Current Events > So covid is spiking nation wide... Why?

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im ready for someone to come bomb america. we are ready to fall

wow. Rip dude

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prestonluv posted...

1 Simple Reason

BLM protests exposed the hypocrisy of the media and government

As a result, millions of people stopped being cautious and states were forced to open quicker than they initially planned as they would of been exposed to potential lawsuits.

Young people have been isolated at home and do not fear the virus. Combine this with the protests and bar openings and you have a whole slew of young people who just dont GAF.

We wont go backwards unless the government wants to be exposed to lawsuits as is happening in Texas currently with the Bars suing the state

BLM is the direct and indirect cause.

That is your answer and anyone who says differently is taking a political side and ignoring reality.

@prestonluv SF and SD asked and contract tracers didnt see a link to BLM protests. Why havent Minnesota and NYC increased to the same degree that Texas and FL have?

What proof do you have about protests leading to more cases than isnt just pure conjecture from your head?

teddy241 posted...

im ready for someone to come bomb america. we are ready to fall

https://youtu.be/HNdbKLIw5rs

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BudDupree48 posted...

your gonna attack Tulsa but not the MILLIONS OR hundreds of thousands at protests combined in every single fucking state. Just keep consistent

Don't worry, not everyone on this site is dense enough not to make the connection between massive protests during a pandemic and an increase in coronavirus cases. It being outside makes no difference, when you've got 10s of thousands of people gathering in close proximity screaming, marching, and vandalizing property it's not very difficult to assume a lot of these folks weren't wearing masks either. The numbers may paint a different picture, but let's not kid ourselves by pretending the mass protesting worldwide(not even nationwide) didn't increase the number of infected.

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lincoln002 posted...

The numbers may paint a different picture,

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Antifar posted...

lincoln002 posted...
The numbers may paint a different picture,

huehuehue

Cuz we are a very stupid people and are always crying about our freedums

CruelBuffalo posted...

@prestonluv SF and SD asked and contract tracers didnt see a link to BLM protests. Why havent Minnesota and NYC increased to the same degree that Texas and FL have?

What proof do you have about protests leading to more cases than isnt just pure conjecture from your head?

Did you read my post?

The protests have caused an indirect increase in the number of cases by exposing the hypocrisy and therefore expediting the opening up process.

Please help me understand what the hypocrisy is that was exposed. Your media and government label is too vague. What was the government and media doing that was hypocritical. You also said directly btw...

Contact tracers lol

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BudDupree48 posted...

Contact tracers lol

Grabbin people's buns and stickin needles in em

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BudDupree48 posted...

Contact tracers lol

Why did Korea and Japan get their shit under control with contract tracers?

320 posts with no real answers. Nice.

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Health officials link surge in coronavirus cases in Pittsburgh area to bars, not protests

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/505142-health-officials-link-surge-in-coronavirus-cases-in-pittsburgh-area-to?amp

Protests in Seattle and elsewhere dont appear to be driving coronavirus surge, researchers say

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/protests-in-seattle-and-elsewhere-dont-appear-to-be-driving-virus-surge-researchers-say/?amp=1

Parties Not Protests Are Causing Spikes In Coronavirus

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/24/883017035/what-contact-tracing-may-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus

Black Lives Matter protests may have slowed overall spread of coronavirus in Denver and other cities, new study finds

https://coloradosun.com/2020/06/30/police-protests-coronavirus-spread/

COVID-19 has not surged in cities with big protests, but it has in states that reopened early. Here are some possible reasons.

https://www.inquirer.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-no-spike-cities-despite-protests-big-surge-in-states-that-reopened-20200627.html?outputType=amp

More reported COVID-19 cases linked to bars than protests, officials say

https://www.klkntv.com/more-reported-covid-19-cases-coming-from-bars-than-protests-officials-say/

Did protests spread the coronavirus? Here are the Utah numbers and the national research.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/06/27/how-much-did-protests/

Posting this again so its on this page and those who want the info can have it.

And so the trolls can ignore it again and continue to spew garbage
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The mass gatherings

SaradaUchihaXXX posted...

The mass gatherings

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These dudes have just preemptively decided that it was the protests. It's just common sense, it seems like it would be true, it's truthy, it must be true. Actual studies be damned, the scientists are part of the BLM agenda and so they repeat that it had to be the protests until the heat death of the universe.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

Please help me understand what the hypocrisy is that was exposed. Your media and government label is too vague. What was the government and media doing that was hypocritical. You also said directly btw...

We were shut down for the most part and slowly opening until the BLM protests hit.

Millions of people were allowed to break all social distancing guidelines and rules for weeks. As a result, businesses were claiming how unfair this was that millions could break social distancing but they could not open a barbershop or a restaurant. The media and government were exposed as being hypocritical as its was ok for one group but not for another.

