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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 16: Conflict Resolution
Lopen
06/28/19 11:19:17 AM
#44
Imagine if Pez put as much time into finding scum as he does obsessing over Tom
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 16: Conflict Resolution
Lopen
06/28/19 11:00:04 AM
#35
Can one of the lying villagers/puns just claim doctor so egomaniac Pez can stop thinking he's figured the game out
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 16: Conflict Resolution
Lopen
06/28/19 10:55:48 AM
#25
pezloco posted...
And then Lolo flipped town


When did this happen.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 16: Conflict Resolution
Lopen
06/28/19 10:34:26 AM
#3
Cam, CLAIM OR DIE as well

And you mystery villagers who are clearly lying about being villagers
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
Lopen
06/28/19 10:33:30 AM
#451
Also puns, obviously.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 10:33:20 AM
#450
We still haven't mass claimed. I think it's smart for any of the villager claims that are lying to reveal themselves as well. Scum probably knows who you are at this point.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 10:26:09 AM
#432
(Tom is a mason recruiter and recruited Pez)
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 10:25:42 AM
#431
I mean I can tell you why if you want. I've used detective work to figure it out.

I'm not sure why he needs to same time claim, either, though.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 10:23:40 AM
#427
Pez already claimed villager some dude from 1984. It's you and Tom (and technically Cam as well as anyone else who needs to revise their claim)
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 10:20:51 AM
#419
I believed 5tarscream. Also have power reads on some unclaimed. I'm 1/1 on doubting these things so I'm not sure why you're so upset anyway.

I'm so ready for 4/4. Scum should claim villager more often.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 10:16:47 AM
#410
Lolo + Corrik + Ben + Cam as mafia solves the game nicely

Just sayin

If this is the mafia team I want a cookie when this is over
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 10:14:52 AM
#408
Tom Bombadil posted...
we could lynch cam either way I guess for +EV~~~


Now we're talkin.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 10:14:16 AM
#407
I will say because Corrik has his eye out on lone wolf, if he's on the scum team them actually trying to recruit Cam makes more sense. When I googled "lost wolf mafia" I came across the traitor page, so I could definitely see Corrik doing that and saying "hey maybe we can recruit him"
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 10:11:16 AM
#404
Corrik being scum I have also considered, yes. I don't think he no kills to do some sort of gambit, though. Recruiting cam and making the most of the non-kill + coming up with this as a way to save Lolo from being lynched today + 'confirming' himself tomorrow when we lynch Lolo is plausible though.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 10:09:09 AM
#402
Like really, scum no killing, which has been proposed by other people as a hypothetical, should by far be a dumber theory than Cam being recruited.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 10:07:59 AM
#400
If you assume Lolo is scum it's either that or scum shot a bulletproof or another protection worked.

Corrik wants an inflated sense of worth so naturally he thinks his role did it, I get it
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 10:06:14 AM
#398
Also I'm 1 for 1 calling power claims bs so let's not get ahead of ourselves

Soon to be 3 for 3 btw
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 10:05:09 AM
#396
Why is your theory that he's lone wolf okay, but when there is a role similar to lone wolf that would also explain a non kill last night that exists, that suddenly is off the table
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 9:58:45 AM
#392
Or it's traitor. A role that exists.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 9:57:27 AM
#389
Corrik7 posted...
I don't know why you keep saying Cam has to be recruited. Not how lone wolf works.


Mafia site description for traitor disagrees with you and says it can work that way
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
Lopen
06/28/19 9:56:08 AM
#387
I'll claim. I see no real reason to hold mine back

I'm a triceratops from Jurassic Park

My thick hide makes me town bulletproof

No actually I'm just a villager. It's the coolest villager ever though. Like ever.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 9:53:48 AM
#384
Corrik7 posted...

The only way Lolo is scum is if scum purposely no killed. And intend to shoot Lolo tomorrow night and no kill again.


... what? Why is scum no killing and shooting their scummate tomorrow a better theory than scum using their kill to recruit Cam here?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 9:51:52 AM
#380
pezloco posted...
what appears to be a town/town lynch


So you agree if Lolo is scum this becomes more likely to be a scum gambit then?
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
Lopen
06/28/19 9:48:06 AM
#372
pezloco posted...
3) If Lolo is scum and Corrik is not scum, then what exactly was the motivation to NK?


Scum used their kill to recruit traitor Cam, that's why there was no kill
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 9:44:45 AM
#370
pezloco posted...
I don't think it's likely they get 2 mislynches out of this mess


I don't either. I think he thought they could

Bad scum play != town play
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 9:44:07 AM
#369
pezloco posted...
3 night protections


Btw I think even if there is another protection out there it's still just 2

Because lolo is scum, but that much should resolve itself tomorrow morning when Lolo isn't dead. The game basically solves itself at that point if we mass claim.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 9:39:45 AM
#367
What I mean about town being ahead is like, which team do you think should be more likely to make risky moves here? It should obviously be scum.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 9:38:31 AM
#366
Just because you think a player made a move that is -EV for scum should never make them town. It's that's much worse for town. Town is ahead currently.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 9:27:28 AM
#359
Cam has fakeclaimed so many times I'd like a real real claim.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 9:23:04 AM
#351
How does it not make sense?

