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Drakeryn posted...

If you just want a casual hookup then you might as well go for it (I know you said you weren't into casual hookups, but, like, in theory). But if you want a serious relationship then I feel like this is a weird move regardless because when you're just talking to someone for that short an amount of time, they're basically a total stranger -- how can you know you want a relationship with them?

Well, I mean, you could possibly want a more serious relationship.

It's of course impossible to know at that moment, but after a date, you may have a better idea, or you may have just had a one and done casual hookup. But it's impossible to know ever if you don't ask for a number, given that situation, since you will likely never see this person again.

Given that situation, it's basically just someone has piqued your basest amount of curiosity enough that you would like a proper chance to interact with them in a way that isn't the hustle and bustle of the airport, and maybe go from there, maybe not. You're not asking them to move in with you for crissakes.
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Your projects are dead, sure.

But what are the projects of the rest of the Tidus mains and/or are they complaining about needing to spare a vote to save him?

It's a combination of

1. Having other things you're supporting that take so much focus that they must be called a "project"
2. Refusal to accept Tidus perhaps having issues peacefully

I think you're literally the only one of his main savers both of these statements apply to
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Well whatever. You know what I'm saying

I feel like the main Tidus person who "goes and does other projects" and has the hope that others will save Tidus is vcharon himself.
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Imagine being so bad at interacting with women that you think that simply asking them for their number is some massive burden you're placing on them.
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v_charon posted...

It kinda sucks, because I sort of resent having to save him now in a way. That feeling when other people who have Tidus as a top level fave have the ability and freedom to go off and do whatever sort of project runs they want to do, because they have confidence in me to make sure he doesn't die

See, on the flip side, to me this reads like you feel entitled to not save Tidus, and also not have him die. Which is kinda why I get irritated when you nominate all this random gutter trash into the contest, because this mindset is clearly something you have.

I used to save Sephiroth at high priority. I didn't this year, and this wasn't some sorta ploy to get barrel to save him more aggressively-- rather, I accept his low placement and move on.
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That's more in delivery and execution than anything. I doubt he had the delivery of a phone number extracting automaton and probably made a brief amount of chit chat before asking, but sure, if he did that that's creepy

Again that you're envisioning him as a drone when doing this I think says more about you but *shrug
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I don't think I am unless he asked just after patting her down or something. It's an airport, not a funeral.
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Honestly if you think asking someone for their number is creepy by default that probably reflects more on you than anything. You probably had moments where you thought about doing it, crippled by fear and anxiety, thinking "wow why would I subject a woman to this"

That's not how well adjusted people are feeling though. Asking for a number should be taken with only marginally more gravitas than yapping about the weather.

That being said, don't do it often, cause you're a professional.
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Sorry Corrik. No exceptions

If it makes you feel better I think if you remove,mercs topics from the equation I haven't made more than like 50 topics in 15 years
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100% agree on the Cam Newton thing. That was a total yeesh situation. Sucks for Cam losing the yogurt deal but I think most of society is actually on his side as far as it being an overreaction goes from actual human interaction (men and women alike) on the topic.

Though you'd never know it from media coverage cause you throw yourself under the bus if you try to play it off as more of a harmless gaffe than malicious or hurtful, like I think most people take it. Easier to just act appalled till it blows over.
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I would, but then I'd have a GameFAQs friend and that's just against policy.
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It's unprofessional, no doubt. Guy shouldn't be doing that as a regular thing. But there are plenty of unprofessional things we do at work. Posting at gamefaqs at work is unprofessional, and I'm sure 80% of the board does that at least sometimes.

That doesn't mean overreacting is suddenly okay either though. If he hasn't been fired for it yet he's probably not hitting on everything that moves, and I don't think doing it once in a great while is a big deal.

It's harmless. Just say no and be on your way if not interested. I've given girls my number at work before when they've asked and I mean like, the catch with the bar thing is you're not at a bar now and who says you ever will be. Seize the day, just don't be pushy about it.
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Related news currently at 5.25% pity pull. New record yeahhh.

If I knew I was gonna have to spend over 200 orbs to get a 5* on this dancer banner I wouldn't have bothered but at this point it's sunk cost man.
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Damn. Separation really ramps up huh. I'm at 110k and am rank 15k or so. 100k was really close to 50000 even.

