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Squall28 posted...

Too bad the hashtag is #DefundthePolice and not #ReformthePolice. I'm sure the reception would've been much better.

It's not about the reception. It's a judgment that the culture within and surrounding policing is broken. As this incident proves. If a lawyer doesn't defend a client due to insults, they will be sanctioned and then disbarred. The fact that so many people outside the institution come to the defense of the police even when they completely neglect their duty (not even counting how the police handle criticism) is why some have come the conclusion that something better is possible. Or just something not as bad.

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What other profession can get away with this type of behavior? Everyone and their mom hates lawyers and wants them to be the first to die in the revolution, but they can't just not defend people in court. Some people consider teachers overpaid, lazy, incompetent whiners and are happy to voice that opinion, but teachers can't just refuse to teach in response. No one but the police could possibly get away with the "hurr, well they're trying to defund me/welcome to the world without me" response, and yet multiple posters in this topic are doing it for them unpaid. That's the power of copoganda.

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This isn't clever.

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He really went for it.

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He just doesn't want to be held accountable for his shit opinions and doesn't want to be criticized for pursuing his class interests. Yes, black people have a lot of pressure on them to vote Democrat, but it's not some move of radical freedom to vote Republican or Trump. It's from historically necessity. It's going from people who don't care about you enough to people who don't care about you at all or worse.

Black people should and in fact do have the freedom to have bad, destructive opinions. But he shouldn't expect not to be be checked by the community for his destructive views and behavior and how he uses his platform. Having the views he has makes him regressive even if (and especially because) he's black and grew up poor.

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Wow, I can't imagine being a government official over there. How do you live with yourself, knowing that your decision cost 12x the lives lost in a neighboring country? What effects will this have on elections there, I'd have to think that the people won't look on this kindly, even if they supported it going in.

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Yet just the other day we had a topic where Tucker "apologized" for distracting people with made up stories like Benghazi. Many people in that topic were saying he's actually a reasonable person who's often right. But like I said, if he changes up his content, it's not gonna be to become more reasonable, it's gonna be to become a white nationalist full time.

If he has a problem with Tammy Duckworth, a veteran who is not even one of the more left wing Democrats, then he literally just has a problem with non-white people speaking or existing at all.

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When is Mix gonna make a thousand topics about this? When are people gonna talk about the lowering of standards and babying?

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Lonestar2000 posted...

something something socialism something seomthing

Alright, lets ignore the free college. I hope you're on board for a radical desegregation and school integration plan then? No?

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Again, we could just pay for their college. That IS an option. Having black kids damage their bodies permanently to receive a scholarship is not the only way to organize the world. The facts that we make college incredible expensive and because we segregate black kids into crap schools and neighborhoods as much as we did in the 60s and are why kids feel the need to play sports to get scholarships and have no other options. We could fix that, but based on TC's posting history, he'd consider that Venezuelan Anarcho-Communism.

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The Trent posted...

thank you that was a close one
good save

Dude, just post your actual conservative opinions like a normal person. This sarcastic obfuscating tone gimmick in every single post gets old. Take responsibility for your beliefs.

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Politics are a reflection of your values and world view. To say values are not important in dating someone is pretty shocking and shallow. I don't have to agree with someone, as long as they have good values and good values can take people in a variety of directions. But supporting Trump in 2020 is indicative of viewing what is good and what is bad in a way that fundamentally conflicts with the way I see it. I couldn't overlook it at this point. If someone around my age still supports him after his corona response and his response to BLM, then they are legitimately one of his most hardcore supporters in America.

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Almost went to school in Bloomington due to scholarship money. Glad I didn't now.

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Rika_Furude posted...

Why cant they get education and training through work, while at the same time repaying their debt to society?

That's fine with me, and would even be ideal, as long as they also get paid a fair wage. I didn't propose that because I doubt people would go for that. When you talk about improving conditions for imprisoned people and talk about how that would make prison a much more useful institution for the people there and free people, people usually short circuit. They freak out about how we shouldn't be paying for bad people when we don't pay for good people. And that never works out to helping free people, it always means we take away something from imprisoned people.

