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| Topic | How do you shoot someone. Take a selfie of him dying. And get 3rd degree murder? |
| legendary_zell 06/29/17 12:04:25 PM #15 | Probably because of his age and the possibility that there was no premeditation. What you do afterwards generally won't affect your actual state of mind at the time of the crime. But that's what people are punished based on. It can be evidence of your state of mind, but it's not a substitute for premeditation or felony murder or anything. While this was extremely messed up, that's the law. He claimed it was an accident so he didn't clearly have the necessary intent for a higher charge. This kid was already tried as an adult and got 15 years, it's not like he got off. He's still a murderer. And it's obviously fine to think he should have gotten a higher charge and sentence or that the selfie was strong evidence of premeditation. This "so much for white privilege" angle is pure trolling though. --- |
| Topic | This meme sums up the police situation in America lmao |
| legendary_zell 06/29/17 10:47:20 AM #11 | Like how much more respect do you think cops should get than they currently do? The legal system has basically abdicated its role when it comes to controlling them out of "respect". Most people take them at their word. People consider it an extremely dangerous job when many jobs are more dangerous without being lionized. Police unions are pretty much the only type of union that isn't attacked by conservatives. They get state funerals. What else is there left other than immunizing them from meaningful criticism? --- |
| Topic | This meme sums up the police situation in America lmao |
| legendary_zell 06/29/17 10:39:48 AM #9 | DevsBro posted... Police literally risk their lives every day to protect the innocent and get no respect for it. This is just wrong. They get hero worshipped by most people in America. The vast majority of average people love the police and will take their side in almost any controversy. Especially if the other party is a "criminal". Vocal hatred by some pockets of the population, the internet, and activists doesn't change the fact that they're one step below soldiers in the amount of militaristic praise they receive for their bravery and keeping people safe. --- |
| Topic | CNN producer admits Russia narrative is bullshit and just for ratings. |
| legendary_zell 06/28/17 12:23:01 PM #106 | Just look at the posters gleefully lapping this up. Just preemptively saying "you can't criticize an untrustworthy source like James O'Keefe" doesn't mean we cant criticize Mr. Baby Parts/ACORN is the devil. Whatever agenda CNN has, he is known to manipulate and obscure the truth repeatedly. Just admit that you guys will accept any "evidence" that bolsters what each and every one of you already thought. No rational person would be convinced by something like this if they saw it neutrally. You guys already believed in the CNN is fake news that's out to get Trump narrative. That's why you're taking this seriously. If the Huffington Post posted a similar video under similar circumstances, but it went against Trump, you'd be calling this fake news (and rightfully so). CNN has definitely slipped in quality over the last decade. But this random video of some rando with no executive authority and no input on or connection to the higher ups or the the political news department appearing to do nothing more than give his opinions on why other people at his company do something....this isn't evidence unless you already believe. I hope you guys have enough integrity to admit that. --- |
| Topic | What was the first game that blew you away graphically? |
| legendary_zell 06/27/17 1:30:53 AM #61 | Squall28 posted... For me, it's FFX. For me, this is when game graphics really started looking good, and I was floored at how good things looked. I didn't have much money for games, so I was always a gen behind in games. So when FFX was out, I was playing FF7-FF9. In my mind, PS2 was this gaming powerhouse, and FFX was the pinnacle of graphics. All of this is true, word for word for me. I remember explicitly wondering whether graphics could even get better than they were in the FMVs in FFX --- |
| Topic | White St. Louis cop shot black off-duty officer |
| legendary_zell 06/23/17 3:39:22 PM #25 | scorpion41 posted... So when are you guys putting in your applications? So because they signed up for this job that immunizes them to any and all criticism? They swore to be a good officer who protects the community and inspires trust and confidence. If they fail, they shouldn't get a pass. I don't think I've seen a single post that wasn't aiming towards exempting police from criticism simply because they are police. --- |
| Topic | Racist Canadian White woman refuses to have ill son see any doctor not White |
| legendary_zell 06/22/17 1:17:02 AM #48 | MakoReizei posted... maybe she just didn't want an affirmative action doctor You really are a piece of work. --- |
| Topic | Philando Castile Dash cam is out. |
