Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 105: Ossoff wins Handel-y? Or Too Much to Handel?

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LapisLazuli posted...

Ah, you're pissed called out on being racist and not making a topic about a terrorist attack because you're people didnit. That would be pretty annoying.

Note I wasn't the one who brought you up in that topic!

Literally.

LapisLazuli posted...

Posting the same link two times in a row, man you're upset. And it doesn't even help your case! At least find a real example.

Fucking.

LapisLazuli posted...

GuessMyUserName posted...

i thought ulti took his ball and went home what happened

Seph realized he was the only right wing nut left and panicked. He's been @ing Ulti continuously.

Obsessed.



Holy lol, this guy needs some serious help.

You should legitimately try not posting on Board 8. It seriously will make you happier, I swear.
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I'm responding directly to you. Everyone of those is a response to a post you made about me or a response to a post someone else made about you. By your criteria, looks like you're literally obsessed.

Its a shame you failed to take your own advice!
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From a buddy of mine, who is admittedly far more mature than I am:

Looks like Democrats from California, New York and Massachusetts were unable to buy the sixth district race in Georgia. They will lose by an even greater margin than Trump took in November. I will keep warning them that the American public is sick and tired of the fake news and conspiracies. You're going to have your heads handed to you in 2018 if you don't put the country above your zeal for power. Resisting Trump is NOT a winning strategy. The polls are not telling you the real story. The people like Trump's agenda but find Trump abrasive. Don't conflate the two.

This is a fair point. Trump's style is dumb as shit, and I won't argue otherwise. It's like... get off twitter and stop being a bitter asshole bro, you won the election and you're the president. Move on. Go to work and do your job.

But his agenda and what he's promised (not to mention what he's done already) have been top notch. If he can pair his agenda with a better decorum, he really will go down as our best president ever.
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Honestly, Ulti and Seph are right. This SHOULD be a humiliating loss.

The left is content to just go along, business as usual, and expect "Look how bad Trump is!" to win them elections.

New flash. Business as usual isn't going to work.

They need to wake the fuck up.
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UltiWasRight posted...

ff6man posted...

I'm sad that all I see Ulti do now is come into politics topics and troll. I used to appreciate his topics/posts so much. Makes me wonder what happened to make him so bitter and unhappy.

My posts in this topic are very happy and are basically the exact opposite of bitter. Please cite specific examples proving your point instead of putting out meaningless platitudes. I'm happy leftists lost yet another election and wasted 40 million more dollars. They went all-in in Georgia, in hopes that flipping the district would send a message to Trump. They lost bigly. Liberals were hoping they could flip a bunch of red districts, but after losing an election where they spent 40 million dollars, democrats are going to be reticent to run in these areas. What likely happens is the country sharply divides into red states vs blue states on the hill, and there are more red states than blue states. If dems couldn't flip this district, what will they flip? That isn't me being bitter, that's just pure analysis. I'm pretty good at analyzing things after the fact, you know ;)

I am not a bitter/unhappy person just because I don't go along with the radicalized SJW leftist garbage that Board 8's liberals go along with. I've been much happier since I stopped posting here, which is not a coincidence. This is an extremely toxic forum loaded with extremely toxic people. Just look at LTM's posting history for an amazing example.

We win elections. We win hearts and minds in the real world. That's all that matters.

Dude... all you do is come in here to post about how you were right about X thing and how all the leftists are idiots. All I see out of you is posts with an express purpose to rub stuff in people's faces/upset people that you dislike. That reeks of bitter unhappiness to me. That you're trying to make yourself feel like a winner despite all the people who tell you otherwise and who are against you in this topic.

I'm not saying other people don't post mean-spirited things either, but it's literally all I see out of you and it sucks when I respect your opinions on so many things. I understand you'll probably say I'm not showing specific examples and my opinion is incorrect/invalid because that's what you do when someone points out such things about you, and that's fine, but eh, I want you to know anyway that that's how I feel. (If you want specific examples, just look at nearly every post by you in this topic so far. You literally post a copy and paste sentence multiple times for what is obviously the express purpose of pissing people off.)