The state governors got pressure from these businesses and as a result many states expedited opening up. An example is Washington State. It was slowly opening up and certain guidelines had to be met. The governor got pressure and opened up 14 counties all in the same day from phase 1 to phase 2 even though most did not meet the original criteria.

shockthemonkey posted...

So they didnt cause a spread but they caused people to expect a spread therefore people stopped taking precautions?

the protests obviously caused a direct increase in cases. How much an increase is debatable.

The protests indirectly expedited the opening of states. Once this occurred the young people flocked to bars and restaurants, etc.

Combine the millions of young protesting with the millions of young now out in public and your main reason for the big increase.

The numbers prove that the vast majority of the new infections are from those under 50 and most are minor to mild symptoms. This is further shown with the fatality rate remaining low as the at risk are still isolating.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Posting this again so its on this page and those who want the info can have it.

And so the trolls can ignore it again and continue to spew garbage

Even if they did not directly cause a huge spike in the number of cases they indirectly are the main cause. See my other posts about how opening up was expedited because of these protests.

prestonluv posted...

Even if they did not directly cause a huge spike in the number of cases they indirectly are the main cause. See my other posts about how opening up was expedited because of these protests.

Translation---I dont care what the scientist and everyone else says, BLM caused this spike!

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shockthemonkey posted...

So you have no evidence that the protests caused any significant spread but you think they led to more open and lax policies that have led to this spike?

correct

The protests expedited the process of opening up and young people started to go out in mass.

nice posts preston

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prestonluv posted...

Even if they did not directly cause a huge spike in the number of cases they indirectly are the main cause. See my other posts about how opening up was expedited because of these protests.

Even though theres evidence they directly caused it, I still think they caused it dammit!

Not the best defense.
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Bishop9800 posted...

Translation---I dont care what the scientist and everyone else says, BLM caused this spike!

Scientists have nothing to do with the states opening up faster. This isnt scientific, its more legal. Many places were approved to open up during and after the BLM protests. As a result more people were out in the open.

The good news is if what you are saying is true...BLM did not cause much if any of a direct spike in cases....than this bodes well for having fans at football games come september as long as masks are required. If millions can chant and yell outside at the protests without much of an increase than we should not see much of an increase from allowing outdoor sports and events to have spectators.

sktgamer_13dude posted...

Even though theres evidence they directly caused it, I still think they caused it dammit!

Not the best defense.

I don't think you are understanding me.

BLM helped expedite opening up. This allowed more people to venture out to bars, restaurants and more working in the business world. These are all indoors and therefore pose an increased risk of exposure. As a result more people have got the virus and we see this spike.

States were opening up more cautiously until the BLM protests, thats a fact, both red and blue state were more cautious. BLM hit and more started to open up. This is how BLM has indirectly caused a big spike in the number of cases.

prestonluv posted...

BLM helped expedite opening up

Factually incorrect

here is an article from May 27th, just two days after George Floyd was murdered but before large scale nationwide protests had started

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-coronavirus-trnd/

note that although the first protests took place in Minneapolis on May 26th, they did not spread to the rest of the country until May 28th:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_in_the_United_States

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Factually incorrect

here is an article from May 27th, just two days after George Floyd was murdered but before large scale nationwide protests had started

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-coronavirus-trnd/

note that although the first protests took place in Minneapolis on May 26th, they did not spread to the rest of the country until May 28th:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_George_Floyd_protests_in_the_United_States

I just gave you an example in Washington State. So its not factual incorrect at all. Yes some states were opening already but many places or counties expedited opening up quicker as well.

BLM had millions out in the streets. This helped ease the fears as for two straight weeks very little was mentioned about the coronavirus. This was done at the beginning of opening up and many states expedited opening up as well.

You combine some states starting to open up, some states expediting opening up and than the lack of fear instituted into the people by the media for 2 weeks and you have more people going out into the opening than before.

I am not being political here guys. Anyone who thinks that the BLM did not have an indirect effect on the spike we are seeing is not being honest with themselves or is just flat out unwilling to recognize the truth.

Some people will just refuse to ever look at things from anything outside of their bubble.

States opening is one thing but people didnt huddle face to face at Red Lobster or Super Cuts

prestonluv posted...

Anyone who thinks that the BLM did not have an indirect effect on the spike we are seeing is not being honest with themselves or is just flat out unwilling to recognize the truth.

Still want to blame black folks I see....

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Bishop9800 posted...

Still want to blame black folks I see....

I am 100% in support of the protests.

I am just stating how they affected the increase in cases indirectly.

If you want to make this political or personal than go ahead. I have lived long enough to know who is open minded and who is not. Hopefully that changes in time as if i have learned one thing in my 45 years of life its that other people are right just as often or more than i am.