| legendary_zell 06/21/17 4:45:14 PM #269 | s0nicfan posted... hockeybub89 posted...Who is being paid to be in a position of power and already has his gun trained on the guy? Not Philando Castile. It is not the civilian's job to do the officer's job. So not right. The cop bears 100% responsibility for this shooting and others like it. You can't expect the untrained civvie to pick up the slack for your incompetence when you have made him nervous and scared and given him a handful of seconds to pull his shit together. You must be trolling now. This is the opposite of what the poster you quoted said. I assumed this whole time you've been arguing in good faith, but I guess not. --- |
| Topic | Philando Castile Dash cam is out. |
| legendary_zell 06/21/17 4:43:33 PM #267 | s0nicfan posted... legendary_zell posted...Where's the allowance for confusion on the part of the civilian? He repeated the same unclear instruction twice within a second. How about changing your instruction to what you actually want them to do or giving time for a compliant and stressed civilian to understand your unclear instruction and make non-jerky movements in a pressure situation? Is that too much to ask? Or is every traffic stop a game where if you guess wrong about what the officer wants you to do, you're dead and the officer will suffer no consequences because afterwards, people can say "he should have done X".? --- |
| Topic | Philando Castile Dash cam is out. |
| legendary_zell 06/21/17 4:34:30 PM #260 | scorpion41 posted... "Can I have your ID please?" Where's the allowance for confusion on the part of the civilian? He was told one direction and then another that was not related and was contradictory. He was trying to comply with one and was shot for disobeying the other. Police are offered all types of anti-hindsight coverage and allowances for reasonable and even reckless mistakes. Those same types mistakes seem to be a death sentence for motorists though. Castille likely thought he was continuing to comply as he had been throughout the entirety of the stop. Just because he didn't take the one action that would calm down an irrationally panicked cop doesn't mean he did something wrong or unreasonable. The officer gave unclear direction and almost immediately shot Castille when he didn't comply by performing an action completely different from what he was directed to do. With how jumpy the officer was, he may have shot for any unexpected movement, including a motion by Castille to put his hands on the dashboard. The problem here is that the officer entered an irrational mindset where he was unable to think clearly or give clear commands and his first instinct was to shoot wildly. --- |
| Topic | Is "affluenza" a real thing? |
| legendary_zell 06/21/17 4:13:14 PM #9 | I'd actually be willing to say that it is if there was equal acknowledgment that poorfluenza is also a thing. But that would pretty much shut down our criminal justice system and our moral judgment of lower class criminals, so it'll never happen. --- |
| Topic | Philando Castile Dash cam is out. |
| legendary_zell 06/21/17 3:31:08 PM #215 | StealthRock posted... ClunkerSlim posted...StealthRock posted...After the second, "Don't pull it out!!", he should've just stopped. There wasn't 7 seconds to stop moving. The whole time from the gun being announced to bullets flying was 7 seconds. He had a few seconds max to perform one of the limited range of actions that wouldn't result in a panicked cop with his gun already out shooting him. Even pulling his hand away could have gotten him shot. Like others have said, what the cop really wanted was for Castille to freeze completely or to put his hands on the dashboard or something. --- |
| Topic | Philando Castile Dash cam is out. |
| legendary_zell 06/21/17 2:45:23 PM #198 | s0nicfan posted... cjsdowg posted...s0nicfan posted... We can't see what was happening here at all. We don't know if he was reaching for it or what actions he was making or why. But we can tell there was almost no time between Castille calmly explaining that he had a gun and the officer immediately panicking. There was barely even enough time to stop reaching if he was reaching in the direction of the gun. That's the problem here, as soon as that was said, the officer immediately jumped into shoot first mode. Even though Castille had done everything right up until that point and the voluntary disclosure that destroyed the element of surprise should have calmed a reasonable officer down. Instead, the officer used it to escalate the situation and gave almost no time to comply. Instead of giving calm directions about what he actually wanted Castille to do to safely deal with the gun, he freaked out and shot the guy within two or 3 seconds. --- |
| Topic | Philando Castile Dash cam is out. |