That said, these topics are quite toxic and are a serious echo chamber to an extent, but it doesn't help when almost every person with a differing view (aka, non left) seems to come in with hostilities at full steam, looking to insult/alienate every left leaning person in the topic.

Basically, if you find yourself posting how wrong "leftists" or "liberals" are, you're probably being a dick. On that same note, if you find yourself posting how wrong all right wingers are, you're probably being a dick too. I wish people could just post about politics without being at each others throats, but I guess it's a lost cause.
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LapisLazuli posted...

I'm responding directly to you. Everyone of those is a response to a post you made about me or a response to a post someone else made about you. By your criteria, looks like you're literally obsessed.

Nah, my personal life turned around the second I stopped spending unnecessary time with people like you, both on and offline. You are nothing but toxic, bitter people who make everyone around you miserable and I don't welcome it in my life anymore. It isn't just Board 8 really, social media in general is designed to turn people into sociopaths.

Turning the computer off unless absolutely necessary is the best decision I made in ages. You are more than welcome to stay addicted to it and let it ruin your life, but it won't ruin mine.
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With all that said, the democrats as they are in the US need to change the way to do things or they are going to lose again and again. I'm quite glad to be Canadian.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Honestly, Ulti and Seph are right. This SHOULD be a humiliating loss.

The left is content to just go along, business as usual, and expect "Look how bad Trump is!" to win them elections.

New flash. Business as usual isn't going to work.

They need to wake the fuck up.

Actually, this election Ossoff was accused of not going after Trump enough and running on just the issues.

In fact, Bernie Bros are saying he wasn't populous enough (i.e. empty messages with no real actual plans) and that's why he lost.
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I don't know about humiliating, but I would certainly say it's disappointing.

It's a district that *shouldn't* have been as close as it was, and yes, that indicates a shift that, if translated, could lead to major gains - if not retaking - the House in 2018 but I mean... you've got to come away with a win at some point.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Honestly, Ulti and Seph are right. This SHOULD be a humiliating loss.

The left is content to just go along, business as usual, and expect "Look how bad Trump is!" to win them elections.

New flash. Business as usual isn't going to work.

They need to wake the fuck up.

I think the problem is twofold: one, taking Trump out of the equation, you had a candidate BODYSLAM a reporter and get CHEERED, and you had a candidate say that she doesn't support a wage that allows a forty hour work week to pay enough to sustain a person's life.

Two, it's the general idea that the right DOES win elections with "Look how bad the Democrats are!", even going so far as to link Ossoff to Pelosi because they had nothing else to attack him on.

The fact that it seems like Democrats need to nominate a charismatic fucking SAINT just to overcome a generic Republican (who might actively advocate violence against 50% of the population that isn't Republican)...it's depressing at this point.
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UltiWasRight posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

I'm responding directly to you. Everyone of those is a response to a post you made about me or a response to a post someone else made about you. By your criteria, looks like you're literally obsessed.

Nah, my personal life turned around the second I stopped spending unnecessary time with people like you, both on and offline. You are nothing but toxic, bitter people who make everyone around you miserable and I don't welcome it in my life anymore. It isn't just Board 8 really, social media in general is designed to turn people into sociopaths.

Turning the computer off unless absolutely necessary is the best decision I made in ages. You are more than welcome to stay addicted to it and let it ruin your life, but it won't ruin mine.

See look at this post, you literally insult the guy multiple times, then hypocritically state you only turn the computer on unless absolutely necessary as if posting this response to a guy you dislike is absolutely necessary.

If someone pisses you off online, let it go and move on, you'll be even more happy then you claim to be, I promise.

I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just saying you're coming across the exact opposite of how you want to.
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UltiWasRight posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

I'm responding directly to you. Everyone of those is a response to a post you made about me or a response to a post someone else made about you. By your criteria, looks like you're literally obsessed.

