Board 8 > Leonhart ranks anything Ace Attorney related (Spoilers)

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Hype

Protagonist Edgeworth

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Robin Newman

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Mr. Hat

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Dhurke

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Ryutaro Naruhodo

Oh, I thought you were asking for the categories for you to rank, not just having us pool whatever together and ranking it all as one.

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Mike Meekins
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Venus

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MrSmartGuy posted...

Oh, I thought you were asking for the categories for you to rank, not just having us pool whatever together and ranking it all as one.

I mean I can do my best with whatever you want ranked!

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Edgeworth's Cravat

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Investigation ~ Core 2001

Dahlia's Constipation


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Sholmes dancing animations

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Maya Fey

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Enoch Drebber

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Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney

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UMVC3 Phoenix Wright

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Peace Loving Understanding

I set my ATM card's number to "0001" because I'm number one!

Maya Fey - One of the best Ace Attorney characters. Sure, she's overused as a dramatic plot device, but her chemistry with Phoenix is unrivaled. Ace Attorney did this weird thing where it feels like Phoenix and Maya have a bunch of cases together, but it's also fewer than you realize. They somehow managed to hit this sweet spot with them where you always look forward to seeing them together without it ever feeling old.

Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - It's tough to beat the original. It does a great job of telling a simple story in an efficient manner. We're never getting back to the rapid pacing of this game. 6-5 is almost as long as 1-1 through 1-4 combined! That isn't to say they haven't made improvements on the formula because they definitely have, but it's just a nice bit of nostalgia every time I go back to this game now.

Protagonist Miles Edgeworth - Playable Edgeworth in 3-5 is one of the greatest examples of fanservice done right in any video game, so I certainly understood wanting to make an entire game or two out of it. For all the flaws the AAI games have, Edgeworth isn't one of them. He has a unique sense of inner monologue compared to the other protagonists. The only quibble I might make is that sometimes he's too smart, so it's difficult to create situations where he's genuinely confused or stumped.

Dhurke Sahdmadhi - Perhaps the best defendant in the series (non-main character division). I was pleasantly surprised by how Spirit of Justice handled his character arc. I think it was cool to make him similar to Phoenix because it explains why Apollo looks up to him so much since he reminds him of Dhurke. Jamieson Price was the perfect VA for him, too. "A Dragon never yields" hits just right with his voice. And that twist, man. That twist.

The Herlock Sholmes "Logic and Reasoning Spectacular"

Enoch Drebber - I could listen to this guy's theme all day. It's so good. You know what else is super good? Every single animation he has. They capture the creepy, almost inhuman vibe of the character so well. I really liked how they handled his character, too. For 95% of the case, you're absolutely convinced he's the culprit until they hit you with that late swerve. He's certainly not innocent, but you also kinda get why he is the way he is.

Ryutaro Naruhodo - Having Susato pose as a defense attorney was an excellent intro case gimmick. It was super cute to have her imitate Ryunosuke's animations, too. It's kind of a shame she's only around for one case because it means we don't get to hear more of her amazing theme music.

Investigation ~ Core 2001 - One of the definitive Ace Attorney themes. I can immediately hear it in my mind. I wouldn't say it's my favorite investigation theme in the series, but it's probably the most memorable one. You always knew something was about to go down in PW1 when it started playing.

Herlock Sholmes Dancing Animations - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WU5sIy_B6A (spoilers for G2-5), the man is a legend

Robin Newman - Probably my favorite minor character from Dual Destinies. I get that some people take issue with how she's handled, but I find her irresistably charming. I just love over the top characters, and Robin has two different over the top personalities, whether it's screaming and raging or twirling around and randomly spelling out W-O-R-D-S.

Believe me, any comic relief I may provide is entirely unintentional.

Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 Phoenix Wright - It's really cool that this actually happened. Unfortunately, I never played the game, so I have no idea if he's considered good or not. I just loved watching that initial reveal trailer and seeing how silly his moveset was.

Edgeworth's Cravat - I had no idea what that thing was called until I played Ace Attorney. It's a fittingly pompous fashion accessory for Edgeworth.

Dahlia's Constipation - "What are you saying, Miss Fey?! My perfect little Dollie doesn't POOP!" It's such a great dumb line. I don't know if anyone ever watched that sitcom, "8 Simple Rules for Dating My Teenage Daughter" with John Ritter (R.I.P.) and Kaley Cuoco, but there was a similar joke once where Kaley's character was aghast to hear her sister tell her boyfriend she was in the bathroom because he wasn't supposed to know she pooped. This is literally the only scene I remember from the show, and it's probably because of this line.