| legendary_zell 06/21/17 2:28:16 PM #187 | I just hate how fear is only acknowledged as an excuse for one side. Surely after so many stories like this, citizens, and especially citizens of color have earned the right to be nervous and fearful during traffic stops. But we have to fight through that fear and act with perfect clarity and deference or we will be shot in the street. Meanwhile, the officer can become irrationally scared or create the scary situation through his own words or actions, can make deadly errors due to these mistakes, and all people will do is point out the errors made by the citizen who was just as afraid. --- |
| Topic | Philando Castile Dash cam is out. |
| legendary_zell 06/21/17 2:23:44 PM #185 | What I don't understand is why the officer who is a professional, who has been trained in law and procedure is held to such a lenient standard. Meanwhile, the citizen that the officer is supposed to protect, who is not familiar with procedure, who is being placed in a stressful situation as well, who is trying to comply is liable to be executed for not handling a situation perfectly. That's what bothers me the most about these cases. Civilians must be perfect in these situations or they will be killed with no recourse, while officers can make every single mistake in the book, mislead, give contrary directions, escalate, fail to deescalate, etc and they will be given every benefit of the doubt because they were scared. What about the fear of the black civilian who was legally carrying a gun? Who had his daughter in the back? Who's dealing with a panicked cop giving multiple commands and is trying to do the right thing? Why is that Castile is judged with 20/20 hindsight but for the officer with control and expertise, we refuse to allow his mistakes to have any legal effect. And when did we get to the point that it is "common sense" that every routine traffic stop is a life and death test of your ability to keep an officer calm? People are acting like that's normal, but it's not. --- |
| Topic | Unemployed Men Undesirable To Women, Its Just Lunch Survey Finds |
| legendary_zell 06/20/17 4:51:37 PM #97 |
I don't think gender roles is a primary factor here, like everyone else has been saying. Maybe that's where the disconnect has been. I think it's pretty much a universal requirement. It's only been less so for women because women haven't been allowed or expected to work outside the home for that long. Men reserved the working world to ourselves for a long ass time, so of course we're going to be judged based on our success in that world. As women catch up to or surpass men as workers and income earners, they'll gradually be judged more harshly on that basis. It's already happening. Like I said, there's almost no chance I'd accept a legit unemployed woman as my significant other. --- |
| Topic | Unemployed Men Undesirable To Women, Its Just Lunch Survey Finds |
| legendary_zell 06/20/17 4:20:08 PM #94 | P4wn4g3 posted... Twin3Turbo posted...legendary_zell posted...This topic honestly has a feeling of "ugh, we're expected to have JOBS too now, these women just want more and more!" I think we all agree there are valid reasons to be between jobs. In fact, I specifically listed that as being okay. I'm not sure what you mean by women having their cake and eating it too? Everyone has the right to expect their partner to be employed. Merely being employed doesn't make you high quality. Being unemployed also doesn't necessarily make you low quality, but it sure as hell lowers your quality and it's a major red flag. Again, it's a basic requirement. Like being single in the first place. --- |
| Topic | Unemployed Men Undesirable To Women, Its Just Lunch Survey Finds |
| legendary_zell 06/20/17 3:51:37 PM #90 | This topic honestly has a feeling of "ugh, we're expected to have JOBS too now, these women just want more and more!" --- |
| Topic | Unemployed Men Undesirable To Women, Its Just Lunch Survey Finds |
| legendary_zell 06/20/17 3:50:50 PM #89 | There is nothing wrong with this. A well adjusted human being who didn't just graduate is generally going to have a job. It doesn't even have to be a good one. There are so many social and financial benefits associated with having a job and even more detriments from not having one. It's one of the more valid requirements people of any gender have. I can't help but make negative assumptions about a potential partner that is unemployed, not recently graduated, not in school, not in-between jobs, and not aggressively looking. I don't want to worry about supporting them or prodding them to get off their ass. I want someone who is going somewhere in life, who has their own goals and is achieving them one by one. I'm saying all this as a guy. But CE is full of bitter guys who think women should accept anyone who sets their sights on them or they're a hypocritical feminazi exploiting female preveledge. --- |
| Topic | Polygon article on Steam really puts shit in perspective lately |
| legendary_zell 06/11/17 3:10:50 PM #44 | Twinmold posted... Article talks about Steam stockholm syndrome amongst its fanbase. Said fanbase then does it's very best to prove the article right in this very topic. Hilarious. Combined with reflexive anti-Polygon syndrome. Pretty damn predictable. This doesn't include the people who just think it's the best service though. --- |