Scum sees most of scum are obvious now
Scum needs to force mislynches to win at this point
Scum has an idea to try and force 2 mislynches for their life

It's not complicated. I would argue it's a longshot play but as town it's a longshot play too. You keep saying it's "good" town play to be arrogant and try to force your lynch. I think it's terrible town play and less terrible scum play, but either way you shouldn't always assume your target is good at mafia as a defense either.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 9:18:19 AM
#344
Pez why are you so certain Ben is lying town. There are reasons to believe he's scum even beyond this claim, you know. Like his weak pushes of lynches, bandwagons onto obvious scum fall guys, and general non-contribution to scumhunting.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
Lopen
06/28/19 2:29:11 AM
#309
He's not trying to save anyone here necessarily, just cause mislynches. If he sees that the MZero lynch exposed too many scum members, and town is already on that lead (we were), that may be their only option.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 2:25:03 AM
#305
Scum only needs three, maybe four, mislynches to win. If Ben were to do the "oh no it was insane cop!" play I said he was going to, he could secure two of those, and he had some significant suspicion today based on vote records

Seems like a damage control play more than anything
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 2:14:34 AM
#299
Like seriously

Two scum lynched already, and you got two guilty scans as a town cop? You see a potential mislynch, and you don't just claim your scans then and there? That's really really suspicious, considering you basically nailed down 4/5 or 4/6 scum with that move. Hell I'd probably just reveal em at the beginning of the day, no need to risk getting killed at night. You've basically won the game for town at that point.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 2:10:14 AM
#298
5tarscream you are the best town.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 1:00:08 AM
#271
They could also have a poisoned that held their poison till last night, and don't forget Corrik's delayed kill
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 12:54:40 AM
#268
I'll be one of the first to do so if we get any reasonable support for it.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 12:51:02 AM
#263
I actually support mass too. I think scum, if they're reading, have probably already figured out where our notable power roles are, and I think we could probably avoid a mislynch today with a mass.
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Topic^King of the Mountain^ - Save My Shapeshifter - Day 3
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06/28/19 12:44:58 AM
#79
Loki
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 12:43:07 AM
#258
pezloco posted...
He's relying on his read not on town power. It was a good calculated risk. But it was still a risk.


If you can't articulate your read well enough to convince anyone, fakeclaiming it is not a good risk. It just makes you arrogant.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 12:41:42 AM
#255
Death and Pez are option 1
Tom is not an option because that's not a good lynch
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 12:37:55 AM
#252
Well I vote for option 2 but I was trying to be objective.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 12:35:34 AM
#250
(5 is probably better. Cam self resolves in a way too if Lolo kaputs tomorrow.)
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 12:34:26 AM
#249
Alright so...

Options are.

1. Lynch a guilty scan from Ben. If Ben is faking, we don't want to do this, and it'll be self resolving, so we can just leave his two guilty scans on the table. No reason to rush these.
2. Lynch Ben. If Ben isn't faking, we don't want to do this, and the claim is self resolving. No reason to rush this.
3. Lynch Lolo. If Corrik was right with the kill explanation, he'll be dead tomorrow as one of two kills. If Corrik was wrong, we lynch Lolo tomorrow. It's probably not a great option to lynch him today. -EV, lock to lynch tomorrow if survives.
4. Lynch Cam. He had very suspicious voting yesterday and on dowolf and the theory that he got mafia recruited explaining the non-kill last night has some value. With the idea that a cop is in the game, this has no downsides! The theory of a flavor miller should be out the window as an actual cop apparently exists.
5. Lynch Lea. Also kinda suspicious with voting and the claim is clearly nonsense.

I think we should go with option 4 or 5, myself.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 12:26:35 AM
#245
I won't scan you don't worry Cam you claimed miller
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 12:24:13 AM
#243
Well I wasn't going to anyway because it would be hypocritical of me since that type of play is deplorable.

I'll wait another night and get another scan off, then claim.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 12:20:34 AM
#238
Option 3 is think I'm cop, I guess. I mean, I have very good scans.
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 12:19:21 AM
#235
Pez stop responding to scum benjamin rolefishing your information
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 12:17:32 AM
#232
Hey Pez if I counterclaimed cop would you think I was misguided town or scum

I'm just kinda weighing my options here
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TopicEnglish Literature Mafia Topic 15: Caught Red Handed
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06/28/19 12:16:28 AM
#230
Corrik already told you I was the almighty lightning rod.
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