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ParanoidObsessive 08/19/20 6:09:06 AM #151:	wolfy42 posted... but I never heard/listened to the radio broadcast. I think I will save that for when I'm traveling somewhere, it would be pretty freaking awesome actually. Just for reference, it's about six hours long. There are 12 episodes, each one's about a half-hour long. Since you're aware of the story from other versions, the breakdown goes like this - the show was divided into two "Phases", the Primary Phase and the Secondary Phase. The Primary Phase is the first six episodes of the show, and the Secondary Phase is technically the last five (Episode 7, in-between the two, was originally meant as a stand-alone Christmas episode). Though most people just divide it up as 6 and 6 (or about 3 hours each). The plot of the radio episodes is basically the plot of the first two books - the first book is literally just the first four episodes of the radio show, rewritten and expanded a bit, but mostly the same things happening in the same order for the same reasons. Restaurant at the End of the Universe is episode 5-6 of the radio show and some elements from episodes 7-10, though they're in a completely mixed-up order and a lot of the radio show never made it to the books (if you listen to the radio show, things will start getting unfamiliar in the Secondary Phase episodes). The novels then go into entirely new material starting with LUE, and just sort of become their own thing. When they did the TV show, they filmed the six episodes in the same order as the radio show (so it's basically just the Primary Phase), but with elements from the books incorporated in (like Hotblack Desiato), so it's sort of a weird hybrid of the two. And again, because of that, the Primary Phase episodes of the radio show (1-6) are going to be fairly familiar to you, but the Secondary Phase (7-12) episodes are going to get more and more unfamiliar as you go. They eventually did a Tertiary Phase radio show (like 25 years later and after Douglas Adams was dead), but it's mostly just an adaptation of LUE, and it directly retcons most of the Secondary Phase, so I kind of hate it. Radio show Ford and Trillian are still my favorite versions of the characters, though. Arthur and Zaphod are the same actors as the TV show. wolfy42 posted... We seem to have very similar taste, so i'm pretty sure you have already watched Red Dwarf Yeeeeessssssss. Have seasons 1-7 on DVD. Kind of hate the show after that. Though honestly, the show sort of peaked between seasons 4-6, and took a huge blow when Craig Charles had to take a couple years off to deal with (apparently spurious) rape allegations and the Grant/Naylor writing partnership broke up. Basically, the early seasons were a perfect blend of comedy and sci-fi, and Rob Grant and Doug Naylor admitted they both had their own strengths (Grant was the comedy guy, Naylor was the sci-fi guy). Once they split and Naylor takes full control over the show, it starts to move away from comedy and more into harder and harder sci-fi, and I get less and less interested. You can kind of see the difference in the novels as well - the first two novels are collaborations, but then the last two are split (Grant writes one, Naylor writes the other). And you can definitely tell the difference between Naylor's novel and Grant's novel. Then the big gap between Season 8 and Back to Earth/Season X (10 years) kind of disrupts the entire feel of the show so the newer seasons don't really feel like the original ones did. It almost feels like someone pretending to do Red Dwarf rather than actually BEING Red Dwarf. As an aside, though, I love the theme song. Not so much the jazzy version of the theme song they use in later seasons (though that's also good), but more the original, instrumental one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrNLLvAokO8 Though I also like the "fun" version with the lyrics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8b4NQhMZms The incidental music on the show was great in general, though. It was really good at conveying mood. Especially in the moments where they were sort of letting the comedy lie to the side while they tried to gut you emotionally. wolfy42 posted... the books are good too I never really liked the books. Part of it was that the tone always felt off from that of the show, but the first two at least, and they mostly explored aspects of the story I was never overly interested in. In some ways, they felt like novels based on what the show was originally supposed to be in the first couple of seasons, not what it eventually became in seasons 3-6. It was kind of like the parts of Red Dwarf that weren't necessarily the parts that made me LIKE Red Dwarf. Part of that's the lack of the charm that the specific actors each bring to their roles, as well as the presentation of a live-action scene as opposed to a written one. On top of which, I basically bought the books because I already loved the TV show, so my nostalgia made me judge them more harshly (sort of like the reverse of people who read books first criticizing films for being poor adaptations). --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:943561653] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote><cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>but I never heard/listened to the radio broadcast. I think I will save that for when I'm traveling somewhere, it would be pretty freaking awesome actually.</quote> Just for reference, it's about six hours long. There are 12 episodes, each one's about a half-hour long. Since you're aware of the story from other versions, the breakdown goes like this - the show was divided into two "Phases", the Primary Phase and the Secondary Phase. The Primary Phase is the first six episodes of the show, and the Secondary Phase is technically the last five (Episode 7, in-between the two, was originally meant as a stand-alone Christmas episode). Though most people just divide it up as 6 and 6 (or about 3 hours each). The plot of the radio episodes is basically the plot of the first two books - the first book is literally just the first four episodes of the radio show, rewritten and expanded a bit, but mostly the same things happening in the same order for the same reasons. Restaurant at the End of the Universe is episode 5-6 of the radio show and some elements from episodes 7-10, though they're in a completely mixed-up order and a lot of the radio show never made it to the books (if you listen to the radio show, things will start getting unfamiliar in the Secondary Phase episodes). The novels then go into entirely new material starting with LUE, and just sort of become their own thing. When they did the TV show, they filmed the six episodes in the same order as the radio show (so it's basically just the Primary Phase), but with elements from the books incorporated in (like Hotblack Desiato), so it's sort of a weird hybrid of the two. And again, because of that, the Primary Phase episodes of the radio show (1-6) are going to be fairly familiar to you, but the Secondary Phase (7-12) episodes are going to get more and more unfamiliar as you go. They eventually did a Tertiary Phase radio show (like 25 years later and after Douglas Adams was dead), but it's mostly just an adaptation of LUE, and it directly retcons most of the Secondary Phase, so I kind of hate it. Radio show Ford and Trillian are still my favorite versions of the characters, though. Arthur and Zaphod are the same actors as the TV show. <cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>We seem to have very similar taste, so i'm pretty sure you have already watched Red Dwarf</quote> Yeeeeessssssss. Have seasons 1-7 on DVD. Kind of hate the show after that. Though honestly, the show sort of peaked between seasons 4-6, and took a huge blow when Craig Charles had to take a couple years off to deal with (apparently spurious) rape allegations and the Grant/Naylor writing partnership broke up. Basically, the early seasons were a perfect blend of comedy and sci-fi, and Rob Grant and Doug Naylor admitted they both had their own strengths (Grant was the comedy guy, Naylor was the sci-fi guy). Once they split and Naylor takes full control over the show, it starts to move away from comedy and more into harder and harder sci-fi, and I get less and less interested. You can kind of see the difference in the novels as well - the first two novels are collaborations, but then the last two are split (Grant writes one, Naylor writes the other). And you can definitely tell the difference between Naylor's novel and Grant's novel. Then the big gap between Season 8 and Back to Earth/Season X (10 years) kind of disrupts the entire feel of the show so the newer seasons don't really feel like the original ones did. It almost feels like someone pretending to do Red Dwarf rather than actually BEING Red Dwarf. As an aside, though, I love the theme song. Not so much the jazzy version of the theme song they use in later seasons (though that's also good), but more the original, instrumental one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrNLLvAokO8 Though I also like the "fun" version with the lyrics: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8b4NQhMZms The incidental music on the show was great in general, though. It was really good at conveying mood. Especially in the moments where they were sort of letting the comedy lie to the side while they tried to gut you emotionally. <cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>the books are good too</quote> I never really liked the books. Part of it was that the tone always felt off from that of the show, but the first two at least, and they mostly explored aspects of the story I was never overly interested in. In some ways, they felt like novels based on what the show was originally supposed to be in the first couple of seasons, not what it eventually became in seasons 3-6. It was kind of like the parts of Red Dwarf that weren't necessarily the parts that made me LIKE Red Dwarf. Part of that's the lack of the charm that the specific actors each bring to their roles, as well as the presentation of a live-action scene as opposed to a written one. On top of which, I basically bought the books because I already loved the TV show, so my nostalgia made me judge them more harshly (sort of like the reverse of people who read books first criticizing films for being poor adaptations).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/19/20 6:19:47 AM #152:	ParanoidObsessive posted... THIS is not that, but now I'm posting it anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec729nmajwc Thought that would be a rendition of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xi79uEDbag --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:943561746] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>THIS is not that, but now I'm posting it anyway: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec729nmajwc </quote> Thought that would be a rendition of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xi79uEDbag </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 08/19/20 7:37:15 AM #153:	I'm not sure whether my Playstation 4 died or my power cord died, but the bloody thing isn't turning on. I had Bank Robber taken a look at it too, and we concluded the same thing. I'm hoing to buy a new power cord today, but if that doesn't work then I'll just buy a PS5 and not worry about my ps4 anymore. I glossed over the most important part, which is I've healed enough after stomach surgery to move around and play games again. I get a heavy dose of "Sodium Thiosulphate 3 times a week, and I found out it's used in cyanide poisoning and cancer treatments, which is why I'm nauseous for hours after I leave dialysis. It's worth the sickness to feel better again. I hope my Playstation 4 feels better again after cord surgery. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:943562581] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure whether my Playstation 4 died or my power cord died, but the bloody thing isn't turning on. I had Bank Robber taken a look at it too, and we concluded the same thing. I'm hoing to buy a new power cord today, but if that doesn't work then I'll just buy a PS5 and not worry about my ps4 anymore. I glossed over the most important part, which is I've healed enough after stomach surgery to move around and play games again. I get a heavy dose of "Sodium Thiosulphate 3 times a week, and I found out it's used in cyanide poisoning and cancer treatments, which is why I'm nauseous for hours after I leave dialysis. It's worth the sickness to feel better again. I hope my Playstation 4 feels better again after cord surgery. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/19/20 7:47:08 AM #154:	Zeus posted... Thought that would be a rendition of this No... but at least it wasn't this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IocRCDWB5k Though usually, when I'm talking about "Irish music", I tend to default to these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhdqHSN2kt4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCnGD6xv5ik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYGyERe2Vbw My friends and I used to listen to a lot of that when we'd head down to Wildwood for a week and get drunk during the South Jersey Irish festivals. So much so that most of my friends played Celtic Symphony during their weddings just so we could dance to it (and the dancing is moderately ridiculous). I do like Patty Gurdy, though. She's German, but her style (and the hurdy gurdy itself) makes her sound more Irish (or swashbuckler - "pirate music" tends to be very heavily influenced by the Irish): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyIXR3s8OtY Though lately she's been doing music professionally for TV, which is also cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvTaHop6f7g --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:943562745] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Thought that would be a rendition of this</quote> No... but at least it wasn't this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IocRCDWB5k Though usually, when I'm talking about "Irish music", I tend to default to these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhdqHSN2kt4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCnGD6xv5ik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-64CaD8GXw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYGyERe2Vbw My friends and I used to listen to a lot of that when we'd head down to Wildwood for a week and get drunk during the South Jersey Irish festivals. So much so that most of my friends played Celtic Symphony during their weddings just so we could dance to it (and the dancing is moderately ridiculous). I do like Patty Gurdy, though. She's German, but her style (and the hurdy gurdy itself) makes her sound more Irish (or swashbuckler - "pirate music" tends to be very heavily influenced by the Irish): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyIXR3s8OtY Though lately she's been doing music professionally for TV, which is also cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvTaHop6f7g</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 08/19/20 10:01:36 AM #155:	https://youtu.be/89NjEeHku8o https://youtu.be/ZcLpNP8jwRo --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:943565571] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/89NjEeHku8o https://youtu.be/ZcLpNP8jwRo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/19/20 1:42:29 PM #156:	Oh I remember watching the animated Hobbit as a kid. Not sure where I was watching it since I guarantee my mom wouldn't have let me watch something like that. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:943573099] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>Oh I remember watching the animated Hobbit as a kid. Not sure where I was watching it since I guarantee my mom wouldn't have let me watch something like that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/19/20 2:00:11 PM #157:	https://youtu.be/_kwG2Z1fY-0 https://youtu.be/N1FuYO43ShI --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:943573746] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>https://youtu.be/_kwG2Z1fY-0 https://youtu.be/N1FuYO43ShI </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 08/20/20 2:24:20 AM #158:	A rumor came out today that Halo: Infinite was partly delayed, and looked like hot ass because of a split in departments between the video game production teams, and the television production teams. Later that day 343 said that this isn't true, and that the production of the long in development Halo television series had nothing to do with the game being pushed back, and delayed until sometime in 2020. 343 also claimed that outsourcing of parts of the game to smaller studios didn't go as planned, and that's why we got the pop up demo we got. As usual with rumors I think it's a tale of a little from column A and a little from column B. I think a lot of the focus from the game was shifted to the television show, but I think the demo shown at the sex box showcase was what 343 intended based on a game that started development for the xbone one, and was just ported to the sex box with upscale visuals and framerate. Basically Halo: Infinite is an open world Xbox One game, and a delay to next year isn't going to change that at all. Still, the game should look a lot better than it did after 5 years of development and half a billion dollars of production money spent. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:943598853] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>A rumor came out today that Halo: Infinite was partly delayed, and looked like hot ass because of a split in departments between the video game production teams, and the television production teams. Later that day 343 said that this isn't true, and that the production of the long in development Halo television series had nothing to do with the game being pushed back, and delayed until sometime in 2020. 343 also claimed that outsourcing of parts of the game to smaller studios didn't go as planned, and that's why we got the pop up demo we got. As usual with rumors I think it's a tale of a little from column A and a little from column B. I think a lot of the focus from the game was shifted to the television show, but I think the demo shown at the sex box showcase was what 343 intended based on a game that started development for the xbone one, and was just ported to the sex box with upscale visuals and framerate. Basically Halo: Infinite is an open world Xbox One game, and a delay to next year isn't going to change that at all. Still, the game should look a lot better than it did after 5 years of development and half a billion dollars of production money spent. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/20/20 3:31:52 AM #159:	Has Halo ever been totally open-world before? --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:943599832] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>Has Halo ever been totally open-world before? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 08/20/20 1:21:30 PM #160:	Metalsonic66 posted... Has Halo ever been totally open-world before? No, not to my knowledge. I mean it's super ambitious, but it seems more in line with what Bungie is doing with Destiny than 343 with Halo. Every game series needs to evole, but if you're not going to do it right then don't do it at all. 343 isn't doing it right at all. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:943612810] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>Metalsonic66 posted... </cite> <quote>Has Halo ever been totally open-world before?</quote> No, not to my knowledge. I mean it's super ambitious, but it seems more in line with what Bungie is doing with Destiny than 343 with Halo. Every game series needs to evole, but if you're not going to do it right then don't do it at all. 343 isn't doing it right at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/20/20 2:42:38 PM #161:	The Wave Master posted... Later that day 343 said that this isn't true To be fair, they'd say this even if it was 100% true. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:943615820] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>Later that day 343 said that this isn't true</quote> To be fair, they'd say this even if it was 100% true.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 08/21/20 5:55:59 AM #162:	Taking some time to clean. Over the past few days I've found: -My PSP (but not the charging cable) -My Dothack CCG starter deck cards (that I never learned how to play) -Some of my Magi-Nation cards -More videogames still in their shrinkwrap >_< And I've come across a lot of Skylanders and Disney Infinity figures, I think mostly from the clearances. While DI had some good designs (which I liked more than the character in some cases -- I'm looking at you, Finn and Rey!), their stupid round bases make them a bitch to display because you can't really put them next to each other. Granted, a lot of them are best left MOC anyway. I also still have that one mouse where the "batteries included" ruined it before I ever used it. The annoying thing is even if I find one identical to it, the fact that it was packed with batteries probably means it suffered the same fate. Really like the design, though, which has some bird silhouettes. Oh, and I've found even more toothpaste. Guess I really snapped up quite a lot of it when there were sales running. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| Scientists are finally waking up to what pyramids have known all along. <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:943641364] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>Taking some time to clean. Over the past few days I've found: -My PSP (but not the charging cable) -My Dothack CCG starter deck cards (that I never learned how to play) -Some of my Magi-Nation cards -More videogames still in their shrinkwrap >_< And I've come across a lot of Skylanders and Disney Infinity figures, I think mostly from the clearances. While DI had some good designs (which I liked more than the character in some cases -- I'm looking at you, Finn and Rey!), their stupid round bases make them a bitch to display because you can't really put them next to each other. Granted, a lot of them are best left MOC anyway. I also still have that one mouse where the "batteries included" ruined it before I ever used it. The annoying thing is even if I find one identical to it, the fact that it was packed with batteries probably means it suffered the same fate. Really like the design, though, which has some bird silhouettes. Oh, and I've found even more toothpaste. Guess I really snapped up quite a lot of it when there were sales running. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 08/21/20 9:00:14 AM #163:	Renee Young put in her notice with WWE. It was a long time coming, but probably made a lot easier when she got covid from work. They also weren't testing on a regular basis at WWE until a little over a month ago, that's when she got the virus at the performance center. Her husband being the top guy at AEW doesn't hurt either. People have criticized Roman Reigns for not wanting to work and canceling his match at Manila with Goldberg, but if safety standards aren't in place how can he be expected to show up to work with already being immune compromised, and having new borns at home? Then Brock Lesnar will rear his milk dud ass head after Summerslam, and i dislike him so much as both a wrestler and performer. He's dangerous and not fun to watch in my opinion, unless he's losing. There's more wrestling stuff, but I'll talk about that later. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:943644087] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>Renee Young put in her notice with WWE. It was a long time coming, but probably made a lot easier when she got covid from work. They also weren't testing on a regular basis at WWE until a little over a month ago, that's when she got the virus at the performance center. Her husband being the top guy at AEW doesn't hurt either. People have criticized Roman Reigns for not wanting to work and canceling his match at Manila with Goldberg, but if safety standards aren't in place how can he be expected to show up to work with already being immune compromised, and having new borns at home? Then Brock Lesnar will rear his milk dud ass head after Summerslam, and i dislike him so much as both a wrestler and performer. He's dangerous and not fun to watch in my opinion, unless he's losing. There's more wrestling stuff, but I'll talk about that later. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 08/21/20 5:06:31 PM #164:	The Wave Master posted... Renee Young put in her notice with WWE. Was never a fan, tbh. She's hot, but her delivery and acting always kinda sucked. The Wave Master posted... but probably made a lot easier when she got covid from work Oo The Wave Master posted... Her husband being the top guy at AEW doesn't hurt either. tbh, the last I heard of her personal life she was with Dean Ambrose... wait, that's what Dean Ambrose looks like now?! wtf! Didn't recognize him between the beard and bulking up a bit. The Wave Master posted... People have criticized Roman Reigns for not wanting to work and canceling his match at Manila with Goldberg, but if safety standards aren't in place how can he be expected to show up to work with already being immune compromised, and having new borns at home? Mostly because the WWE has repeatedly had champs who put the job first whereas Reigns has always been a paycheck champ, probably as much as Lesnar. As much as I dislike Cena, could you imagine him sitting out all this time when he was the golden boy? It'd be unthinkable. But yeah, Reigns has some legitimate concerns both between his health and having kids. The Wave Master posted... Then Brock Lesnar will rear his milk dud ass head after Summerslam, and i dislike him so much as both a wrestler and performer. He's dangerous and not fun to watch in my opinion, unless he's losing. I don't like Lesnar any more than Reigns since neither one has any passion for the industry. However, at least Lesnar has credibility and is heavier on the power moves. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| Scientists are finally waking up to what pyramids have known all along. <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:943659528] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>The Wave Master posted... </cite> <quote>Renee Young put in her notice with WWE.</quote> Was never a fan, tbh. She's hot, but her delivery and acting always kinda sucked. The Wave Master posted... </cite> <quote>but probably made a lot easier when she got covid from work</quote> Oo The Wave Master posted... </cite> <quote>Her husband being the top guy at AEW doesn't hurt either.</quote> tbh, the last I heard of her personal life she was with Dean Ambrose... wait, that's what Dean Ambrose looks like now?! wtf! Didn't recognize him between the beard and bulking up a bit. The Wave Master posted... </cite> <quote>People have criticized Roman Reigns for not wanting to work and canceling his match at Manila with Goldberg, but if safety standards aren't in place how can he be expected to show up to work with already being immune compromised, and having new borns at home?