| Topic | Anti- Islamification protests in 30 US states |
| legendary_zell 06/10/17 3:53:25 PM #200 | Howl posted... legendary_zell posted...It's not a serious danger to non-Muslims anyway. I'm not sure what you're talking about. I was only commenting on the idea that Muslims are kept from being friends with non-Muslims. Not squashing dissent or whatever. It's not a good thing if it does happen, but it's not dangerous generally/. --- |
| Topic | Anti- Islamification protests in 30 US states |
| legendary_zell 06/10/17 3:41:06 PM #198 | Skatz95 posted... Muslims also aren't allowed to be friends or allies with non-muslims otherwise they are accused of being non-muslim. Islam itself is radical and was spread by deceit and by the sword and still does today. This rarely happens. It's not a serious danger to non-Muslims anyway. Seems like more of a problem for Muslims that interact with hardliners. --- |
| Topic | Anti- Islamification protests in 30 US states |
| legendary_zell 06/10/17 11:48:42 AM #38 | GAMER_X posted... shockthemonkey posted...Is Islamification going to be the new buzzword for people who want to bitch about brown people? First of all, some people literally think this and are victimized because of it, so I wouldn't call it a victim complex. Just ask Indian hindus and Sikhs. BillyKidd posted... In other news, Muslim doctor in Michigan arrested for doing over 100 female circumcisions. FGM has nothing to do with Islam. It's a cultural practice throughout the world. It's incredibly horrible and should be stamped out, but it's not part of Islam. People of many different religions, including Christians and the non-religious practice it because it was a preexisting cultural practice and just roll it into their religion. --- |
| Topic | UK Prime Minister: 'If human rights laws get in the way of tackling terrorism... |
| legendary_zell 06/07/17 4:55:52 PM #142 | Howl posted... For everyone calling Admiral racist for saying that, It's logical in the same way that execution/life imprisonment of all criminals is a logical way to end crime. Furthermore, while an AI might not be expected to understand all of the economic, political, moral, historical, and social reasons why it's a bad idea, humans certainly are. That's why we already had these debates and created anti-discrimination and human rights laws in the first place. --- |
| Topic | UK Prime Minister: 'If human rights laws get in the way of tackling terrorism... |
| legendary_zell 06/07/17 4:26:04 PM #135 | I love how "tough decisions" is always code for treating brown people as a class like human garbage. It never involves stronger attempts at cultural integration or economic aid or changes in foreign policy. That's not punitive enough and we know making "tough decisions" always means handing out pain to minority groups, not helping them. Admiral is just being honest. He has long supported blatant profiling as long as it is of brown people. He's fine with collective punishment, fully giving into belief stereotypes, widespread violations of rights, big government policies, etc as long as it affects people in a class he will never be a part of. If anything like that were to happen to him though, he'd be screaming bloody murder. The same goes for everyone else who supports "tough decisions" like these. Many of you are conservative and yet you're rooting for the constitution or equivalent documents to be torn up when it comes to people with dark skin or an accent. You claim to like freedom but you'd probably support raids on mosques and hyper aggressive policing. Regardless of the effect this is sure to have on society at large, you should be out there in front opposing stuff like this if you really value these rights and freedoms. --- |
| Topic | Why are white men so obsessed with Asian girls? |
| legendary_zell 06/05/17 9:47:45 PM #19 | |
| Topic | Live: Antifa and Trump supporters face off in Portland. |
| legendary_zell 06/05/17 9:37:14 PM #143 | The Admiral posted... legendary_zell posted...How is it a conspiracy theory to deny the argument that the only Nazis are people who openly identify as such. Again there's no conspiracy element or joint action required. I already explained how that reaction isn't unique to this group, it's something everyone who has a social stigma associated with them does. Yet you conveniently ignored that part. This is why people call you deliberately obtuse or a troll at worst. Richard Spencer and his supporters have denied being Nazis though he espouses white nationalist rhetoric, calls for ethnic cleansing, quotes Hitler, says stuff like "Hail Trump" and his supporters Nazi salute in response. On camera. Am I conspiracy theorist for calling them Nazis even though they deny it? And why do you think they deny being Nazis even though they clearly have positive feelings towards Nazi thought and attitudes? You can't call me a Nazi because I have none of the political, economic, or social beliefs of one. Can you say the same about the people holding the confederate flag and "protesting" when their candidate won? I don't think so. --- |
