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They really need to expand the CFP to 8 teams: The 5 conference champions and 3 at-large berths. The committee decides those three teams as well as seeding, meaning it's possible that a weak team like the champ of last year's Pac-12 shitshow could be the 8 seed.

This would prevent the baloney that was omitting both the Big Ten AND Pac-12 entirely. The SEC/ACC bias is disgusting, and I do agree it's sucking all the fun out of the postseason aspect of the sport. Recruits want rings, so they're going to go to schools where they have a chance to get at least one. This means that those schools will keep winning since they get the best guys.

The precedent has been set that there can be two teams from one conference, and I expect that to recur given how the media shows bias toward specific conferences.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

They really need to expand the CFP to 8 teams: The 5 conference champions and 3 at-large berths. The committee decides those three teams as well as seeding, meaning it's possible that a weak team like the champ of last year's Pac-12 shitshow could be the 8 seed.

This would prevent the baloney that was omitting both the Big Ten AND Pac-12 entirely. The SEC/ACC bias is disgusting, and I do agree it's sucking all the fun out of the postseason aspect of the sport. Recruits want rings, so they're going to go to schools where they have a chance to get at least one. This means that those schools will keep winning since they get the best guys.

The precedent has been set that there can be two teams from one conference, and I expect that to recur given how the media shows bias toward specific conferences.

Only if there is a way to ensure a non power school is involved. If it's gonna be the 5 winners and LSU, Georgia, and Auburn every year then forget about it.

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SmartMuffin posted...

It wouldn't be dicey at all. One-loss defending champion gets in over any and all other one-loss teams. And since Notre Dame + everybody in the Pac-12 already has a loss, it means they couldn't fall farther than #4. The committee would claim otherwise, but that would be a blatant and obvious lie.

That is 100% not how the system works. The question is if the non conference of Clemson was strong enough or not.

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NewerShadow posted...

While this may be hard for you specifically to comprehend, Corrik, being a fan sometimes means owning the negatives that come up for your team (and being frustrated by them). If you cant sometimes accept the surreal like having the worst completion percentage of any p5 team, youre just being a fair weather fan.

Also, Northwestern won their division last year, theres no shame in being a fan! Given that its my alma mater, its not really surprising though.

Why would that be hard for me to comprehend

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Corrik7 posted...

Only if there is a way to ensure a non power school is involved. If it's gonna be the 5 winners and LSU, Georgia, and Auburn every year then forget about it.

It'd be a limit of two teams per conference, to allow for more geographic regions to be represented and to prevent there from being too many rematches. So UCF could have and would have been the 6-seed last year.
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

It'd be a limit of two teams per conference, to allow for more geographic regions to be represented and to prevent there from being too many rematches. So UCF could have and would have been the 6-seed last year.

I think it should be 5 power champs, highest non power 5 conference guaranteed, and 2 at larges from any conference.

I think they should use the old BCS computers to determine at larges/highest ranked non power 5 and not people.

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Corrik7 posted...

BlueCrystalTear posted...

It'd be a limit of two teams per conference, to allow for more geographic regions to be represented and to prevent there from being too many rematches. So UCF could have and would have been the 6-seed last year.

I think it should be 5 power champs, highest non power 5 conference guaranteed, and 2 at larges from any conference.

I think they should use the old BCS computers to determine at larges/highest ranked non power 5 and not people.

I actually agree with you 100% on something!

If ND wants to flex their muscle, fine, give them an automatic at-large bid if they finish Top 8
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That is 100% not how the system works. The question is if the non conference of Clemson was strong enough or not.

You are incredibly naieve.

There's a huge difference between how the committee and their paid spokesmen at ESPN tells you the system works, and how it actually works.
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SMU is ranked for the first time since the death penalty.
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As Tony Kornheiser often says about the playoffs, "It's a television show."
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bye UCF
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Is leading with a Helmet to helmet legal in the ncaa? Florida's HB just got his clock cleaned by a guy and fumbled and no one even mentioned it.
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DoomTheGyarados posted...

Is leading with a Helmet to helmet legal in the ncaa? Florida's HB just got his clock cleaned by a guy and fumbled and no one even mentioned it.

