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Being willfully blind to the importance of race in our society and the effect that it continues to have on people's lives is not some enlightened gesture. It's being willfully ignorant. It's not like these people actually don't see differences in skin color, mass incarceration, housing segregation etc. It's simply a statement that they don't care about these things and will ignore the elephant in the room in favor of treating people with a simplistic version of "equality." Our society is not and has never been race blind, so treating acting as if it is not helpful.

It's also interesting how no one applies the term virtue signaling to these "colorblind" people. They are loudly proclaiming how they don't see color and are just so not racist and better than other people who divide by acknowledging racism. Meanwhile, they don't help at all and actively hamper the people trying to help. That's virtue signaling 101.

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This country shot itself in the face in 2016 and has been trying to convince itself it's okay. Well now the self inflicted wound is getting infected. It's not okay. Elections do in fact matter and have lasting consequences. We're going to suffer a plague and an economic depression because we elected the wrong people. Fun.

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This is basically TC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rF-HEE6PepI

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Godnorgosh posted...

This may be our last chance.

So what you're saying is Greg Abbott is a dream of the Fayth? I see.

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Let this topic be a reminder that many of the conservatives and centrists posting here don't care about facts, science, logic, or reason at all. They are nothing more than convenient tools to use against strawman versions of liberals and leftists. The strategy of appealing to science is about making their opponents look unreasonable, it has nothing to do with the facts. As soon as all actual evidence goes against them, they'll switch to making unfalsifiable claims about scientists lying, being biased, scared, or being lied to by others. And if that doesn't work, they'll fall back to "common sense" and "it's just gotta be true." And when that doesn't work, they'll just fall back to saying you're biased or say that you believe the disease magically doesn't affect those with the right political views.

The actual evidence supports the idea that if you're outside, with high mask usage, the virus doesn't spread easily. It basically has a hard time spreading outside in general. The super spreader events we've seen have almost all been from indoor locations like bars, conferences, and work places. And this applies regardless of the reason people are outside. There haven't been super spreading events from the beach pictures everyone (including me) freaked out about. There haven't been events from the pool pictures that I crapped all over people for attending. And there haven't even been super spreading events that I'm aware of from the anti-mask/shutdown protests and I think those are the stupidest, most counterproductive things I've ever seen. So if I can admit what's going on here, why can't all of you?

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Crucial really did a great speedrun of tanking his online reputation in this topic, so much that his account couldn't take it. Impressive.

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Cornmuffins posted...

Once? What happened?

Only asking because I work as a law clerk and recently started paralegal school. The work is interesting, though my boss mainly deals with criminal and family law cases.

I'd also like to know. It happens a lot, unfortunately. Unless you can find a good niche, the profession is often soul sucking. Almost none of my close friends that are lawyers are regular attorneys and a good number of them are doing other things entirely now.

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Balrog0 posted...

I mean, all the knowledge of the law won't help someone whose entirely ignorant about the particulars. The company she has a dispute with doesn't match any of his assumptions

That's why I said no one has seen the contract and why I wasn't talking about the particulars, and instead focused on the moral nature of the situation.They didn't want to engage on that point, so they chose to say that I'm not familiar with the legal system or the concept of a contract for some reason.

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crucial2099 posted...

an etymologist already uncovered the origins of the term red skin and found that it was a native american creation. keep digging your hole buddy lol

What do you think the reaction would be if you called a group of Native strangers that term in 2020, not 18XX? Do you think they would take it as a term of pan-tribal identity? Do you go around calling black people negroes because that wasn't an offensive term when it was first used and was used by black people to refer to themselves? If so, it's not safe for you to walk around without adult supervision.

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Stalolin posted...

Can I like, ask about who you are and what your background is? You're consistently one of the more level-headed and wise posters I've seen on CE.

I'm an immigrant lawyer who still visits this site out of pure habit because I've been on it since I was 14. I don't want to create a Reddit account and this site is a good reminder of how non-woke people think, so I come here and talk about RPGs and Politics.

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crucial2099 posted...

https://www.hogshaven.com/2020/7/2/21311270/the-redskins-racism-and-the-future-of-a-franchise

read this and stop embarrassing yourselves.i trust our native american friend will take the time to learn about his own history too.