| Topic | Live: Antifa and Trump supporters face off in Portland. |
| legendary_zell 06/05/17 7:53:11 PM #132 | The Admiral posted... legendary_zell posted...It's funny how everyone is giving these right wing protesters the benefit of the doubt. Because they are not dumb enough to openly call themselves Nazis, that means that they aren't, even if they are ideologically indistinguishable from one? If someone says they don't follow or even hate Richard Spencer on camera, but they believe all the same things as him and are giving Nazi salutes with one hand and clutching the Confederate flag in the other, they're not Nazis because they say so? I hope you extend that same courtesy to Antifa and other groups. How is it a conspiracy theory to deny the argument that the only Nazis are people who openly identify as such. It's the same as any other overwhelmingly negative ideology or grouping. Rapist, racist, SJW, etc. If someone denied being an SJW but couldn't shut up about the patriarchy, posted on Tumblr 24/7 and all that stuff I very much doubt you'd call it a conspiracy theory. This is about these people's ideology and the results they want to see from their preferred policies, not about self identification. You know this, you are just being purposefully obtuse so you can continue your shtick about those crazy libs. I will maintain the "moral highground" by not being a Nazi, by continuing to call out Nazis when I see them, and by refusing to carry water for them as you are. I'm not gonna go hit these people with bike chains but I agree that their vision of the future would be a nightmare for almost all non-WASP, straight, males. --- |
| Topic | Live: Antifa and Trump supporters face off in Portland. |
| legendary_zell 06/05/17 7:16:47 PM #130 | It's funny how everyone is giving these right wing protesters the benefit of the doubt. Because they are not dumb enough to openly call themselves Nazis, that means that they aren't, even if they are ideologically indistinguishable from one? If someone says they don't follow or even hate Richard Spencer on camera, but they believe all the same things as him and are giving Nazi salutes with one hand and clutching the Confederate flag in the other, they're not Nazis because they say so? I hope you extend that same courtesy to Antifa and other groups. If they say they're not violent on camera, that must mean they're not, right? --- |
| Topic | HBO says Bill Mahers use of N-word is inexcusable |
| legendary_zell 06/03/17 8:44:10 PM #118 | To all the people saying black people aren't offended? Tons of us are. I don't like that he used that word. Especially in that context. But I doubt y'all actually care. You're just using it as a standard insult against white libs. You don't attach any special importance to black people's experiences or them being offended. If we say we're offended, you'll just call us racial victims or perpetually outraged or some other buzz phrase. You're just using the hypothetical black masses as a cover for people who say dumb, racist stuff. --- |
| Topic | Several Baltimore schools report 0 students proficient in math, reading |
| legendary_zell 05/29/17 12:07:35 AM #85 | Nomadic View posted... Self sufficiency is the core of the issue. Malcom X wanted black people to be self sustaining. It's the same argument we're having today. He didn't want black people to be dependent on anyone except for themselves, which is the exact opposite of what today's Democratic Party stands for. The arguments he made in the sixties are the same arguments and criticisms of the Democratic Party today. You pretty much ignored everything I said about the meaning of self sufficiency in this context. You are using it in one context and to mean one thing while he meant something completely different. But again you are trying to pretend you're talking about the same thing, for the same reasons. You're not. That's not even mentioning the whole conspiracy theory about the motivations of the Democratic party. The party gave up a whole section of the country for the sake of a minority and still haven't recovered, but they did it for political power? That makes sense. Maybe conservatives are so cynical about the Democratic party's motivations because they explicitly did the opposite with the Southern strategy? It also never occurs to conservatives that maybe black people vote in overwhelming numbers for democrats not because of "dependency" but because the other party ranges from neglectful to openly hostile towards them? There's not much of a choice unless you are a die hard conservative. It's simply a rational choice to vote for a party that has a track record of sometimes having your interests at heart vs a party that is constantly trying to roll back progress. --- |
| Topic | Several Baltimore schools report 0 students proficient in math, reading |