Well guess I'll stop-- at least I've no risk of being bopped into the next tier down.
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Wait are you saying you need that to get into the tier beyond top 10k, or into the top 10k?
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Propaganda Minister Vlado probably wouldn't be top 10 in most incompetent government workers I've ever worked with tbh.
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I have an LG G5. It was state of the art a year ago, but I got it a couple of weeks ago.

Kinda liked the Sony Xperia Z3 better (think it's mostly cause it was on Android 6 not 7-- should look into downgrading at some point if it's doable) but it shattered cause damn that thing is brittle-- one impact through the tempered glass shield and that was curtains.
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FF6 for CT is a lateral, slight downgrade
Other two are major upgrades
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Keep in mind my entire point that got into this discussion was that alt-right people are extreme versions of an ideal that isn't completely broken-- since my whole point was that extremity is more of a problem than whether you're left or right.

I would in fact argue that if you're at the point where you can consider yourself a nationalist you're already too extreme and there's probably a better word for something that would preserve some good parts of the ideal without being totally xenophobic about it, but you know.

Point is, there are aspects of nationalism, that if taken to a much more conservative level, would not be something that would be inherently bad. I mean we already have that by controlling our borders at all, for example. I'm sure most people, even the most liberal of the liberal, think some amount of border control is a good thing.
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StealThisSheen posted...

Which means a lot of nationalists are going to be more likely to be racist than "pure."

Lopen posted...

I don't support nationalism, and I think a lot of racist people claim they support it because they're racist

Tru.
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StealThisSheen posted...

The analogy may work if you picture nationalism as a country that is somehow one individual, sure. But it doesn't work for those individuals who follow nationalism and believe in it.

That's literally what nationalism is though. A strong unity between citizen and country is one of the hallmarks of the ideal. A pure nationalist (and yes I realize most nationalists wouldn't be considered this) is treating his country with the same respect he is treating his very own home.
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What is inherently racist about it though?

Like, in pure nationalism, I could live next door to a Chinese dude, treat him with the utmost respect as a complete equal. Meanwhile, I could turn a white dude who's coming in from China away. These are things a nationalist can do and be completely consistent internally.

Because it's not about the race, it's just about where you were born-- and the more diverse the race makeup of the country, the less and less there's even a correlation.

It definitely fosters xenophobia, almost unavoidably, but that's also not necessarily something that's coming up in day to day life nearly as much. People don't wear their home countries on their sleeves. I'd imagine by the time you knew what specific country someone was from, you'd probably have overcome any inherent xenophobia stemming from nationalism.
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Kenri posted...

I don't really care what the reasons are for it if the effect is hella racist.

(Or more specifically xenophobic if you wanna split hairs.)

Sure. I respect that too in saying why nationalism ain't all that. This is however more on the mindset of people who might be nationalists, and explaining why you can be a nationalist and not be a racist.
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Well no because you are not you in this analogy either. You are the Russian Federation. And yes the Russian Federation is gonna see this dude at all times.

Now, this is kinda why Nationalism has some problems-- because I don't want the country getting all up in my business that much-- but the analogy is accurate to what the ideal of Nationalism is.
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Kenri posted...

A) judges people off where they happened to be born rather than any inherent character trait B) denies people that home-level control because now we CAN'T actually offer our home to whoever we want if the government ultimately controls who passes through borders and who doesn't.

That's still not racist in and of itself, though. There are reasons why that could matter that aren't rooted in race.

I don't support nationalism, and I think a lot of racist people claim they support it because they're racist, but it's not inherently racist.
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StealThisSheen posted...

There's a big difference between "I don't want a random dude in my house" and "I don't want a random dude in the same shopping mall as me."

Which is effectively what nationalism is on the individual level

Nah. Your house is your country in this analogy. Random dude in the shopping mall is if nationalism didn't allow dudes in neighboring countries either.
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How many times has anything not led to racism and violence? That's human nature, my dude.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

i doubt anyone says "i'm a nationalist and i just think immigration should be a bit more limited than it is now."

Who said anything about "a bit" though. I just said limiting it. But any ideal has some amount of wiggle room. You can become a citizen of Russia for crissakes. I don't think anyone would deny Russia is nationalist.

The extent of limiting it is where the discussion is, and where you'd have the varying degrees of extremity in nationalism, but to say nationalism in and of itself outright bans all immigration no ifs ands or buts is silly.
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Not really, no

You'd let your brother or mother or friend spend the night at your house no problem if they needed somewhere to rest, or maybe even lend a few hundred bucks to em. You might even let someone you only casually knew from school if they really needed a place.