Nope. Targeting was a thing in college before it was a thing in the NFL. Sounds like they just missed it.
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Wow, I didn't think Tennessee had something like that in them. Looks like benching Guarantano was the right call.
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https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1180644765047623681
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LeonhartFour posted...

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1180644765047623681

SMU is ranked and they made a mistake this bad? Woah.
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....but then made an insane comeback and great catch to win it in 3OT

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(call was reversed)

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BlueCrystalTear posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1180644765047623681

SMU is ranked and they made a mistake this bad? Woah.

It's not quite as good as this, but the Beavers pulled off a bizarre drop-kick that they recovered after a personal foul on the TD allowed them to kick-off from the 50.
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aaaaaaand WE GOT A CONFERENCE WIN! FUCK YEAH!!!!
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The number of undefeated teams is low enough now that there's room for all of them in the top 25 without having to forgo the obvious 1-loss inclusions.

Will they all get in? Doubtful. Voters still put too much emphasis on preseason expectations, so teams with weird losses get excused. At this point in the season, I feel like you shouldn't be ranked ahead of a team that beat you--there are enough teams still undefeated or with losses only to undefeated teams, or even with losses only to those teams, to discredit teams with losses to scrubs.

This philosophy discredits most of the Pac-12, however. Washington looks like they deserve their ranking, but they lost to Cal, who lost to Arizona State, who also looks like they ought to be ranked but they lost to Colorado, who lost to both Arizona and Air Force, the former of which lost to Hawaii, which, uh...lost to Washington. Huh. Didn't even realize that yesterday's Arizona > Colorado result closed a loss circle. USC and Utah are both out via a simple triangle with BYU.

Fun fact, though: UNC is 3-3, losing games by 6 points, 3 points, and 1 point. All three of the teams that beat them are still undefeated. In my mind, this is as good a reason as any to not only give Wake Forest (the 6-point win) the benefit of the doubt (I have them 14th in my methodology), but also to not worry about conference and say that Appalachian State deserves to be in the conversation for the Group of 5 bid (at least for now; an undefeated Boise State, SMU, or Memphis, or even a 1-loss Tulane, easily beats them).
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This philosophy discredits most of the Pac-12

The Pac-12 discredits itself. We don't need any help.
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Wow, Tennessee might beat a real team today.
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Did South Carolina really attempt a 57 yard FG rather than go for it on 4th and 3? I'd have thought the chances of getting 3 yards would be a lot higher than hitting a 57 yarder

Or is their kicker really that good?

Why we didn't try a 60 yarder with maybe the best kicker in college...

Ugh

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And he just missed a 42 yarder

Not often that Tennessee wins and Georgia doesn't
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Lol Georgia
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Yay OU

Boo Texas
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Dr Football, did you get an unsportsmanlike penalty also?
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LSU vs Florida just took on added meaning I think.

Go Florida Go
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Yes, so I had to hide my horns down signals from the TV
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Gees Clemson all over fsu

Absolutely pathetic playcalling, game management, and officiating, costs Tech a win against Baylor.
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ShatteredElysium posted...

Did South Carolina really attempt a 57 yard FG rather than go for it on 4th and 3? I'd have thought the chances of getting 3 yards would be a lot higher than hitting a 57 yarder

It never crossed my mind to try an FG there. I would've gone for it, or maybe punted for the same reasons as you. Was a very bad decision, but somehow they pulled off one hell of an upset, and now Georgia's out of the playoff, so yay.
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the coaching in the late stages of that game was horrendous on BOTH sides

as it usually is

I still maintain, the average middle schooler who plays a lot of Madden understands game management better than the average college coach
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Go Gators
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BlueCrystalTear posted...

ShatteredElysium posted...

Did South Carolina really attempt a 57 yard FG rather than go for it on 4th and 3? I'd have thought the chances of getting 3 yards would be a lot higher than hitting a 57 yarder

It never crossed my mind to try an FG there. I would've gone for it, or maybe punted for the same reasons as you. Was a very bad decision, but somehow they pulled off one hell of an upset, and now Georgia's out of the playoff, so yay.

I would think if Georgia win out they would still get in. As they would win the east still and then beat whoever the west champion is (Alabama or LSU I assume) and I can't see the SEC champ not getting in even if they are one loss. I mean hypothetically Georgia would then have high ranked wins against Notre Dame, Florida, Auburn and LSU or Alabama at that point.

