'm not sure I like you wagging your finger at me as though I were some hoser!

No Game No Life Cornered Remix - I have never seen No Game No Life, so I'm sure this is great in context, like a lot of Ace Attorney music. As a standalone remix, it's fine, but I'm not the person to ask if you're wanting technical analysis because I'm not good at talking about music.
Raiten Menimemo - Eh, he's fine, I guess. I feel like some of his actions don't make much sense, but that's pretty par for the course for the intro case villain. He's got some cool animations though.
Shouting "Objection!" into the system's mic
Logic Chess
Phoenix/Edgeworth Ship - Phoenix/Iris forever. Seriously though, I get why people ship the two of them because it's a fantastic bromance, but it's not for me. I'm the boring guy who just rolls with the canon pairings.
Venus
2-3's Murder Physics
The Adventure of the Unbreakable Speckled Band (G1-2) - I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around the fact that this case has no trial segment. I don't think it really works as a standalone case because almost everything that happens here is a setup for something else down the line. It's a product of how Takumi chose to write Great Ace Attorney. Sometimes it works, but it doesn't really work here.

You look like I did after I mistakenly took a swig of Worcestershire sauce.

Phoenix Drive
The Amazing Mr. Hat
Mike Meekins

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Klavier

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(I think 5-6 is the only other time it happens). Everyone believes the case is solved, but Phoenix doesn't feel they've arrived at the complete truth yet and forces the trial to continue.

What about G2-3?


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GAA's tendency to only play the pursuit theme at the climax of the trial

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Oh right, it does happen there, too. Another reason it's an amazing case.

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Oh and my next nomination is Turnabout Reclaimed

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Ema Skye

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Simon Blackquill

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Presenting your Attorney's Badge to everyone you meet

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Damon Gant

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Yeah Menimemo was fun to watch.

Nominate: Olive Green

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Japanifornia

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G2-4's Dance of Deduction

all those Phoenix/Edgeworth yaoi fangames from the early '00s

GAA does have a weird case of replaying some of the plot beats of older games, though I guess that's intentional.

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Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney

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The Adventure of the Runaway Room (G1-3)

More tonight

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Soseki Natsume
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I set my ATM card's number to "0001" because I'm number one!

Trials & Tribulations
Phoenix and Edgeworth's Dynamic
The Hair Flip
Maya Fey
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Protagonist Miles Edgeworth
The Golden Court (L-3)

Simon Blackquill - Other than Apollo, I'd say Blackquill is my favorite Ace Attorney character they've created since the original trilogy. He's almost like an homage to all the previous prosecutors. He's cerebral and logical like Edgeworth, has a penchant for violence like Franziska, is fond of illogical metaphors like Godot, and gives everyone weird nicknames like Klavier. Oh, and he's a fantastic opponent, to boot. I love 5-2 so much primarily because he nails Apollo to the wall the entire first trial day, and the big triumphant moment of the second day isn't exposing L'Belle; it's Apollo finally being able to stand up to Blackquill.

Presenting Your Attorney's Badge to Everyone You Meet - If you don't do this, are you really playing Ace Attorney? It's kind of funny because there were actually a couple of instances in the original game where presenting the badge was necessarily to advance the story. I'm not sure it's ever been necessary since then, but they always keep it in the inventory because they know (and frequently lampshade) that fans love to do this.

Cross-examining Animals
Ladders vs. Stepladders

Damon Gant - He's everything that Redd White was supposed to be. Gant is a tough as nails opponent who has his own unique set of weapons that no one else has at their disposal as the police chief. He has the defendant under his thumb, and he's one of the few people who's ever been able to legitimately rattle Edgeworth. Taking him down is incredibly satisfying, and the lightning bolt animation is still perhaps the greatest damage animation in the series.

