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Ivynn posted...

What did I miss for not getting to the library in time other than the knights. I feel kinda bad but I'm not doing the siege again.

I didn't think you could permanently miss the storyteller. Did you go to the library after the siege?

HairyQueen posted...

I didn't think you could permanently miss the storyteller. Did you go to the library after the siege?

Yeah, the storyteller survived the demon attack.

IIRC you miss out on them helping out during the final assault in act 1. I believe they give you a long haste buff during the mission which comes handy.

HannibalBarca3 posted...

IIRC you miss out on them helping out during the final assault in act 1. I believe they give you a long haste buff during the mission which comes handy.

Oh. That sucks. I don't have any haste buffs myself yet. Oh well.

Will the game let me know when the final assault is ready? There's still some quests with the red hourglass I need to complete.

You miss the entire Trickster mythic path, one or two things in Act 2, and a much easier time making one of the choices in the secret ending.

The siege happens ~3 days after you get started, so if you have a save from before you can beeline there, save him, then talk to Irabeth to trigger your assault early and skip the siege entirely.

There are a few things you can skip (Irabeth's house, Pitaxian Cellar, one other that's escaping me right now), but a couple you absolutely should not (Count Arendae, finding the three Desnans, Horgus, Woljif).

DrizztLink posted...

You miss the entire Trickster mythic path, one or two things in Act 2, and a much easier time making one of the choices in the secret ending.

The siege happens ~3 days after you get started, so if you have a save from before you can beeline there, save him, then talk to Irabeth to trigger your assault early and skip the siege entirely.

There are a few things you can skip (Irabeth's house, Pitaxian Cellar, one other that's escaping me right now), but a couple you absolutely should not (Count Arendae, finding the three Desnans, Horgus, Woljif).

Well...shit. That all sounds important.

I don't how long before the siege my earliest save is.

Do I...do I start over? :(

I wouldn't worry too much about it. I doubt you'll go for the secret ending for the first run. Trickster mythic path is mechanically one of the better mythic paths, not as strong as merged angel, this one can solo the entire game even on hard, or lich but the story is rather weak.

Yea you're not gonna get the secret ending the first playthrough, and probably not at all without following a guide. Also Trickster would be a bad pick for a first playthrough anyway IMO. It's like choosing Malkavian for a first playthrough through VTM:B.

HannibalBarca3 posted...

IIRC you miss out on them helping out during the final assault in act 1. I believe they give you a long haste buff during the mission which comes handy.

The haste buff is insanely helpful for this mission

I got the secret ending for Kingmaker entirely by accident but I'd be astounded if someone pulled that off for this one.

It's honestly not that big, just remember for next time that you need to beeline through Kenabres in order to unlock Trickster.

Ivynn posted...

Well...shit. That all sounds important.

I don't how long before the siege my earliest save is.

Do I...do I start over? :(

As I already said:

There are so many paths out there, you can't do them all anyways.

You are currently a lawful good, dragonblooded Aasimar Sorcerer, right?

Trickster is basically the definition of chaotic neutral Harlekin for the lulz.

If you locked yourself out of Trickster or Lich, don't worry, you probably would not have picked them anyways.

In my first playthrough I missed a lot too, simply because I sticked so much in character that I even said "fuck you" to such an inhonorable thief like Wolfjif.

Karovorak posted...

You are currently a lawful good, dragonblooded Aasimar Sorcerer, right?

Yeah, tho I have picked some Chaotic choices. I intended to be Neutral but I haven't chosen many Neutral dialogue options. To be clear, the neutral options are the ones that aren't marked as anything, right? (Good, Lawful, Evil, etc.)

Yeah, I probably wouldn't have picked Trickster anyway so I suppose it's no big loss.

Karovorak posted...

In my first playthrough I missed a lot too, simply because I sticked so much in character that I even said "fuck you" to such an inhonorable thief like Wolfjif.

Speaking of Woljif, I did his quest and am unsure what happened. So he was the traitor after all and I condemned an innocent thief (oxymoron?) to being tortured and killed? >_>

I've finished all the red hourglass quests except for storming the Gray Garrison which ends Act 1 if I'm understanding right. Are there any quests I should do before I do that or can the rest wait? I did all the Errands and two of the companion quests so far.

Ivynn posted...

Yeah, tho I have picked some Chaotic choices. I intended to be Neutral but I haven't chosen many Neutral dialogue options. To be clear, the neutral options are the ones that aren't marked as anything, right? (Good, Lawful, Evil, etc.)

Yeah, I probably wouldn't have picked Trickster anyway so I suppose it's no big loss.

There are technically no "neutral" options, as in moving your alignment towards neutral.

If fully lawful is 100, and fully chaotic is 0, then neutral would be 50. So, 0-33 is chaotic, 34-66 is neutral, 67-100 is lawful, and each lawful/chaotic options changes your score.

If you don't select any lawful/chaotic option, you will always stay as lawful as you are right now.

So, being neutral is more about mixing chaotic and lawful equally, at least in terms of gameplay mechanics.

Same with good/evil.

Don't overvalue these alignment descriptors of the dialogoptions. Executing traitors may be lawful, but it may conflict with your concept of good, so just select what feels right for your character.

Speaking of Woljif, I did his quest and am unsure what happened. So he was the traitor after all and I condemned an innocent thief (oxymoron?) to being tortured and killed? >_>

Not exactly.

There was someone who betrayed them, in form of calling the guards on them, getting them caught in the first place.

Woljif just get away with the loot.

EDIT: inb4 I remembered it completly wrong. It's already been quite some time.