| legendary_zell 05/28/17 11:54:47 PM #82 | That quote is about the intransigence of white supremacy, even among "allies". That's the reason the Dems weren't doing anything and the reason that black people had to basically ignore whites socially, economically, and politically. They had to do that not because they weren't beaten down, but because they could never truly rely on white people to help in a meaningful way. Because whites were too racist or selfish or ignorant. Not because black people would be just fine and dandy if they could stop listening to gangsta rap. --- |
| Topic | Several Baltimore schools report 0 students proficient in math, reading |
| legendary_zell 05/28/17 11:49:28 PM #81 | Nomadic View posted... Kineth posted...Nomadic View posted...Because even the man that called for the most extreme measures for civil rights still wasn't persuaded by the ideology that black people need hand outs from white people. You are literally doing exactly what I talked about. You are propping up a black person's words as a transparent "gotcha" attempt. You are stripping his words off all context and trying to serve them up as if they support your form of bootstraps mentality. That context is essential here and I'm sure if any poster here were to espouse his full, non-cherrypicked views, you'd call them racist. He thought white people would never ever stop destroying black people and communities and wanted self sufficiency as both an offensive and defensive measure. He wasn't talking about ending food stamps or something, he was talking about absolute distrust and practical separation between the races. If that's not what you're talking about, then using those quotes is disingenuous. You're attempting to use it for something he would have been very unlikely to support and calling it "logic". It's your "logic", not his. Stop using radical black figures as mouthpieces for contemporary conservative politics. It makes no sense and it doesn't work. --- |
| Topic | Several Baltimore schools report 0 students proficient in math, reading |
| legendary_zell 05/28/17 1:54:39 PM #71 | Nomadic View posted... Kineth posted...The Admiral posted...This is what decades of uncontested Democratic control predicated on forcing victim rhetoric onto voters will do. You tell people the system is racist and rigged against them First of all, I'm not sure why you're quoting Malcolm X positively when I doubt you'd support his solutions to most anything. I'm sure if people tried to do it now, you'd throw a fit and call it segregation. Second, that same Democratic Congress he's talking about passed the most important civil rights legislation of all time which essentially cast the Dixiecrats out of the party and sent them to the Republicans. Which is part of why they didn't do it before. It's funny how black people's thoughts on the black community are only worth listening to if they downplay the role of racism and can be construed as reflecting a conservative bootstraps mentality. --- |
| Topic | Why is it okay to say don't judge all muslims but then say fuck all cops? |
| legendary_zell 05/26/17 3:19:07 PM #6 | |
| Topic | GOP candidate for special election in Montana tomorrow SLAMS reporter |
| legendary_zell 05/25/17 2:14:43 AM #101 | Nobody better take Gojack or Tropicalwood seriously after this. This is just further confirmation of their extreme, reflexive, nonsensical partisanship. They will defend any bad thing that a conservative does and cheer anything bad a conservative does to a liberal. It's now undeniable. --- |
| Topic | A terrorist bombing takes place and CE turns it into a political argument... |
| legendary_zell 05/22/17 11:23:42 PM #41 | Capn Circus posted... legendary_zell posted...muchdran posted...legendary_zell posted...mattnd2007 posted...exactly. we claim it is islamic terrorism. the lefties say you don't know. turns out we're right. lefties still say we're racist because we said it before it was officially announced. We don't know anything about who did this even if they were muslim. We don't know their background, where they came from, what influenced them or anything. Yet people are still very happy to immediately use events like this to foster general anti-Muslim sentiment. You can dress it up as "political solutions" but you especially are not fooling anyone. The "problem" in your view is the presence of Muslims and your "political solutions" would involve mass human rights violations. --- |
| Topic | A terrorist bombing takes place and CE turns it into a political argument... |
| legendary_zell 05/22/17 11:02:42 PM #37 | muchdran posted... legendary_zell posted...mattnd2007 posted...exactly. we claim it is islamic terrorism. the lefties say you don't know. turns out we're right. lefties still say we're racist because we said it before it was officially announced. I didn't mention racism at all. I don't know why you're bringing it up now. The facts are that there's a section of society that actively hopes every public incident is a terrorist attack so they can get their 48 hour buffer period where it's okay to say hateful things. It happens with every major news story. A perfect example is Times Square accident that happened recently. People were smugly proclaiming within 10 seconds of the crash how an accident in NYC MUST have been a terrorist attack and anyone who couldn't see that was a blind SJW. These people don't know anything. They WANT it to be a Muslim and assume it is so without regard to facts. --- |