Dhurke Sahdmadhi
Psycho-Locks

The Herlock Sholmes "Logic and Reasoning Spectacular"

Turnabout Reclaimed (5-6) - As much as I tend to say the case is overrated (I don't think it's the best DD case like many do), it's still fantastic. Shipshape Aquarium is one of my favorite Ace Attorney locations ever, and it features one of the greatest testimonies ever as well in "The Dissin' of Phoenix Wright." Here's my controversial 5-6 opinion: Crab > Rimes

Justice for All
The Mood Matrix

The Adventure of the Runaway Room (G1-3) - This case is wild, man. You'd figure the game would ease you in to your first jury trial, but nope! There's this profound sense of unease throughout the whole thing, whether it's your clearly suspicious client, suddenly appearing bloodstains, or evidence going up in flames, quite literally. It's been a while since a case made me feel like that, so I appreciate that a lot.

G2-4's Dance of Deduction - An odd admission up front that I made in my GAA playthrough topic: I find the weird German song that plays during this part strangely enchanting. This particular Dance of Deduction threw me for a loop because, just as soon as you thought Ryunosuke had solved the thing, Sholmes steps in, takes charge, and gets everything right for the first time ever. I thought it was a nice little touch because it shows how well he knows Iris and how much he cares for her deep down.

Gregory Edgeworth
Enoch Drebber
Punished Apollo
Ryutaro Naruhodo

Ema Skye - Unpopular opinion time: Grumpy Ema is the best version of the character. It's one of the few things Apollo Justice got right over the original trilogy. I love this weird friction Ema has with both Apollo and Klavier. I guess I can live with the more fulfilled Ema we get in SoJ, but either way, it's better than 1-5 Ema, who's honestly not a great character or sidekick because they clearly wanted her to be a Maya stand-in and she's just not.

Kay Faraday
Spirit Channeling
Investigation ~ Core 2001
I Can't Defeat Tree Man
Herlock Sholmes Dancing Animations
Daley Vigil/Gossip
Robin Newman

Believe me, any comic relief I may provide is entirely unintentional.

Ini & Mimi Miney
Sebastian Debeste
Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 Phoenix Wright
3-1 Phoenix's Shirt and What It Really Stands For

Olive Green - I certainly never would have predicted what her character arc would have become after G1-4. She manages to be very sympathetic and tragic while also not being entirely innocent at the same time. I think her personality is a little flat, but overall her role in the story is pretty good.

Edgeworth's Cravat
Dahlia's Constipation
The Fact That Phoenix Once Tipped a Cow
Peace, Love, and Understanding

Klavier Gavin - Klavier's a weird case for a prosecutor because he's clearly good at his job. He's just...not a good opponent. I feel like they wanted to walk the line between him wanting to win the case and wanting to reveal the truth, but it wasn't very successful. They wanted him to be a friendly rival in the Edgeworth mold, and it works better outside of court, for some reason, although I love most of his prosecutor animations.

Juror No. 4

Japanifornia - It's so wild that the English localization essentially boxed itself in because they needed to establish a time zone to make the passport contradiction work in 1-1. That one little detail is the only reason they continue to insist Ace Attorney takes place in the United States, and I actually respect the heck out of them for sticking to their guns and maintaining the continuity of the series despite the occasional silliness it creates (besides, I do enjoy the funny webcomics it spawns).

Moe's Fresh Prince Reference
Multiple Witnesses Mechanic
Case 1s That Tease Dynamics in the Final Case
The Adventure of the Great Departure (G1-1)

Soseki Natsume - Honestly, the guy is kind of annoying a lot of the time because he's almost impossible to have a rational discussion with (which isn't necessarily uncommon for defendants!). He does have some great animations though, and it does feel good to get him off the hook. Also, it was cool for Takumi to include a real-life person in the game, even if it does make the timeline of events wonky...!

I'm not sure I like you wagging your finger at me as though I were some hoser!

Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney - I have a weird relationship with this game. It frustrates the heck out of me in a way no other game in the series does, but I can still replay it and largely enjoy myself to this day. For everything the game gets right, there are one or two missteps that accompany it. I still remember playing this game for the first time and just the tension I felt waiting until we learned what caused Phoenix Wright to get disbarred. If the Hair Flip is the greatest gut punch the series has given me in a positive sense, that's the greatest gut punch the series has given me in a negative sense.