Nah, my personal life turned around the second I stopped spending unnecessary time with people like you, both on and offline. You are nothing but toxic, bitter people who make everyone around you miserable and I don't welcome it in my life anymore. It isn't just Board 8 really, social media in general is designed to turn people into sociopaths.

Turning the computer off unless absolutely necessary is the best decision I made in ages. You are more than welcome to stay addicted to it and let it ruin your life, but it won't ruin mine.

So why are you posting?

You claim it's because Seph @ you, but that doesn't force you. In fact, It means you were looking for it.

This post contradicts all of your actions in this topic.
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I mean, Dems should be disappointed but not necessarily in panic mode because they are literally competing in districts that are R+10-20, so what happens in purple districts in the midterms that went for Republicans in the House?

There's a real danger on both sides, because if elections were held tomorrow the Republicans would likely lose the house because they are not winning these special elections by much. And becoming the party of "No" works, ask how the Republicans got all their gains. The economy is doing ok, but it's not seeing the massive gains (sans the Stock Market) that will help rust-belt groups that helped give us a President Trump.

Basically, Dems should be frustrated with these results and they need help with messaging, but don't think that Republicans are just gonna dominate because they're winning close elections in decidedly red districts.
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LapisLazuli posted...

This post contradicts all of your actions in this topic.

i'm gonna try and intervene here

i think the problem you're having here is that you're expecting this conversation can be "won" by presenting logic and evidence

i think the sooner you realize this expectation is held in error the sooner you will see what's going on here
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xp1337 posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

This post contradicts all of your actions in this topic.

i'm gonna try and intervene here

i think the problem you're having here is that you're expecting this conversation can be "won" by presenting logic and evidence

i think the sooner you realize this expectation is held in error the sooner you will see what's going on here

....ugh, I suppose your right.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Honestly, Ulti and Seph are right. This SHOULD be a humiliating loss.

The left is content to just go along, business as usual, and expect "Look how bad Trump is!" to win them elections.

New flash. Business as usual isn't going to work.

They need to wake the fuck up.

I appreciate your honesty here instead of going with partisan crap.

I'm a registered independent, not a republican, and there's a lot of things the left does that I agree with. TONS of things the right does that I fucking hate. The right is dead wrong on most social issues, and military spending is fucking stupid right now. The drug war is ridiculous. The anti-gay stuff should have already been a dead issue. The right during the Obama years would happily tell us that you're more likely to die from a bee sting than a terrorist, but now Trump is in there and all I hear about are terrorists. Even taking into account recent terrorism, the numbers are nothing compared to things like obesity, cancer, heart disease, and so on. Isn't there better stuff to spend our time on? If a terrorist wants to blow himself up, you won't stop him. But we can put that 40 million dollars Ossoff got into cancer research, you know? Shit's so dumb.

The left needs to disavow all this violence, this "resistance" garbage, and just relax. Losing one election isn't the end of the world. But when they sit there and do dumb things like follow up "not all Muslims are terrorists" (which is true!!!!!! most muslims are the nicest people you'll ever meet) with blaming all white people for any violent act from a white guy, they are directly costing democrats votes. The public is sick of this stuff and sees right through what the media is doing.

There are more democrats than republicans in this country, largely because people relate to social issues when the left isn't moving the overton window too far left. It's no accident that the election in South Carolina was closer than the one in Georgia. Just play things straight. How have they not figured this out yet? I'm no political strategist, but I can see the path for the left here. The country wants "middle" -- centrists. Give it to them.
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UltiWasRight posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

Honestly, Ulti and Seph are right. This SHOULD be a humiliating loss.

The left is content to just go along, business as usual, and expect "Look how bad Trump is!" to win them elections.

New flash. Business as usual isn't going to work.

They need to wake the fuck up.

I appreciate your honesty here instead of going with partisan crap.

