Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 313: August and Everything After

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Biden's Twitter handler apologizes, you mean.

Kinda gross he keeps getting a pass for saying shit like this.

Edit: And before the predictable "But Trump" argument, he's a racist piece of shit too. Just because one allows his campaign looking out for him more doesn't mean he's less racist. These guys both suck and it's gross these are our options.

In no universe is Joe Biden anywhere near as racist as Donald Trump

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LordoftheMorons posted...

In no universe is Joe Biden anywhere near as racist as Donald Trump

Yeah I get it... He stutters! It's all his stutter!

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Corrik7 posted...

Yeah I get it... He stutters! It's all his stutter!

No, this wasn't a stutter. He fucked up and said something dumb, which I'm sure you've never done. Regardless, what he said was nowhere near as racist as all of the shit Trump does on a daily basis.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

No, this wasn't a stutter. He fucked up and said something dumb, which I'm sure you've never done. Regardless, what he said was nowhere near as racist as all of the shit Trump does on a daily basis.

First of all, that is whataboutism. Second of all, you have to interpret Trump was racist when he said things or twist them to get that meaning. That said, neither is likely racist anyways. It is just funny that the people claiming Trump is racist are going to twist things around and jump through hurdles to claim Biden isn't for more outright comments.

People are too apt to toss the racist cards nowadays.

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The strange thing to me is that what Biden said is actually not racist at all, just very poorly phrased. But he has a massive history of saying things that are extremely racist that nobody really seems bothered by. I think people get way too caught up in the election to be fair about these things, for example: the people saying it doesn't matter who Biden picks for VP because the only thing that matters is defeating Trump. It definitely matters, and will have massive impact on the future, and people should be able to be critical about his choice. That doesn't mean you should change your vote to Trump over his VP selection. Similarly, you can find Joe Biden to be someone who is constantly saying things that betray his age and biases and still prefer him to Donald Trump. There isn't any reason to pretend otherwise, the argument behind voting for Joe Biden should be that he is a malleable improvement, not that he is good, because that is a losing argument.

Corrik7 posted...

People are too apt to toss the racist cards nowadays.

While this is completely true, Trump is definitely a racist.

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Kinda gross he keeps getting a pass for saying shit like this.

99% of this topic isn't giving him a pass.

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Corrik7 posted...

First of all, that is whataboutism. Second of all, you have to interpret Trump was racist when he said things or twist them to get that meaning. That said, neither is likely racist anyways. It is just funny that the people claiming Trump is racist are going to twist things around and jump through hurdles to claim Biden isn't for more outright comments.

pretty sure LotM isn't making the argument that what biden said isn't racist. he's saying trump is far more racist than biden and to equate the two is a false equivalency.

also, lol @ your usual "yOu HaVe To TwIsT wHaT tRuMp SaId tO GeT tHaT mEaNiNg" idiocy. how can someone be THIS much of a racism apologist?

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hockeydude15 posted...

While this is completely true, Trump is definitely a racist.

Yeah the way I see it, Trump's racist and misogynist rhetoric gets him popular with people tired of "political correctness gone mad". Which has basically been discredited as a particularly big problem by now.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

how can someone be THIS much of a racism apologist?

I'll give you a hint

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LordoftheMorons posted...

In no universe is Joe Biden anywhere near as racist as Donald Trump

Hes still incredibly racist

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This is so fucked

https://twitter.com/crampell/status/1291708803940069378?s=21

(Not clear from the tweet, but the policy described was some fuckery from a while ago. The new thing is that the no blanks policy and is now being applied even to third parties who applicants have no control over (like police, medical examiners, etc) submitting forms)

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Hes still incredibly racist

I don't think 'incredibly' is fair to use. He's definitely got some racist tendencies. But I think rather than an issue of malice, it's a case of ignorance. Hopefully his VP choice and his handlers are able to course correct him. And I think that he's willing to be corrected means that it's unfair to use 'incredibly' here. Because someone who's incredibly racist isn't willing to listen when they get called out. They double down.

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Were having a semantic argument, but I made a conscious choice to choose incredibly specifically because so many white liberals seem to have a hard time believing it.