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yemmy posted...

There are very very few prisons in the USA that actually forces hard labor without pay. 99% of them you can hang out in the block or day room all day if you choose.

Of course the prisons pay like 10 cents an hour but in prison 10 cents is like $1 on the street. Most people working for no money voluntarily do it because prison is extremely boring.

If you want to be technical yes it is stated in the 13th amendment. Are you in favor of abolishing the 13th amendment?

Yes, I'm in favor of getting rid of the exception that allows slavery. Slavery should not be allowed for any reason. People that work should be paid a fair wage, wherever they are. If they don't want to allow people to work, maybe they could focus on actually getting people ready for a non-criminal life outside of a prison context through education. And people should also be able to get an education on the outside so one one will complain about imprisoned people getting a free education when non-imprisoned people don't.

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It's good, but I remembered it as being essentially equal to FFVII when I first played it. It's not. But it is very unique and stylish.

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This is not the end of racial oppression I ordered online.

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yemmy posted...

Waiting on the post that compares prison with slavery.... 3,2,1

And it's always the privatized ones (the ones that Cali inmates WANT to go to because better food and canteen).

Damn ninjad quick I gotta be faster on weekend CE

It literally is slavery tho....the 13th amendment openly acknowledges that you can be enslaved once imprisoned.

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Slayer_22 posted...

What's the touchy subject? Isn't this about the rich asshole pretending he gives a shit about any of this?

That's your well poisoning characterization of this. And that's not what the little reasonable discussion happening in this topic was actually about. It's about the views of some members of marginalized groups on a holiday celebrating freedom and equality when they are not free or equal.

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According to CE, the victim deserved it because highways are sacred and the penalties for sullying them with your feet is death. Nothing to say about a person that drives into people of course.

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Ohiostate124 is a blatant troll just trying to destroy a topic where some actual discussion on an incredibly touchy topic is taking place. Ignore and move on.

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Prismsblade posted...

The holocaust being one of the single worst atrocitys of all time that the world knows and will never forget is likely why Germany handled it the way they did. Meanwhile how many other countrys acknowledge their history of slavery? Or the numerous other sins of their past?

In regards to the confederacy the only reason they still exist is becuase....
*They had a timeless symbol(the confederate flag)
* For better or for worse(depending on perspectives)The north didnt wipe them out completely, both in lives, and the history books.

There......can be a myriad of reasons for it though so even if people acknowledge it they may not come the same conclusion as you. Their feelings toward criminals may also be a factor. Some have sympathy while others have zero tolerance.

The American slave trade was another of history's worst atrocities, although it isn't presented that way. Millions died just on the way here and millions died here, not counting the destruction of families, the maimings, the mass imprisonment, the rape. And it lasted for centuries, not 10 years. Simply acknowledging it is not good enough when much of our society was either built on or funded by it and the consequences flow down unabated to the present day.

The Confederate image is in no way timeless. It was implanted with any lasting aura it has by people like the KKK and the white supremacists of the 20th century who warped history to create the Lost Cause myth to whitewash the Confederacy, by the people who took up the mantle of the Confederacy and installed white supremacy in former confederate states, and by white people in non-confederate states who had nothing to do with the Confederacy, but loved white supremacy.

As I think I've said before, the War on Drugs was explicitly a project of racial domination. Its had its intended effect. And much of our attitude towards crime, especially drug crime, piggybacks off of deep seated racism and leads to the idea that huge portions of the population are just fundamentally dangerous, incorrigible, undeserving of mercy, and simply need to be removed from society for everyone's safety. See Superpredators. It's not a coincidence that almost as soon as the Civil Rights laws were passed and black people began to have some semblance of true freedom, the War on Drugs was started not even a few years later and mass incarceration of lower class black people began.

