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Currently I feel HB is thoroughly thrusted. But that's why I'm encouraging him to do some reads on dowolf or... you know, anyone. Going into more depth on me or puns or lea would be fine too, really. I would just like something that resembles scumhunting and not defensive play.
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Yeah I hate lists I agree with red

Flooding the town with information that doesn't decisively go in one direction accomplishes nothing (this is why I asked "why do you need nine" rather than playing)
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pezloco posted...

But what I see is Chris going off still about HB. I'm still not sure I understand his original reasoning.

Not to put words in Chris's mouth but Chris's original reasoning is basically as I understand it that HB pulled out Chris's post about Ben as something important, but made no real attempt to do anything with the post himself. He didn't ask Chris about anything, didn't really investigate Ben, didn't really do much of anything with respect to the post so it just sounded like a way to butter Chris up while not really believing the post mattered.

Which is somewhat similar to the source of my suspicion. Mine is more centered on me in that I think that to truly be outraged, and not faking it, when I told red to skip posts, you should've had posts in mind that struck you as important-- which bridges into Chris's point. I also think he's been a bit stubborn in general, more stubborn than a town should be. I feel I'm being tunneled out of desperation because it would look scummy for him to remove the vote at this point-- his argument against me was that I only started contributing content once I had pressure on me (which is clearly not true because I haven't really ever had much pressure on me, and even if single votes were pressure it wasn't his vote that was first) and that I have been largely fluffy (I would say I haven't been mostly fluffy since the first topic because I have actual angles to consider now). His defense of the first was that he did not realize Ulti had voted me when he came to this conclusion, and he hasn't really defended the second. Were the suspicion genuinely from that argument I think a town player would re-evaluate at this point.

Does that all make sense or does none of this really make sense to you either.
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I think it's ironic that Cam town cleared me for asking about incorrect vote syntax and then proceeds to vote with incorrect vote syntax roughly 17000 times

Some sort of next level play or coincidence you decide.
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Hbthebattle posted...

"this guy being scum is plausible but I haven't looked into him too deeply"

You should look into dowolf. I think seeing your reaction to a suspect you have no reason to be biased about will be very helpful for town to discern your alignment properly.
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Camarija posted...

Yo, people here

I need help filling out my list

Can I get your reads on these dudes if you're here now?

Why do you want reads on nine people? You couldn't narrow it down a bit more?
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red13n posted...

topic 1 is a lot of fluff.

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Okay on a PC actually read the topic over again.

Think my assessment of the lack of conviction behind hbthebattle's 'suspicion' of puns and lea was accurate. I don't feel a lot of heart there. It feels mostly like he's just bsing a reason to suspect people that are suspecting him.

hbthebattle do you have any suspicions of people not on your case right now? Because what I'm getting here feels mostly like thrashing under pressure more than an attempt to do well. I mean, you are my number one suspicion to be sure, but it is day one so it's possible I'm wrong because it's day one. If you're town, refocusing and give a non-reactionary view of who the possible scum in the game are could help your case tremendously.
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Hbthebattle posted...

And Ive said my suspicions on Lea and Puns, havent I?

Not with enough depth or conviction to my liking but it's possible I didn't read it well enough as I'm on mobile and as such have been somewhat speeding over stuff not directly aimed at me for now

I'll look at your cases on them later today but for now my phone is dying so see ya in a few hours.
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I built your train but, factually, I'm not currently on it, yet it has a lot of votes. So it stands to reason if your claim is you must be town because there are scum on the lynch that you have people on there you think are likely scum
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Are you kidding me?

I built your train and you admitted your argument had holes and have made no effort to correct it or revise it despite me giving you opportunities to
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Corrik7 posted...

Would you care to put the village above your own self? As a true hero would...

B... B... But... target bomb...

Wait what I'm voting, sbell? Not sure he's scum yet quite frankly just think he's biased because he knows I don't think highly of him (NO OFFENSE NO MODKILL PLZ)
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I think wagons not forming on just anyone is a sign of the effort put forth. The cases on Mzero and Ben were lower effort so they didn't get wagons as easily. Says nothing about alignments

Though I am curious, hb, who on your lynch you suspect if you think it's getting momentum because of scum influence. Neither me nor Ben are even on it!
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My role's ability lets me change my vote as many times per day as I please Corrik, worry not.
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You think I'm scum why? I asked you for a reason and you just admitted you were mistaken and didn't see the post from Ulti
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Hbthebattle posted...

It was not an hour iirc, and I didnt see his post when I made mine.

Who cares what you saw then I'm asking what you see now. You have been looking into me and Ben do you have anything?
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Also technically if we're going with first poke Ulti beat you by like an hour and I ignored him because he didn't do it in a way I found notable
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Hey I was fluffy but hardly lazy this humor doesn't write itself.

Frankly I'm not sure what more you wanted me to do at that point? Isn't that what early day 1 is for? What substance were you looking for in the first 2 hours?
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Hbthebattle posted...

