Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 362: Now With Diet Coke Button

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masterplum posted...

There is dumb, and then there is decade imprisonment dumb

And yet people are imprisoned for a decade all the time
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"i'm not conservative i voted for biden" lmao

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Don't forget that for like a year masterplum's entire modus operandi was to come into this topic once a week, post one snarky moronic pro-Trump comment, and then leave until the next week without replying to anything else.

I don't buy this attempt to legitimize himself since the election in the slightest, and I never have.

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masterplum posted...

I voted for Biden, you have to be some Q follower to think political affiliation matters here at all

That you think voting for Biden is some sort of defense is kind of sad, actually.

You're an admitted Republican who turned on Trump (Fine, great whatever), but you're still willing to give Republicans way more of a pass and leeway than you've ever given to Democrats. It's what conservatives do. Just like people are willing to give Trump a pass on this whole "Sedition" thing, whereas if Obama incited people to invade Congress, those same Republicans would be calling for his head (rightly so). But your response to that would be "Same thing, both sides!' without any evidence that the Democrats would do the same in the Republicans position. It's this double standard and why I don't think Democrats should try to reach out to Republicans. Because Republicans don't want to be reached out to. They want to pull people closer toward them, without ever giving anything up and without really standing up for anything.

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speaking of double standards lol fox news

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1354051965634793473

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Don't forget that for like a year masterplum's entire modus operandi was to come into this topic once a week, post one snarky moronic pro-Trump comment, and then leave until the next week without replying to anything else.

I don't buy this attempt to legitimize himself since the election in the slightest, and I never have.

Ah

You got me. I'm a secret Trumper in disquise! Would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you!

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Ashethan posted...

But your response to that would be "Same thing, both sides!' without any evidence that the Democrats would do the same in the Republicans position. It's this double standard and why I don't think Democrats should try to reach out to Republicans. Because Republicans don't want to be reached out to. They want to pull people closer toward them, without ever giving anything up and without really standing up for anything.

See:
Peace___Frog posted...

Interesting article from 538, re: polarization and "unity"

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-radicalized-republic/

Especially for our "both sides!!111!!!" folks

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You are the guys putting political labels on this. My stance would not change at all if it was "Random womans twitter posts daughters nudes"

I suspect that if it wasn't a notorious conservative your views would be different

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"How could she possibly have access to photos from her daughter's phone that she has physical access to?"

Is that really what's being argued here?
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The fact that it is a picture of the picture on a phone and not a screenshot/sent picture screams old white lady tbqh imo

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Also broken clock, twice a day, etc

https://twitter.com/SenTedCruz/status/1353818870671400962?s=20

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...now that doesn't sound right regarding plum's modus anything.

double checked to be sure but plum didn't post in here regularly over the past year at all. he's been regularly posting since november, had a post laughing at rudy in october, and that's it for the year. so unless there's an alt i'm not aware of, that's just plain wrong.

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Oregon's GOP is saying the Capitol Riot was staged for the sole purpose of discrediting Trump and dismissing the entire thing as fake news.

Short of actually convicting him (which won't come close to happening), there's nothing you can even do to try to fix the damage he's done to them.

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FFDragon posted...

Also broken clock, twice a day, etc

On the surface, term limits seem like a good idea. (retire already, Feinstein). But it also limits what an effective lawmaker can do. It also potentially increases the influence of lobbyists because lawmakers will be more reliant on lobbyists (who'll continue to be there long after the congressman/senator is gone and have better relationships with more established congress members even though they haven't been there as long)

I'm fine however if Ted Cruz wants to voluntarily adhere to serving just two six-year terms. He just has to forego running for re-election.

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masterplum posted...

You are the guys putting political labels on this. My stance would not change at all if it was "Random womans twitter posts daughters nudes"

I suspect that if it wasn't a notorious conservative your views would be different

I would be far more willing to give SHS or Sarah Palin more benefit of the doubt in a similar situation than the lady who intentionally gave her daughter Covid.
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I wonder how much that would change decision making for lawmakers. The #1 incentive for any politician is generally to do what will get them reelected. How much does this change their goals? Does it change them for the better?

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I'd personally make it 2/6 and 4/3 so each is capped at 12.

12 years is way more than enough time, and you could always cap at 24 if you're an exceptional house member who then runs for senate.

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If a parent posts naked pictures of their teenaged child on Twitter and your first response is "well surely there's some reasonable explanation for this" rather than "man that's fucked up", you might need to re-evaluate your life.

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FFDragon posted...

12 years is way more than enough time, and you could always cap at 24 if you're an exceptional house member who then runs for senate.

Cori Bush is an excellent lawmaker. But she also lives in a Red State. Meaning she'd be capped at 12 years. Meanwhile, Ted Cruz is in texas so he can serve 12 years in congress, and 12 in the senate. Also, just because you represent your district well, doesn't mean the rest of the state leans your way. It's really limiting, and I don't think it really solves any issues.

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12 years max per chamber seems reasonable. keeps a constant flow of new blood in the parties too that way. when the average age of leadership for a party is 70, something's seriously fucked.

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Not_an_Owl posted...

If a parent posts naked pictures of their teenaged child on Twitter and your first response is "well surely there's some reasonable explanation for this" rather than "man that's fucked up", you might need to re-evaluate your life.

There is a big difference between thinking that's normal and thinking that's weird enough to be suspicious

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Term limits aren't the answer tbh, better people is. Bernie has been in congress 30 years, still killing it.