First of all, telling a Native American to learn his own history is mind bendingly racist. You should be ashamed of yourself. Second of all, did you even read this article that you're citing?

"With the conflicts between white Americans and American Indians dropping off - as a result of their near extermination - after the early 20th century, the usage of redskin to describe anyone other than Washington, DCs football team, declined steeply in the 1950s. And, in a certain irony, an accurate descriptivist account would again register that shift. The word redskin went from a self-description of American Indian people (contrasted with the new immigrants), to a pejorative description of the American Indian people (by the new immigrants), to a description of a football team and its players. Any prescriptivist account, that the word only means one of those things, misses the mark and the complexity of its history. One particularly sticky element of the word redskin, however, is the direct link between its connotations and the complexion of its utterer.
It would be tone deaf, and oblivious to history, for white Americans, and white Redskins fans to fail to recognize that, for many American Indians, white people calling them redskins is synonymous with this countrys attempt to exterminate them. That is certainly not the way I believe most Washington Redskins fans use the word, but it is important recognize why some see it as malignant. However weve also seen that the meanings of words can (and do) change."

That's a quote from the article disproving the very point you're so condescendingly trying to make. You've outed and embarrassed yourself in this topic.


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Slayer_22 posted...

They likely have her permission, in contract form, otherwise she could sue them right now and get her shit taken off, easy peasy.

And you don't know how lawsuits work, do you? If they fail to show up to court, they will be given a summance. If they fail to attend, they can go straight to jail.

LMAO, IIRC Andre is also a lawyer. The only two lawyers in this topic are being talked down to on their legal knowledge by randos.

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Crazyman93 posted...

It's because she's "pretty" therefore their penises are telling them to white knight her.

Conservatives like you rage about being labelled as racists, sexist, homophobic etc for simply disagreeing with others, but freely call people white knights for saying that the people who own the videos should act like human beings. That's hypocrisy.

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xMythic posted...

Just stop guy. You don't have any business speaking for an entire group of people, especially one you are not a part of, especially one so large and diverse. I'm Native. I live on a reservation. That team name is something my tribe, and other tribes in the area, are very much against. I have friends and family from other tribes around the country, and up into Canada. I don't know a single one who is for the name.

Sure that name, that slur, has lost most of its bite over the years. Hell, if someone called me a redskin I would probably laugh. Shit, I've been called much worse for absolutely no reason other than the color of my skin. NBD. Older generations would definitely have a much stronger reaction. But it's still a slur, it's marginalizing, and it needs to go. No other group of people would have to deal with this. It wouldn't even be perpetuated, but here we are. Keep the colors and the best looking uniforms in football, just change the fucking name.

You don't understand the dynamics of being Native American. Shame and self-hate, beaten into us during colonization and the decades long boarding school era, play a big role in why some Natives are ok with that name. There are many of who would rather not make a fuss, would much rather go with flow, go against their best interests even, in the hopes that society won't notice they are Native. And then there of us, like myself, who are concentrating on solving issues and breaking negative cycles in their own community to really devote too much time to the name change, who are ok with the name if only because it's not even on their radar. Trust me, that has a big impact on the favorable polls you cherry-picked.

And I've just written a long ass post on fucking GameFAQS, trying to explain things to people who don't really give a shit.

Dude doesn't care, he's wrong and proud of it because of "cancel culture." He is only citing those polls from 2016 as a bludgeon against non-Natives to say that we shouldn't care because Natives allegedly don't care. But I remember the debates about those polls in 2016 and they were debunked even at the time. If you said you didn't care, he'd credit you and use you as a weapon, now that you've said you do care, you're oversensitive and can't speak for others. This is the exact same debate that was had in 2016 and the same debate about Confederate monuments. Some people are just fundamentally opposed to the idea that things they're used to and that don't bother them personally should be changed because they are symbols of other people's subjugation.

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zado19 posted...

No I havent.... and honestly I have no idea what this post means

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SWERF

"Acronym for "Sex Worker Exclusionary Radical Feminist". A person who espouses to be a feminist but who does not believe that women engaged in ANY form of voluntary sex work should be included in the fight for equality, especially in employment or salary parity. This rabid exclusion of an entire class of women is usually a belief based on misplaced uptight morality."

