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StealThisSheen 10/06/17 2:35:57 PM #251:	Mershaaay posted... StealThisSheen posted... Mershaaay posted... scarletspeed7 posted... Mershaaay posted... men are biologically programmed to provide for women. Yeah, okay. Tell that to the 80% of 12 million single mothers in the United States. Tell that to the laws in all 50 states that require men to pay child support How do you keep using these as some kind of pushback when you are literally arguing in support of it. Like, what's wrong with you I'm sorry the part of your brain in charge of logical deduction cannot figure out what I am saying. Is this your way of making me reconsider male biological imperatives? He came at you with a negative statement. You countered in the same way. But you can't do that when you are literally supporting what caused it. If you want to paint a room brown and he wants to paint it blue, and he goes "Just think of all the people who wish they had blue rooms," you can't then go "Just think of all the people forced to have brown rooms." That's just... Stupid. You're literally trying to argue in the "Counter this bad thing with this bad thing" way when you support what's causing the bad thing you're trying to counter with in the first place. You're trying to counter his "This inequality example is bad" with "Well, this inequality example is bad, too," but you WANT inequality. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:887930893] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mershaaay posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mershaaay posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mershaaay posted...</cite> <quote> men are biologically programmed to provide for women. </quote> Yeah, okay. Tell that to the 80% of 12 million single mothers in the United States.</quote> Tell that to the laws in all 50 states that require men to pay child support</quote> How do you keep using these as some kind of pushback when you are literally arguing in support of it. Like, what's wrong with you</quote> I'm sorry the part of your brain in charge of logical deduction cannot figure out what I am saying. Is this your way of making me reconsider male biological imperatives?</quote> He came at you with a negative statement. You countered in the same way. But you can't do that when you are literally supporting what caused it. If you want to paint a room brown and he wants to paint it blue, and he goes "Just think of all the people who wish they had blue rooms," you can't then go "Just think of all the people forced to have brown rooms." That's just... Stupid. You're literally trying to argue in the "Counter this bad thing with this bad thing" way when you support what's causing the bad thing you're trying to counter with in the first place. You're trying to counter his "This inequality example is bad" with "Well, this inequality example is bad, too," but you WANT inequality.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mershaaay 10/06/17 2:38:49 PM #252:	dowolf posted... or there's still an overriding belief that we do not leave a man behind to be tortured to death by terrorists, even if he's a deserter? also: i feel like none of us except maybe FFD get a right to judge him, since most of us have never served overseas. Serving in the military is not a prerequisite for having an opinion on foreign affairs And yes, historically, deserters do not get fucking rescued. --- SephirothG post http://i.imgur.com/Mm7r8zh.gif <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:887931065] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>dowolf posted...</cite> <quote>or there's still an overriding belief that we do not leave a man behind to be tortured to death by terrorists, even if he's a deserter? also: i feel like none of us except maybe FFD get a right to judge him, since most of us have never served overseas.</quote> Serving in the military is not a prerequisite for having an opinion on foreign affairs And yes, historically, deserters do not get fucking rescued.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/06/17 2:39:25 PM #253:	Corrik posted... SgtSphynx posted... Corrik, when you make a statement such as "this thing is as bad as this other thing," you immediately are comparing what you use as an example to the worst of the examples for "the other thing" I mean, no. You are trying to tell me what I am saying at your own discretion. When I say "this is just as bad as running people over with a car", then you are correct. You are framing it and most likely there are motives to do so in this topic because instead of actually discussing the video there is more interest in minimizing it with something else from the other side to handwave it. When you say "This thing is as bad as this other thing," you are equating it to the worst thing, yes. Nobody says "Jim is just as bad as John" and means "Jim is as bad as John when John's having a good day and not really being that bad." --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:887931115] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SgtSphynx posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik, when you make a statement such as "this thing is as bad as this other thing," you immediately are comparing what you use as an example to the worst of the examples for "the other thing"</quote> I mean, no. You are trying to tell me what I am saying at your own discretion. When I say "this is just as bad as running people over with a car", then you are correct. You are framing it and most likely there are motives to do so in this topic because instead of actually discussing the video there is more interest in minimizing it with something else from the other side to handwave it.</quote> When you say "This thing is as bad as this other thing," you are equating it to the worst thing, yes. Nobody says "Jim is just as bad as John" and means "Jim is as bad as John when John's having a good day and not really being that bad."