Board 8 > Coronavirus Topic 13: Back to Normal: The Finale: Take 1

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Had my second Pfizer shot yesterday and I feel fine other than slight soreness in my arm. I've been very fortunate with my covid and vaccine experience.

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https://twitter.com/noahpinion/status/1396337880411217920?s=21

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The problem is always going to be people who refuse to get the vaccines I fear over the vaccines themselves.

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So I went to an Aldi's (supermarket) the other day, and the sign at the door said you don't need a mask if you're vaccinated. Awesome. So I walk in and I felt like a mutant as I was literally the only person not wearing a mask. No one said anything to me but I still felt grossly out of place.

The next day I was at a strip mall and every store (Target, Best Buy, another supermarket, etc.) still all had signs to wear a mask.

We're never going to get beyond this if places don't actually start allowing vaccinated people to go maskless.

I feel like I'm going to just have to start not wearing one and then have someone tell me I need to, if necessary.

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Seanchan posted...

We're never going to get beyond this if places don't actually start allowing vaccinated people to go maskless.

This has absolutely nothing to do with getting beyond this with case levels where they are at in most places at this point.

Unless we are checking vaccine records at the door most places should maintain masks indoors for now.

Leafeon13N posted...

This has absolutely nothing to do with getting beyond this with case levels where they are at in most places at this point.

Unless we are checking vaccine records at the door most places should maintain masks indoors for now.

I'm in a highly vaccinated area and case levels are literally as low as they've been since the beginning of the pandemic.

I guess we'll just continue with masks for healthy, vaccinated people forever because we're never, ever getting rid of COVID completely.

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In MA, some regulations were dropped last week, the rest are gone on the 29th. The mask order will still be required at hospitals etc.

My experiences - went to a diner yesterday, it was packed, first time they had a line since regulations started.

HS track and field meet, crowded, no masks, great to see. Lots of softball and baseball games at the fields, few masks. Good to see all around - remember, even those masked families are out with the crowds.

Ice cream stand, have to wear mask while in line and then you can go off to the side and take it off. There was one father/daughter MAGA family that didn't want to wear masks in line and didn't get service.

I imagine I'll keep wearing a mask indoors for a little bit. I'm a 90+ year old person's caretaker, my daughter is in a little 'pod' with another kid who gets taken care of by someone at-risk, and I'd like to visit my grandmother with less worry.

I think you'll see a lot of people still wearing masks because they feel like it's the right thing to do for a little while longer, but happy to shop at a place where other people don't have to.

Some of those big box stores are well versed in litigation and aren't going to follow "you can take off your mask if you're vaccinated" guidelines just yet. And yeah I think they are going to cater to the people that are hesitant because those people can shop online just as easily.

I don't think we've had consistent leadership on the COVID front. And the biggest consistent sane voice is Fauci, and he says we'll be back to normal next May.

It's gonna be a weird summer for a lot of people, but hopefully we can stay in good shape for the fall.

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Canada has crossed the 50% of the total population with its first shot mark. Within the next two weeks we should be pushing 60%. At that point, I hope we start switching to give people their second dose.

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My county has stalled out in the 40-50% vaccinated range.

Been in the 40s for a month now and vaccinations are down to the point where it's only being done in pharmacies and you dont even need an appointment because demand is so low.

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Nanis23 posted...

Oh yeah it's been a long while since I posted a update on my health state since I was diagonised with Covid back in October
Looks like I have Long Covid and it sucks
I usually have a "it will get better" "the body will heal itself" mentality but after half a year I think it's time to cave in - I have a lung health check next week

So the doctor did some basic tests and said everything is fine
But he referred me to lungs CT scan and a breathing test just in case
Today I had a breathing test and the doctor said the results are good
And next month (god damn it) I am going back to the first doctor and show him the scan results
And if he tells me that the scan results are good too...then wtf
I am not imagining this. Also I am totally not sure if I want them to find something wrong or not
Like...I know there is something wrong. But if they can't see it maybe it isn't that bad and will pass?
Or they just suck?

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My county is currently at 72% of 12+ partially vaccinated and 62% fully. I'm very glad my county has been on top of vaccinations and also is not filled with idiots.