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This is Charlottesville all over again. A lot of regressive MFers take glee in people who protest for causes they don't agree with being run over. I remember the topics for that and this has the same vibe. Protesting racial oppression on a freeway is in no way equivalent to running down a human being and to focus on the location of the protest rather than vehicular homicide is morally bankrupt.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

@legendary_zell
Thank you for taking time to write an explanation. I will have to think more on them, though Number 2, specifically desegregation, already confuses me a bit. It conflicts with the comment about workplace quotas being a straw man. Anyway, Im glad to consider a different perspective. Thanks again,

Thanks for actually reading, responding and considering. That's rare nowadays and deserves credit. Let me clarify the desegregation bullet point. Segregation is caused by housing policies and patterns. That feeds into the school system. Those two combine to lower the life chances of black people and create experiences for white and black people so meaningfully different that they can't agree on basic facts on what life is like in America because they live separate lives in large part. American history pretty clearly shows that as long as school assignments are based on residency and as long as Supreme Court precedent still says you can't use racial quotas/reassignments in schools, housing segregation has to be tackled first. That can be addressed through getting rid of restrictions on multifamily buildings and other forms of zoning with a disparate impact, dramatically increasing the stock of affordable housing, greatly increasing enforcement of anti-discrimination laws, and increasing investment in both majority black and majority white areas so that it's not all sticks and no carrots for white communities and people can feel comfortable staying in their current communities.

Then you can tackle the schools by increasing the general funding of schools, decoupling school funding from racialized factors like zip code and wealth, utilizing strong federal incentives to voluntarily desegregate within X number of years etc.

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toyota posted...

Memes aside, whats the male version 'Women who menstruate'? You know to call out and specifically talk about cis-men?

Is it 'Men who get erections'? 'Men who ejaculate'?

I just realized I don't know this. Probably because almost the entire culture battle about trans people is fought over transwomen and whether they are women or not. Transmen are almost entirely ignored because they don't threaten men's heterosexuality or TERF's ideas of femininity.

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You'll be out before you even know it, literally. The last thing you'll think is "hmmm, nothing is happening" and then you'll wake up several hours later, safe and sound, feeling like you took the deepest nap ever. You'll say some funny things while you recover and whoever's with you will have a laugh. That's it, that's the whole process. The worst part is drinking that barium drink and living on the toilet in prep.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

What does everyone is equal mean?

Are we talking about everyone having the exact same possessions as everyone else, or is it about achieving an even breakdown of racial groups into every job? Maybe something else?

I have some suggestions about what it could mean? But this is just silly old me:

1) Stop disproportionate harm inflicted by the justice system, starting in schools and ending with the death penalty. It happens at every step inbetween

2) Desegregate neighborhoods and schools and stop having education be determined by tax revenues

3) Stop having race or party based voter suppression and gerrymandering because in practice, they amount to the same thing in many places.

4) Fixing the wealth gap that was cause directly by measures aimed at enforcing white supremacy by investing in black individuals, families, and communities.

Until at least those 4 things are done, there will not be any form of actual equality, which yes, does have to do with material equality because resources lead to opportunities. That's well understood, and yet that understanding seems to be lost or become controversial when race is brought up. It doesn't mean having the exact same possessions or workplace quotas, those are strawmen. But it will in fact require change that many would consider radical.

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Prismsblade posted...

The US is one of the only countrys that owns up to its dark past unlike most others despite being guilty of the same. And taking a few days off every year to enjoy everything we've accomplished and changed uptil now isnt going to undo, slow or undermine anything.

Which is why in my opinion people like Kaepernick are just kill joys looking for every excuse they can to hate on the country, spread negativity and do everything they can to make others feel, and do the same.

First, there are some that own up significantly better than we do. Germany owns up to their dark past in a far more real way. They gave reparations to Holocaust victims and are still doing so, have omnipresent memorials, ban the type of party that led them to oppress people, learn about the Holocaust thoroughly in schools etc. Meanwhile here, people are still taught that the Civil War was about states rights, people have extreme blind spots in their knowledge of history that leads to ignorance about things like the Tulsa Massacre, 1927 Mississippi Floods, redlining, and countless other issues. We are also thought a theme park version of history that yada yada yada's through slavery and reconstruction, says Rosa Parks refused to sit down and MLK gave a speech, some laws were passed and then racism was vanquished forever.

