Board 8 > The Phantom Menace is somehow WORSE than I remembered.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Vader blew up an entire planet's worth of people in episode 4. I honestly don't know if I agreed he could be redeemed.
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Have we literally forgot about the younglings!!
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redrocket_pub posted...

Have we literally forgot about the younglings!!

We're talking about Vader's actions just during the OT here

otherwise I'd have already made that joke
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I mean it's extremely obvious just going by the OT that he is Space Hitler with magic powers, so...
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5 is the best star wars movie. Pretty much everything we know as the emotional palette of the series is established here

7 was incredibly sterile. Outside of han's arc I don't think I felt anything during the entire movie other than spectacle. The villains weren't threatening at all and few things made logical sense. This is outside the lore disappointment that the galaxy has been "soft reset" and the original trilogy rendered meaningless. Granted, it hit plenty of neat visual notes and did what it had to do- re establish what the series was about and prove star wars still had what it takes to sell toys

6 had some fun space battles with great choreography. This is even though Ewoks sucked and I found the battle with palpatine cheesy as shit. "Hey, here's exactly how to lose, Luke... deww it!" Every time Luke was about to turn, palp would shout something dumb and bring him to his senses. I also hate many of the changes they keep adding to the movie in subsequent editions to loop in the prequel trilogy

4 was a solid foundation that remained logical and had some soul to it

The prequels are just a hot mess we don't need to get into. Just watch the red letter media thing.

Rogue one was fun, but it felt even more like an avengers/fast and furious movie or d20 campaign than usual. I'm totally fine with Jedi (who have precognition) effortlessly mowing down generic soldiers. My suspension of disbelief goes away when 'random person with gun' does the same.

It's hard to create a one dimensional ranking, and I haven't seen 6 in a while...

5 > 4 > 7 = 6 = rogue1 >>> 3 > 2 = 1
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Huh. My favorite star wars movie was rogue one. Didn't realize how unpopular an opinion that was
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That is certainly a take (post #205).
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banananor posted...

Vader blew up an entire planet's worth of people in episode 4. I honestly don't know if I agreed he could be redeemed.

That was Tarkin.
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Finished II and III

AOTC - As I briefly touched on earlier, the Anakin/Padme scenes are probably even worse this time around. It's not a surprise to anyone, as their dialogue in this movie is the stuff of legend. The film ends with another uninteresting, messy land battle, but at least it's better (or less worse) than the one that caps off PM. The Sith apprentice, Count Dooku, also says things, and despite Hayden Christensen's wooden deliver, at least Anakin and Obi-Wan have a more interesting relationship than the latter did with Qui-Gon. Obi really carried this movie, one that I now think is a good step ahead of PM.

ROTS - The best of the three. It's not a great movie by any means, but I actually felt some real emotion here. My gf and I both felt for Obi-Wan when he learned of Anakin's villainous turn. This movie also featured the best PT Anakin performance (a very low bar, but hey at least he's not horrible here) and the best action scenes. It's still stuffed with camp (I really need to look into "high ground" - it just CAN'T be as random as it seems... ok, it can and probably is), but I think the dialogue and delivery here is improved as a whole over the earlier films.

Overall, whereas I was unsure about 1 and 2 beforehand, I now think it's a clear case of 3 > 2 > 1. The first two are still bad, but ROTS pleasantly surprised me and crept into this "omg it might actually be good" territory. It's closer on the spectrum to TFA than it is to EpI/II.

I - 1/5 (irredeemably horrible)
II - 2/5
III - 3/5
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I am going to stand by this - Ewoks do not suck. People who hate Ewoks usually are compensating for something.
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I don't hate ewoks but their whole arc is boring and they do ruin whatever little credibility stormtroopers had left at that point. They're more a symptom of RotJ's problems than a cause, though.
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Agree 100% with NeoElfboy btw, couldn't have said it better myself. Like I do think their part of the movie is terrible, but the actual Ewoks aren't really the problem.

I don't even hate Jar Jar though (kid Anakin is the one to hate on, not him) so I'm pretty forgiving of the typical hate targets in Star Wars.
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It just feels played out to hate on Ewoks and Jar Jar. They're bad but just being like GRRRR I HATE THAT JAR JAR is really missing the point for me when everything else about the movie is also stupid

The ewoks arent inherently bad.

Its just that Han and Leias entire section of that movie feels really pointless because it is.
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Return of the Jedi is frustratingly full of filler

Like I really hate that Luke is like, yeah lol let's go to the Ewok planet, ok we had some pointless adventures there, actually I gtg but you stay here so you can have a token role in the film's climax later

I had planned to rewatch the movies before Episode VIII came out but apparently you can't just one-time rent any Star Wars movie online on any legit sites other than TFA or Rogue One. You have to pay like 20 bucks apiece and permanently purchase them, and I certainly ain't doin' that for the prequels.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

People who hate Ewoks usually are compensating for something.

ok
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The Ewoks by themselves are pretty funny, but why did their antics have to be THE reason for The Empire's defeat?
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LinkMarioSamus posted...

The Ewoks by themselves are pretty funny, but why did their antics have to be THE reason for The Empire's defeat?

Yeah. I don't hate the ewoks, I hate the ensuing ridiculous land battle centered around ewok tech

Sort of felt like it was lampooning the empire in general and took me out of the moment
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Honestly I think the Ewok scene could've been decent with a different presentation

Lucas could've learned a lot from current day WWE-- Ewoks cause the distraction finish allowing Han and Leia to roll up the empire as it were.