Granted I think that is a massive ask of them to win out.

Georgia is going to lose to Alabama by 20+
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Well I don't think they are going to make it to Alabama in the first place. Was more just mentioning that they have a route to the playoffs still

Their "route to the playoffs" would require them to beat Alabama though. Which won't happen. Prior to today, their "route to the playoffs" was "have only one loss and have it be to Alabama."
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Nah, even if Georgia wins out, the committee has proven that it won't put a 1-loss team in if they feel the resume isn't good enough, and losing to the Gamecocks in their house is a pretty big black mark on their resume.

If you can't tell that I still have some bitterness left in me from 2017, well, I DO. So there.

Thank goodness there won't be two SEC teams in this year though. That is very, very bad for the NCAA.
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I mean theoretically who would they put in if Georgia somehow managed to win the SEC? Worst case scenario for them you would have

1. Unbeaten Clemson
2. Unbeaten Big 10 Champion
3. Unbeaten Big 12 Champion

Then who do you have behind that?

1 loss Alabama or LSU who they would have beat?
1 loss Notre Dame who they would have beat?
1 loss Pac 12 champion (Oregon or Utah I guess)?
1 loss Big 10 or 12 non champion (which I guess would someone from Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State, Baylor or Oklahoma)

I guess the absolute worst case scenario would be for Michigan to run the table and get revenge on Wisconsin in the title game. Then you'd have a 1 loss Wisconsin and 1 loss Michigan team but even then I can't see them leaving out the SEC champ

Is there a scenario I'm forgetting about? Other than a non P5 unbeaten team.

An SEC team would get in regardless in that case, since the Pac-12 gets zero respect. But let's say it's Georgia vs. Bama in the title game. Bama is undefeated going in. Georgia wins. I'm thinking that the team that lost to a "respectable" team would get in over a team with an inexcusable loss, even if that "respectable" team is the one with the inexcusable loss.

Georgia lost to a 2-3 team at home, a team that it was favored over by 20 points. That's... pretty telling how overrated the Bulldogs are this year. So I do agree that they're not going to run the table.

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ShatteredElysium posted...

I guess the absolute worst case scenario would be for Michigan to run the table and get revenge on Wisconsin in the title game.

Please don't.
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The scenario in which the SEC gets zero teams in is so unbelievable and convoluted it's not even worth theorizing about.
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Only way SEC wouldn't get a team in would be if they all beat each other up. Like something silly like

Florida > LSU
LSU > Alabama
Georgia > Florida
Georgia > Auburn
Auburn > LSU
Auburn > Alabama

Auburn > Georgia

That gives you a 2 loss Auburn as the champion I think? With a 2 loss Bama, LSU and Georgia. Then you would have Florida with 1 loss but not making the title game.

It's just ridiculously unlikely and honestly I still don't know if they hold out an SEC champion that had wins against LSU, Alabama, Georgia and Oregon (who may be PAC 12 champ).

SEC team is virtually a lock to get in every season unless we are talking about multiple losses to highly ranked teams like how Georgia lost today to a lesser SEC team.

BlueCrystalTear posted...

Also...
ShatteredElysium posted...
I guess the absolute worst case scenario would be for Michigan to run the table and get revenge on Wisconsin in the title game.

Please don't.

Please do
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ShatteredElysium posted...

I guess the absolute worst case scenario would be for Michigan to run the table and get revenge on Wisconsin in the title game. Then you'd have a 1 loss Wisconsin and 1 loss Michigan team

Yeah I wouldn't worry about that

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Aww yeah, 6-0!

I have no doubt that Wisconsin is going to win the division, but I am ecstatic nonetheless.
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Penn State won. But boy the refs sure did make it hard. Holy.
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LOLIAmAnAlt posted...

Penn State won. But boy the refs sure did make it hard. Holy.

Man that ref group. Every challenge you just had no idea what they would do. Was like they were flipping a coin. And this is from an Iowa fan.

Iowa's offense is just not very good though and Stanley is as inaccurate as ever. Looks like another classic Ferentz 7 win season on the way.
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Alabama and LSU are 1-2 in the AP Poll. Are we going to get Game of the Century 2?
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