That's not even talking about how people don't acknowledge what's going on today. How the exact same population that's was targeted for slavery, KKK terrorism, lynchings, sharecropping, and Jim Crow is now the victim of the War on Drugs and Mass Incarceration. The same country that has always prioritized having some way of controlling the black population now has huge number of black people in prison and will send 1/4 black men to prison in their lifetime, and people seriously believe that's unrelated to all of the previous forms of oppression.

None of that is owning up to our past. Just describing it as our past is not owning up to the reality of how things are today.

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I Like Toast posted...

Weird your point is that it's a white supremacist holiday, which you've done nothing to support.

It's almost like what I said was qualified to mean exactly what I said. It's a celebration of the country's existing. which is inclusive of the entity of the country. Not just the good, not just the bad. And not just the horseshit said to make you look as illogical as a trumper saying that any imperfection means you're celebrating white supremacy. I guess that means you're celebrating white supremacy with your imperfect argument.

Colin could have had a point about the 4th being a celebration of freedom but because all people aren't equally free. That is a sound and logical argument. The argument that it's a white supremacist holiday, that you are agreeing with him on. Has no basis in reality and why you can't actually support it any way shape or form. By making this statement and pushing it the only thing you accomplish is further alienation.

You want people to go, "huh that is a good point" not go, "what a dumb fucking thing to say". You want to spark conversation not to drive people further into their trenches because you're accusing people of being white supremacist with no grounds, logic, or rationale train of thought.

If you can't support the statement that it's a white supremacist holiday. Then you can't claim what he said was factual. What you can claim is he had a good point and completely missed the landing.

And go figure you have no response for how America, even despite its current flaws and being no where close to being done, is a giant part of why minorities are treated better globally than they were just 60 years ago.

The core of my argument is this: the central form of inequality we've had and continue to have is white supremacy. It's the form that's shaped our history more than anything and the one that almost destroyed the country in the Civil War. Because of that, July 4th is a celebration of freedom that does not belong to everyone and is not enjoyed by everyone. It affirms a freedom that does not exist. And July 4th has not been celebrated as what I suggested, a time to look back on who was not free and equal and to fix that in the future and going forward. It celebrates the freedom that exists at the time. And since it can only be affirming the freedom that exists, it is affirming white supremacy. I'm not accusing anyone of being a white supremacist or the holiday of being inherently white supremacist. Odin's Day or something like that, if that exists, is a white supremacist holiday. Independence Day is this:

"I say it with a sad sense of the disparity between us. I am not included within the pale of this glorious anniversary! Your high independence only reveals the immeasurable distance between us. The blessings in which you, this day, rejoice, are not enjoyed in common. The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity and independence, bequeathed by your fathers, is shared by you, not by me. The sunlight that brought life and healing to you, has brought stripes and death to me. This Fourth [of] July is yours, not mine. You may rejoice, I must mourn. To drag a man in fetters into the grand illuminated temple of liberty, and call upon him to join you in joyous anthems, were inhuman mockery and sacrilegious irony.

I am saying that people are not paying attention to history or their surroundings. In the future, people will shake their heads and tut at the idea that we unironically celebrated the 4th of July while mass incarceration, segregation, and the wealth gap still existed, while we expected black people to be fine with confederate flags and statues, and while we told them to get over slavery while ignoring Jim Crow and not fixing the effects of slavery. They will see that we were hypocritical and had blinders on, just like Frederick Douglass and countless others saw and how many see it now.

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MutantJohn posted...

Lol not surprised Toast is one of those "but the Irish" people

For real. I've never seen Irish oppression mentioned except as a bludgeon against people talking about slavery. It's basically the original All Lives Matter card.