Having the Ewoks just basically kick their ass was dumb though.
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it's basically a commentary on the American Revolution

the prim and proper Empire isn't accustomed to guerrilla war and can't adapt
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These are some mighty generous interpretations of the ewok
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I caught this on TV this past weekend, pretty much my first time seeing it since 1999.

Yeah, it's real bad.
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Ha, too funny! I was actually just thinking about this over the weekend when I caught parts of Phantom while flipping through cable channels. "Yikes, this is awful. I can't believe yo watched it four or five times in the theater, I wonder what he'd think about it now..."

Happy to have my questions answered!


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Also this experience has inspired me to launch Star Wars Week, with a new poll every day. Get to voting!

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/76088494


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"Many Bothans died...to bring us this information."

I love that line

like it's supposed to have a lot of gravitas but you have no idea what a Bothan even is so why are you supposed to care
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In a way that line was as big if not a bigger sign that there'd be problems with the PT than the Ewoks.
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oh my goodness you guys

how star wars was saved in the edit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk

this is a new video (it's newer than this topic!) showing all the things that changed from Lucas's early cut of A New Hope to the release

where did they get all this footage from the early cut? I've never even heard of a lot of this stuff. Treadwell? What the fuck is that?

I'd always heard that a talented group of people had taken George's mess of a movie to fix ANH and Empire into the masterpieces they are, but this really sells it.
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LeonhartFour posted...

"Many Bothans died...to bring us this information."

I love that line

like it's supposed to have a lot of gravitas but you have no idea what a Bothan even is so why are you supposed to care

True, but it would still be funny if she'd said something like "Many wookies died to bring us this information."
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okay I went out and bought the six movie box set so I could watch these (physical > digital anyway) and I just finished watching Return of the Jedi

it's still the best

it's also why Luke is the best character in the movies
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I just watched Rogue One

It was okay. Better than TFA. But the first 2/3s of the movie was a combination of completely scatterbrained and boring so I only liked it so much despite the last 1/3 being actually pretty good. Robot was a good character. The dialogue where they were bantering was funny at times-- not sure about the serious stuff though, kinda flat.

Probably still worse than Revenge of the Sith but I'll have to digest it.
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K-2SO so good
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LeonhartFour posted...

okay I went out and bought the six movie box set so I could watch these (physical > digital anyway) and I just finished watching Return of the Jedi

it's still the best

it's also why Luke is the best character in the movies

In that every other character in the series very suddenly tanks sure.
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nope
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LeonhartFour posted...

"Many Bothans died...to bring us this information."

I love that line

like it's supposed to have a lot of gravitas but you have no idea what a Bothan even is so why are you supposed to care

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Whenever I catch Rogue One on TV I just think "yeah, this is Star Wars" and change the channel.

Whereas once when I caught The Force Awakens on TV I got drawn into the story for a good while.

Also once I caught a "top 40 sci-fi movies" as voted on by British viewers on TV, and strangely, Return of the Jedi was the highest-ranking Star Wars film there, at #4. The Empire Strikes Back was #5, the original was #13, The Force Awakens was #15, and Rogue One was #17. Just thought it might be interesting to share.
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See the thing is regular ass people love the Ewoks.
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LeonhartFour posted...

it's also why Luke is the best character in the movies

agree with you on this, at least!
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Anagram posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

"Many Bothans died...to bring us this information."

I love that line

like it's supposed to have a lot of gravitas but you have no idea what a Bothan even is so why are you supposed to care

True, but it would still be funny if she'd said something like "Many wookies died to bring us this information."

"Many Gungans died to bring us this information."
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MrGreenonion posted...

Anagram posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

"Many Bothans died...to bring us this information."

I love that line

like it's supposed to have a lot of gravitas but you have no idea what a Bothan even is so why are you supposed to care

True, but it would still be funny if she'd said something like "Many wookies died to bring us this information."

"Many Gungans died to bring us this information."

Everyone in the room, hopefully: "Really?!"

Jar Jar, coming into the room late: "Yoohoo, meesa here! Why everyone so excited?"

Everyone: "Awwww."

UltimaterializerX posted...

Star Wars has been trash from day one.

have to admit this is a hot take even from you Ulti
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Day 2 is online, and it's time to decide The Ultimate Badass!

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/76092750


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okay I am bracing myself to watch Phantom Menace for the first time in 18 years

I'll check back in when it's over
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I request that you also check back when you first hear a line of dialogue that is both well written and well delivered.
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

I request that you also check back when you first hear a line of dialogue that is both well written and well delivered.

you were right

the negotiations were short

okay maybe not

also who or what IS the Phantom Menace supposed to be?
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also I did like Obi-Wan's clearly disgusted "what's THIS" when he first sees Jar Jar

but all the alien accents are awful so far
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Palpatine

Or, alternately, Jar Jar
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I think it's generally considered to be Sidious? As a kid, I assumed it was Darth Maul, but he has such an insignificant role that I can't imagine they'd give him the title.

I'm sure some people also think it's referring to Anakin.
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And here's a question that's been on my mind for a while, and I'll ask it here before finally remembering to Google it.

Why do Sith Lords WANT a powerful apprentice?
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