I'm a registered independent, not a republican, and there's a lot of things the left does that I agree with. TONS of things the right does that I fucking hate. The right is dead wrong on most social issues, and military spending is fucking stupid right now. The drug war is ridiculous. The anti-gay stuff should have already been a dead issue. The right during the Obama years would happily tell us that you're more likely to die from a bee sting than a terrorist, but now Trump is in there and all I hear about are terrorists. Even taking into account recent terrorism, the numbers are nothing compared to things like obesity, cancer, heart disease, and so on. Isn't there better stuff to spend our time on? If a terrorist wants to blow himself up, you won't stop him. But we can put that 40 million dollars Ossoff got into cancer research, you know? Shit's so dumb.

The left needs to disavow all this violence, this "resistance" garbage, and just relax. Losing one election isn't the end of the world. But when they sit there and do dumb things like follow up "not all Muslims are terrorists" (which is true!!!!!! most muslims are the nicest people you'll ever meet) with blaming all white people for any violent act from a white guy, they are directly costing democrats votes. The public is sick of this stuff and sees right through what the media is doing.

There are more democrats than republicans in this country, largely because people relate to social issues when the left isn't moving the overton window too far left. It's no accident that the election in South Carolina was closer than the one in Georgia. Just play things straight. How have they not figured this out yet? I'm no political strategist, but I can see the path for the left here. The country wants "middle" -- centrists. Give it to them.

Agree with all this.
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ff6man posted...

Dude... all you do is come in here to post about how you were right about X thing and how all the leftists are idiots. All I see out of you is posts with an express purpose to rub stuff in people's faces/upset people that you dislike. That reeks of bitter unhappiness to me. That you're trying to make yourself feel like a winner despite all the people who tell you otherwise and who are against you in this topic.

I'm not saying other people don't post mean-spirited things either, but it's literally all I see out of you and it sucks when I respect your opinions on so many things. I understand you'll probably say I'm not showing specific examples and my opinion is incorrect/invalid because that's what you do when someone points out such things about you, and that's fine, but eh, I want you to know anyway that that's how I feel. (If you want specific examples, just look at nearly every post by you in this topic so far. You literally post a copy and paste sentence multiple times for what is obviously the express purpose of pissing people off.)

That said, these topics are quite toxic and are a serious echo chamber to an extent, but it doesn't help when almost every person with a differing view (aka, non left) seems to come in with hostilities at full steam, looking to insult/alienate every left leaning person in the topic.

Basically, if you find yourself posting how wrong "leftists" or "liberals" are, you're probably being a dick. On that same note, if you find yourself posting how wrong all right wingers are, you're probably being a dick too. I wish people could just post about politics without being at each others throats, but I guess it's a lost cause.

What you're missing is that this topic was okay for a topic or two, but before long it turned into a leftist circle that just bullied everyone else and mass marked all of their messages. I assure you that every post made by someone not in the club gets marked at least five times. When someone gets bullied for long enough, they eventually fight back and start punching people in the mouth. Or they just leave and go to where they're accepted, like I did. So of course the anti-leftist people are going to rub it in after they've been treated like shit for so long.

And if you think I'm alone in that, violence against Trump supporters and the media supporting it with their double standards was a huge reason Trump won. Trump's best strategy was pointing out the leftist media's confirmation bias and telling people to pay attention to it.

Example: A moron just ran over some poor Muslims in London, which is a deplorable act and he should have the book thrown at him. Screw that guy. The media rightly called out the guy for being a POS, too.

Compare it with how the media acts when a Trump supporter gets attacked. Did you honestly know about the Trump supporter who got stabbed 9 times?
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TheRock1525 posted...

There's a real danger on both sides, because if elections were held tomorrow the Republicans would likely lose the house because they are not winning these special elections by much. And becoming the party of "No" works, ask how the Republicans got all their gains. The economy is doing ok, but it's not seeing the massive gains (sans the Stock Market) that will help rust-belt groups that helped give us a President Trump.

My major fear/concern is that this logic breaks down if the two sides are motivated by different forces. It is absolutely true that the Republicans benefited from being the party of "No" and being as obstructionist as they could, 2012 Presidential Election notwithstanding.