Peace, Love, and Understanding - What's so funny about peace, love, and understanding? Making it into an absurd pun, even by the series' standard. I feel like you either love SoJ's ridiculous Khura'in name puns or you think they're some of the dumbest things the series has come up with. There's no ambivalent middle ground here. I tend to fall on the side of loving them, but I love bad puns in general!

I'm not sure I like you wagging your finger at me as though I were some hoser!

Venus - My least favorite of the three street performers. I feel like she just exists to provide an explanation for the fake gunshot, and it's immediately obvious that it had to be one of her firecrackers once you learn she sells them. I don't feel like I have much else to say about her because she didn't leave enough of an impression on me. She does kind of remind me of Kira from Layton/Ace Attorney, just a less interesting version.

You look like I did after I mistakenly took a swig of Worcestershire sauce.

The Amazing Mr. Hat - Apollo Justice had some weird running gags, and Mr. Hat might have been the worst of them (including Trucy's magic panties). This is mostly because of how they used it in 4-2 to create fake drama in a way that doesn't actually progress anything and is awkwardly dealt with afterwards. It's the worst example of the "last minute save from nowhere" in the series.

Mike Meekins - If you were aiming for the bottom of the rankings on the first try, TRE, congratulations! You succeeded. I cannot stand Meekins as a character. They try to give him several gimmicks and none of them are funny. His character design is super off-putting, too. It just doesn't fit with the Ace Attorney style.

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Debeste

Edit: Sebastian to be specific since I guess Debeste is also his dad's name.

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Punished Apollo

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LeonhartFour posted...

If you were aiming for the bottom of the rankings on the first try, TRE, congratulations! You succeeded.

Guilty as Charged
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Gregory Edgeworth

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Ladders vs Stepladders

Phoenix and Edgeworths dynamic

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2-3's murder physics

Shouting "Objection!" into the system's mic
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Case 1s that tease dynamics in the final case

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Justice For All

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Cross examining animals

Phoenix Drive

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The Adventure of the Great Departure (G1-1)

Gossip/Dale Vigil

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Hair Flip

LeonhartFour posted...

sorry to whoever out there likes 4-3 best

Why are you apologizing to literally no one?

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LeonhartFour posted...

Playable Edgeworth in 3-5 is one of the greatest examples of fanservice done right in any video game

Absolutely.

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3-1 Phoenix's shirt and what it really stands for

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Moe's Fresh Prince reference

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I'll get to this tonight.

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Cross-examining Polly

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Logic Chess

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I set my ATM card's number to "0001" because I'm number one!

Phoenix and Edgeworth's Dynamic - I love me some foils, and Phoenix and Edgeworth are two of the best. I love analyzing the evolution of relationships between characters, and it's honestly kind of rewarding to see how it develops. Despite how utterly different their personalities are and even though neither one would ever say it aloud, there's a bond of unbreakable trust between them. It was such a treat to see that dynamic at work in 6-5 after a decade (of in-game time) of friendship.
The Hair Flip - The single biggest gut punch in the series for me, without a doubt. Like Phoenix, I wanted to believe Engarde was innocent, even as the evidence started to pile up that he was anything but. I thought the game was just trying to troll me, and then Engarde blurted out, "I'm gonna consult myself" and 2-4 became my favorite case ever.
Maya Fey
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
Protagonist Miles Edgeworth
Cross-examining Animals - There's a reason why this link has been in my sig for years now: http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png
Ladders vs. Stepladders - One of the great debates of our time. I didn't even realize there was a difference until I played Ace Attorney! I think it's great that they manage to squeeze some version of the argument into every game. Team Stepladder all the way, for the record.
Dhurke Sahdmadhi

The Herlock Sholmes "Logic and Reasoning Spectacular"

Justice for All - While 2-4 is my favorite case, I've never been of the mentality that it basically has to carry the entire game by itself. I can find enjoyable things in every case. In terms of gameplay mechanics, the Magatama was a really cool addition. Pearl is probably one of my all-time favorite child characters in a video game. While I'm not a huge fan of Franziska, I do appreciate how she operates as a foil for both Phoenix and Edgeworth.
Gregory Edgeworth - I've always found Gregory fascinating as a character, even back when he was only the victim of DL-6. The dude literally lied as a ghost to protect his son because he thought Miles had accidentally shot him. It was my dream for a long time to have a playable Gregory case, so I was immediately sold on AAI2 once I found out it was actually happening (Spoilers: I voted E2-3 for the poll).
Enoch Drebber
Punished Apollo - I know some people think Apollo got the short end of the stick in Dual Destinies, which I sorta understand because he doesn't get nearly as much screen time as Phoenix or Athena, but I enjoyed what they did with him because it helped to distinguish him from Phoenix. Apollo doesn't have undying faith in his clients like Phoenix does. He struggles with doubts and needs to base his belief on logic. The showdown between Phoenix and Apollo in 5-5 might be my favorite part of Dual Destinies.
Ryutaro Naruhodo
Investigation ~ Core 2001
Herlock Sholmes Dancing Animations
Daley Vigil/Gossip - I think he's a really cool character, but I have a hard time taking him seriously after this moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGK2vvt2Hic
Robin Newman

Believe me, any comic relief I may provide is entirely unintentional.