</quote> Mostly because the WWE has repeatedly had champs who put the job first whereas Reigns has always been a paycheck champ, probably as much as Lesnar. As much as I dislike Cena, could you imagine him sitting out all this time when he was the golden boy? It'd be unthinkable. But yeah, Reigns has some legitimate concerns both between his health and having kids. The Wave Master posted... </cite> <quote>Then Brock Lesnar will rear his milk dud ass head after Summerslam, and i dislike him so much as both a wrestler and performer. He's dangerous and not fun to watch in my opinion, unless he's losing.</quote> I don't like Lesnar any more than Reigns since neither one has any passion for the industry. However, at least Lesnar has credibility and is heavier on the power moves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/22/20 3:07:25 AM #165:	Aaantlion posted... Was never a fan, tbh. She's hot, but her delivery and acting always kinda sucked I cut her slack because the thing most people criticize her for (when she was on commentary) was also the point where she was least capable of being "herself". When you've got an insane old man screaming at you in your headset talking about local medical facilities and championship opportunities and awkward forced marketing slogans for every "sports entertainer" ("He's an ordinary man who does extraordinary things!"), it's hard to be anything other than terrible. Even Michael Cole - the posterboy for literally everything wrong with WWE commentary - is apparently pretty good at the job when he doesn't have Vince in his headset. That's honestly a problem with a lot of the people in the WWE today - it's not so much that they're all charisma-vacuum dullards who can't act their way out of a paper bag (which is how most of them come across), it's more that when you overscript and overproduce every single line of dialogue, you get wooden performances. Just ask George Lucas. Renee got a lot of praise for Talking Smack (where Vince had the least influence), and she's got praise for being a pretty good wrestling analyst before she worked for the WWE (it's what got her hired in the first place). I could easily see her being an effective interviewer/analyst/commentator on AEW if she goes that way, or just a general sports analyst if she decides to try for a job with someone like Fox or ESPN instead (apparently she's gotten multiple offers from legit sports over the years and turned them down to stay with WWE, so if any of those offers are still on the table she's got multiple options). But then again, Mox is AEW champ, so there might be motivation to go there so the two can travel together and spend more time together. Aaantlion posted... As much as I dislike Cena, could you imagine him sitting out all this time when he was the golden boy? To be fair, if Cena had an immune deficiency disease of some kind where he could literally die from going to work, because his boss was a psychotic lunatic who thinks you can will away all disease if you try hard enough and that everyone who gets sick is just a pussy, I could easily see him saying "You know what? This isn't worth it." Cena was mostly the company golden boy at a time when he didn't really have all that many other options or obligations. It was before Hollywood was calling, and he was single and healthy and there wasn't a massive pandemic, so obviously when Vince starts furiously masturbating and telling you he's going to push you to the moon and everyone else in the company is going to job to you, you're going to play ball. It's easy to be the corporate guy when you've got nothing to lose and everything to gain (hell, Roman basically WAS that guy until earlier this year). With Roman, he's got a wife and kids, he's got health issues, and the WWE's "precautions" for dealing with Covid are pretty much a joke that borders on criminal irresponsibility, so he's got way more reasons to just sit out. It's like when people will occasionally shit on Steve Austin for "taking his ball and going home". Sure, you can say he didn't care about the business or he was being selfish or whatever, but when you actually know all the details, Austin was kind of 100% in the right in that situation, and pretty much fully justified in saying "Yeah, no, that doesn't really work for me". When you say stuff like "Oh, he didn't care about the business/fans/etc!", all you're really doing is parroting back the WWE party line that they used to kind of slander him at the time because god knows no one in that company will ever take responsibility for anything. Though honestly, why SHOULD anyone ever be loyal to that company in any way? If you're not one of Vince's pre-picked chosen few destined for greatness (or at least destined to be forced into the main event as hard as you can no matter how much the audience may hate you), he's never going to push you, and he's going to go out of his way to suppress and squelch any attempt you make to actually get yourself over. The company has repeatedly shown that it isn't loyal to its own employees (except in a rare few cases), so why should any of them be loyal to it? Hell, earlier this year was a good example of that, where it was kind of shown that WWE tries to lock employees into these iron-clad contracts where you have pretty much zero rights and they own everything you do and everything you are, while having almost no obligations of their own to you in return. When you sign a 5-year deal, YOU can't leave for 5 years (or even longer, if they start exploiting loopholes to tack injury time onto the end of your term), but THEY can arbitrarily fire you at any point for whatever reason they like with no consequences for themselves. All while forcing you to pay your own travel expenses and refusing to offer you health care because you're an "independent contractor". At this point, the paycheck is pretty much the only reason TO sign with the WWE. Then you just have to hope they don't decide to fire you a few weeks after you sign because they changed their minds (yay job security!). --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:943676694] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>Was never a fan, tbh. She's hot, but her delivery and acting always kinda sucked</quote> I cut her slack because the thing most people criticize her for (when she was on commentary) was also the point where she was least capable of being "herself". When you've got an insane old man screaming at you in your headset talking about local medical facilities and championship opportunities and awkward forced marketing slogans for every "sports entertainer" ("He's an ordinary man who does extraordinary things!"), it's hard to be anything other than terrible. Even Michael Cole - the posterboy for literally everything wrong with WWE commentary - is apparently pretty good at the job when he doesn't have Vince in his headset. That's honestly a problem with a lot of the people in the WWE today - it's not so much that they're all charisma-vacuum dullards who can't act their way out of a paper bag (which is how most of them come across), it's more that when you overscript and overproduce every single line of dialogue, you get wooden performances. Just ask George Lucas. Renee got a lot of praise for Talking Smack (where Vince had the least influence), and she's got praise for being a pretty good wrestling analyst before she worked for the WWE (it's what got her hired in the first place). I could easily see her being an effective interviewer/analyst/commentator on AEW if she goes that way, or just a general sports analyst if she decides to try for a job with someone like Fox or ESPN instead (apparently she's gotten multiple offers from legit sports over the years and turned them down to stay with WWE, so if any of those offers are still on the table she's got multiple options). But then again, Mox is AEW champ, so there might be motivation to go there so the two can travel together and spend more time together. <cite>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>As much as I dislike Cena, could you imagine him sitting out all this time when he was the golden boy?</quote> To be fair, if Cena had an immune deficiency disease of some kind where he could literally die from going to work, because his boss was a psychotic lunatic who thinks you can will away all disease if you try hard enough and that everyone who gets sick is just a pussy, I could easily see him saying "You know what? This isn't worth it." Cena was mostly the company golden boy at a time when he didn't really have all that many other options or obligations. It was before Hollywood was calling, and he was single and healthy and there wasn't a massive pandemic, so obviously when Vince starts furiously masturbating and telling you he's going to push you to the moon and everyone else in the company is going to job to you, you're going to play ball. It's easy to be the corporate guy when you've got nothing to lose and everything to gain (hell, Roman basically WAS that guy until earlier this year). With Roman, he's got a wife and kids, he's got health issues, and the WWE's "precautions" for dealing with Covid are pretty much a joke that borders on criminal irresponsibility, so he's got way more reasons to just sit out. It's like when people will occasionally shit on Steve Austin for "taking his ball and going home". Sure, you can say he didn't care about the business or he was being selfish or whatever, but when you actually know all the details, Austin was kind of 100% in the right in that situation, and pretty much fully justified in saying "Yeah, no, that doesn't really work for me". When you say stuff like "Oh, he didn't care about the business/fans/etc!", all you're really doing is parroting back the WWE party line that they used to kind of slander him at the time because god knows no one in that company will ever take responsibility for anything. Though honestly, why SHOULD anyone ever be loyal to that company in any way? If you're not one of Vince's pre-picked chosen few destined for greatness (or at least destined to be forced into the main event as hard as you can no matter how much the audience may hate you), he's never going to push you, and he's going to go out of his way to suppress and squelch any attempt you make to actually get yourself over. The company has repeatedly shown that it isn't loyal to its own employees (except in a rare few cases), so why should any of them be loyal to it? Hell, earlier this year was a good example of that, where it was kind of shown that WWE tries to lock employees into these iron-clad contracts where you have pretty much zero rights and they own everything you do and everything you are, while having almost no obligations of their own to you in return. When you sign a 5-year deal, YOU can't leave for 5 years (or even longer, if they start exploiting loopholes to tack injury time onto the end of your term), but THEY can arbitrarily fire you at any point for whatever reason they like with no consequences for themselves. All while forcing you to pay your own travel expenses and refusing to offer you health care because you're an "independent contractor". At this point, the paycheck is pretty much the only reason TO sign with the WWE. Then you just have to hope they don't decide to fire you a few weeks after you sign because they changed their minds (yay job security!).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 08/22/20 6:10:17 AM #166:	ParanoidObsessive posted... Cena was mostly the company golden boy at a time when he didn't really have all that many other options or obligations. It was before Hollywood was calling, If Hollywood is calling, they must have the wrong number. It's not like he's done all that much. Hell, I had to check his wikipedia to see what he's been in -- something I don't even have to do for Batista (who got big in the WWE right at the same time as Cena, but had major opportunities sooner and more consistently left to pursue other opportunities). ParanoidObsessive posted... It's like when people will occasionally shit on Steve Austin for "taking his ball and going home". Sure, you can say he didn't care about the business or he was being selfish or whatever, but when you actually know all the details, Austin was kind of 100% in the right in that situation, and pretty much fully justified in saying "Yeah, no, that doesn't really work for me". When you say stuff like "Oh, he didn't care about the business/fans/etc!", all you're really doing is parroting back the WWE party line that they used to kind of slander him at the time because god knows no one in that company will ever take responsibility for anything. Doesn't even Austin kinda regret that now? ParanoidObsessive posted... Though honestly, why SHOULD anyone ever be loyal to that company in any way? It's not a matter of being "loyal to the company" (although some wrestlers have had good careers simply for being company men and there's certainly something to be said for talent having long-term arrangements), it's about being loyal to the business. Indie guys like Bryan Danielson and John Moxly eat, sleep, and breathe wrestling. They're a world apart from somebody like Roman Reigns who only got into it because he saw the kind of success his cousin had. I've never been a fan of Bryan, but I can respect him. Even if I'm someday a Reigns fan -- and it won't be for his wrestling -- I'll never respect him... at least not as a wrestler. ParanoidObsessive posted... At this point, the paycheck is pretty much the only reason TO sign with the WWE. Then you just have to hope they don't decide to fire you a few weeks after you sign because they changed their minds (yay job security!). Those contracts would be tossed out if they tried firing you a week later. You can have whatever on paper, but good luck enforcing a non-compete under those conditions. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| Scientists are finally waking up to what pyramids have known all along. <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:943678912] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Cena was mostly the company golden boy at a time when he didn't really have all that many other options or obligations. It was before Hollywood was calling,</quote> If Hollywood is calling, they must have the wrong number. It's not like he's done all that much. Hell, I had to check his wikipedia to see what he's been in -- something I don't even have to do for Batista (who got big in the WWE right at the same time as Cena, but had major opportunities sooner and more consistently left to pursue other opportunities). ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>It's like when people will occasionally shit on Steve Austin for "taking his ball and going home". Sure, you can say he didn't care about the business or he was being selfish or whatever, but when you actually know all the details, Austin was kind of 100% in the right in that situation, and pretty much fully justified in saying "Yeah, no, that doesn't really work for me". When you say stuff like "Oh, he didn't care about the business/fans/etc!", all you're really doing is parroting back the WWE party line that they used to kind of slander him at the time because god knows no one in that company will ever take responsibility for anything.</quote> Doesn't even Austin kinda regret that now? ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Though honestly, why SHOULD anyone ever be loyal to that company in any way?</quote> It's not a matter of being "loyal to the company" (although some wrestlers have had good careers simply for being company men and there's certainly something to be said for talent having long-term arrangements), it's about being loyal to the business. Indie guys like Bryan Danielson and John Moxly eat, sleep, and breathe wrestling. They're a world apart from somebody like Roman Reigns who only got into it because he saw the kind of success his cousin had. I've never been a fan of Bryan, but I can respect him. Even if I'm someday a Reigns fan -- and it won't be for his wrestling -- I'll never respect him... at least not as a wrestler. ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>At this point, the paycheck is pretty much the only reason TO sign with the WWE. Then you just have to hope they don't decide to fire you a few weeks after you sign because they changed their minds (yay job security!).</quote> Those contracts would be tossed out if they tried firing you a week later. You can have whatever on paper, but good luck enforcing a non-compete under those conditions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 08/22/20 5:42:39 PM #167:	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kKuBK3LLorQ It doesn't look horrible, but I feel like the bar was set so low for me personally after the first Wonder Woman film, that this will be more of the same mediocrity. (Maybe much like how a film like Black Panther is made for me, a black urban male, a film like Wonder Woman was made for women, like my wife, who loves the first film, as I love Black Panther.) Which is a shame because I love Gal Godot and Chris Pine as Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor respectively. The bad CGI is going to be what it is, and I don't like Kristen Wig, but im going to get drugged to this film, and I hope it's not as predictable as the finsale of the first film. Spoiler guess for WW84.... My guess for the ending based on the trailer and the other DCEU films js that once Maxwell Lord us killed, locked up, and his wish granting machine is destroyed, Steve will disappear once again leaving Diana sad and alone, but she won't give up the fight. (Roll credits) --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:943696461] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kKuBK3LLorQ It doesn't look horrible, but I feel like the bar was set so low for me personally after the first Wonder Woman film, that this will be more of the same mediocrity. (Maybe much like how a film like Black Panther is made for me, a black urban male, a film like Wonder Woman was made for women, like my wife, who loves the first film, as I love Black Panther.) Which is a shame because I love Gal Godot and Chris Pine as Wonder Woman and Steve Trevor respectively. The bad CGI is going to be what it is, and I don't like Kristen Wig, but im going to get drugged to this film, and I hope it's not as predictable as the finsale of the first film. Spoiler guess for WW84.... My guess for the ending based on the trailer and the other DCEU films js that once Maxwell Lord us killed, locked up, and his wish granting machine is destroyed, Steve will disappear once again leaving Diana sad and alone, but she won't give up the fight. (Roll credits) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/22/20 5:47:33 PM #168:	Aaantlion posted... If Hollywood is calling, they must have the wrong number. It's not like he's done all that much. Hell, I had to check his wikipedia to see what he's been in -- something I don't even have to do for Batista (who got big in the WWE right at the same time as Cena, but had major opportunities sooner and more consistently left to pursue other opportunities). Let's be honest though, he's still done more than most. If you were ranking your list of top wrestlers-turned-actors, Cena would be right up there. Likely more so than either Hogan (who mostly starred in C-list films alongside his small role in Rocky III) or Piper (who had one memorable cult-hit film and a bunch of stinkers). Batista could potentially outrank him (Guardians pulls Batista up, but most of his other roles are either in much smaller films, or have him in bit-roles in larger movies), and the Rock is pretty clearly the #1 of all time, but Cena is very much seen as a Hollywood success (at least according to wrestler standards). (Possibly to the annoyance of HHH, whose own push towards acting failed miserably, or Edge, who sort of went into acting because he had no other choice, and who hasn't really seen the same level of mainstream acceptance or high-paying jobs.) Cena's almost certainly making more money (with much less effort) in Hollywood now than he was or still would be in wrestling - which is why he's NOT really in the WWE any more (apart from the occasional guest spot). It's also why he had both the clout and the motivation to turn down Saudi Arabia offers - he doesn't want to jeopardize his rep outside of the WWE. I would never paint him as "guy who loves the business" in the same way I would a Bryan Danielson or Mox. I'd probably lump him in the exact same category as guys like Hogan. Cena doesn't love the business or do what's best for the business - he loves Cena and does what's best for Cena. It's why you have moments like him politicking to go over the entire Nexus in spite of his own teammates (Jericho and Edge) saying it was a terrible idea, and why when they finally did beat him it just became an excuse for him to humiliate and belittle them for a few weeks so he could long stronger at their expense. Most of Cena's career was him always angling for the most personal advantage even when it was bad for others or the business as a whole. It's only towards the end as he's seen wrestling as less important to his personal value that he's been more willing to "give back". It's just that, for most of his career, what was "best for Cena" WAS what was "best for business" (at least in Vince's eyes), so his politicking was a bit less obvious than it was for someone like Hogan (especially in later years). It's easy to play the babyface who does whatever the company wants when everything the company is doing is what you want anyway. In the same vein, Roman has always come across as the company "yes man" who does what he's told very much in the Cena mold - because for most of his career, the company (Vince) was 112% behind him and pushing him to the moon anyway. This year is the first time where he really seems to be digging his heels in against the corporate will (and if we're honest, if things get more back to normal and he comes back next year, Vince will go right back to fellating him anyway). And that mostly because a) he's had at least some positive response to his own acting jobs, and b) because the world is currently self-destructing. For the first time he's seeing his own personal advantage and that of the WWE as being at odds, which is why he's pulling back. If Cena had been in a similar position in the past, I can easily see him doing exactly the same thing. Aaantlion posted... It's not a matter of being "loyal to the company" (although some wrestlers have had good careers simply for being company men and there's certainly something to be said for talent having long-term arrangements), it's about being loyal to the business. Indie guys like Bryan Danielson and John Moxly eat, sleep, and breathe wrestling. They're a world apart from somebody like Roman Reigns who only got into it because he saw the kind of success his cousin had. I've never been a fan of Bryan, but I can respect him. Even if I'm someday a Reigns fan -- and it won't be for his wrestling -- I'll never respect him... at least not as a wrestler. I wasn't really arguing against whether or not Roman was truly a paragon of wrestling dedication and love, as much as I was dismissing Cena as being that guy. Cena was never really that guy. Aaantlion posted... Doesn't even Austin kinda regret that now? In the sense that his own injuries eventually cut his career short so that essentially became his ending, yes. In the sense that he feels like he was in the wrong, not really. He generally says things like "I should have handled things differently", but he's never gone so far as to say he was wrong. Because, generally speaking, in that scenario, in the climate of the company at the time, he really wasn't. Though if anything, I think what he really regrets was the heel turn. It killed a lot of his own personal momentum (and the company's momentum) for no real gain. Which is part of why I feel like Vince has always been so damned resistant to people calling for a Cena heel turn or a Roman heel turn - in his eyes, it risks destroying their #1 babyface champion appeal forever. Even in cases where they don't really HAVE #1 babyface champion appeal in the first place coughRomancough. Aaantlion posted... Those contracts would be tossed out if they tried firing you a week later. You can have whatever on paper, but good luck enforcing a non-compete under those conditions. That's essentially what they did to Gallows and Anderson, though. They negotiated a deal at a time when they had bargaining power and multiple options. They took the most financially beneficial deal (with the WWE), but once circumstances changed (only a few months later), the WWE cut them without hesitation, knowing they no longer had bargaining power. So essentially, they signed a deal in good faith, then got fucked and dropped into a situation where they were much worse off than they would have been if they'd signed with literally anyone OTHER than the WWE. The WWE can easily enforce no-competes and exclusivity, but have no real enforceable obligations of their own. And because they're a large company with great lawyers, they can afford to take any potential disputes to court (and likely win) in spite of the fact that they're extremely abusive and potentially illegal contract requirements. When you say you'll work for the WWE for 5 years, you can't leave. When the WWE says you'll work for them for 5 years, they can fire you whenever they want. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:943696619] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>If Hollywood is calling, they must have the wrong number. It's not like he's done all that much. Hell, I had to check his wikipedia to see what he's been in -- something I don't even have to do for Batista (who got big in the WWE right at the same time as Cena, but had major opportunities sooner and more consistently left to pursue other opportunities).