You wouldn't let some random dude off the street spend the night-- regardless of his race, you'd show some basic level of caution.

That's all nationalism is. Just at the level of country rather than home. I'm not saying that it's the best way of handling things necessarily, only that as an ideology in and of itself it's not really racist at all.
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That actually makes a lot of sense to me

Vlado used to be a reasonable guy to discuss things with if you respectfully disagreed with him. Now even when I agree with an aspect of what he says while disagreeing with another, he kinda like... quotes what I'm saying and then completely ignores the point I was making and sorta regurgitates the same canned thing he originally said.

I actually totally buy that he gets some modest pay to spread some sort of message.
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Also keep in mind that nationalism, at a non extreme level, at its core boils down to limiting immigration and concern in the dealings of other countries when it's not to the benefit of the United States.

That's not a fundamentally racist or disgusting viewpoint-- there are certain benefits to be gained from that in terms of economics and security that could be weighed as a pros/cons thing, that wouldn't be rooted in race whatsoever. It's very easy to mistakenly make it about race, as certain races being more common in certain countries is just a fact that exists, but in theory it would entirely be about country of origin and not about race, as a black us citizen would have more "privilege" than a white immigrant from Ghana or whatever.

It's when taken to a more extreme level that it starts to gain a more deplorable and racist edge to it. Which, again, the extremism is the issue moreso than the nationalism.
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Keep in mind I'm specifically referencing the most extreme level. Reigned in, actual equality is obviously superior, but that's not what the most extreme level of the far left is, despite what it claims.

You watch incidents like that video, are they truly going for equality there? Saying you want to stop white privilege, flying that as your banner, while at the same time telling anyone who would have the audacity to say anything to shut up and talk over the people.

And I don't feel the far left has ever had power so I don't know what you're asking.
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Nooo SERAHHHHH
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i'll backpedal a bit - if you define "far right" as "nazis/white nationalists/white supremacists" i would disagree that they're comparable to the far left. if you also define them as something different (like just super right-wing people) you could make a comparison with far left people, sure.

I would accept that if you could direct me to a lot of incidents where a vanilla super right-wing dude is causing as much of an uproar over nothing like the dudes in that youtube are. Cause I see a lot of it out of the "super left-wing." It seems like super right-wing guys that do that tend to fall into the white supremacist boat, and those who haven't gone all the way into naziland tend to not do so much of that at all, cause they haven't been warped by extremism.

That feels like the far left just haven't developed their infrastructure enough that they felt it could be done with any regularity. What do I mean by that? Well for instance, compare the relative influence of stuff like the KKK vs how it would've been even 50, 70, 100 years ago-- society in general would condemn them a lot less. Or consider whether the KKK would have much sway at all had slavery never been a thing in the US to begin with.

I think the only reason we don't see this out of the "far left" is society doesn't allow them to at the moment. But if you allow this kinda stuff to continue to swell, I don't see it getting better. The extremism is at the core of the problem much moreso than a difference in ideology (at the most extreme level, the ideologies are very similar, just inverting the values and hating "white privilege" rather than being white supremacists).

Perhaps that's incorrect, though. Time will tell. It's just how I feel about it. It's a dangerous road and one that's upsetting to watch. And people in this topic giving the feel of playing into the "us vs them" playbook while arguing with Corrik makes me even more concerned in that regard, as believe it or not I do envision the lot of you as being significantly more grounded than snotty college students.
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He made a point. You just focused on some arbitrary aspect of it that he wasn't making a focus on because he didn't spell it out thoroughly enough, while at the same time acknowledging that probably wasn't the point he was making.

I'd call that on you, not him.
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I'm okay with any elimination on board

Not that I don't like some of these characters, but good characters gotta go sometime and dudes like Golbez had a decent run
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How are they not at least, somewhat comparable?

They're both instances of political extremism causing people to do things that are not considered acceptable in society
They're both instances of political extremism causing people to treat those who are not in their cult as beneath them

They are comparable in a decent amount of ways. The only way they're not comparable is one of the incidents was not violent.

Personally, I think the violence is not really a direct symptom of the actual politics causing this behavior and is instead caused by other factors like the individuals involved, their current social standing, etc etc, and that given a different societal climate I could easily see the far left resorting to violence as well, as I don't think the violence is inherently tied to the leftness or rightness but rather the extreme nature of everything and current state of society dictating what extremists on either side think they can and can't get away with.