I lean on the side of the virus not being widespread directly due to the protests. I however realize that the indirect effects of the protests did help expedite the spike in cases.

shockthemonkey posted...

Thanks, I wasnt quite sure if thats what you meant or not. Id like to see more evidence of this but I appreciate the clarification.

I am just trying to be neutral here. My kids marched for the protests and i support them 100%. But, i also realize there are side effect to things even if they are for a wonderful cause. I am listing those side effects in relation to the virus.

The poster earlier shared a good link on the time frame of each state opening. That was great to read. It was all a perfect storm to increase the cases so dramatically.

1. States start to re open
2. Protests take place
3. Some states expedite opening faster
4. Media focuses on protests and not virus
5. Young people who have little fear of virus are now out and about

A perfect storm. The good news is it looks like we are still protecting the at risk better and lets hope that continues.

The Trent posted...

my neighbors literally just took a family road trip to florida to go to the beach for a week

Wifes sister, who seems to be the biggest left person on earth, was calling people dumb for traveling and then later that week went to the beach with like 8 of her friends.

Its painful and sad seeing people like that.

.... the nation is spiking because theres hundreds of millions of people and theyre done being inside alone. No matter who or what they are, anyone trying to blame any specific person or group is just dumb and caught in their agenda.

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prestonluv posted...

I just gave you an example in Washington State.

Source?

because your claims do not match up with the timeline here at all

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/states-reopening-coronavirus-map/

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Source?

because your claims do not match up with the timeline here at all

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/national/states-reopening-coronavirus-map/

14 counties open in one day. Phase 1 was modified at phase 1.5 for King county

the modification took place after BLM

This doesnt occur all at same time without BLM. Most counties were not under the requirement for cases per 100k people which was needed to go from phase 1 to phase 2

I live in king county. It was all over the news. Reporters would ask governor why no phase 2. How is it ok to allow protestors but not allow some businesses to open.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.king5.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/king-snohomish-pierce-county-reopen-washington-state/281-449d6565-67e6-4991-9dcc-3c02cbd7ff7d

https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/air-conditioning-may-be-factor-in-covid-19-spread-in-the-south/

Edward Nardell, professor of medicine and of global health and social medicine at Harvard Medical School (HMS) and professor of environmental health and of immunology and infectious diseases at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, said that hot summer temperatures can create situations similar to those in winter, when respiratory ailments tend to surge, driving people indoors to breathe and rebreathe air that typically is little refreshed from outside.

The states that, in June, are already using a lot of air conditioning because of high temperatures are also the places where theres been greater increases in spread of COVID-19, suggesting more time indoors as temperatures rise, Nardell said. The same [thing] happens in wintertime, with more time indoors.

Though transmission of the SARS-CoV-2 virus has been understood to transmit mainly through large droplets expelled during coughing, sneezing, or talking, Nardell said that evidence has risen that at least some cases of COVID-19 occur via airborne transmission. That happens when virus particles contained in smaller droplets dont settle out within six feet and instead hang in the air and drift on currents. Airborne transmission is thought to have been a factor in the coronavirus spread among members of a Washington choir, through an apartment building in Hong Kong, and in a restaurant in Wuhan, China, Nardell said.

Airborne transmission would make people even more vulnerable to the virus in a closed room. Nardell said that in an office occupied by five people, as windows are closed and air conditioners turned on, CO2 levels rise steeply, a sign that occupants are rebreathing air in the room and from each other.

As people go indoors in hot weather and the rebreathed air fraction goes up, the risk of infection is quite dramatic, Nardell said, adding that the data, while gathered related to tuberculosis, would apply to any infection with airborne potential.

Nardell outlined the work Friday morning during an online presentation sponsored by the Massachusetts Consortium on Pathogen Readiness (MassCPR), an HMS-led collaboration of researchers from 15 Massachusetts institutions and the Guangzhou Institute for Respiratory Health in China. MassCPRs aim is to foster research that will rapidly translate to the front lines of the COVID-19 pandemic.

The 90-minute public briefing, focused on issues raised by reopening efforts, was hosted by HMS Dean George Daley and included presentations on Americans mobility during the pandemic, contact-tracing efforts, development of personal protective equipment, and of viral and antibody testing as ways to detect new cases and better understand the pandemics course through society.

We are united in our common goal to leverage our collective biomedical expertise to confront the immediate challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic, said Daley, who serves on MassCPRs steering committee. But we are also committed to building a scientific community that is better-prepared for the next emerging pathogen.

In his presentation, Nardell, whose past work has focused on ways to combat drug-resistant tuberculosis, said a dynamic similar to that in the U.S. South is being replayed elsewhere in the world. He cited a rise in air conditioner sales in India, where the systems are designed to bring in little outside air, again increasing chances of transmission. India, with nearly 500,000 COVID-19 cases, reported 17,296 new cases and 407 deaths on Friday, according to the World Health Organization.