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https://twitter.com/Mike_Pence/status/1291731028067975168?

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https://deadline.com/2020/08/paramount-consent-decrees-justice-department-2-1203007221/

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Corrik7 posted...

https://twitter.com/Mike_Pence/status/1291731028067975168?

It's easy for him to go "We added 1.8 million jobs look how great we are!" when he's leaving out the fact that we're still down 13 million and that's 3 million fewer than were added in June. Unemployment is still above 10%, but people will just see tweets like this and think "whoo go america"

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Corrik7 posted...

https://deadline.com/2020/08/paramount-consent-decrees-justice-department-2-1203007221/

Why do I want to buy endless disney stock

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HashtagSEP posted...

It's easy for him to go "We added 1.8 million jobs look how great we are!" when he's leaving out the fact that we're still down 13 million and that's 3 million fewer than were added in June. Unemployment is still above 10%, but people will just see tweets like this and think "whoo go america"

It's above expectations and is a good thing. What are you even talking about? Did you expect to gain every job back in a month?

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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Why do I want to buy endless disney stock

There are people like me desperate for the pandemic to end/subside so that we can throw thousands of dollars at various disney properties. That is why you should own Disney stock.

In an episode of who would our enemies prefer to lead... Lol

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/07/politics/2020-election-russia-china-iran/index.html


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China doesn't want Trump to win re-election?

Say, whaaaaaaaat?

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I feel like whoever is President after Trump, whether that's 2020 or 2024, is going to have a lot of bridges to rebuild.

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BakusaiTenketsu posted...

I feel like whoever is President after Trump, whether that's 2020 or 2024, is going to have a lot of bridges to rebuild.

Start rebuilding, anyway. It'll probably take two or three "normal" administrations in a row before any other countries fully trust the US again.
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Election 2020: Russia vs. China

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Looks like relief bill negotiations have fallen apart and Trump looking to make executive orders instead, which is questionable if they are even legal.

https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1291834173875871744

This kind of stuff is what happens when you get all cocky and have Pelosi saying yinz are master negotiators btw.

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Trump is going to look good out of this, when he issues executive orders doing what Congress can't agree to. But it's really bad for the country long-term. The President should not be able to rule by fiat, like an absolute monarch.

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red sox 777 posted...

Trump is going to look good out of this, when he issues executive orders doing what Congress can't agree to. But it's really bad for the country long-term. The President should not be able to rule by fiat, like an absolute monarch.

It means no stimulus checks are coming.

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Nice plan, have your cronies sabotage all bills so you look good in comparison

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And it's not a whataboutism to acknowledge that trump is next level racist

To acknowledge that his entire 2016 was predicated on "i hate people south of the border" or that a primary goal was to ban muslims from the country

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banananor posted...

And it's not a whataboutism to acknowledge that trump is next level racist

To acknowledge that his entire 2016 was predicated on "i hate people south of the border" or that a primary goal was to ban muslims from the country

When you have to bring up Trump in regards to Biden, it means you are displacing. Trump has nothing to do with what Biden said there.

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Corrik7 posted...

It means no stimulus checks are coming.

If he extends the unemployment and suspends payroll tax, everyone will be better off than with a one time $1200.

Except the one who invoked Trump in the first place was the one who was calling Biden racist to to begin with. Most of this arguing seems to have been over the word choice to equate them on a spectrum of racism.

"But Trump is more racist" isn't being used as a means to argue Biden did nothing wrong/can't be criticized for his comments. It's being argued because "Just because one allows his campaign looking out for him more doesn't mean he's less racist." was introduced as a statement and it's being challenged that "Uh, yeah, one of these two can be and is more racist."

That's not a defense of Biden. ...Has anyone defended Biden here? But just because Biden's comments were awful doesn't provide grounds for someone to just slip in "and he's just as awful as Trump." There's a spectrum here it's not a binary "not racist-racist" switch that flips and Trump is way over in the deep end.

Biden has made a number of racist comments, that's not really at debate here. It's that that doesn't automatically place him in the same stratosphere as "very fine people on both sides" who is literally trying to bring back redlining as we speak.

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HeroicCrono posted...

If he extends the unemployment and suspends payroll tax, everyone will be better off than with a one time $1200.