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If you want term limits you have to acknowledge that its an undemocratic idea
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it's definitely undemocratic. it's just also a notable check on individual power that also makes it more difficult to consolidate power in a few due to a mix of rotating members as well as a speedier influx of younger generations.

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I think we already did that with the 22nd

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Yeah, I dont hate term limits, but making it so there are more options seems more important

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Maybe we should focus on better educating voters instead of doing stupid reforms tbh

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Now see that's somehow harder when like 40% of the voter base would rather be educated by Q than by facts.

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Term limits aren't the answer tbh, better people is. Bernie has been in congress 30 years, still killing it.

He's led to a nice movement that probably wouldn't be possible with term limits. New ideas are stifled by things like term limits, because they take a lot of time to become accepted. Now we have Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley and more thanks to work Bernie did.

The old guard will simply handpick their replacements with endorsements, thus ensuring new ideas don't get advanced in the way they need to be. It'll stifle progress.

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FFDragon posted...

Now see that's somehow harder when like 40% of the voter base would rather be educated by Q than by facts.

Term limits won't solve this.

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I think he was saying educating voters is harder than term limits, not that term limits are somehow a solution to dumbasses.
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I hope the headline is Even Ted Cruz is Tired of Ted Cruz in the Senate
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Oh yeah, the dumbasses are entrenched at this point. I honestly don't see how you can possibly deprogram them at this point. All effort in that realm should be focused on not allowing them to corrupt any others.

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I mean, legislating is a skill and like all skills requires time to develop and that's one of my bigger issues with term limits. You put a cap on this and I think there'd be a bigger tendency for special interest groups like ALEC to grow even more powerful as more and more Congresspeople rely on just taking the bill text they write up (serving their own interests) because they just don't have time/skill needed to craft their own comprehensive legislation and that is very much not good.

The other problem is the fact that campaign season never fucking ends. The minute you win re-election you just start fundraising for the next. Especially in the House with its two-year terms. Money in politics is a huge problem here of course, but I also don't think it'd be quite as simple as looking to other democracies where they don't put up with that shit and campaign season is like literally three weeks and that's it (sometimes by law) because absent preventing "unaffiliated" SuperPACs from running shadow campaigns even if you manage to put campaign finance reform in place for the actual candidates I think you just shift where the money is going without changing much. Bad news there is I see basically 0 chance that a SCOTUS that is now noticeably more right-wing than it was for Citizens United does shit in this regard. Hell, they'd probably find a way to make it even worse somehow.

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Term limits are a terrible idea. I'm much more in favor of mandatory retirement ages. If you're old enough to collect social security you're too old to be in Congress.

Yes I am aware this would force Bernie out. He's one man, and if his movement is going to mean anything it has to be able to survive without him.

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I'll accept retirement ages. I was mostly thinking of your Feinsteins and your Strom Thurmonds anyway.

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Age limits won't solve this. You guys seem to be really against the whole educating the populace is the only viable option. Everything else just gets warped. See republican strategy for Supreme Court justices.

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Educating the populace gets warped too. Again, Q.

How do you propose educating people correctly, without it also getting warped?

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Q isn't education. I mean like, funding schools lol. It is a slow process done over time. Our country is fucked and band aids just make us feel better tbh

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Let's fund education too! I'm totally on board with that.

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Biden ordering DoJ to end private prison contracts

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Not_an_Owl posted...

Term limits are a terrible idea. I'm much more in favor of mandatory retirement ages. If you're old enough to collect social security you're too old to be in Congress.

I think it'd be better to put age limits at the start of their terms rather than letting people win reelection just to be forced out. I'd go with younger than 75 for senators and younger than 80 for representatives, though. 65 seems way too low for some reason (though it does about right as an age limit for president)
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Hey I'm fine with funding schools too!

But then you also have to realize that the leader of the sedition caucus is Stanford and Yale educated.

And then you start to wonder if humanity itself is just inherently flawed and collectively unredeemable.

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Wanglicious posted...

like one of the main question to be answered is why does this phone have access to these nudes. doesn't seem like anybody has an actual answer

masterplum posted...

She randomly has her daughters nudes

...Did you guys even look into it before posting? It's a picture of a phone with the picture, not just a picture itself. She didn't just randomly have nudes on her own phone, they were on another phone that she took a picture of. And there's literally been video of her yelling at her daughter threatening to take her phone away. So the simple answer is... She had her daughter's phone.

EDIT: Now if that's already come out as impossible, then okay, I get the confusion, but...

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Peace___Frog posted...

Biden ordering DoJ to end private prison contracts

Yooooo

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California life

https://twitter.com/MattGrippi/status/1353782459691753473?s=20

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Xeybozn posted...

I think it'd be better to put age limits at the start of their terms rather than letting people win reelection just to be forced out. I'd go with younger than 75 for senators and younger than 80 for representatives, though. 65 seems way too low for some reason (though it does about right as an age limit for president)

fun reminder again this is what we have in Canada - 75 for senators & Supreme Court judges (nothing for our House tho I believe)

of course our senate functions much differently in the first place (appointed, largely not affiliated with parties, broader regional division than just x amount per province) but hey

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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1354149156001034240?s=19

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Peace___Frog posted...

Biden ordering DoJ to end private prison contracts

Didn't Obama do this at the very end of his term too? Then Trump immediately undid it iirc. I guess doing it at the very start of the term means that it might be able to carry forward via inertia

UshiromiyaEva posted...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1354149156001034240?s=19

*crying Wojak with a MAGA hat meme* "HE'S CLEARLY IN COGNITIVE DECLINE"

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