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I Like Toast posted...

So still nothing about white supremacy. Got it. Did your history class skip over we treated the Irish like shit too?

It's a celebration of the country existing. What it did shitty and what it did great. There is a reason civil rights movement started in America and spread across the globe. That is just as much apart of the 4th as the shit you're trying to spew. The notion that because the country isnt perfect means it's a celebration of white supremacy is the kind of bullshit that makes you as ignorant as a trumper

Did you read the link? Yes or no? The Irish being treated badly does not help you, it further proves my point. The country proudly professes liberty while denying it to every new group and many old favorites. From Jewish people, to Indigenous people, from the Irish and Italians, to the black people and LGBT people. From the beginning up until the present day. The holiday very much does not just celebrate the country existing and you know that because you contradict that in the next sentence. It is very much not a celebration of the shitty things because anyone who mentions those things on this day will be shouted down, much as Kaepernick is. It's a day of national glorification of our civic ideals, just like independence day is anywhere else. Those ideals are great, and that's exactly why it's so sad that their denial has always been ignored on this day.

"Isn't perfect" doesn't describe a country that held people in bondage and proclaimed liberty, bombed them and lynched them to stop them from voting and proclaimed democracy, segregated them into impoverished ghettos and then proclaimed equality. It's not ignorance, it's simply the mindset that follows when you take history in its entirety. You can't have the standard version of July 4th hot dogs and fireworks without whitewashing history and what's happening as we speak.

I love this country and would never even think of living anywhere else. It's given me so many opportunities. But it has a catastrophic, lifelong problem with believing it's own hype and burying the negatives. I want to help the country live up to its hype.

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I Like Toast posted...

That the 4th of July is a celebration of white supremacy. Did you not finish the tweet?

How'd you read that but not my reply? If that doesn't answer it for you, refer to Frederick Douglass as others have said in this topic. It pretty much covers what he Kaep said and what I said. As it's existed up until now, it's too often a ritual whitewashing. When you unironically celebrate freedom while so many are not truly free or equal, it's a cruel joke. It's confirming that some people just don't matter or even factor into the calculus.

https://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/what-to-the-slave-is-the-fourth-of-july/

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SH_expert44 posted...

The 4th isnt a celebration of white supremacy or keeping blacks down. How is that "factually correct"?

Let's talk about the fact thens. Independence Day is supposed to celebrate freedom and the values in the Declaration of Independence Right? Well the reality is that for the vast majority of July 4ths starting from the 1776, the country was happily celebrating these values while denying their benefits to huge swaths of the population. It was started at a time when "freedom" was considered consistent with slavery, continued through a time when it was compatible with domestic terrorism, lynchings, and Jim Crow. That should make it pretty clear it's about freedom for some while others are simply ignored. And people thought is was the proper order that whole time.

I understand wanting to defend such a sacred thing, but there's a lot of people who feel that it's always been an empty joke considering what people thought was peachy keen while they were toasting to universal freedom and equality in 1776, 1876, and 1976. I think it would be much safer and more productive to use this holiday as a reminder of what needs to be done to actually secure the values in the Declaration and bring freedom and equality to people. It should be a time to pass civil rights legislation and economic support legislation, not to BBQ and act like everything is A-OK.


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SH_expert44 posted...

Wasnt he raised by well off whites and had all the advantages that that privilege offered?

Even if this was true, and it's not, what did he say that was factually incorrect? I'm sure you're all about logic and facts and not narratives.

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I went to check out Voat for the second time ever after the wave of bans on reddit. I wanted to see if the rumors of it being a wretched hive were true. Almost every damn topic on the front page had something to do with insulting Jewish people, black people, or Muslims and there were countless slurs. That site should be nuked from orbit.

In real life, it was rural Tennessee. I went there with a group to go whitewater rafting. They legitimately stared at me like stereotypically racist people do in movies. I have never felt more out of place and in danger in my life. Their eyes and silence were telling me to leave.

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Annihilated posted...