I am not, however, entirely sure such tactics will work in motivating Democratic voters. Nor am I entirely convinced that Republican voters would be demotivated/switch as you outline. Even if they aren't actually helped, if they perceive they have it may not matter. (IIRC you can see how the numbers on the economy shift on partisan lines even when its state hasn't really changed all that much)

It's really unfortunate, but I think there really might be something to the whole "Democrats need to find a charismatic candidate above all else because they just refuse to turn out sufficiently otherwise, policy be damned."

but then i have been spiraling into pessimism and cynicism over these things for a while now so maybe i'm just wrong. hope i am.
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http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/827/621/fd6.gif
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Liberals are in trouble if Rock concedes the economy is doing well.

It isn't just the stock market. Consumer confidence and small business numbers are the highest they've been since the 80s.
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UltiWasRight posted...

Liberals are in trouble if Rock concedes the economy is doing well.

It isn't just the stock market. Consumer confidence and small business numbers are the highest they've been since the 80s.

What of Trump's doing would you attribute to this?
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xp1337 posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

There's a real danger on both sides, because if elections were held tomorrow the Republicans would likely lose the house because they are not winning these special elections by much. And becoming the party of "No" works, ask how the Republicans got all their gains. The economy is doing ok, but it's not seeing the massive gains (sans the Stock Market) that will help rust-belt groups that helped give us a President Trump.

My major fear/concern is that this logic breaks down if the two sides are motivated by different forces. It is absolutely true that the Republicans benefited from being the party of "No" and being as obstructionist as they could, 2012 Presidential Election notwithstanding.

I am not, however, entirely sure such tactics will work in motivating Democratic voters. Nor am I entirely convinced that Republican voters would be demotivated/switch as you outline. Even if they aren't actually helped, if they perceive they have it may not matter. (IIRC you can see how the numbers on the economy shift on partisan lines even when its state hasn't really changed all that much)

It's really unfortunate, but I think there really might be something to the whole "Democrats need to find a charismatic candidate above all else because they just refuse to turn out sufficiently otherwise, policy be damned."

but then i have been spiraling into pessimism and cynicism over these things for a while now so maybe i'm just wrong. hope i am.

Democratic voters don't want them to be the party of no. Their voters simply have different standards for their leaders. Not better or worse, just different.
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UltiWasRight posted...

Liberals are in trouble if Rock concedes the economy is doing well.

It isn't just the stock market. Consumer confidence and small business numbers are the highest they've been since the 80s.

...and they've been that way--and rising--since before Trump.

So good job Donald not ruining that in your first 4 months.
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StealThisSheen posted...

UltiWasRight posted...

Liberals are in trouble if Rock concedes the economy is doing well.

It isn't just the stock market. Consumer confidence and small business numbers are the highest they've been since the 80s.

What of Trump's doing would you attribute to this?

Literally all of it. Economics are one thing a president can take full credit for, even in cases of good or bad luck. Bill Clinton got lucky that he was in office during the dotcom boom, but I would argue he's to credit for the environment that created that boom in the first place. Then you look at Bush, and everyone blames him for bad gas prices and the housing crisis. Neither was directly his fault, but it was still his economic environment. History remembers economics and wars above just about everything else.
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UltiWasRight posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

UltiWasRight posted...

Liberals are in trouble if Rock concedes the economy is doing well.

It isn't just the stock market. Consumer confidence and small business numbers are the highest they've been since the 80s.

What of Trump's doing would you attribute to this?

Literally all of it. Economics are one thing a president can take full credit for, even in cases of good or bad luck. Bill Clinton got lucky that he was in office during the dotcom boom, but I would argue he's to credit for the environment that created that boom in the first place. Then you look at Bush, and everyone blames him for bad gas prices and the housing crisis. Neither was directly his fault, but it was still his economic environment. History remembers economics and wars above just about everything else.

Please be specific, as that didn't answer anything.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

...and they've been that way--and rising--since before Trump.

So good job Donald not ruining that in your first 4 months.