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 10/06/17 2:47:36 PM #254:	https://twitter.com/barry_corindia/status/916150987387105280 DeVos Defends Trump: 'Would a Moron Hire Me?' https://t.co/dwc48Jn2Jz Not sure if she actually said this, but I doubt it. Regardless, the idea of her saying it is enough for a good laugh. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:887931570] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/barry_corindia/status/916150987387105280 <quote>DeVos Defends Trump: 'Would a Moron Hire Me?' https://t.co/dwc48Jn2Jz</quote> Not sure if she actually said this, but I doubt it. Regardless, the idea of her saying it is enough for a good laugh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 10/06/17 2:47:59 PM #255:	It's from a satire article. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:887931592] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>It's from a satire article.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/06/17 3:00:31 PM #256:	StealThisSheen posted... Corrik posted... SgtSphynx posted... Corrik, when you make a statement such as "this thing is as bad as this other thing," you immediately are comparing what you use as an example to the worst of the examples for "the other thing" I mean, no. You are trying to tell me what I am saying at your own discretion. When I say "this is just as bad as running people over with a car", then you are correct. You are framing it and most likely there are motives to do so in this topic because instead of actually discussing the video there is more interest in minimizing it with something else from the other side to handwave it. When you say "This thing is as bad as this other thing," you are equating it to the worst thing, yes. Nobody says "Jim is just as bad as John" and means "Jim is as bad as John when John's having a good day and not really being that bad." Well, the problem is the mindset and the "us vs them" mentality that causes the extremists to think either action is something that's acceptable. The specifics behind the action are going to vary based on the individual. There's nothing inherently far right about hitting a dude with a car. Trying to specifically make it about hitting a dude with a car vs a dumbass filibuster is just trying to win the argument for the sake of winning an argument. That's clearly not what he was getting at --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:887932242] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SgtSphynx posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik, when you make a statement such as "this thing is as bad as this other thing," you immediately are comparing what you use as an example to the worst of the examples for "the other thing"</quote> I mean, no. You are trying to tell me what I am saying at your own discretion. When I say "this is just as bad as running people over with a car", then you are correct. You are framing it and most likely there are motives to do so in this topic because instead of actually discussing the video there is more interest in minimizing it with something else from the other side to handwave it.</quote> When you say "This thing is as bad as this other thing," you are equating it to the worst thing, yes. Nobody says "Jim is just as bad as John" and means "Jim is as bad as John when John's having a good day and not really being that bad."</quote> Well, the problem is the mindset and the "us vs them" mentality that causes the extremists to think either action is something that's acceptable. The specifics behind the action are going to vary based on the individual. There's nothing inherently far right about hitting a dude with a car. Trying to specifically make it about hitting a dude with a car vs a dumbass filibuster is just trying to win the argument for the sake of winning an argument. That's clearly not what he was getting at</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peace___Frog 10/06/17 3:02:01 PM #257:	Whenever you say "as bad as," your argument inherently relies on the worst of each of your comparison points. --- ~Peaf~ <cite>Peace___Frog posted [p:887932320] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>Whenever you say "as bad as," your argument inherently relies on the worst of each of your comparison points.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/06/17 3:03:39 PM #258:	You shouldn't be taking this so defensively to begin with unless you actually think that youtube video was particularly acceptable behavior. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:887932414] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>You shouldn't be taking this so defensively to begin with unless you actually think that youtube video was particularly acceptable behavior.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/06/17 3:05:07 PM #259:	Lopen posted... StealThisSheen posted... Corrik posted... SgtSphynx posted... Corrik, when you make a statement such as "this thing is as bad as this other thing," you immediately are comparing what you use as an example to the worst of the examples for "the other thing" I mean, no. You are trying to tell me what I am saying at your own discretion. When I say "this is just as bad as running people over with a car", then you are correct. You are framing it and most likely there are motives to do so in this topic because instead of actually discussing the video there is more interest in minimizing it with something else from the other side to handwave it. When you say "This thing is as bad as this other thing," you are equating it to the worst thing, yes. Nobody says "Jim is just as bad as John" and means "Jim is as bad as John when John's having a good day and not really being that bad." Well, the problem is the mindset and the "us vs them" mentality that causes the extremists to think either action is something that's acceptable. The specifics behind the action are going to vary based on the individual. There's nothing inherently far right about hitting a dude with a car. Trying to specifically make it about hitting a dude with a car vs a dumbass filibuster is just trying to win the argument for the sake of winning an argument. That's clearly not what he was getting at "Both are a problem" is a different argument than "X is just as bad as Y." The latter is an attempt to either make something seem less bad, or imply something else is of that same level, in an attempt to make whatever side you're supporting not stand out so much as "This is bad." Neither are acceptable, yes, that is true. But to go "X is just as bad as Y" is an attempt to try to absolve one side a bit. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:887932489] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Corrik posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SgtSphynx posted...</cite> <quote>Corrik, when you make a statement such as "this thing is as bad as this other thing," you immediately are comparing what you use as an example to the worst of the examples for "the other thing"</quote> I mean, no. You are trying to tell me what I am saying at your own discretion. When I say "this is just as bad as running people over with a car", then you are correct. You are framing it and most likely there are motives to do so in this topic because instead of actually discussing the video there is more interest in minimizing it with something else from the other side to handwave it.</quote> When you say "This thing is as bad as this other thing," you are equating it to the worst thing, yes. Nobody says "Jim is just as bad as John" and means "Jim is as bad as John when John's having a good day and not really being that bad."</quote> Well, the problem is the mindset and the "us vs them" mentality that causes the extremists to think either action is something that's acceptable. The specifics behind the action are going to vary based on the individual. There's nothing inherently far right about hitting a dude with a car. Trying to specifically make it about hitting a dude with a car vs a dumbass filibuster is just trying to win the argument for the sake of winning an argument. That's clearly not what he was getting at</quote> "Both are a problem" is a different argument than "X is just as bad as Y." The latter is an attempt to either make something seem less bad, or imply something else is of that same level, in an attempt to make whatever side you're supporting not stand out so much as "This is bad." Neither are acceptable, yes, that is true. But to go "X is just as bad as Y" is an attempt to try to absolve one side a bit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/06/17 3:08:53 PM #260:	On the political spectrum I would say they're equally as bad. It's just one is executing their warped politics through pseudo-intellectualism and one is executing by being a dumb hick. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:887932705] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>On the political spectrum I would say they're equally as bad. It's just one is executing their warped politics through pseudo-intellectualism and one is executing by being a dumb hick.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ashethan 10/06/17 3:08:59 PM #261:	Lopen posted... You shouldn't be taking this so defensively to begin with unless you actually think that youtube video was particularly acceptable behavior. The problem is the "Both sides" narrative. --- Growing up, I wish some teacher told me "You probably won't ever need this, but if you don't learn it, you might miss out on something really cool." <cite>Ashethan posted [p:887932709] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>You shouldn't be taking this so defensively to begin with unless you actually think that youtube video was particularly acceptable behavior. </quote> The problem is the "Both sides" narrative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CelesMyUserName 10/06/17 3:10:51 PM #262:	Lopen posted... On the political spectrum I would say they're equally as bad. It's just one is executing their warped politics through pseudo-intellectualism and one is executing by being a dumb hick. ... alt-right isn't dumb hicks, they're gamer nerds the conservative redneck is what they're "alt" to, they thrive on online communities like reddit and 4chan --- http://i.imgur.com/U7qSWmn.jpg something something hung something horse something <cite>CelesMyUserName posted [p:887932803] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>On the political spectrum I would say they're equally as bad. It's just one is executing their warped politics through pseudo-intellectualism and one is executing by being a dumb hick.</quote> ... alt-right isn't dumb hicks, they're gamer nerds the conservative redneck is what they're "alt" to, they thrive on online communities like reddit and 4chan</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenri 10/06/17 3:12:26 PM #263:	Lopen posted... On the political spectrum I would say they're equally as bad. What does this even mean? The political spectrum doesn't judge badness. --- Congrats to BKSheikah, who knows more about years than anyone else. <cite>Kenri posted [p:887932898] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>On the political spectrum I would say they're equally as bad.</quote> What does this even mean? The political spectrum doesn't judge badness.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/06/17 3:13:54 PM #264:	Mershaaay posted... In other news, remember when Obama freed terrorists and put soldiers in harm's way for this scumbag? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/06/bowe-bergdahl-expected-to-plead-guilty-to-deserting-his-post-ap.html oh yeah let me read this fox news article. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:887932973] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mershaaay posted...</cite> <quote>In other news, remember when Obama freed terrorists and put soldiers in harm's way for this scumbag? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/06/bowe-bergdahl-expected-to-plead-guilty-to-deserting-his-post-ap.html</quote> oh yeah let me read this fox news article.