Nardell said that being outside or increasing ventilation inside can be effective in slowing transmission, though the ventilation systems in many corporate settings limit how much fresh air can be brought in. Portable room air cleaners also can be used, though they can have limited air flow, he said. Germicidal lamps, a technology that Nardell said is almost 100 years old, have been proven effective in protecting against tuberculosis infection and are already in use in some settings to fight SARS-CoV-2. Compared with mechanical ventilation and portable room air cleaners, the lights, according to one study, have been shown to be up to 10 times more effective, Nardell said.

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It's because of people going to bars. Also the people who attended the trump tulsa rally contributed greatly to the spike in COVID-19 cases.

Ignore the protests, and listen to Buzzfeed. They said there's no link between black lives matter protests and the spike in COVID-19 cases.

https://twistedsifter.com/videos/drone-captures-las-largest-anti-racism-protest-ever-from-above/

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/peteraldhous/black-lives-matter-protests-coronavirus-no-surges

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Bishop9800 posted...

Still want to blame black folks I see....

They're not to blame, it wasn't their fault a group of power abusing police officers murdered a defenseless man. That's straight up SJW stuff you're pulling though, obviously blaming the protests for the increase in coronavirus cases is something only a racist would do, right? Get real buddy, we're being honest here. No one here has a vandetta against colored folk and are implying that what happened with Floyd should have been avoided. The whole thing happened a few days before the 1st of June which was when a lot of states planned to open up and people were extremely anxious due to being inside their homes for 3 months scared to death of a killer virus, then we had to witness right before opening a disgusting display of police brutality, and that was the straw that broke the camels back unfortunately. Pretty much everyone was upset about George Floyd, I freaking cried because of what they did. It was awful, very unfortunate thing, and very unfortunate timing.

Preston provided the answers for yall pretty bluntly. Like I said, no one saying the protests are to blame are against the BLM movement, we're just being honest. Sorry if I was kind of condescending, it just baffles me how the truth can be right in someone's face and because it requires a bit of courage to admit the real cause they silence that voice of truth inside of them.

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It's spiking because of the maskless protests and riots (some people on here will be ass hurt because I said a fact but it is what it is) with thousands of people cramped up together, the fucking Karens thinking they're too special for a mask, the dumb fucks who think putting old people together in a retirement home with other people that test positive is a good idea, corrupt ass politicians telling the public it's okay to not wear a mask, etc.

BigB0ss13 posted...

It's spiking because of the maskless protests and riots (some people on here will be ass hurt because I said a fact but it is what it is) with thousands of people cramped up together, the fucking Karens thinking they're too special for a mask, the dumb fucks who think putting old people together in a retirement home with other people that test positive is a good idea, corrupt ass politicians telling the public it's okay to not wear a mask, etc.

Yeah the treatment of the people at care centers in some states was really hard to comprehend.

prestonluv posted...

I don't think you are understanding me.

BLM helped expedite opening up. This allowed more people to venture out to bars, restaurants and more working in the business world. These are all indoors and therefore pose an increased risk of exposure. As a result more people have got the virus and we see this spike.

States were opening up more cautiously until the BLM protests, thats a fact, both red and blue state were more cautious. BLM hit and more started to open up. This is how BLM has indirectly caused a big spike in the number of cases.

Just because B happened after A doesnt mean that A caused B.
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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Just because B happened after A doesnt mean that A caused B.

He laid it out pretty clean for you

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prestonluv posted...

I am just trying to be neutral here. My kids marched for the protests and i support them 100%. But, i also realize there are side effect to things even if they are for a wonderful cause. I am listing those side effects in relation to the virus.

The poster earlier shared a good link on the time frame of each state opening. That was great to read. It was all a perfect storm to increase the cases so dramatically.

1. States start to re open
2. Protests take place
3. Some states expedite opening faster
4. Media focuses on protests and not virus
5. Young people who have little fear of virus are now out and about

A perfect storm. The good news is it looks like we are still protecting the at risk better and lets hope that continues.

yes

prestonluv posted...

Scientists have nothing to do with the states opening up faster. This isnt scientific, its more legal. Many places were approved to open up during and after the BLM protests. As a result more people were out in the open.

The good news is if what you are saying is true...BLM did not cause much if any of a direct spike in cases....than this bodes well for having fans at football games come september as long as masks are required. If millions can chant and yell outside at the protests without much of an increase than we should not see much of an increase from allowing outdoor sports and events to have spectators.

This is good news. The science shows mass gatherings are ok as long as its outdoors with masks on. I just don't understand why close public pools and beaches. Just enforce masks better