I have my doubts that you're in tune with small business owners and investors, bro. There was an immediate effect and they all credit Trump for it. Obama's effect on economics was legendarily bad. I like the dude, but he was terrible on finances.
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I don't see how you get more center than Ossof's campaign message. It was literally "Congress spends too much and I'll work with anyone to change that" over and over and fucking over again.

I mean it's a single button issue designed to try to get everyone to agree and a non-committal solution, but it's a center approach nonetheless.

I live next to the 6th, so I'm mostly just glad I can stop hearing campaign commercials constantly for a good six months or so. Feels like we got no break from this shit after the general.
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kevwaffles posted...

I don't see how you get more center than Ossof's campaign message. It was literally "Congress spends too much and I'll work with anyone to change that" over and over and fucking over again.

I mean it's a single button issue designed to try to get everyone to agree and a non-committal solution, but it's a center approach nonetheless.

I live next to the 6th, so I'm mostly just glad I can stop hearing campaign commercials constantly for a good six months or so. Feels like we got no break from this shit after the general.

If you watch TV with commercials it's kind of your own fault man. DVR that shit.

Edit: Once big left money started rolling in, the poor guy was done.
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UltiWasRight posted...

kevwaffles posted...

I don't see how you get more center than Ossof's campaign message. It was literally "Congress spends too much and I'll work with anyone to change that" over and over and fucking over again.

I mean it's a single button issue designed to try to get everyone to agree and a non-committal solution, but it's a center approach nonetheless.

I live next to the 6th, so I'm mostly just glad I can stop hearing campaign commercials constantly for a good six months or so. Feels like we got no break from this shit after the general.

If you watch TV with commercials it's kind of your own fault man. DVR that shit.

Radio in the car, mostly. But this shit was going on full swing in March Madness too, and I'm not going to not watch that live.
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UltiWasRight posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

...and they've been that way--and rising--since before Trump.

So good job Donald not ruining that in your first 4 months.

I have my doubts that you're in tune with small business owners and investors, bro. There was an immediate effect and they all credit Trump for it. Obama's effect on economics was legendarily bad. I like the dude, but he was terrible on finances.

It's factual that the economy has been on an upswing since well before the election.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

UltiWasRight posted...

Liberals are in trouble if Rock concedes the economy is doing well.

It isn't just the stock market. Consumer confidence and small business numbers are the highest they've been since the 80s.

...and they've been that way--and rising--since before Trump.

So good job Donald not ruining that in your first 4 months.

reminds me of this amazing thing

http://i.aerispies.com/fox-news-screengrab.jpg
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For who?
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UltiWasRight posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

...and they've been that way--and rising--since before Trump.

So good job Donald not ruining that in your first 4 months.

I have my doubts that you're in tune with small business owners and investors, bro. There was an immediate effect and they all credit Trump for it. Obama's effect on economics was legendarily bad. I like the dude, but he was terrible on finances.

I disagree here, nearly every source I look at that isn't heavily biased has Obama's effect on the American economy as a net positive, especially his second term, seems like the economy was climbing steadily as he left office. Not saying Trump did anything wrong or has hurt the economy because he obviously hasn't, but I wouldn't say Trump "saved the economy from Obama" or anything like that, I think he just picked up where Obama left off.
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The country wants "middle" -- centrists. Give it to them.

bernie sanders is the most popular politician in the country

hillary lost
ossoff lost
trump beat every single boring ass center right dude that stood for nothing in the primaries

what in the fuck makes you think centrists are what people want?

most people who are swing votes do not know anything about politics or policies
most people do not even read entire articles, they just look at the headlines if they look at the news at all
they just want someone with charisma who will tell them their idea of how to make things better for them
centrists just run on "not them" or "minor tweaks over time" and people on the fence fucking hate that message, they will vote for the person that stands for something

the only people who like centrists are nerdy wonk types who like the west wing

UltiWasRight posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

...and they've been that way--and rising--since before Trump.

So good job Donald not ruining that in your first 4 months.

I have my doubts that you're in tune with small business owners and investors, bro. There was an immediate effect and they all credit Trump for it. Obama's effect on economics was legendarily bad. I like the dude, but he was terrible on finances.