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nelson_Mandela 10/06/17 3:17:38 PM #265:	Mr Lasastryke posted... Mershaaay posted... In other news, remember when Obama freed terrorists and put soldiers in harm's way for this scumbag? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/06/bowe-bergdahl-expected-to-plead-guilty-to-deserting-his-post-ap.html oh yeah let me read this fox news article. Are you seriously so brainwashed as to think Fox news editorializes simple fact based stories that are disseminated the exact same way across all news outlets? http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/apnewsbreak-bergdahl-expected-plead-guilty-avoid-trial-50325246 --- "Seph's kind of right."~ Jakyl25 <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted [p:887933155] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mershaaay posted...</cite> <quote>In other news, remember when Obama freed terrorists and put soldiers in harm's way for this scumbag? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/06/bowe-bergdahl-expected-to-plead-guilty-to-deserting-his-post-ap.html</quote> oh yeah let me read this fox news article.</quote> Are you seriously so brainwashed as to think Fox news editorializes simple fact based stories that are disseminated the exact same way across all news outlets? http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/apnewsbreak-bergdahl-expected-plead-guilty-avoid-trial-50325246</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/06/17 3:18:54 PM #266:	It really doesn't matter what they are. I see "someone hits someone with a car" and I assume a hick. Call that a stereotype, I acknowledge that it is, but whatever. I'm just saying unless you're arguing there's something specifically alt-right that encourages hitting people with cars, it's kinda not relevant to the politics. It might be relevant to the people who tend to subscribe to it, but the core of the issue is the extreme divisiveness that the political spectrum fosters tends to drive both sides to things that should not be considered acceptable in society by any stretch. Basically I think the wrong correlations are being drawn between what causes someone to hit someone with a car. You're making it a political thing but I think the politics are just the things removing the inhibition and fostering the hatred there. The action in and of itself isn't really political --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:887933224] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>It really doesn't matter what they are. I see "someone hits someone with a car" and I assume a hick. Call that a stereotype, I acknowledge that it is, but whatever. I'm just saying unless you're arguing there's something specifically alt-right that encourages hitting people with cars, it's kinda not relevant to the politics. It might be relevant to the people who tend to subscribe to it, but the core of the issue is the extreme divisiveness that the political spectrum fosters tends to drive both sides to things that should not be considered acceptable in society by any stretch. Basically I think the wrong correlations are being drawn between what causes someone to hit someone with a car. You're making it a political thing but I think the politics are just the things removing the inhibition and fostering the hatred there. The action in and of itself isn't really political</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 10/06/17 3:20:45 PM #267:	Lopen posted... I see "someone hits someone with a car" and I assume a hick. I see "someone hits someone with a car" and I think Justin Bieber. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:887933345] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>I see "someone hits someone with a car" and I assume a hick.</quote> I see "someone hits someone with a car" and I think Justin Bieber.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 10/06/17 3:21:25 PM #268:	are. I see "someone hits someone with a car" and I assume a hick. Call that a stereotype, I acknowledge that it is, but whatever. wait, there's a stereotype that people who hit people with cars are rednecks? Or is the stereotype that hicks are always running people over? this is very new to me --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:887933383] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><quote>are. I see "someone hits someone with a car" and I assume a hick. Call that a stereotype, I acknowledge that it is, but whatever. </quote> wait, there's a stereotype that people who hit people with cars are rednecks? Or is the stereotype that hicks are always running people over? this is very new to me</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/06/17 3:33:02 PM #269:	I don't know if there is It's pretty irrelevant to my overall point though. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:887934044] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>I don't know if there is It's pretty irrelevant to my overall point though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/06/17 3:34:09 PM #270:	Nelson_Mandela posted... Are you seriously so brainwashed as to think Fox news editorializes simple fact based stories that are disseminated the exact same way across all news outlets? i don't go to fox news. just like i don't go to infowars. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:887934115] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Are you seriously so brainwashed as to think Fox news editorializes simple fact based stories that are disseminated the exact same way across all news outlets?</quote> i don't go to fox news. just like i don't go to infowars.