Feminists hate "feminists" who stigmatize sex workers.

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I unfortunately used to give their football show listens. Not anymore, it's clear this company is trash from top to bottom, with this, his racist comments towards Kaepernick, the anti-union stuff.

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Kildread posted...

Keep it as is.

All this nonsense is addressing the wrong problem.

There's no conflict between the different problems. You can address both.

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zado19 posted...

Out of ALL the dumb shit I have read on this site and board.... why is this suddenly triggering so many people on here

what woodwork did you fake feminists come from? Suddenly there a bunch of people on here worried about former porn stars feelings??? What a day this was...

I guess you've never heard of a SWERF and how much they're hated. I don't think you're qualified to police the bounds of feminism.

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supercrono posted...

Andrew be like:

https://i.imgur.com/OFuhsN1.jpg

One of the better uses of this meme.

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chrono625 posted...

dude if her contract was shit it would be torn up just like the countless others that get invalidated on a daily basis, right?

but its not and shes not pursuing legal recourse cause she has zero leverage to do so.

Again, that's why I said contracts are not enforced every single day. We are not simply talking about the law. I'm trying to get you to think about your actual actions and whether you want to do them or not, not the law. The law is literally nothing more than the floor you can't go below, the bare minimum level of human being you are allowed to be and still roam free. I'm talking about being the well off landlord who throws out a family during the pandemic "because they signed a lease" vs the landlord who acknowledges that that's a fucked up thing to do and makes a deal. The landlord has the legal right to do the first and a moral obligation to do the latter. And people are fully justified in judging the first.


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chrono625 posted...

Dude if youre a lawyer then Id hate for you to represent me given your shitty takes and opinions.

I'm certain you would. I'll continue defending your civil rights, protecting you from shady companies, rolling back Trump's shitty regulations, and generally actually being a good person. You continue being shitty to people because of words on a page. I think I'm fine with that arrangement.

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I guess I shouldn't be surprised at the level of hostility you all have for someone who tells you that you can't just rely on contracts to decide what type of person to be and how you should treat others. Contracts are invalidated for countless reasons every single day in every city, state, and country. Contracts are also simply not enforced for countless reasons every second of every day. Treat people how you'd like to be treated, don't let some document from Legal Zoom seduce you into being a POS.

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chrono625 posted...

you cant make people sign contracts that forces them into indentured servitude or slavery which is what you were alluding too.

you said contracts are not some physical law of the universe sorry, theyre LAW binding agreements dependent of the terms. In OUR universe that means something, in your universe where you make up your own rules maybe not.

she signed a contract to create videos she willingly chose to do and gave them, with consent full distribution rights.

thats a legal binding contract, she wasnt a child and now she has to live with that decision.

the company is under no obligation to give in to her demands. And even if they did those videos are forever a part of the internet regardless of how many sites remove them.

I actually wasn't talking about slavery or indentured servitude. There's lots of things below that that invalidates contracts. Particularly for being unconscionable or unfair. I would know, being a lawyer and all. Additionally, contract law isn't and shouldn't be the decider of our morality or how we treat other people. Even if there was a federal statute calling her out by name and saying her very soul is bound to the contract, that doesn't make it so or excuse enforcing it. People still decide what to do. Your logic is the same as a banker who forecloses on people's homes during a depression, while others don't. Just because someone agreed to something and you are authorized to hold them to that agreement doesn't mean you should. This should be uncontroversial, and likely the reason it's not is because we're talking about a former sex worker.

DemonBuffet posted...

The world doesnt run on fairy tales and good will.
People cant stop paying their car payments when they signed a 7 year contract to pay it off simply because they dont wanna pay anymore. Contracts exist to ensure people keep their end of the deal.
You should shut the fuck up now @legendary_zell

I'm all too aware of what the world runs on. That's the whole problem. This may violate some hypothetical contract that none of us have read, but more importantly, this situation clearly violates the golden rule.

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What comparison am I making? I'm talking about exactly what's happening. People are saying that she shouldn't complain because she signed a contract. I'm saying that's incorrect. Where's the spin?

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BudDupree48 posted...