Both of my parents own their own small businesses but ok.

Cite a source. Show me a single source that says Obama left the economy worse than when he started.

Spoilers: You can't, bro.
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Unknown_voter posted...

every single center right dude that stood for nothing in the primaries

i take issue with this

what center-right dudes were in the primaries?

...Jeb?
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https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/875112655836643328

How the fuck does A-N-Y-O-N-E still take Nate Silver seriously? The guy is a fucking idiot.

I have been telling you guys this for years. Nate Silver is trash.
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Uhhh Trump was supposed to be "center-right"

remember the "he doesn't hate gays!" phase
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Hillary performed better than Russ "Berniecrat With Better Odds Of Winning Than Hillary" Feingold, in Wisconsin. So...just saying...we don't exactly have proof that people want far-left politicians.
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GuessMyUserName posted...

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

UltiWasRight posted...

Liberals are in trouble if Rock concedes the economy is doing well.

It isn't just the stock market. Consumer confidence and small business numbers are the highest they've been since the 80s.

...and they've been that way--and rising--since before Trump.

So good job Donald not ruining that in your first 4 months.

reminds me of this amazing thing

http://i.aerispies.com/fox-news-screengrab.jpg

Lmao I love that picture. All allegiances aside, that's such a GREAT piece by Fox. It makes low IQ people think Obama was horrible for the country, which is exactly what they want. They aren't going to think "wait, 3 months isn't enough time to do anything really", they're going to see Obama's and Trump's names with 9.0 and 4.5 respectively and think how horrible Obama was and how great Trump is.

It's probably my favorite example of fox bias. I love it so much.
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What's funny is that Ulti lists things going "this is centrist" when it's literally not.

Gay marriage should be legal vs. Gay marriage shouldn't be legal does not have a centrist view.
Military spending is out of control vs. Military spending is justified does not have a centrist view.
We need to keep drugs illegal vs. The Drug War is stupid does not have a centrist view.

You know what centrist views get you? Obamacare. A poorly designed bill that attempts to pacify both parties while only making one marginally happy and the other foaming at the mouth angry. Either you believe health care is a right, and you believe in a single payer system. Or you believe health care is a privilege and only those that can afford it or have people who will pay for it should get it. Half-measures gives you a system most people don't like.
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jeb, kasich, rubio, probably some others who dropped early on

jon ossoff the empty suit whose issue was the fucking deficit, an absolute pressing do or die issue to the americans in the sixth, literally just performed worse than hillary clinton in the district

TheRock1525 posted...

Half-measures gives you a system most people don't like.

truly breaking bad was ahead of its time
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TheRock1525 posted...

Gay marriage should be legal vs. Gay marriage shouldn't be legal does not have a centrist view.

Sure it does. Get the government out of marriage altogether.

Viola, all marriage is communally legal. Marriage licenses only existed to prevent interracial marriage. Without the government involved, we have less problems. As usual.
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UltiWasRight posted...

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/875112655836643328

How the fuck does A-N-Y-O-N-E still take Nate Silver seriously? The guy is a fucking idiot.

I have been telling you guys this for years. Nate Silver is trash.

Ulti, you don't pickup on sarcasm, huh?

You're literally proving him right.
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Inviso posted...

Hillary performed better than Russ "Berniecrat With Better Odds Of Winning Than Hillary" Feingold, in Wisconsin. So...just saying...we don't exactly have proof that people want far-left politicians.

you can't really compare a senate run to a presidential election, but regardless bernie sanders is not a far left politician except in the context of the current makeup of the us gov. and i never said all people want far left politicians, i said people want politicians who are charismatic and stand for something, not empty suit centrists who stand for "good governing"

I mean, what's the centrist solution to abortion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIgSTjzrmRg
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xp1337 posted...

Unknown_voter posted...

every single center right dude that stood for nothing in the primaries

i take issue with this

what center-right dudes were in the primaries?

...Jeb?

Arguably all of the "major contenders" but Cruz.
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