</quote> Let's be honest though, he's still done more than most. If you were ranking your list of top wrestlers-turned-actors, Cena would be right up there. Likely more so than either Hogan (who mostly starred in C-list films alongside his small role in Rocky III) or Piper (who had one memorable cult-hit film and a bunch of stinkers). Batista could potentially outrank him (Guardians pulls Batista up, but most of his other roles are either in much smaller films, or have him in bit-roles in larger movies), and the Rock is pretty clearly the #1 of all time, but Cena is very much seen as a Hollywood success (at least according to wrestler standards). (Possibly to the annoyance of HHH, whose own push towards acting failed miserably, or Edge, who sort of went into acting because he had no other choice, and who hasn't really seen the same level of mainstream acceptance or high-paying jobs.) Cena's almost certainly making more money (with much less effort) in Hollywood now than he was or still would be in wrestling - which is why he's NOT really in the WWE any more (apart from the occasional guest spot). It's also why he had both the clout and the motivation to turn down Saudi Arabia offers - he doesn't want to jeopardize his rep outside of the WWE. I would never paint him as "guy who loves the business" in the same way I would a Bryan Danielson or Mox. I'd probably lump him in the exact same category as guys like Hogan. Cena doesn't love the business or do what's best for the business - he loves Cena and does what's best for Cena. It's why you have moments like him politicking to go over the entire Nexus in spite of his own teammates (Jericho and Edge) saying it was a terrible idea, and why when they finally did beat him it just became an excuse for him to humiliate and belittle them for a few weeks so he could long stronger at their expense. Most of Cena's career was him always angling for the most personal advantage even when it was bad for others or the business as a whole. It's only towards the end as he's seen wrestling as less important to his personal value that he's been more willing to "give back". It's just that, for most of his career, what was "best for Cena" WAS what was "best for business" (at least in Vince's eyes), so his politicking was a bit less obvious than it was for someone like Hogan (especially in later years). It's easy to play the babyface who does whatever the company wants when everything the company is doing is what you want anyway. In the same vein, Roman has always come across as the company "yes man" who does what he's told very much in the Cena mold - because for most of his career, the company (Vince) was 112% behind him and pushing him to the moon anyway. This year is the first time where he really seems to be digging his heels in against the corporate will (and if we're honest, if things get more back to normal and he comes back next year, Vince will go right back to fellating him anyway). And that mostly because a) he's had at least some positive response to his own acting jobs, and b) because the world is currently self-destructing. For the first time he's seeing his own personal advantage and that of the WWE as being at odds, which is why he's pulling back. If Cena had been in a similar position in the past, I can easily see him doing exactly the same thing. <cite>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>It's not a matter of being "loyal to the company" (although some wrestlers have had good careers simply for being company men and there's certainly something to be said for talent having long-term arrangements), it's about being loyal to the business. Indie guys like Bryan Danielson and John Moxly eat, sleep, and breathe wrestling. They're a world apart from somebody like Roman Reigns who only got into it because he saw the kind of success his cousin had. I've never been a fan of Bryan, but I can respect him. Even if I'm someday a Reigns fan -- and it won't be for his wrestling -- I'll never respect him... at least not as a wrestler. </quote> I wasn't really arguing against whether or not Roman was truly a paragon of wrestling dedication and love, as much as I was dismissing Cena as being that guy. Cena was never really that guy. <cite>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>Doesn't even Austin kinda regret that now?</quote> In the sense that his own injuries eventually cut his career short so that essentially became his ending, yes. In the sense that he feels like he was in the wrong, not really. He generally says things like "I should have handled things differently", but he's never gone so far as to say he was wrong. Because, generally speaking, in that scenario, in the climate of the company at the time, he really wasn't. Though if anything, I think what he really regrets was the heel turn. It killed a lot of his own personal momentum (and the company's momentum) for no real gain. Which is part of why I feel like Vince has always been so damned resistant to people calling for a Cena heel turn or a Roman heel turn - in his eyes, it risks destroying their #1 babyface champion appeal forever. Even in cases where they don't really HAVE #1 babyface champion appeal in the first place coughRomancough. <cite>Aaantlion posted...</cite> <quote>Those contracts would be tossed out if they tried firing you a week later. You can have whatever on paper, but good luck enforcing a non-compete under those conditions.</quote> That's essentially what they did to Gallows and Anderson, though. They negotiated a deal at a time when they had bargaining power and multiple options. They took the most financially beneficial deal (with the WWE), but once circumstances changed (only a few months later), the WWE cut them without hesitation, knowing they no longer had bargaining power. So essentially, they signed a deal in good faith, then got fucked and dropped into a situation where they were much worse off than they would have been if they'd signed with literally anyone OTHER than the WWE. The WWE can easily enforce no-competes and exclusivity, but have no real enforceable obligations of their own. And because they're a large company with great lawyers, they can afford to take any potential disputes to court (and likely win) in spite of the fact that they're extremely abusive and potentially illegal contract requirements. When you say you'll work for the WWE for 5 years, you can't leave. When the WWE says you'll work for them for 5 years, they can fire you whenever they want.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/22/20 6:33:22 PM #169:	Wonder Woman was the best of the "DCEU" movies. I still don't know how to feel about the new movie. On one hand, I dig the idea of an 80s movie and I'm interested in seeing Cheetah in live-action. On the other hand, everything about the plot sounds stupid as hell. --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:943698106] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>Wonder Woman was the best of the "DCEU" movies. I still don't know how to feel about the new movie. On one hand, I dig the idea of an 80s movie and I'm interested in seeing Cheetah in live-action. On the other hand, everything about the plot sounds stupid as hell. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 08/22/20 6:40:13 PM #170:	I watched Wonder Woman 3 times, which is twice more than any other DCU film so far (though I rewatched part of Dark Knight once). It wasn't THAT amazing, I just went on a date with a girl and we watched it, and I watched it again with 2 friends as well, but I wouldn't do that if I didn't like the movie. --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Glowing Elephant "Stonehedge was a sex thing." <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:943698339] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>I watched Wonder Woman 3 times, which is twice more than any other DCU film so far (though I rewatched part of Dark Knight once). It wasn't THAT amazing, I just went on a date with a girl and we watched it, and I watched it again with 2 friends as well, but I wouldn't do that if I didn't like the movie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/22/20 6:46:19 PM #171:	It wasn't amazing but it was pretty good --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:943698531] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>It wasn't amazing but it was pretty good </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/22/20 7:00:51 PM #172:	Metalsonic66 posted... It wasn't amazing but it was pretty good I felt like it was a mostly mediocre film, that kind of got vastly overpraised because it was the first film in the crossover DCU that wasn't complete shit, and because of the mileage they milked out of the female lead (WOMG BESTEST FILM EVAR!). It definitely feels like, if it had been part of the MCU instead, and had a male lead, it wouldn't have even remotely gotten the amount of praise it did. In a lot of ways, it kind of felt like a lamer retread of Captain America 1, just with an earlier war and done less effectively. It wasn't a terrible film. But it wasn't a great film, either. Unfortunately, it's still right up there towards the top of the list for "Best DCU Films" with Aquaman as the only real competition (and maybe Shazam, but I'm still not sure if that technically counts as part of the full DCU right now, because I'm not sure Warner Bros knows either), because everything else is just so bad. Though speaking of bad DC films, Suicide Squad 2 apparently announced the full cast list today. And in news that most people will completely miss, but comic nerds may pick up on, John Cena is essentially playing the character who was the original model for The Comedian in Watchmen. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:943699040] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Metalsonic66 posted...</cite> <quote>It wasn't amazing but it was pretty good</quote> I felt like it was a mostly mediocre film, that kind of got vastly overpraised because it was the first film in the crossover DCU that wasn't complete shit, and because of the mileage they milked out of the female lead (WOMG BESTEST FILM EVAR!). It definitely feels like, if it had been part of the MCU instead, and had a male lead, it wouldn't have even remotely gotten the amount of praise it did. In a lot of ways, it kind of felt like a lamer retread of Captain America 1, just with an earlier war and done less effectively. It wasn't a terrible film. But it wasn't a great film, either. Unfortunately, it's still right up there towards the top of the list for "Best DCU Films" with Aquaman as the only real competition (and maybe Shazam, but I'm still not sure if that technically counts as part of the full DCU right now, because I'm not sure Warner Bros knows either), because everything else is just so bad. Though speaking of bad DC films, Suicide Squad 2 apparently announced the full cast list today. And in news that most people will completely miss, but comic nerds may pick up on, John Cena is essentially playing the character who was the original model for The Comedian in Watchmen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 08/22/20 7:47:14 PM #173:	ParanoidObsessive posted... I felt like it was a mostly mediocre film, that kind of got vastly overpraised because it was the first film in the crossover DCU that wasn't complete shit, and because of the mileage they milked out of the female lead (WOMG BESTEST FILM EVAR!). It definitely feels like, if it had been part of the MCU instead, and had a male lead, it wouldn't have even remotely gotten the amount of praise it did. In a lot of ways, it kind of felt like a lamer retread of Captain America 1, just with an earlier war and done less effectively. It wasn't a terrible film. But it wasn't a great film, either. Unfortunately, it's still right up there towards the top of the list for "Best DCU Films" with Aquaman as the only real competition (and maybe Shazam, but I'm still not sure if that technically counts as part of the full DCU right now, because I'm not sure Warner Bros knows either), because everything else is just so bad. Though speaking of bad DC films, Suicide Squad 2 apparently announced the full cast list today. And in news that most people will completely miss, but comic nerds may pick up on, John Cena is essentially playing the character who was the original model for The Comedian in Watchmen. Yeah, The Peacemaker is an old Charlton comics character that Alan Moore used as inspiration for The Comedian. He hasn't appeared in a comic for a while. Maybe 15 years or so. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:943700624] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>I felt like it was a mostly mediocre film, that kind of got vastly overpraised because it was the first film in the crossover DCU that wasn't complete shit, and because of the mileage they milked out of the female lead (WOMG BESTEST FILM EVAR!). It definitely feels like, if it had been part of the MCU instead, and had a male lead, it wouldn't have even remotely gotten the amount of praise it did. In a lot of ways, it kind of felt like a lamer retread of Captain America 1, just with an earlier war and done less effectively. It wasn't a terrible film. But it wasn't a great film, either. Unfortunately, it's still right up there towards the top of the list for "Best DCU Films" with Aquaman as the only real competition (and maybe Shazam, but I'm still not sure if that technically counts as part of the full DCU right now, because I'm not sure Warner Bros knows either), because everything else is just so bad. Though speaking of bad DC films, Suicide Squad 2 apparently announced the full cast list today. And in news that most people will completely miss, but comic nerds may pick up on, John Cena is essentially playing the character who was the original model for The Comedian in Watchmen.</quote> Yeah, The Peacemaker is an old Charlton comics character that Alan Moore used as inspiration for The Comedian. He hasn't appeared in a comic for a while. Maybe 15 years or so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/22/20 7:58:29 PM #174:	I thought it was Captain America crossed with the Joker --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:943701063] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>I thought it was Captain America crossed with the Joker </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/22/20 8:45:22 PM #175:	Metalsonic66 posted... I thought it was Captain America crossed with the Joker Charlton was a comic company in the 1940/50s that had a bunch of original characters of their own, but they eventually went out of business in the 1980s, and DC bought all of their assets. They had a bunch of characters people today might find familiar (Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, The Question), and a few most people have never heard of (like Peacemaker and Thunderbolt). When DC got control of them all they told Alan Moore to come up with a story to use them, and that was the origin of Watchmen. About halfway through the process, DC got cold feet about burning all the Charlton characters in a single storyline, so they told Moore he couldn't use the actual characters. So he basically just tweaked them all to make them a bit darker and "original". So Blue Beetle became Nite Owl, Captain Atom is Dr. Manhattan, The Question became Rorschach. The Comedian was Peacemaker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacemaker_(comics) Some of the original Charlton characters were introduced to mainline DC in the 80s and 90s (which is why they're more well-known today), but even the lesser known ones have showed up in other comics by now. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:943702859] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Metalsonic66 posted...</cite> <quote>I thought it was Captain America crossed with the Joker</quote> Charlton was a comic company in the 1940/50s that had a bunch of original characters of their own, but they eventually went out of business in the 1980s, and DC bought all of their assets. They had a bunch of characters people today might find familiar (Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, The Question), and a few most people have never heard of (like Peacemaker and Thunderbolt). When DC got control of them all they told Alan Moore to come up with a story to use them, and that was the origin of Watchmen. About halfway through the process, DC got cold feet about burning all the Charlton characters in a single storyline, so they told Moore he couldn't use the actual characters. So he basically just tweaked them all to make them a bit darker and "original". So Blue Beetle became Nite Owl, Captain Atom is Dr. Manhattan, The Question became Rorschach. The Comedian was Peacemaker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacemaker_(comics) Some of the original Charlton characters were introduced to mainline DC in the 80s and 90s (which is why they're more well-known today), but even the lesser known ones have showed up in other comics by now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/22/20 8:55:29 PM #176:	Maybe I'm thinking of a different company but I thought they went out of business in the 60s. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:943703296] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>Maybe I'm thinking of a different company but I thought they went out of business in the 60s.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/22/20 8:58:13 PM #177:	Revelation34 posted... Maybe I'm thinking of a different company but I thought they went out of business in the 60s. You might be thinking of Fawcett (the company that made Captain Marvel/Shazam). Or Quality. Basically, DC scavenged a LOT of company's corpses to loot their assets over the years. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:943703413] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>Maybe I'm thinking of a different company but I thought they went out of business in the 60s.</quote> You might be thinking of Fawcett (the company that made Captain Marvel/Shazam). Or Quality. Basically, DC scavenged a LOT of company's corpses to loot their assets over the years.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/22/20 9:01:55 PM #178:	ParanoidObsessive posted... You might be thinking of Fawcett (the company that made Captain Marvel/Shazam). Or Quality. Basically, DC scavenged a LOT of company's corpses to loot their assets over the years. I'm thinking of whichever company originally had Plastic Man. Which is why Elongated Man confused me at first. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:943703577] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote> You might be thinking of Fawcett (the company that made Captain Marvel/Shazam). Or Quality. Basically, DC scavenged a LOT of company's corpses to loot their assets over the years.</quote> I'm thinking of whichever company originally had Plastic Man. Which is why Elongated Man confused me at first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/22/20 9:45:18 PM #179:	Revelation34 posted... I'm thinking of whichever company originally had Plastic Man. Which is why Elongated Man confused me at first. Plastic Man was Quality. DC acquired him (and other Quality characters) in the 50s. The joke of those two characters was that Elongated Man was created as a deliberate copy/parody of Plastic Man. But he only exists because Julius Schwartz (the editor-in-chief of DC at the time) didn't realize they already owned Plastic Man. Schwartz has sort of implied that, if he'd realized, he'd have just used Plastic Man instead. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:943705106] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm thinking of whichever company originally had Plastic Man. Which is why Elongated Man confused me at first.</quote> Plastic Man was Quality. DC acquired him (and other Quality characters) in the 50s. The joke of those two characters was that Elongated Man was created as a deliberate copy/parody of Plastic Man. But he only exists because Julius Schwartz (the editor-in-chief of DC at the time) didn't realize they already owned Plastic Man. Schwartz has sort of implied that, if he'd realized, he'd have just used Plastic Man instead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 08/22/20 9:55:33 PM #180:	https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NLOp_6uPccQ That's not a bad trailer at all. I just hope that too many villains in Gotham don't spoil the stew. However, I'm optimistic. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:943705418] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NLOp_6uPccQ That's not a bad trailer at all. I just hope that too many villains in Gotham don't spoil the stew. However, I'm optimistic. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/22/20 9:56:00 PM #181:	--- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:943705438] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I_Abibde 08/22/20 10:05:36 PM #182:	looks from a particularly good episode of AEW Dynamite** Insert a joke about the "Superman and Big Barda make a porno" storyline here. --- -- I Abibde / Samuraiter Laughing at Game FAQs since 2002. <cite>I_Abibde posted [p:943705738] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>looks from a particularly good episode of AEW Dynamite Insert a joke about the "Superman and Big Barda make a porno" storyline here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 08/23/20 6:10:36 AM #183:	The Wave Master posted... (Maybe much like how a film like Black Panther is made for me, a black urban male, a film like Wonder Woman was made for women, like my wife, who loves the first film, as I love Black Panther.) You didn't feel pandered to at all? The Wave Master posted... Spoiler guess for WW84.... Use the spoiler tags, man! That's what they're there for! I haven't seen the first let alone the new one's trailer, so your guessing is spoiler-ish for me. ParanoidObsessive posted... Let's be honest though, he's still done more than most. What's that even supposed to mean? If that's how you're starting a point, you should reconsider the whole point. ParanoidObsessive posted... If you were ranking your list of top wrestlers-turned-actors, Cena would be right up there. Likely more so than either Hogan (who mostly starred in C-list films alongside his small role in Rocky III) or Piper (who had one memorable cult-hit film and a bunch of stinkers). Batista could potentially outrank him (Guardians pulls Batista up, but most of his other roles are either in much smaller films, or have him in bit-roles in larger movies), and the Rock is pretty clearly the #1 of all time, but Cena is very much seen as a Hollywood success (at least according to wrestler standards). When Hogan and Piper were doing it, it was a different era. Hell, promotions were trying to keep talent from doing films. And most of Cena's work so far has been small cameos, like playing Juliet's brother on Psych! (Not to mention that when Hogan did c-list films, they STILL had major theatrical releases whereas a lot of Cena's stuff was direct-to-video.) And if the argument is nobody except the Rock and Batista is really doing anything big, that's not really a ringing endorsement for Cena. But hey, who knows, maybe his acting career will take off after the new Suicide Squad film.... a role, by the way, that he only got because Batista didn't pick up the phone. ParanoidObsessive posted... (Possibly to the annoyance of HHH, whose own push towards acting failed miserably, or Edge, who sort of went into acting because he had no other choice, and who hasn't really seen the same level of mainstream acceptance or high-paying jobs.) The fact that Edge never got over was surprising, considering he has some personality and charisma. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| Scientists are finally waking up to what pyramids have known all along. <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:943716095] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>The Wave Master posted... </cite> <quote>(Maybe much like how a film like Black Panther is made for me, a black urban male, a film like Wonder Woman was made for women, like my wife, who loves the first film, as I love Black Panther.)</quote> You didn't feel pandered to at all? The Wave Master posted... </cite> <quote>Spoiler guess for WW84....</quote> Use the spoiler tags, man! That's what they're there for! I haven't seen the first let alone the new one's trailer, so your guessing is spoiler-ish for me. ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>Let's be honest though, he's still done more than most.</quote> What's that even supposed to mean? If that's how you're starting a point, you should reconsider the whole point. ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>If you were ranking your list of top wrestlers-turned-actors, Cena would be right up there. Likely more so than either Hogan (who mostly starred in C-list films alongside his small role in Rocky III) or Piper (who had one memorable cult-hit film and a bunch of stinkers). Batista could potentially outrank him (Guardians pulls Batista up, but most of his other roles are either in much smaller films, or have him in bit-roles in larger movies), and the Rock is pretty clearly the #1 of all time, but Cena is very much seen as a Hollywood success (at least according to wrestler standards).</quote> When Hogan and Piper were doing it, it was a different era. Hell, promotions were trying to keep talent from doing films. And most of Cena's work so far has been small cameos, like playing Juliet's brother on Psych! (Not to mention that when Hogan did c-list films, they STILL had major theatrical releases whereas a lot of Cena's stuff was direct-to-video.) And if the argument is nobody except the Rock and Batista is really doing anything big, that's not really a ringing endorsement for Cena. But hey, who knows, maybe his acting career will take off after the new Suicide Squad film.... a role, by the way, that he only got because Batista didn't pick up the phone. ParanoidObsessive posted... </cite> <quote>(Possibly to the annoyance of HHH, whose own push towards acting failed miserably, or Edge, who sort of went into acting because he had no other choice, and who hasn't really seen the same level of mainstream acceptance or high-paying jobs.)</quote> The fact that Edge never got over was surprising, considering he has some personality and charisma. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aaantlion 08/23/20 6:37:05 AM #184:	Oh, and I finally placed an order for that Sentinel. I might regret this later, but I'm just going with one. I'm conflicted because it's something that it'd be nice to have multiples of and I'd feel better with a spare, but the size kinda becomes an issue. Not just because it takes up more space (which is already a problem with some of my larger collectibles), but I have a history of damaging over-sized collectibles, like my poor Heroclix Fin Fang Foom. Surprisingly it was free shipping. Considering the size and weight, I thought it might tack another $30-40 on. At any rate, now we play the waiting game... because it's not shipping until Fall 2021 (and that's assuming there are no COVID delays) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JVNMmsN3Co --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| Scientists are finally waking up to what pyramids have known all along. <cite>Aaantlion posted [p:943716355] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>Oh, and I finally placed an order for that Sentinel. I might regret this later, but I'm just going with one. I'm conflicted because it's something that it'd be nice to have multiples of and I'd feel better with a spare, but the size kinda becomes an issue. Not just because it takes up more space (which is already a problem with some of my larger collectibles), but I have a history of damaging over-sized collectibles, like my poor Heroclix Fin Fang Foom. Surprisingly it was free shipping. Considering the size and weight, I thought it might tack another $30-40 on. At any rate, now we play the waiting game... because it's not shipping until Fall 2021 (and that's assuming there are no COVID delays) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JVNMmsN3Co </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 08/23/20 7:35:36 AM #185:	Well, it's that time of the year. The Annual pray for Wave because a hurricane is being shot towards his rear end, Post! However, this year it's 2 hurricanes that are heading towards us here on the Mississippi gulf coast. 