Do you have a scum read on me for my actions in investigating Lopen, or do you want to see the data of how I react?

This keeps being mentioned but what investigation of me have you actually done? You've actually made no meaningful attempt to paint me as scum that I recall. Last I heard you were investigating Ben
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You know what he could be though?

A target bomb

Adavakadevera I am out of here
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Harry Potter is a goddamn wizard dude there's no way he'd be a vanilla OR a villager
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For a day one case it's fantastic. If you have a better case you should present one.
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If Chris laid out a compelling case then why is there necessarily a need to add to it? If you have something to add, do so, but if you don't just appending some garbage is in the interest of making you look like town more than anything.

Also don't call me a sheep this is very clearly my lynch even if I don't have a vote on it
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The question should be less whether a lynch has sheep and whether the case on the lynch has substance. Town can be sheepy. It's not inherently pro-town to put more lynch targets out there. In fact I'd call it anti-town if you don't think the case on them is legitimately better.
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I chose to hide

Because he's an incredibly deadly target bomb. I don't want to be caught in that blast.
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Well I was all ready to vote hbthebattle and now it looks unoriginal

To elaborate a bit on why, though, it's mostly because he has felt like he's been trying to say what I want to hear more than something honest. "Why, yes, I thought of this post!" "In what way" "Well I looked into Ben" "And?" "I haven't found anything yet"

If it was important at the time of getting on my case, I feel like suspicion of Ben would have logically already been there at that time otherwise that post should not have really sprung to your head as something that must be read. Seems more like he just got the first substantive looking post he could find and then kept going with it cause backing down would make him look scummy. Also him saying I should have just admitted it was a joke rather than getting up in his face didn't sit right with me either.

That being said I'll hold off for now. You know. In case he's target bomb.
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pezloco posted...

Can you point me to your thoughts on hbt? I don't have much of a read on him yet.

I am currently obtaining a read by investigating his justification for voting me. (Which, to be perfectly honest, I have found a bit WANTING so far)
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Hbthebattle posted...

I don't have a conclusion yet, I'm in the process of doing so. But it does seem like Ben might be trying to butter me up.

Were there any posts you felt were notable from him other than him buttering you up?
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Alright well I'm going to be occupied most of the day as Wednesdays I work in a location with spotty internet availability.

Death as the one person who has found my pressure of hbthebattle on why that Chris post was so important interesting, you must make him answer my question. Do not let him brush it aside! Grill him with the... you know... the grilling! The coward must lay out his reasoning for all of us to take in, not bandwagon on Ulti's!
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UltimaterializerX posted...

What posts in the first 400 should we skip and not worry about since theyre so unimportant?

The majority of it is pure banter and can for the most part be skipped. I've replaced into many games and I generally skip day 1 entirely aside from the last 2 hour scramble and maybe a bit before that depending how dense the post count is in the hours before and I've had some very strong replace games. You can generally find the useful element of day 1 there, as people will dredge up and focus on the meaningful posts for you.
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Hbthebattle you never answered me why you thought that Chris post was important. Could you elaborate please?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

No. I believe I already said he would never skip anything.

Do you believe I thought he would listen to me?
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The bisch with the strong #2 finish well done
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Ulti I notice you avoided my question:

Do you think red was likely to listen to me when I told him to skip 400 posts?
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Luis is from back in my days ya whippersnapper. My memory is mostly him being a terror to scum if he gets vigilante as he's really good at intuiting scum but not great at convincing people of his reads

So we should all listen to Luis by default

Unless we think he's scum

(Or he says I'm scum because I KNOW I'M TOWN mirite)
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Do you think I thought he would listen to me, then?
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Lopen, its general principle. I would call anyone out for it.

So do you think red is likely to listen to my suggestion that he skips 400 posts?
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I head to slumber, disappointed that all my conversation partners left so shortly after the stupid posting ended!

@Hbthebattle

Lopen posted...

Ah. So would you mind elaborating on your thoughts on that big opening Chris post, if it immediately sprung to mind? What part of it spoke to you? Do you think Ben is scum, maybe? Or was it something else?

Please respond to that question to you to the best of your ability when you return. I would not like this to be buried beneath 300 more posts of fluff and be lost in the shuffle. Thank you kindly.
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No chain lucky for me too many dupes. They hit the wrong type on most of them for me.
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@UltimaterializerX

One more question when you awake. Unlike hb, you had no specific posts that made you outraged for me to tell red to skip, so I'm curious why you thought it was scummy? Is it telling a player to skip posts on principle? Would it be more or less scummy if I had said that to say, Camarija? How about if say... Sir Chris said it to SultanOfSlam?
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Ah. So would you mind elaborating on your thoughts on that big opening Chris post, if it immediately sprung to mind? What part of it spoke to you? Do you think Ben is scum, maybe? Or was it something else?
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Hbthebattle posted...

By skipping them, you'd miss this. There were many others but I'm lazy and Chris writes walls of texts so

So was that in your mind when I told him to skip everything? Or did you go back and pull that one after I requested you to?
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