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My county is only like 55% of 12+ partially vaccinated. It's below the Virginia average and I was getting worried about our infection rate being the highest in the state.

But then suddenly over the past week we've seen only 4 cases.

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Seanchan posted...

So I went to an Aldi's (supermarket) the other day, and the sign at the door said you don't need a mask if you're vaccinated. Awesome. So I walk in and I felt like a mutant as I was literally the only person not wearing a mask. No one said anything to me but I still felt grossly out of place.

The next day I was at a strip mall and every store (Target, Best Buy, another supermarket, etc.) still all had signs to wear a mask.

We're never going to get beyond this if places don't actually start allowing vaccinated people to go maskless.

I feel like I'm going to just have to start not wearing one and then have someone tell me I need to, if necessary.

Just don't wear one then, it's that simple. Most places aren't gonna say or do anything.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1396627513548365835

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Nanis23 posted...

So the doctor did some basic tests and said everything is fine
But he referred me to lungs CT scan and a breathing test just in case
Today I had a breathing test and the doctor said the results are good
And next month (god damn it) I am going back to the first doctor and show him the scan results
And if he tells me that the scan results are good too...then wtf
I am not imagining this. Also I am totally not sure if I want them to find something wrong or not
Like...I know there is something wrong. But if they can't see it maybe it isn't that bad and will pass?
Or they just suck?

Why do you think you have it, Nanis? Any symptoms etc.?
Anyway, if you're not sure you can get a third opinion.

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I still cant believe we held the Eurovision contest in our country when we're so behind on everyone else.
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I still can't believe we're hosting the literal Olympics

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MZero posted...

I still can't believe we're hosting the literal Olympics

Isnt Japan doing a terrible job with vaccinations too?

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Isnt Japan doing a terrible job with vaccinations too?

Yup.

Considering the average vaccination rate of the countries set to have the most athletes at the Olympics and the fact the IOC is giving vaccines to athletes prior to the Olympics we could have the situation where it's the Japanese public who may be too dangerous for the athletes and not the other way around.

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Olympics are going to do what they do best by leaving behind nothing but devastation to the local area.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Isnt Japan doing a terrible job with vaccinations too?

Yup. Vaccinations for the elderly barely started last month. Less than 5% of the population has gotten at least 1 shot and about 2% are fully vaccinated

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Raka_Putra posted...

Why do you think you have it, Nanis? Any symptoms etc.?
Anyway, if you're not sure you can get a third opinion.

I had Covid back in October 2020
Ever since I "recovered" from it my lungs are fucked
But the doctors are saying everything looks fine

So I am not sure, am I imagining this or what :|

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I can't wait until the 7-day average of cases in the US falls to 4 digits. And hopefully that truly does happen here in a couple of weeks. We're also getting to an interesting point now with the weather because June 9th was the beginning of the trend back upward last year heading into the summer wave.

Though a key difference from last year is that back then states like Texas, California, Arizona and most of the South were very clearly heading upward starting around mid-May. It was just that the earlier, more critically hit places in the US were trending down at a faster rate up until that date.

That isn't happening this year, as far as I can tell.

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It's unlikely for the US to have a bad summer. 41% of the population is now fully vaccinated with another 10% waiting to get a second dose. Add in that over 10% of the population is confirmed to have gotten covid naturally (and many more probably got it and didn't test for it) and it's clear there just aren't the numbers to reach the same heights as last year.

Of course there will be local flare-ups as the distribution of vaccinated/already infected isn't even.

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Canada is about a week away from surpassing Israel in terms of 1st doses.

Only 6% with the second dose, though that pace has quicken and will likely spike once we run out of eager people to get their first (possibly in 2-3 weeks or around 70% of the total population)

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My friend who has been donating plasma post-Covid for 15 months still has really good antibody count.

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I am finally gonna get my first shot this month. Wooo...
Was hoping they'd tell me which vaccine it would be tho (it will be either Pfizer or Moderna)
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Finally got my first jab (Pfizer) just an hour ago. They only have just started vaccinating my age group (20's) last week.