2020 is a son of a motherless Goat isn't she? Last year I was sparred at the last minute because P.O. used his weather machine to send Hurricane Kristobal (crystal ball) to the east at the last possible minute. Giving us the west and safer (weaker) side of the storm, and nothing happened. We need that kind of luck today. If not it'll be at least a week before I start posting again. We'll know more by tomorrow morning for sure. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:943717053] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>Well, it's that time of the year. The Annual pray for Wave because a hurricane is being shot towards his rear end, Post! However, this year it's 2 hurricanes that are heading towards us here on the Mississippi gulf coast. 2020 is a son of a motherless Goat isn't she? Last year I was sparred at the last minute because P.O. used his weather machine to send Hurricane Kristobal (crystal ball) to the east at the last possible minute. Giving us the west and safer (weaker) side of the storm, and nothing happened. We need that kind of luck today. If not it'll be at least a week before I start posting again. We'll know more by tomorrow morning for sure. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 08/23/20 7:47:34 AM #186:	The Wave Master posted... because P.O. used his weather machine Woah, what? Paranoidobssesive has a weather machine? Dude send me a mega storm!! I'm in olympia WA, I haven't had a good storm in over a decade!!!! Most people in WA hate the rain cause it drizzles all the time, I think they just need a good storm so they can see how awesome it can be. I really should have lived somewhere that gets severe hurricanes etc, but most of those places are waaaay to hot in the summer:( --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Glowing Elephant "Stonehedge was a sex thing." <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:943717240] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>The Wave Master posted... </cite> <quote>because P.O. used his weather machine</quote> Woah, what? Paranoidobssesive has a weather machine? Dude send me a mega storm!! I'm in olympia WA, I haven't had a good storm in over a decade!!!! Most people in WA hate the rain cause it drizzles all the time, I think they just need a good storm so they can see how awesome it can be. I really should have lived somewhere that gets severe hurricanes etc, but most of those places are waaaay to hot in the summer:( </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/23/20 10:01:05 AM #187:	The Wave Master posted... The Annual pray for Wave because a hurricane is being shot towards his rear end, Post! However, this year it's 2 hurricanes that are heading towards us here on the Mississippi gulf coast. 2020 is a son of a motherless Goat isn't she? I noticed that this morning. I was like, hmm, Laura and Marco have overlapping tracks... what are the odds that they smash into each other, combine into a massive super-storm, and head directly over Mississippi? I mean, damn it Wave, which dark god did you piss off? Might want to figure it out so you can sacrifice a few babies to appease them or something. The Wave Master posted... Last year I was sparred at the last minute because P.O. used his weather machine Hey, I already told you, I don't have a weather machine. Saddam Hussein bought the Weather Dominator off Cobra after there were budget crunches at the end of the 80s when the franchise was on the rocks, and later used it to stir up sandstorms during the Iraq War. That's where Bush got it, which is how he used it to send Katrina into the South (as Kanye tried to warn us when he told us that "George Bush doesn't care about black people"). But then Obama got it when he was elected, and he used it to send Sandy into NJ in an attempt to take me out. I suppose Trump has it now, unless Obama snuck off with it when he left office. wolfy42 posted... Woah, what? Paranoidobssesive has a weather machine? Hey, look, just because I dressed up like this for Halloween one year doesn't mean anything: http://i0.wp.com/joebattlelines.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/GI_Joe_Cobra_Commander-Costume.jpg (That's not me in the picture, nor the exact costume - mine was entirely homemade and had a number of minor differences, but that's basically what it looked like. I just don't think I have any digital pictures of it anywhere I can find to post.) All I've got is the old time machine (that ran out of fuel) and the Orbital Death Ray platform I've been working on for years. Oh, and also a magical wish stone, but I haven't used that for like 20 years, and I'm not sure where it is now. Probably somewhere in the hidden underground bunker. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:943719402] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>The Annual pray for Wave because a hurricane is being shot towards his rear end, Post! However, this year it's 2 hurricanes that are heading towards us here on the Mississippi gulf coast. 2020 is a son of a motherless Goat isn't she?</quote> I noticed that this morning. I was like, hmm, Laura and Marco have overlapping tracks... what are the odds that they smash into each other, combine into a massive super-storm, and head directly over Mississippi? I mean, damn it Wave, which dark god did you piss off? Might want to figure it out so you can sacrifice a few babies to appease them or something. <cite>The Wave Master posted...</cite> <quote>Last year I was sparred at the last minute because P.O. used his weather machine</quote> Hey, I already told you, I don't have a weather machine. Saddam Hussein bought the Weather Dominator off Cobra after there were budget crunches at the end of the 80s when the franchise was on the rocks, and later used it to stir up sandstorms during the Iraq War. That's where Bush got it, which is how he used it to send Katrina into the South (as Kanye tried to warn us when he told us that "George Bush doesn't care about black people"). But then Obama got it when he was elected, and he used it to send Sandy into NJ in an attempt to take me out. I suppose Trump has it now, unless Obama snuck off with it when he left office. <cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>Woah, what? Paranoidobssesive has a weather machine?</quote> Hey, look, just because I dressed up like this for Halloween one year doesn't mean anything: http://i0.wp.com/joebattlelines.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/GI_Joe_Cobra_Commander-Costume.jpg (That's not me in the picture, nor the exact costume - mine was entirely homemade and had a number of minor differences, but that's basically what it looked like. I just don't think I have any digital pictures of it anywhere I can find to post.) All I've got is the old time machine (that ran out of fuel) and the Orbital Death Ray platform I've been working on for years. Oh, and also a magical wish stone, but I haven't used that for like 20 years, and I'm not sure where it is now. Probably somewhere in the hidden underground bunker.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Wave Master 08/23/20 10:21:14 AM #188:	I'm damn sure that Obama destroyed, "The Weather Dominator" when Trump was elected. Once Hillary lost he knew that Trump couldn't get his tiny hands on it, and Elon is years away from completing his. (He got lucky with thst water landing last month.) Which means that we're screwed and P.O. will go unchecked, and all of you will be robotic slaves listening to 80's New Wace and Synthesizer forever. (Although that's not too bad of a hellscape.) Finally, I'm assuming Anubis is who I pissed off as I named my cat Lord Beerus from DBS instead of Anubis. --- We are who we choose to be. <cite>The Wave Master posted [p:943719828] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>I'm damn sure that Obama destroyed, "The Weather Dominator" when Trump was elected. Once Hillary lost he knew that Trump couldn't get his tiny hands on it, and Elon is years away from completing his. (He got lucky with thst water landing last month.) Which means that we're screwed and P.O. will go unchecked, and all of you will be robotic slaves listening to 80's New Wace and Synthesizer forever. (Although that's not too bad of a hellscape.) Finally, I'm assuming Anubis is who I pissed off as I named my cat Lord Beerus from DBS instead of Anubis. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/23/20 7:15:52 PM #189:	wolfy42 posted... Woah, what? Paranoidobssesive has a weather machine? Yes, but it's powered by scientists in bear costumes and those are endangered now. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:943737323] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>wolfy42 posted... </cite> <quote>Woah, what? Paranoidobssesive has a weather machine?</quote> Yes, but it's powered by scientists in bear costumes and those are endangered now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 08/23/20 7:29:38 PM #190:	At least time machines that run out of fuel still move forward through time normally:) Maybe use that wish stone to end the Covid thing though, it's really bumming me out. I think I can qualify as a scientist ina bear costume actually. I'm bear sized and taught science, so close enough? Lets make it rain!!! --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Glowing Elephant "Stonehedge was a sex thing." <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:943737833] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>At least time machines that run out of fuel still move forward through time normally:) Maybe use that wish stone to end the Covid thing though, it's really bumming me out. I think I can qualify as a scientist ina bear costume actually. I'm bear sized and taught science, so close enough? Lets make it rain!!! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/23/20 10:02:45 PM #191:	wolfy42 posted... At least time machines that run out of fuel still move forward through time normally:) http://www.homestuck.com/story/1318 --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:943744080] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote><cite>wolfy42 posted...</cite> <quote>At least time machines that run out of fuel still move forward through time normally:)</quote> http://www.homestuck.com/story/1318</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhiskeyDisk 08/23/20 11:28:06 PM #192:	The problem I've always had with time travel as a plot device is that your galaxy has rotated x amount, your solar system has moved y amount, and your planet has rotated z amount in reference to the moment you left. Statistically, you've Delorean'd your stupid ass into the vacuum of space miles from Terra firma as soon as you drop back into normal space. --- The SBA has closed for business, we thank you for your patronage Assassins. ~there's always free cheese in a mousetrap. <cite>WhiskeyDisk posted [p:943746931] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>The problem I've always had with time travel as a plot device is that your galaxy has rotated x amount, your solar system has moved y amount, and your planet has rotated z amount in reference to the moment you left. Statistically, you've Delorean'd your stupid ass into the vacuum of space miles from Terra firma as soon as you drop back into normal space. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeus 08/23/20 11:35:43 PM #193:	People constantly bring up that argument, but it's a wholly speculative one, given that the nature of time travel might inherently address it. And it would definitely be moot under certain forms of time travel, like leaping... speaking of, I loved the Quantum Leap references in the Wiz episode of Always Sunny. --- (\/)(\/)\|-\| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. <cite>Zeus posted [p:943747115] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>People constantly bring up that argument, but it's a wholly speculative one, given that the nature of time travel might inherently address it. And it would definitely be moot under certain forms of time travel, like leaping... speaking of, I loved the Quantum Leap references in the Wiz episode of Always Sunny. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 08/23/20 11:59:02 PM #194:	Zeus posted... People constantly bring up that argument, but it's a wholly speculative one, given that the nature of time travel might inherently address it. And it would definitely be moot under certain forms of time travel, like leaping... speaking of, I loved the Quantum Leap references in the Wiz episode of Always Sunny. I really gotta watch always sunny, it does sound very worth it. Time travel can actually be linked to a point in space time, or linked to a specific item (IE a piece of ground), moving you forward in time along that objects changes. If you follow an object then the whole poofing into space thing is solved. There are of course lots of other solutions as well (large scale computer that re-creatues the universe in reverse for instance, could easily move you to a point in space as well as time for instance). --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Glowing Elephant "Stonehedge was a sex thing." <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:943747785] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted... </cite> <quote>People constantly bring up that argument, but it's a wholly speculative one, given that the nature of time travel might inherently address it. And it would definitely be moot under certain forms of time travel, like leaping... speaking of, I loved the Quantum Leap references in the Wiz episode of Always Sunny.</quote> I really gotta watch always sunny, it does sound very worth it. Time travel can actually be linked to a point in space time, or linked to a specific item (IE a piece of ground), moving you forward in time along that objects changes. If you follow an object then the whole poofing into space thing is solved. There are of course lots of other solutions as well (large scale computer that re-creatues the universe in reverse for instance, could easily move you to a point in space as well as time for instance). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/24/20 12:51:11 AM #195:	The time machine accounts for those things --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:943749044] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>The time machine accounts for those things </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