Race based voter suppression does not exist and school segregation has been illegal since the 60s, unless you're including college campuses who try to segregate graduations, housing, and other things. That of course is systemic racism, but nobody talks about that because they condone it.

Thank you for discrediting yourself. I didn't even need to do anything. Go back to Voat.

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Let this be a reminder that they ARE personally responsible for every life they ruin and every family they tear apart when they enforce an unjust law. They have full discretion to decide whether they agree with the law, and by enforcing it they are agreeing with it and legitimizing it and directly imposing the injustice the laws contemplate.

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You almost never post anything that isn't race baiting and complaining that a black person/black people aren't stigmatized enough or that white people are unfairly under attack. Doesn't it ever get old?

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Annihilated posted...

You basically demonstrated exactly what I was saying.

Please demonstrate to me how race based voter suppression and race based housing and school segregation are not systems of racial oppression?

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RustyFerret posted...

Not everyone of the same race think the same on racial issues and it's racist to assume they do.

So it's important to know that person specifically, I'm not telling you to treat people as racial hiveminds and representatives for their race.

I already preemptively addressed this.

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We should fight to make America better than it's ever been and far better than it is now. That's true love for a country, not waving the flag and beating your chest.

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Annihilated posted...

The only system of racial bias I've ever seen is affirmative action. Everything else seems to be looking for inequality and assuming racism is the reason. Whenever it's found to not be the reason, they just look for the next unknown and assume racism again. Kind of like how religious people used to explain everything they didn't understand as "God did it."

That says quite a lot about you. In a world of schools as segregated as they were in the 60s, a huge racial wealth gap, mass incarceration, a biased criminal justice system, voter suppression, environmental poisoning, and countless other issues, AA is the only racial bias you see? Blindness is a great way to describe that.

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thrashmetal14 posted...

So how exactly do you expect people to act toward people of different ethnicities in their personal life? I have many friends/acquaintances/co workers that have a different skin color than me, and I treat everyone equally (that is, with basic respect). Am I supposed to treat different people differently based on their race?

Most of the time, no, at some important times, yes. I already gave an example in this topic. You should treat people as who they are, not just as palette swapped white people. It's about acknowledging that people of color have different histories, different backgrounds, and that those often inform how we see the world. So again, for example if you're having an discussion with your X friend about confederate memorials or the confederate flag, you may say the same words, but they will likely have a different effect depending on the history of the person you're speaking with. So it's important to know that person specifically, I'm not telling you to treat people as racial hiveminds and representatives for their race. But it's very important to acknowledge that how people move through the world and how they interpret things is very much informed by race and that doesn't go away by not acknowledging it.

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Annihilated posted...

Doing the exact same shit you're protesting against does not acknowledge it.

We are protesting against systems of racial oppression. Acknowledging racial oppression is not a system of racial oppression. Not unrelatedly, ignoring that racial oppression bakes it in.

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MachineJaipur posted...

However if you acknowledge that someone is black, some people will call you racist for "caring that I'm/they're black"

Whether that's true or false depends entirely on the circumstances and context. Acknowledging someone's race in the abstract isn't racist. But bringing it up when it's not relevant may be. For example, making a big deal about having a black friend may be racist, but acknowledging that your black friend has strong opinions on what confederate monuments mean and deferring to those opinions isn't.

One is using the black friend as a tool to prove non-racism, the other is acknowledging something fundamentally related to blackness in America.

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I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black.

thrashmetal14 posted...

I mean, there's a difference between being colorblind in daily life and being colorblind in political circumstances. If I'm just interacting with different people in normal day-to-day situations I'm not really gonna be thinking about their skin color.

While political colorblindness is even worse, interpersonal colorblindness isn't great either. The key should be to treat people appropriately and well, not to ignore characteristics that do unfortunately matter. Even on an interpersonal level, race is one of the most salient factors in our society and ignoring that is going to get you into trouble. It's harder to figure out when you should take it into account and when it's not as relevant, but that's what's necessary.

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I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black.