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/06/17 3:44:04 PM #271:	Lopen posted... It really doesn't matter what they are. I see "someone hits someone with a car" and I assume a hick. Call that a stereotype, I acknowledge that it is, but whatever. I'm just saying unless you're arguing there's something specifically alt-right that encourages hitting people with cars, it's kinda not relevant to the politics. It might be relevant to the people who tend to subscribe to it, but the core of the issue is the extreme divisiveness that the political spectrum fosters tends to drive both sides to things that should not be considered acceptable in society by any stretch. Basically I think the wrong correlations are being drawn between what causes someone to hit someone with a car. You're making it a political thing but I think the politics are just the things removing the inhibition and fostering the hatred there. The action in and of itself isn't really political What do you consider the politics of the alt-right and alt-left? Because I'm having a hard time thinking "White supremacy" in itself, even without attributing the people/actions to it, isn't worse than whatever the other side is. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:887934615] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>It really doesn't matter what they are. I see "someone hits someone with a car" and I assume a hick. Call that a stereotype, I acknowledge that it is, but whatever. I'm just saying unless you're arguing there's something specifically alt-right that encourages hitting people with cars, it's kinda not relevant to the politics. It might be relevant to the people who tend to subscribe to it, but the core of the issue is the extreme divisiveness that the political spectrum fosters tends to drive both sides to things that should not be considered acceptable in society by any stretch. Basically I think the wrong correlations are being drawn between what causes someone to hit someone with a car. You're making it a political thing but I think the politics are just the things removing the inhibition and fostering the hatred there. The action in and of itself isn't really political</quote> What do you consider the politics of the alt-right and alt-left? Because I'm having a hard time thinking "White supremacy" in itself, even without attributing the people/actions to it, isn't worse than whatever the other side is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/06/17 3:46:51 PM #272:	i hate that people now use the term "alt-left" as if it's a legitimate thing and not a stupid term trump pulled out of his ass. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:887934752] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>i hate that people now use the term "alt-left" as if it's a legitimate thing and not a stupid term trump pulled out of his ass.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/06/17 3:49:46 PM #273:	Lopen posted... I'm just saying unless you're arguing there's something specifically alt-right that encourages hitting people with cars, it's kinda not relevant to the politics. Do all the memes they made before about running over protesters who get in their way count? Do the articles they wrote before about the ethics of driving through protesters who impede your path that were promptly deleted after Charlottesville count? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:887934921] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>I'm just saying unless you're arguing there's something specifically alt-right that encourages hitting people with cars, it's kinda not relevant to the politics. </quote> Do all the memes they made before about running over protesters who get in their way count? Do the articles they wrote before about the ethics of driving through protesters who impede your path that were promptly deleted after Charlottesville count?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/06/17 3:50:36 PM #274:	Mr Lasastryke posted... i hate that people now use the term "alt-left" as if it's a legitimate thing and not a stupid term trump pulled out of his ass. To be fair, there needs to be some kind of term for the crazies that take things too far, even if it's unofficial. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:887934968] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote>i hate that people now use the term "alt-left" as if it's a legitimate thing and not a stupid term trump pulled out of his ass.</quote> To be fair, there needs to be some kind of term for the crazies that take things too far, even if it's unofficial.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/06/17 3:52:59 PM #275:	StealThisSheen posted... To be fair, there needs to be some kind of term for the crazies that take things too far, even if it's unofficial. ...why? can't we just call them "crazy people"? --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:887935114] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, there needs to be some kind of term for the crazies that take things too far, even if it's unofficial.</quote> ...why? can't we just call them "crazy people"?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/06/17 3:53:37 PM #276:	There kind of already. Black Flag Antifa. They're the subset of Antifa that preaches violent counterprotest. Unless you mean "go too far" like the people in Corrik's video then lol --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:887935148] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>There kind of already. Black Flag Antifa. They're the subset of Antifa that preaches violent counterprotest. Unless you mean "go too far" like the people in Corrik's video then lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 10/06/17 3:53:43 PM #277:	i thought the term for left crazies was antifa --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:887935156] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>i thought the term for left crazies was antifa</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/06/17 3:57:40 PM #278:	Mr Lasastryke posted... StealThisSheen posted... To be fair, there needs to be some kind of term for the crazies that take things too far, even if it's unofficial. ...why? can't we just call them "crazy people"? Because it doesn't seem fair to lump in the crazies on the right and go "They're alt-right, which is still right" but then handwave crazies on the left as "They're just crazy, they don't represent us." --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:887935375] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>To be fair, there needs to be some kind of term for the crazies that take things too far, even if it's unofficial.