wolfy42 08/24/20 1:17:56 AM #196:	Time is actually an illusion and even the idea of string theory etc, still uses that illusion. In reality time does not exist, and everything progresses in a logical order that can be pre-determined with enough information. In addition, you could use the same information to determine events in the past by reversing the order. A time machine that does either of those things, logically moving forwards or backwards along a logical path, could also use the same logic to move through space to ensure that you were located where you wanted to be along that logical stream. In addition, the idea of multiverses work very well with this time theory, as each possibility creates a new and different stream, so you could move forwards or backwards along logical streams but determine the direction of the logic (basically changing the equation) along the way. This can allow you to easily travel not only through time, but through possibilities, allowing you to move into a universe where our sun is actually purple for instance, or into a different universe where JFK was not assassinated in the past, or even in a universe where your best friend is female instead of male (although if that universe didn't also not have you existing at all in it, you would probably not be happy with the result lol). I firmly believe everything can be determined by mathmatics and enough information, and in theory with that information and enough power (ability to change things), you could indeed reverse time or move forward through it, basically hitting fast forward or rewind on a predetermined path that we are all taking. The even more interesting thing is such time travel would ALSO be pre-determined and any changes you make would also be part of the normal progression, as the OVER ALL universe moves forward even though from your perspective it has actually gone back in time (it didn't, you just reset it's state). --- Tacobot 3000 "Saving the world from not having tacos." Glowing Elephant "Stonehedge was a sex thing." <cite>wolfy42 posted [p:943749568] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>Time is actually an illusion and even the idea of string theory etc, still uses that illusion. In reality time does not exist, and everything progresses in a logical order that can be pre-determined with enough information. In addition, you could use the same information to determine events in the past by reversing the order. A time machine that does either of those things, logically moving forwards or backwards along a logical path, could also use the same logic to move through space to ensure that you were located where you wanted to be along that logical stream. In addition, the idea of multiverses work very well with this time theory, as each possibility creates a new and different stream, so you could move forwards or backwards along logical streams but determine the direction of the logic (basically changing the equation) along the way. This can allow you to easily travel not only through time, but through possibilities, allowing you to move into a universe where our sun is actually purple for instance, or into a different universe where JFK was not assassinated in the past, or even in a universe where your best friend is female instead of male (although if that universe didn't also not have you existing at all in it, you would probably not be happy with the result lol). I firmly believe everything can be determined by mathmatics and enough information, and in theory with that information and enough power (ability to change things), you could indeed reverse time or move forward through it, basically hitting fast forward or rewind on a predetermined path that we are all taking. The even more interesting thing is such time travel would ALSO be pre-determined and any changes you make would also be part of the normal progression, as the OVER ALL universe moves forward even though from your perspective it has actually gone back in time (it didn't, you just reset it's state). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/24/20 1:18:05 AM #197:	WhiskeyDisk posted... The problem I've always had with time travel as a plot device is that your galaxy has rotated x amount, your solar system has moved y amount, and your planet has rotated z amount in reference to the moment you left. Statistically, you've Delorean'd your stupid ass into the vacuum of space miles from Terra firma as soon as you drop back into normal space. There is no way to actually prove that statement. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:943749571] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>The problem I've always had with time travel as a plot device is that your galaxy has rotated x amount, your solar system has moved y amount, and your planet has rotated z amount in reference to the moment you left. Statistically, you've Delorean'd your stupid ass into the vacuum of space miles from Terra firma as soon as you drop back into normal space. </quote> There is no way to actually prove that statement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/24/20 1:27:15 AM #198:	WhiskeyDisk posted... The problem I've always had with time travel as a plot device is that your galaxy has rotated x amount, your solar system has moved y amount, and your planet has rotated z amount in reference to the moment you left. The general handwavey assumption is that most time machines are complex enough to take that sort of motion into account, so you're not hard-anchoring to a single point in space as much as you're moving through both space AND time, so while from your perspective you haven't moved, you very much have. (I've read at least two stories where this is a plot point, and someone deliberately disables the focal referent of the time machine to travel a fraction of a second through time, which jumps them miles away from the point of origin, which they use as a means of escaping a dangerous situation.) Or there's an assumption that the universe has a degree of ontological inertia, and that a certain degree of symbolism is involved, so you sort of HAVE to anchor to that point in conceptual space to make time travel possible at all (this is more common in stories with magical or psychic time travel). Zeus posted... And it would definitely be moot under certain forms of time travel, like leaping... Ironically, the form of time travel we tend to think is the only one that could actually work in the real world wouldn't be affected either, as it would require anchored wormholes that could be spun to high levels of acceleration, which would always begin at the exact same point in space-time. Which was part of what inspired the half-dozen or so episodes of Stargate where a gate winds up accidentally sending them through time (or parallel realities) instead of merely traversing space. But this sort of crap is why I mostly hate really hard sci-fi anyway (and the people who read it), and mostly hew towards much softer sci-fi or space fantasy, where the answer to every science question is "A Space Wizard did it. Now fuck off, nerd." I've ranted about MASS FROM THE MASS DIMENSION! and EYE PUNCHES FROM THE PUNCH DIMENSION! before, so I won't go into it again, but that ties into the same problem - when people who know too much for their own good and have way too much free time, they start asking stupid questions that result in stupid answers, and then we get stupid stories. I don't care if the giant monster violates Square-Cube Law or that dragons shouldn't be able to fly because their wings shouldn't be able to support their weight. I'd rather have entertaining stories than strictly accurate science. --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:943749733] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhiskeyDisk posted...</cite> <quote>The problem I've always had with time travel as a plot device is that your galaxy has rotated x amount, your solar system has moved y amount, and your planet has rotated z amount in reference to the moment you left.</quote> The general handwavey assumption is that most time machines are complex enough to take that sort of motion into account, so you're not hard-anchoring to a single point in space as much as you're moving through both space AND time, so while from your perspective you haven't moved, you very much have. (I've read at least two stories where this is a plot point, and someone deliberately disables the focal referent of the time machine to travel a fraction of a second through time, which jumps them miles away from the point of origin, which they use as a means of escaping a dangerous situation.) Or there's an assumption that the universe has a degree of ontological inertia, and that a certain degree of symbolism is involved, so you sort of HAVE to anchor to that point in conceptual space to make time travel possible at all (this is more common in stories with magical or psychic time travel). <cite>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>And it would definitely be moot under certain forms of time travel, like leaping...</quote> Ironically, the form of time travel we tend to think is the only one that could actually work in the real world wouldn't be affected either, as it would require anchored wormholes that could be spun to high levels of acceleration, which would always begin at the exact same point in space-time. Which was part of what inspired the half-dozen or so episodes of Stargate where a gate winds up accidentally sending them through time (or parallel realities) instead of merely traversing space. But this sort of crap is why I mostly hate really hard sci-fi anyway (and the people who read it), and mostly hew towards much softer sci-fi or space fantasy, where the answer to every science question is "A Space Wizard did it. Now fuck off, nerd." I've ranted about MASS FROM THE MASS DIMENSION! and EYE PUNCHES FROM THE PUNCH DIMENSION! before, so I won't go into it again, but that ties into the same problem - when people who know too much for their own good and have way too much free time, they start asking stupid questions that result in stupid answers, and then we get stupid stories. I don't care if the giant monster violates Square-Cube Law or that dragons shouldn't be able to fly because their wings shouldn't be able to support their weight. I'd rather have entertaining stories than strictly accurate science.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metalsonic66 08/24/20 1:41:54 AM #199:	Scott Summers has eyes that are actually a portal to the BEAM DIMENSION --- PSN/Steam ID: Metalsonic_69 Big bombs go kabang. <cite>Metalsonic66 posted [p:943749995] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote>Scott Summers has eyes that are actually a portal to the BEAM DIMENSION </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ParanoidObsessive 08/24/20 1:51:02 AM #200:	Metalsonic66 posted... Scott Summers has eyes that are actually a portal to the BEAM DIMENSION EYE PUNCHES FROM THE PUNCH DIMENSION! Completely unrelated to the previous conversation, I'm going to post this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL3ujDGvS-Y It's presented as "solo RPGs", but most of them come across more like "Writing Exercises for Dummies". Between the writers and RPers here, I figured someone might be interested. I'm almost tempted to pick up a couple of these - they seem like they'd almost be fun to write "journal entries" to post online, and getting a writing circle together to play in tandem and swap story journals (in fact, this is basically what used to be called a "Letters Game" in RPG circles). --- "Wall of Text'D!" --- oldskoolplayr76 "POwned again." --- blight family <cite>ParanoidObsessive posted [p:943750144] in 28 Geeks L... [t:78893470]...</cite> <quote><cite>Metalsonic66 posted...</cite> <quote>Scott Summers has eyes that are actually a portal to the BEAM DIMENSION </quote> EYE PUNCHES FROM THE PUNCH DIMENSION! Completely unrelated to the previous conversation, I'm going to post this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lL3ujDGvS-Y It's presented as "solo RPGs", but most of them come across more like "Writing Exercises for Dummies". Between the writers and RPers here, I figured someone might be interested. I'm almost tempted to pick up a couple of these - they seem like they'd almost be fun to write "journal entries" to post online, and getting a writing circle together to play in tandem and swap story journals (in fact, this is basically what used to be called a "Letters Game" in RPG circles).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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