What

chrono625 posted...

just shut up

Y'all sure owned me with your blazing wit and airtight arguments. You're right, you can do anything to someone who signs a contract saying you can do that something, even as they beg you to stop. Nothing wrong with that. My mistake.

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DemonBuffet posted...

I dont disdain her. But as an adult, she signed a contract that her work would be distributed to the public and has no rights to it.
She really needs to accept this reality.

A contract is not a magic spell or some physical law of the universe. It worries me how many people in this topic are resting on that point. Contract or no contract, the videos should be taken down because that's the right thing to do. No one should accept this because of a contract because a contract doesn't absolve you of the responsibility to be a good human being.

This is one of the main downsides of Capitalism. It makes people turn off their morals and ethics and replace them with some weird version of contract law.

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Many of you guys in this topic are acting like scum. You treat this person like she committed a crime, you jack off to porn worker's videos and yet you seem to have nothing but disdain for them as human beings and criticize them for attempting to avoid the stigma you yourself perpetuate and exemplify. Fix your shit.

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BeyondWalls posted...

These people are no better than the people who excuse Trump's behavior. It's the other side of the same coin.

That's simply false. These people don't have, nor have they ever had any type of institutional power. They didn't make the laws, they didn't lynch people, they didn't have Presidents on their side or put up NOI flags or statutes. There is absolutely not equivalence here and people really need to get out of that reflexive mindset of thinking there must be an equal and opposite response just because another group is also bad. It's the same thing that led people to call the Black Panthers the black equivalent of the KKK until very recently.

That said, the NOI sells people a racist and ahistorical version of black consciousness. It is pulling away black people who want to find self worth, community, and political agency and sending them down the path to being both ineffective and further marginalized. If you want It is far FAR more useful for black people in America to lift up the real stories of black resilience and solidarity in the face of slavery, Jim Crow, and mass incarcertation than it is to make up fake fantasies of white people being created in labs. It's much more useful to join with white people and every other race of people looking for political change that will tear down the race, class, gender, and sexual hierarchies that cause so many problems rather than buying into a weird and insular theology.

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You guys are literally triggered by the word mansplain. You've been fed so much conservative propoganda and have been conditioned llke Pavlov's dog to turn your brains of when you hear that word. And when turned off, you miss the billionaire spreading misinformation. You are exactly as irrational as you believe the evil sjws to be.

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I'll use the money to rent a limo to drive myself and my friends and strangers to the polls to vote against him.

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Well some players just have running away with the cops speed, while others are just blue collar guys who bring their hard hat and lunch pail to work every day. Some guys are just quick twitch, while others are coaches out on the field/court.

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This is simply a pivoting away from faking allegiance to businesses conservatism and neo-conservative foreign policy. He wants his watchers to force the party to become explicitly fascist. He doesn't care about big government, as long as only true Americans get the benefits.

There's no need to distract people with Benghazi and Uranium One and Whitewater and all that, they just want Republicans to make sure they have good jobs and thats the borders are close and the unworthy left to rot.

Make no mistake, this is a turn for the worse, not for the better.

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What an evil government. China is legitimately a dystopia already and is only getting worse. Literally the only redeeming quality is getting richer.

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These dudes have just preemptively decided that it was the protests. It's just common sense, it seems like it would be true, it's truthy, it must be true. Actual studies be damned, the scientists are part of the BLM agenda and so they repeat that it had to be the protests until the heat death of the universe.

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onedarksoul posted...

Where did you get the impression I was pro-beach without masks? Although your position on people going to the beach even with masks exposes your double-standards. If they can do one, they can do both. Its not simply about whatever you feel is worthy. Especially since in these protests people are much closer to others than they would be on a beach or in most other outdoor venues.

No they aren't. I've posted screen after screen during the riots/protests at their height in city after city where, at best, maybe 60% were wearing masks. And if it comes down to only masks being important, then the social distancing protocols are nearly irrelevant and should not be harped on only if there are Trump rallies or other gatherings the leftist media disapproves of.

Must've lumped you in with the others. Sorry about that part. But you're wrong about the rest. As I've already stated, I don't have a problem with beach going if its can be done safely, but there's no double standard here. The unstated calculus we're all using is comparing the need to do an activity vs the safety of the activity. That's why work is okay and going to the beach is not, even if the beach is actually safer. Society will collapse without people working while no one needs to go to the beach.