</quote> ...why? can't we just call them "crazy people"?</quote> Because it doesn't seem fair to lump in the crazies on the right and go "They're alt-right, which is still right" but then handwave crazies on the left as "They're just crazy, they don't represent us."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mershaaay 10/06/17 3:57:46 PM #279:	Mr Lasastryke posted... Nelson_Mandela posted... Are you seriously so brainwashed as to think Fox news editorializes simple fact based stories that are disseminated the exact same way across all news outlets? i don't go to fox news. just like i don't go to infowars. so yes --- SephirothG post http://i.imgur.com/Mm7r8zh.gif <cite>Mershaaay posted [p:887935383] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Lasastryke posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote>Are you seriously so brainwashed as to think Fox news editorializes simple fact based stories that are disseminated the exact same way across all news outlets?</quote> i don't go to fox news. just like i don't go to infowars.</quote> so yes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/06/17 3:58:23 PM #280:	Not all Antifa! It's like how peaceful Muslim ideologies get lumped in with Wahhabism --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:887935422] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>Not all Antifa! It's like how peaceful Muslim ideologies get lumped in with Wahhabism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/06/17 3:59:27 PM #281:	StealThisSheen posted... Because it doesn't seem fair to lump in the crazies on the right and go "They're alt-right, which is still right" but then handwave crazies on the left as "They're just crazy, they don't represent us." Alt-right named themselves though --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:887935473] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>Because it doesn't seem fair to lump in the crazies on the right and go "They're alt-right, which is still right" but then handwave crazies on the left as "They're just crazy, they don't represent us."</quote> Alt-right named themselves though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/06/17 4:00:09 PM #282:	StealThisSheen posted... Because it doesn't seem fair to lump in the crazies on the right and go "They're alt-right, which is still right" but then handwave crazies on the left as "They're just crazy, they don't represent us." alt-right people THEMSELVES insist on being called alt-right. nobody self-identifies as "alt-left." i never said we should deny that crazy antifa people are leftists but that doesn't mean we should call them "alt-left." just call them... crazy leftist people. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:887935506] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>Because it doesn't seem fair to lump in the crazies on the right and go "They're alt-right, which is still right" but then handwave crazies on the left as "They're just crazy, they don't represent us."</quote> alt-right people THEMSELVES insist on being called alt-right. nobody self-identifies as "alt-left." i never said we should deny that crazy antifa people are leftists but that doesn't mean we should call them "alt-left." just call them... crazy leftist people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 10/06/17 4:00:34 PM #283:	Mershaaay posted... so yes nope --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:887935531] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mershaaay posted...</cite> <quote>so yes</quote> nope</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 10/06/17 4:01:38 PM #284:	Jakyl25 posted... StealThisSheen posted... Because it doesn't seem fair to lump in the crazies on the right and go "They're alt-right, which is still right" but then handwave crazies on the left as "They're just crazy, they don't represent us." Alt-right named themselves though Right, but they still get lumped in with the right overall. While it may not be the case here, the issue in general with stuff like "alt-left" on the internet seems to be any connection to the "left" at all. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:887935586] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote>Because it doesn't seem fair to lump in the crazies on the right and go "They're alt-right, which is still right" but then handwave crazies on the left as "They're just crazy, they don't represent us."</quote> Alt-right named themselves though</quote> Right, but they still get lumped in with the right overall. While it may not be the case here, the issue in general with stuff like "alt-left" on the internet seems to be any connection to the "left" at all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 10/06/17 4:03:25 PM #285:	There is no alt-left. It's literally not a thing. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:887935674] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>There is no alt-left. It's literally not a thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 10/06/17 4:03:34 PM #286:	I'm in a weird position where I'm rooting for Tillerson to not be fired. I thought he was woefully inadequate in his experience to have been appointed initially, but I've thought he's done a fairly good job with what he can do, and he has clearly been one of the more moderate voices in the administration. Plus whoever Trump replaces him with will undoubtedly be worse. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:887935680] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>I'm in a weird position where I'm rooting for Tillerson to not be fired. I thought he was woefully inadequate in his experience to have been appointed initially, but I've thought he's done a fairly good job with what he can do, and he has clearly been one of the more moderate voices in the administration. Plus whoever Trump replaces him with will undoubtedly be worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/06/17 4:03:41 PM #287:	I'm not so sure they get lumped in with the right. They have many overlapping positions but also some very significant differences, even beyond the desire for America to be a white ethnostate --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:887935688] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>I'm not so sure they get lumped in with the right. They have many overlapping positions but also some very significant differences, even beyond the desire for America to be a white ethnostate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 10/06/17 4:03:42 PM #288:	I'm alt-center. --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:887935689] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>I'm alt-center.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/06/17 4:05:38 PM #289:	Based on these two specific incidents, I consider the extreme on both ends to be white supremacy vs white inferiority, which sorta depends on which side you're on and whether you have a thing for the underdog or whatever else. In the US in particular you're weighing 73% ruling over 27% or the reverse. They're both terrible viewpoints and should be treated as such. Like basically to me it's like, boiled down to its most basic measure, you have two cults Cult A says suppress the voice of the non-believers by any means necessary Cult B says suppress the voice of the non-believers by any means necessary Cult A has a group of members that wander into peaceful proceedings, held by someone they have fingered out as a non-believer, and make a fuss where none should be made. Cult B has a dude who hits a non-believer with a car. If the dude from Cult B was in Cult A, he'd still be hitting people with cars-- that's the dude's interpretation of the command, specifically. Whether Cult B tends to draw more people who tend to find hitting people with cars to be a superior way of suppression is another thing, but I don't think it's specific to the message of the cult. Now if you're gonna say Cult A is closer to the right message, well great, but it's not horseshoes-- the execution on either end making it so extremely "us vs them" is gonna warp the message to something not useful. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:887935809] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>Based on these two specific incidents, I consider the extreme on both ends to be white supremacy vs white inferiority, which sorta depends on which side you're on and whether you have a thing for the underdog or whatever else. In the US in particular you're weighing 73% ruling over 27% or the reverse. They're both terrible viewpoints and should be treated as such. Like basically to me it's like, boiled down to its most basic measure, you have two cults Cult A says suppress the voice of the non-believers by any means necessary Cult B says suppress the voice of the non-believers by any means necessary Cult A has a group of members that wander into peaceful proceedings, held by someone they have fingered out as a non-believer, and make a fuss where none should be made. Cult B has a dude who hits a non-believer with a car. If the dude from Cult B was in Cult A, he'd still be hitting people with cars-- that's the dude's interpretation of the command, specifically. Whether Cult B tends to draw more people who tend to find hitting people with cars to be a superior way of suppression is another thing, but I don't think it's specific to the message of the cult. Now if you're gonna say Cult A is closer to the right message, well great, but it's not horseshoes-- the execution on either end making it so extremely "us vs them" is gonna warp the message to something not useful.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/06/17 4:12:06 PM #290:	Suprak the Stud posted... I'm in a weird position where I'm rooting for Tillerson to not be fired. I thought he was woefully inadequate in his experience to have been appointed initially, but I've thought he's done a fairly good job with what he can do, and he has clearly been one of the more moderate voices in the administration. Plus whoever Trump replaces him with will undoubtedly be worse. Names I've seen floated have been Nicky Haley and Mike Pompeo (Axios had a story today or yesterday about the latter), both of whom seem pretty unqualified to be SoS. --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:887936167] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Suprak the Stud posted...</cite> <quote>I'm in a weird position where I'm rooting for Tillerson to not be fired. I thought he was woefully inadequate in his experience to have been appointed initially, but I've thought he's done a fairly good job with what he can do, and he has clearly been one of the more moderate voices in the administration. Plus whoever Trump replaces him with will undoubtedly be worse.</quote> Names I've seen floated have been Nicky Haley and Mike Pompeo (Axios had a story today or yesterday about the latter), both of whom seem pretty unqualified to be SoS.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lordloki12 10/06/17 4:12:23 PM #291:	Are you just making this up as you go along? --- [ 1 ] [ 10 ] [ 7 ] [ 12 ] [ 9 ] [ 19 ] [ 5 ] <cite>lordloki12 posted [p:887936181] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>Are you just making this up as you go along?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 10/06/17 4:13:24 PM #292:	Haley has been alright as UN ambassador. At the very least, she's more qualified than Rex. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:887936227] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>Haley has been alright as UN ambassador. At the very least, she's more qualified than Rex.