He can't extend the boosted unemployment benefits. Congress allocates funds, not the Executive. I don't think he can suspend payroll taxes either (he could probably stop enforcing any punishment for nonpayment, but without Congress those taxes should still be owed).

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I'll sort of defend Biden. I think it was here I saw someone say his racist remarks are from ignorance, not malice. And I agree with that. I think he listens and tries to learn, to varying success.

Is that ultimately better? I guess it's not my place to judge that, but I feel infinitely better about that than maliciously racist like Trump.

Edit: I also think I fall into (almost?) all left leaning posters here in that Biden was not my choice and probably wouldn't have even made the top 10 of candidates in the primary.

But I am still going to support him fully now.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

He can't extend the boosted unemployment benefits. Congress allocates funds, not the Executive. I don't think he can suspend payroll taxes either (he could probably stop enforcing any punishment for nonpayment, but without Congress those taxes should still be owed).

Well, this is why it's concerning. If he just does it and dares Congress to sue him...... this is how executives gain power.

And of course, there is already precedent set by DACA that the President can do whatever he wants in the guise of regulating enforcement of the laws.

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Trump giving a press conference right now. Guess we'll find out soon.

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If he were to extend UE without Congress he would have to straight up extend it imo and also would have to move funds from elsewhere alrdy allocated

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By the way, officially our legislators totally suck. And I am looking specifically at the Republicans but the Democrats aren't much better.

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Corrik7 posted...

By the way, officially our legislators totally suck. And I am looking specifically at the Republicans but the Democrats aren't much better.

Thank you for realizing this
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xp1337 posted...

Except the one who invoked Trump in the first place was the one who was calling Biden racist to to begin with. Most of this arguing seems to have been over the word choice to equate them on a spectrum of racism.

"But Trump is more racist" isn't being used as a means to argue Biden did nothing wrong/can't be criticized for his comments. It's being argued because "Just because one allows his campaign looking out for him more doesn't mean he's less racist." was introduced as a statement and it's being challenged that "Uh, yeah, one of these two can be and is more racist."

That's not a defense of Biden. ...Has anyone defended Biden here? But just because Biden's comments were awful doesn't provide grounds for someone to just slip in "and he's just as awful as Trump." There's a spectrum here it's not a binary "not racist-racist" switch that flips and Trump is way over in the deep end.

Biden has made a number of racist comments, that's not really at debate here. It's that that doesn't automatically place him in the same stratosphere as "very fine people on both sides" who is literally trying to bring back redlining as we speak.

I want to thank you for your understated but long history of writing posts that are exactly what I would like to say but better

https://twitter.com/GPrime85/status/1291742144445779969?s=19

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Paratroopa1 posted...

I want to thank you for your understated but long history of writing posts that are exactly what I would like to say but better

I've thanked him for the same before but I'll take this chance to +1 again

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/07/politics/gretchen-whitmer-joe-biden-meeting/index.html

I don't know how to feel about this.

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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1291886166627713026?s=21
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Nobody knew healthcare could be so complicated!

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Oh, you guys are still talking about what I said.

I should clarify: when I said "Just because one allows his campaign looking out for him more doesn't mean he's less racist." I meant that independently of Trump, but I can see the confusion. Like Biden says a racist thing and just because his campaign goes "God fucking damnit here's an apology we're throwing out," and he allows an apology to happen, it doesn't mean he's any less of a racist POS. I was referencing LOTM citing that "well at least he's apologizing" when it doesn't matter that he's apologizing, especially since he's 'clarifying' instead. They were specifically talking about the Latin community and immigration and he just throws out the African American community for no reason here to compare them.

Outside of here, plenty of people have been defending Biden and making excuses for him constantly. He's just racist, that's my point. We have to vote between two racist people for this election, and it's gross.

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In Libertarian Party news:

https://twitter.com/jimantle/status/1291898086541930503?s=21

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This seems pretty fucking concerning:

https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/1291891571558715393?s=21

Hes also instituting a hiring freeze and encouraging voluntary retirements.

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Ob, and an extra bit of fuckery:

https://twitter.com/larrychicago/status/1291940096942407681?s=21

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