Shifting that to the protests, they are protesting an extremely important, time sensitive set of issues and doing so relatively safely. That's different from the anti-lockdown protesters who by their very actions and ideology were endangering themselves and others because there was significantly less mask wearing and commitment to safety and because they were out there demonstrating against the very measures you're now attempting to use against the BLM folks.

The anti lockdown protests were very dumb and potentially dangerous imo, but it doesn't appears we've had the super spread events from those that people expected either. Basically, as long as people are somehow safe, even against their best efforts, people will need to find another reason to criticize protesting.


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Zeus posted...

It is about privilege -- they're allowed to do shit while others are legally forbidden from gathering (and have been forbidden for months). That's real privilege. And you can't pretend that it's "too dangerous" if you've got hordes of people gathering for other shit. It's a double-standard and everybody has a right to be annoyed.

End the lockdowns already. Or actually enforce them fairly.

You are attempting to co-opt social justice language for multiple regressive points. It's not clever. Stop it. The protesters are exercising the very core of free speech and somehow doing it safely, it appears, while others seek to do nothing that's not. It seems you've already decided that the protests are wrong and dangerous and are working backwards from there. But as counter-intuitive as it seems, they're actually not dangerous from what we know so far. The protests also aren't something that can be postponed. You either strike while the iron is hot or not at all. Going to the beach or pool or bars can wait.

I get being frustrated with the lockdowns. I just moved to a new city where I know almost no one and have had zero social life since March. Despite that, it's clear to me that things wouldn't be better if everyone was running around doing unnecessary things. Telling me not to go to a bar and allowing protests is not oppression.

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Romes187 posted...

here's the thought process I don't care for fyi

In what way is it not true? I'm not even opposed to beaches opening and people being allowed to have fun, as long as it's outside, since that seems to make a big difference, and it can be done safely. My problem is with being asked to not go to the beach vs not to protest being compared or saying supporting one and not the other is hypocritical.

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onedarksoul posted...

Chicago: https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1277375967103778817
LA: https://twitter.com/hollandcourtney/status/1277994709269401602
"social distancing"

So disingenuous.

Protesting against state violence and societal oppression outside, with masks, is not the same as going to the beach with no masks or even with masks. Stopping one requires a widespread violation of the first amendment and probably high levels of police violence. The other means you can't go for a swim.

Don't pretend this is about the protests. You'd hate them if scientists eradicated the very concept of disease tomorrow.

These are blatant false equivalences.

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Mr_Rian posted...

I mean, there was a post with a bunch of links cited on like the first page or so, wasn't there?

I mean in terms of the actual practical arguments people have made. People aren't citing those sources or acknowledging them. It's just a fight of assertion vs assertion in the actual debate. No one blaming the protests has any support whatsoever for that idea. No one who is blaming Republicans has supported their ideas either. It is pretty clear at this point that the protests are not causing it and that it's happening in both red and blue states.

This is not to make a both sides argument, it's to encourage people to draw their arguments from evidence and defend them with evidence. I think that'll lead pretty directly to the right conclusions: the people blaming the protests being discredited, and young people also taking responsibility for spreading and not just blaming Republicans and boomers (who SHOULD be saddled with disproportionate blame). Essentially, I believe the evidence shows this is a total system failure that springs from a lot of points.

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People have not cited any sources in this topic. People are largely viewing it as a political ink blot test for your vision of society. If you dislike the left/protests, you blame them with no evidence. If you think it's due to Republicans, you blame them with no evidence. That doesn't mean some of these groups aren't more to blame than others, but the baseless speculation isn't helping.

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Antifar posted...

Also 25 percent of the prisoners

Came in here to post this.

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The Trent posted...

oh i dunno

You tell me to engage with you and not to just write you off and label you or put you in a box. And this is your response. Why should I engage with you again?

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@The_Trent

I have an important and interesting question that I want you to answer. Presumably, at some point, you believe black people in this country experienced enough oppression to make it unreasonable to expect success on the same level as white Americans? I would hope that would at least cover slavery and Jim Crow. Okay, so lets say black people were held down until 1970 or so. Is that when you believe black people should have started to "get over it" or have acted as if there was no oppression? Is that the point where you can see lower outcomes for black people and start blaming it on black people, black culture etc?