| Topic | A terrorist bombing takes place and CE turns it into a political argument... |
| legendary_zell 05/22/17 10:26:16 PM #18 | mattnd2007 posted... exactly. we claim it is islamic terrorism. the lefties say you don't know. turns out we're right. lefties still say we're racist because we said it before it was officially announced. This is because you guys are giddy about it because you feel it justiifes your narrative. You jump at every single event with multiple casualties and breathlessly spew about how you just "know" it was committed by a Muslim. Many even blatantly call for Muslim bans or deportations within the same post. You do this before ANY facts come out and smugly proclaim that the libs are in denial. You guys then simply ignore when you've been wrong, just in the past few months. Because you're not truthtellers, you're hacks with an agenda. --- |
| Topic | Is this were you, what would your reaction be? |
| legendary_zell 05/21/17 4:23:45 PM #14 | slothica posted... To immediately put the lid back on, get out of the car and light it on fire. This. --- |
| Topic | The reason African Americans have it tough and whites are "privileged" |
| legendary_zell 05/21/17 11:50:28 AM #147 | Most Americans, including whites, don't benefit from generational wealth. Most new millionaires over the last few decades were self-made. In other words, they didn't benefit from inheritance or from familial wealth. Real estate values did not help them. Most people don't own homes and never benefited from owning homes for generations. So the OP is incorrect in this regard - home ownership hasn't benefited whites as much as you think, seeing as most whites are in the same bucket as everyone else. IE living paycheck to paycheck and juggling large debts. There are immigrants of all skin colors who come to America and thrive. Even in bad areas, and even after not benefiting from generational wealth or from wealth gained from real estate in decades passed. My family is one of those families, and it's why I don't believe in the victimization culture that is springing up in America. Americans aren't being held back by their parents and grandparents not having accumulated wealth. My parents came here with nothing in the bank and we lived in the south side of Chicago while I was growing up. Their parents didn't have anything either, but they were able to come here and thrive. I appreciate the effort behind this post and it looks like it was actually made in good faith, unlike others in this topic. But you're making empirical arguments that are simply incorrect. You're pretty much committing every standard mistake in this area. The biggest one is the "we're all the same, we're all struggling" rhetoric. We may all be struggling, but not nearly at the same level. I don't know how you could say that whites do not benefit from generational wealth when they are on average several times more wealthy. That's a fact. They have higher rates of college graduation and thus higher income in part because of the GI Bill that financed their education, and not others. There's so many things like that. Things are not and have never been equal. It's not racist or assuming some extra privilege to acknowledge that. I understand you didn't have that form of privilege because you were an immigrant. But that's not the case for the average American, white or black. For them, the story is that generally whites were screwed by class if anything. Minorities were screwed by a horrible mix of class and race that reinforce each other. That's the way it was until at least the 80s. That's going to have incredibly deep and long lasting effects for everyone. That's why it's kinda ridiculous to expect everything to be fixed since Reagan. Plus no one is saying you as an individual couldn't be affected by prejudice or by class, but that doesn't mean you didn't have social benefits do your skin color. It's not just about economics or social interactions, it's a complex mix of both. Furthermore, people act like Affirmative Action is some huge gift when its been done halfheartedly and there's been huge pushback and legal obstacles since day one. All the while forgetting that there was reverse AA for about 400 years that was much stronger and more widely enforced. There was reverse public housing, reverse scholarships, reverse everything that people use to argue minorities should have escaped the underclass already. --- |
| Topic | Lol, GOPers deny conversation happen, then get told recording exists |
| legendary_zell 05/17/17 10:03:57 PM #26 | Also I can't believe this still needs to be posted, but he did not have complete control for 2 years. Plus our system is purposefully designed to allow a vocal minority to slow everything to a crawl. So you really need New Deal level majorities or lockstep party loyalty and smaller majorities to do big stuff. --- |
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