No Game No Life Cornered Remix
Raiten Menimemo
Shouting "Objection!" into the system's mic
Logic Chess
Phoenix/Edgeworth Ship
Venus

Great Ace Attorney Being Stingy with the Pursuit Theme - Ace Attorney is a series built on using the right song at the right time, but the OT was never shy about giving you plenty of all of its best songs. I feel like this started to change with AAI, where they had the Presto theme that only played during the final cross-examination, and you see examples of it in every game since. Dual Destinies is very sparing in using its outstanding Announce the Truth theme, for instance.

2-3's Murder Physics
The Adventure of the Unbreakable Speckled Band (G1-2)

You look like I did after I mistakenly took a swig of Worcestershire sauce.

Phoenix Drive
The Amazing Mr. Hat
Mike Meekins

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Zak Gramarye is a jerk

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lol ok i guess i'll try something else (i thought for sure it could get last place if it was counted)

save scumming in ace attorney

it's still wild to me though how after the original gba releases, the phoenix/edgeworth pairing was straight up one of the most popular pairings in doujin works period for a year or two to the point there are still probably more fangames dedicated to it now than anything else

The ability to present profiles

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The standard being guilty until proven innocent for the initial defendant in a case but innocent until proven guilty for the real culprit

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Susato

Im not sure if Grumpy Ema being the best is unpopular! I know I prefer her grumpy self too.

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Dual Destinies

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Ga'ran Sigatar Khura'in

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I would like to call the witness' pet parrot to the stand!

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THE MURDER WEAPON WAS UDON DOUGH

caps

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The Great Ace Attorney

The Adventure of the Clouded Kokoro (G1-4)

The thing I respect about Kay is that she manages to humanize Edgeworth in a way no one else can, which especially shows in E2-4. When it comes to people, he prefers to just pretend like he doesn't care, even when he does. It's easier for him that way. When it comes to Kay, he tries at first, and eventually finds out he can't. It's more than just being Edgeworth's "Maya" - Phoenix actually likes being around people. Edgeworth doesn't. Kay forces herself around him until he begins to care about her and reluctantly accepts he likes having her around.

It looks like Edgeworth goes all-out defending Simon in E2-2, in a twist of "Edgeworth is playing defense attorney again!", but it still pales in comparison to his defense of her in E2-4. He suddenly finds himself in a position where he'll put anything on the line for her sake and does so without the slightest hesitation.

It's a shame she nor Gumshoe never made any appearance in DD and SoJ because they flat out made Edgeworth a better person. It's a bit of a letdown that he evolved as a person over the course of those two games and he's so minor in DD/SoJ that basically just ignore it.

Speaking of that, rank E2-4.

Best Edgeworth case. Blaise is a great villain.

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I wouldn't say DD and SoJ ignore that. Edgeworth is a kinder person in those games. He's still ruthless in court but that part of him will never change.

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hombad46 posted...

What about G2-3?

and 1-4, the OG!
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hombad46 posted...

What about G2-3?

and 1-4, the OG!Leonhart4 posted...

I wouldn't say DD and SoJ ignore that. Edgeworth is a kinder person in those games. He's still ruthless in court but that part of him will never change.

yeah, i agree with this

also the fact kay makes edgeworth a better person is kind of useful as a story tool, but didn't really make her much of a character. a charismatic dog could have that effect. i do like kay well enough though.
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Furio Tigre

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SeabassDebeste posted...

and 1-4, the OG!

Edgeworth forced the trial to continue there, not Phoenix

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SeabassDebeste posted...

also the fact kay makes edgeworth a better person is kind of useful as a story tool, but didn't really make her much of a character. a charismatic dog could have that effect. i do like kay well enough though.

Edgeworth does have a dog named Pesu, according to Takumi!

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Northward: Turnabout Express (Ace Attorney Anime season 2 episodes 10-12)
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