When was that point? The 70s? The 80s? The 90s? Because nothing was ever actually done to fix the fundamental problems that existed in the 60s. Mass incarceration, loss of manufacturing jobs and unions, and the War on Drugs were just added to the issues that existed then. The boot was taken off the neck through civil rights legislation, but that's not going to magically produce actual equality when people still live separately and are still poor and that was never fixed.

Just stopping discrimination was never going to be enough when people had been kicked so far down. And that's not even acknowledging the fact that discrimination never stops in American society, it simply goes down by one step when the previous step becomes unacceptable.

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I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black.

The Trent posted...

nobody wants to hear that shit, bootlicker bootstraps labels etc

You keep trying to place the problem on other people and saying it is them and their labels that are the problem. Have you ever thought you're just wrong on a lot of these things? For example, the post you appear to be agreeing with here is simply incorrect as a matter of history, economics, social science etc. Black people TODAY largely live in neighborhoods as functionally segregated as the were in the 60s, have far less wealth than white people, go to worse schools, get worse jobs, are brutalized by police and the criminal justice system, have higher rates of mortality and lower life expectancy, experience political suppression, reduced enforcement of civil rights violations, demonization, and stigma. That's the CURRENT situation.

All of this is due directly to the ideologies that are operating today the effects of past policies. History does not go away because you want to "move forward" and history is not some abstract, intangible thing either. History directly placed people into that segregation, there's nothing they could have done to avoid that other than being born to different parents who were not themselves the descendants of the people who endured slavery and Jim Crow.

A three item checklist that ignores that the very subjugation that occurred and is still being felt and absolves society for any responsibility for what it has done and is doing, combined with a convenient desire to "move forward" by ignoring reality and the very nature causality itself, while doing absolutely nothing to produce any forward movement is not going to make thing better.

Ignoring all that is why people don't like you guys, it's not because you are some type of misunderstood truth teller being labelled by the mob.

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I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black.

Is there any chance Biden would actually do something on this? What would he do? Could there be an international law response to this? It seems like the most powerful countries manage to just bully their way out of accountability there, sadly pioneered and perfected by the US. If any core member of the CCP has foreign bank accounts, we could at least freeze those, right? We could pull out of non-essential industries, but then they'd retaliate by withholding essential things from us, and if we responded, then that's sanctions, mass starvation etc.

I don't know what the solution is, but we seriously can't sit by and watch an old school genocide happen, right? That's exactly what's happening though.

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I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black.

The only way to handle this is for the world to join together and pressure them. Not sanction because that'll just lead to millions of different innocent people dying. And so will war. But there has to be a way to put maximum pressure on the actual leadership of the country while not impoverishing billions. It truly makes me scared of what we would have done if Germany had been a bigger economic, rather than military power.

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I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black.

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I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black.

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I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black.

Forgettable posted...

So he just says very simple and basic factual stuff about self improvement and people don't like that?

The problem is he ties that basic self help stuff that I could get for free at the book dump in my apartment's laundry room to laughably incorrect and regressive psychology and political analysis. The dude has no idea what Marxism or postmodernism or nihilism are, and yet he's define its first a whole group of uninformed people.

And despite his combination of wrongness and basicness, he's collected a following of "intellectual" followers who channel their reason and intelligences into debates about why sjws will cause the fall of the West.

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I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black.

chrono625 posted...

dude Im with ya. Politicians especially shouldnt be able to gate up and hide.

but still, that area is entirely closed off with signs everywhere. Whether their intentions were noble or not they still shouldnt have broken a gate to march through a private community given what has happened the last month.

again - these people with the guns were totally off the wall, but I honestly am not shocked that people would look to protect their family and homes if a large gathering of people were marching through.

you've seen what happens at the protests, it escalates into vandalism and destruction.

I feel like the first and second things you said are contradictory. If people reflexively respect gates, then politicians CAN hide behind them.

It doesn't inherently escalate into anything. Going out there with guns increased the chances of things popping off, it didn't lower them.

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I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black.