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https://exclaim.ca/music/article/canadians_with_the_astrazeneca_vaccine_are_being_barred_from_concerts_in_the_u_s

huh wonder why there are restrictions on the 2+ million Canadians who got the astrazeneca vaccine

i was told from my government this was safe and perfectly reliable who could have ever seen this coming

Kureejii Lea posted...

https://exclaim.ca/music/article/canadians_with_the_astrazeneca_vaccine_are_being_barred_from_concerts_in_the_u_s

huh wonder why there are restrictions on the 2+ million Canadians who got the astrazeneca vaccine

i was told from my government this was safe and perfectly reliable who could have ever seen this coming

That's because the vaccine isn't approved in the United States, did you read the article?

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I've attended a few outdoor gatherings (graduation ceremony, town trade fair festival) and it was like 98% mask-free. It was really nice. I'm glad to live in MA. No one wears a mask at work (it's not a crowded environment, otherwise I'd probably put one on). Still wearing a mask to the store though it's definitely becoming less of a thing. I haven't been to a store in a week but when I went, it was probably 50/50.

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https://www.stltoday.com/lifestyles/health-med-fit/coronavirus/article_9e1c37a3-c4bb-5966-a4b6-12709e60bc26.html

Fortunately there won't be the same case-to-death rate that was seen in previous waves since older demographics have higher vaccination rates, but there's still a pretty huge number of people susceptible people in states like Missouri. Supposedly the Delta variant is causing more severe disease, but I'm still on the fence about how real that is. I remember the same alleged trend of "more frequent hospitalizations among younger people" going on when the British/Alpha variant was taking hold and then finally after a few months that was disproven.

But until then it should be treated as a possibility.

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My hospital system just announced mandatory COVID vaccines for employment. Guess Ill have a few coworkers that quit or retire!

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Got a vaccination scheduled for Saturday 2 weeks from now, it's Sinovac.
Here's hoping it doesn't kick my ass too much.

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Got Pfizer 1st dose with no symptoms other than a sore arm a month and a half ago then got Moderna as my 2nd dose a couple days ago and it whooped my ass.

Feeling better now and it's very nice to be done. I'm low-key hoping the Modernizer combo ends up being OP.

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UltimaterializerX posted...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/25/delta-who-urges-fully-vaccinated-people-to-continue-to-wear-masks-as-variant-spreads.html

The vaccine works, so of course right on cue another variant magically appears so they can try to have another lockdown.

The downside of vaccines (and antibiotics) is that it selects for resistant mutants to become the dominant strain. Yearly injections will become a necessity, just like the flu shot.

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Okay but the flu shot was never actually a necessary shot in the first place unless you were old or had a compromised immunity?

I mean making a new shot each year will be necessary just like the flu shot.

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If youre someone who felt the need to get a flu shot every year then sure but the vast majority of people never did in the first place

First shot of Moderna a month ago gave me a sore arm, and maybe a little fatigue.

This second one (got it on Thursday) was also sore arm, but added in upper body aches (lower body was fine weirdly), mild fever, headache, a little dizzy, and very fatigued. Mostly better today, just a sore neck and tired, but yesterday was fairly rough.

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Got my 1st Pfizer finally. Lets see how this goes.
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That's pretty concerning, it's a small sample size, but that lines up with the current vaccination rate of the UK (source was Public Health England so I assume that's where those numbers came from). This basically suggests that the vaccine doesn't provide much effect against the variant (again this is a very small sample size)

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If there are more vaccinated people than unvaccinated people in the area (which there are in the UK among adults, and it's even more skewed towards older, more vulnerable populations) that is still perfectly consistent with the vaccine providing some protection against death from the delta variant.

(To make this more obvious, imagine that the entire population was vaccinated; clearly in this case all deaths would be among vaccinated people regardless of how protective the vaccine is).

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Kureejii Lea posted...

Bit of background on this. Every single one of the 50 fully vaccinated deaths were people over the age of 50.

This does not hold true of the unvaccinated/partially vaccinated group.

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So like are they just trying to make it sound scarier?

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Assuming those are UK numbers, 84% of the adult population has at least one dose:

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/?_ga=2.97525977.754483150.1624008312-2068559630.1612166107

so the raw numbers being higher isn't as concerning as it looks. Infection rate and deaths per infection would have been more interesting to see

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