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/06/17 4:14:09 PM #293:	Cult B advocates the extermination of undesirables if they don't comply --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:887936268] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>Cult B advocates the extermination of undesirables if they don't comply</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 10/06/17 4:17:21 PM #294:	The Mana Sword posted... Haley has been alright as UN ambassador. At the very least, she's more qualified than Rex. That was literally her first job in foreign policy and SoS is the most important FoPo job. I do think she's generally competent and sane. But yeah Rex was also unqualified (though I have been somewhat convinced that leading Exxon is relevant (but insufficient) experience). --- Congrats to BKSheikah for winning the BYIG Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:887936428] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>The Mana Sword posted...</cite> <quote>Haley has been alright as UN ambassador. At the very least, she's more qualified than Rex.</quote> That was literally her first job in foreign policy and SoS is the most important FoPo job. I do think she's generally competent and sane. But yeah Rex was also unqualified (though I have been somewhat convinced that leading Exxon is relevant (but insufficient) experience).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/06/17 4:18:58 PM #295:	And it's not like Heather Heyer was the first victim of the alt-right either. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:887936516] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>And it's not like Heather Heyer was the first victim of the alt-right either.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/06/17 4:19:01 PM #296:	Do you think Cult B advocating that is a symptom of them being the 73% and feeling they have the advantage in an extermination scenario or not? --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:887936520] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>Do you think Cult B advocating that is a symptom of them being the 73% and feeling they have the advantage in an extermination scenario or not?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/06/17 4:26:03 PM #297:	Lopen posted... Do you think Cult B advocating that is a symptom of them being the 73% and feeling they have the advantage in an extermination scenario or not? I'm not entirely sure what you're asking or where 73% comes from --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:887936864] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote>Do you think Cult B advocating that is a symptom of them being the 73% and feeling they have the advantage in an extermination scenario or not?</quote> I'm not entirely sure what you're asking or where 73% comes from</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 10/06/17 4:30:45 PM #298:	CNN headline on Tillerson "Headed for 'Rexit?'" This is gonna get as bad as "-gate" isn't it --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:887937120] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>CNN headline on Tillerson "Headed for 'Rexit?'" This is gonna get as bad as "-gate" isn't it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Mana Sword 10/06/17 4:34:53 PM #299:	Jakyl25 posted... CNN headline on Tillerson "Headed for 'Rexit?'" This is gonna get as bad as "-gate" isn't it get ready for brexitgate --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/Gylgamesh501.png <cite>The Mana Sword posted [p:887937360] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>CNN headline on Tillerson "Headed for 'Rexit?'" This is gonna get as bad as "-gate" isn't it</quote> get ready for brexitgate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 10/06/17 4:35:15 PM #300:	I believe 73% is the approximate percentage of white people in the United States as of right now. Whatever the percentage is, just substitute the correct one. Basically I think the aggressiveness behind the message of each side are for the most part unrelated to the message itself and are based around other factors. Neither one seems inherently peaceful to me in any case. Extreme divisiveness is going to cause strife-- that's just how things are. Showing compromise is what fosters peace, and it's something neither the extreme left nor extreme right do. You're basically comparing puke to crap and trying to say one smells better than the other here. You shouldn't be identifying with either side even if one is closer to your end of the political spectrum. You probably more closely identify with the right than the extremely far left. The fact that people are seriously trying to white knight the far left here is kinda upsetting. It should be a point of unity to say "yeah, corrik, I may not agree with you in general, but at least you're not as obnoxious as those guys in that youtube video you posted" not some argument to be won. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:887937383] in Politics C... [t:75841660]...</cite> <quote>I believe 73% is the approximate percentage of white people in the United States as of right now. Whatever the percentage is, just substitute the correct one. Basically I think the aggressiveness behind the message of each side are for the most part unrelated to the message itself and are based around other factors. Neither one seems inherently peaceful to me in any case. Extreme divisiveness is going to cause strife-- that's just how things are. Showing compromise is what fosters peace, and it's something neither the extreme left nor extreme right do. You're basically comparing puke to crap and trying to say one smells better than the other here. You shouldn't be identifying with either side even if one is closer to your end of the political spectrum. You probably more closely identify with the right than the extremely far left. The fact that people are seriously trying to white knight the far left here is kinda upsetting. It should be a point of unity to say "yeah, corrik, I may not agree with you in general, but at least you're not as obnoxious as those guys in that youtube video you posted" not some argument to be won.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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