Sebastian Debeste - In AAI1, we determined you couldn't defeat Edgeworth in a logic battle, so what was the solution for AAI2? Give him an opponent who is completely incapable of using logic! This may be weird to say, but Edgeworth and Sebastian almost have a Batman/Joker relationship. Some men just want to be the best. Seriously though, Sebastian is kind of a pest for most of the game, but I do enjoy seeing him take down Blaise at the end. Also, his name might be the greatest triumph of the fan translation.
Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 Phoenix Wright
3-1 Phoenix's Shirt and What It Really Stands For - "That 'P' doesn't stand for 'Phoenix' anyway!" Man, playable Mia was so great. She didn't take crap from anyone, not even her own client. I have my own idea of what Mia is implying the P stands for, and I assume that was the joke's intent since the joke was made after he starting blubbering on the witness stand.
Edgeworth's Cravat
Dahlia's Constipation
Peace, Love, and Understanding
Moe's Fresh Prince Reference - Cross-examining Moe on day 1 of 2-3 is often painful, although it's not entirely his fault since this is one of those dreaded "you can get punished for pressing" segments. Thankfully, the game does throw you a few bones to make it a bit more bearable, and this is one of them. I think I prefer the A-Team parody better just because of the reaction it gets from the Judge though.
Case 1s That Tease Dynamics in the Final Case - If I understand correctly what you're saying here, this would be, what, 3-1, 4-1, 5-1, E1-1, and E2-1? It's cool to see them foreshadow something that eventually comes back around for the finale. I know it kind of blew my mind in T&T when they brought Dahlia back after the intro case because it hadn't been done before, but now I'm basically used to it.
The Adventure of the Great Departure (G1-1) - This case is probably longer than it needs to be, but I can forgive it because I love most of the characters involved. Ryunosuke's shifty eyes as he raises his hand to volunteer to defend himself is incredible. I love Kazuma as the sidekick. Auchi is the perfect Payne stand-in (as you would expect, I guess). Jezaille Brett is such an eminently hateable villain, and SHUT UP is an amazing sound clip.

I'm not sure I like you wagging your finger at me as though I were some hoser!

Shouting "Objection!" into the system's mic - A cool idea in principle, but not something I ever found myself wanting to do in practice. I guess I'll do it at the end of each game where they encourage you to do it before the credits roll, but that's about it.
Logic Chess - As an idea, it's really cool and I love the aesthetics of it. In terms of execution, it's a bit lacking. There's a timer, but you have to really screw things up to ever be in danger of running out of time. It can get a bit repetitive, especially if you pick wrong dialogue options because there isn't that much extra flavor text. It never really feels like it gets harder for the tougher opponents. It just gets longer.
Venus
2-3's Murder Physics - I've got a couple of dirty secrets to share. The first is that I actually like 2-3. It's a lower tier case, sure, but I still enjoy it. The second is that I don't care much about whether a murder was literally possible in reality or not. There's something to be said about people who want too much reality in their fiction! The only time it bothers me is in 4-3, but that's because the physics of the murder are actually an integral part of the case.

You look like I did after I mistakenly took a swig of Worcestershire sauce.

Phoenix Drive - I initially had no clue what this was or if it was even a real thing, so I had to Google it. I've gotta be honest: Fanmade cases have never held any interest to me, and I've never looked one up or played one. I could've guessed an h-game of the series existed out there somewhere though!
The Amazing Mr. Hat
Mike Meekins

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GAA's multiple witnesses mechanic

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The fact that Phoenix once tipped a cow

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Trials and Tribulations

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LeonhartFour posted...

Phoenix Drive - I initially had no clue what this was or if it was even a real thing, so I had to Google it. I've gotta be honest: Fanmade cases have never held any interest to me, and I've never looked one up or played one. I could've guessed an h-game of the series existed out there somewhere though!

Oh, my god. You're missing out. (I'm not kidding.)

Phoenix x Edgeworth ship
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The Golden Court (L-3)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGK2vvt2Hic (click to expand)

One of the greatest moments, especially out of context.

Nominate: Raiten Menimemo

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the cornered theme in No Game No Life