You may disagree with this-- that's fine, that's something worth discussing. But I do think it's foolish to focus in so hard on what is and isn't violent is a kinda strange thing to do when the focal point Corrik had wasn't on violence but attitudes.
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My point isn't that hitting someone with a car isn't worse. Of course it is. You can point out the poorly phrased semantics of his post, but believe it or not that wasn't his point either

My point is that I think it's kinda dumb that such extreme focus was put on that aspect of his point in particular. Do you honestly think that's the point he was making, that they're literally the exact same thing? Like you either took him as saying that because

1. You wanted to target the weakest point of his argument and weren't actually interested in explaining why it was a poor post to make. Saying the guy was wrong by any means necessary was the primary objective.
2. Some part of you thinks that there's nothing wrong with the far left, or doesn't want to admit anything is wrong with them, because they're on "your team."
3. You have internally dehumanized the enemy Corrik to the point that you think he thinks vehicular manslaughter is the exact same thing as being megadouches in a college class is a reasonable interpretation of his post

I don't think any of these are a good look. Yes, it was a poor comparison to make. No, he probably wasn't trying to claim they're literally the exact same.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

Again, if ANYBODY defended the people in the video you'd have a point. But they didn't. You don't.

You don't consider "well at least they don't hit people with cars" a defense? Like the whole focus of the discussion being that they're not the same read to me like this topic was defending the video, personally. An indirect defense to be sure, but without that disclaimer of "yeah those guys are indefensible BUT" beforehand it sorta gives a bad message I think.
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So getting this straight

You don't need to assert that you are not like the video corrik posted, because they're clearly not the same
You do need to assert that hitting someone with a car is not like the video corrik posted, because they're clearly not the same

Just confirming I've read the situation correctly
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Sorta. The bigger concern to me is like, that wasn't the instinctive response.

Like if someone compares me to the far left, my first objective is to say "no I'm not like that at all you idiot" rather than trying to say "well they're not as bad as the far right so nyah!"

The fact that you're not disowning that as the first response to me says that he's closer to right on the mentality than you'll acknowledge. Like disowning that kinda mentality would probably make interactions with Corrik and sephsg and this place to be a lot more pleasant to read in general.
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I mean in some sense I can see where he's coming from just based on this incident. Like instead of saying "dude we're not at all like that" the focal point was "well who cares, those guys are better than the extremists on your side!"

It seems a lot of people have the objective to assert Corrik is wrong over all else and defend guys on "their team," which is yeah, a hallmark of far left and far right extremists, and something to be careful about.
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I'm saying like...

Making it about them not being equivalent over acknowledging that the extremists in that video suck too smells like you're trying to win an argument rather than trying to digest why he thought it might be a relevant thing to post.

Which kinda flips back to what Corrik was getting at I think-- that being the "us vs them" mentality is getting a bit high in this topic. Speaking of that mentality, I'm not part of the right. "You guys" indeed.
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My WHOLE POST is about why the extreme right and extreme left are assholes and you shouldn't be defending either one, and that it's kinda upsetting that you're trying to say "oh well, at least extremists on MY side doesn't hit people with cars"-- they're not on your side. Disown them like you disown the Nazis.
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You don't compromise with literal Nazis

You compromise with the normal right
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I believe 73% is the approximate percentage of white people in the United States as of right now. Whatever the percentage is, just substitute the correct one.

Basically I think the aggressiveness behind the message of each side are for the most part unrelated to the message itself and are based around other factors. Neither one seems inherently peaceful to me in any case. Extreme divisiveness is going to cause strife-- that's just how things are. Showing compromise is what fosters peace, and it's something neither the extreme left nor extreme right do.

You're basically comparing puke to crap and trying to say one smells better than the other here. You shouldn't be identifying with either side even if one is closer to your end of the political spectrum. You probably more closely identify with the right than the extremely far left. The fact that people are seriously trying to white knight the far left here is kinda upsetting. It should be a point of unity to say "yeah, corrik, I may not agree with you in general, but at least you're not as obnoxious as those guys in that youtube video you posted" not some argument to be won.
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Vlado gets GP along with EXP by defeating random globalists he encounters. Pretty lucrative no doubt.
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I thought the point of arena assault was "have the largest number of vaguely arena viable teams possible"

Checking the map, man, this is gonna be easy mode!
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Do you think Cult B advocating that is a symptom of them being the 73% and feeling they have the advantage in an extermination scenario or not?
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