I've finished all the red hourglass quests except for storming the Gray Garrison which ends Act 1 if I'm understanding right. Are there any quests I should do before I do that or can the rest wait? I did all the Errands and two of the companion quests so far.

I think you should be fine.

Woljif did take the amulet but one of them was a cultist and if you picked right he openly admits it.

Karovorak posted...

No.

Overlord is seen as overrated by many, but it's obviously referencing D&D systems a lot, and when it does, it does it right.

I went and checked my buff list for my 18th level Pathfinder character. Here it is. Bear in mind, these are only the long duration or infinitely re-applicable ones, before getting into ones he might apply or be given that last only rounds or minutes per level... So in any given battle, the number of buff spells would be even more than this.

Buffs assumed: Contingency (Heal if damage taken exceeds current hp), Terrain Bond, Greater Magic Weapon x2, Gyre Denier, Magic Vestment, Mass Resist Energy (Fire) (E), Resist Energy (Cold and Lightning), Barkskin (E), Listening Lorecall (E), Tremorsense, Embrace the Wild, Healing Lorecall (E), Prestidigitation

The (E) denotes Extend Spell has been applied (2x the duration).
"Gyre Denier" was a custom spell we developed to specifically hard-counter the spell Reciprocal Gyre, which does 1d12 damage per spell level of every spell currently affecting you. IE, guaranteed death if someone ever used it on us. :)
Buffs were so important and handed out like candy that an obscure spell like that legitimately scared us enough to research a counter for it, lol

After 36 hours of playing, I think I finally got the hang of this. Buff this, buff that, buff all the things before entering a battle! I feel like I need more buffs tho. I don't think I have enough.

I've switched to real time combat which makes the fights go by quicker.

I think I'm done cleaning up the map. Visited all locations and claimed all the treasures. Now it's time to storm the garrison.

Ivynn posted...

After 36 hours of playing, I think I finally got the hang of this.

Haha look at stupid past me.

I got my ass kicked so I took a break, fell asleep and now I'm up and can't go back to sleep. Might as well try for round 2.

Ivynn posted...

I've switched to real time combat which makes the fights go by quicker.

It's way faster, yeah.

The main thing I like about turn based is it makes me use skills I forget about in real time.

Like Smite Evil/Chaos, which I definitely should not be forgetting.

Ivynn posted...

After 36 hours of playing, I think I finally got the hang of this.

I've switched to real time combat which makes the fights go by quicker.

Lets see how long you will stick with real time combat.

It's not like that the fights are going to be harder over time, but you will have to manage more and more abilities with every level up.

Karovorak posted...

Lets see how long you will stick with real time combat.

It's not like that the fights are going to be harder over time, but you will have to manage more and more abilities with every level up.

Yeah, I used real time for trash mobs and regular fights. I'll switch to turn based for Boss fights or if I get wiped.

Karovorak posted...

Lets see how long you will stick with real time combat.

I've been using since the siege.

I did it the first time turn based and it took an hour and a half. Second attempt was real time and it was over in like 15 minutes. >_>

Anyway, with storming the Gray Garrison, I'm really feeling the lack of knights. I saw YT vid of someone going through it and the Knights give haste and cast fireballs. That would have been useful. Oh well.

Silly question, but is it bad if I rest too much? >_>

Not at the moment, abuse it because the corruption system will come online in the next act to prevent you from resting too much.

I think corruption still hits you in Kenabres, there's a whole conversation about it with that guy who worships Agrippa.

HannibalBarca3 posted...

Not at the moment, abuse it because the corruption system will come online in the next act to prevent you from resting too much.

I just find it funny that I'm taking a nap while the Iribeth and the soldiers are still fighting the demons. probably thinking, "what's taking them so long?"

Every time Camellia screams "The world in crimson!" I chuckle and also get a little scared.

Yeah, I'm still in the Gray Garrison. Haven't had as much time to play and the dungeon is so big and I'm afraid of missing anything so I always give the rooms a twice over and also get stuck in places like where I am right now, where is the goddamn key to this door I looked everywhere!

If you're where I think you are, look next door for a bell on a pillar in the middle of the room.

FINALLY finished with the Gray Garrison! Man, that last fight felt awesome with that triumphant music and power up. For the first time, I felt like the sorcerer god I've been trying for.

Too bad about Staunton succumbing to the no eye'd thot. Guess the lilitussy was too strong.

So I guess that's it for Kenabres. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the world.

And very important question: do I get to bang the queen?

Yes but only if you pick the flirty options, have her stay in your camp under disguise and stay in a non-evil and non-chaotic mythic path. But her romance happens mostly at the end of the game and she can also become a companion. Also you need to be free, as in not be in an active romance, by the last act so be careful here if you want to romance her.

HannibalBarca3 posted...

Yes but only if you pick the flirty options, have her stay in your camp under disguise and stay in a non-evil and non-chaotic mythic path. But her romance happens mostly at the end of the game and she can also become a companion. Also you need to be free, as in not be in an active romance, by the last act so be careful here if you want to romance her.

What about Wolfjif? I can fix him.

The music in the camp is really good.

And that was some story the storyteller told. The equivalent of the meteor that killed dinosaurs in our world basically hit Golarion and caused 1000 years of darkness. Of course it being fantasy, there is no mass extinction that logically should follow lol.

Time to explore and raid everybody's tents.

Ivynn posted...

What about Wolfjif? I can fix him.

You are not allowed to boink your idiot son.

Daeran's leaving. I didn't use him much. Hope it wasn't a missed opportunity. Sad to see him go, he was an interesting jerk and a fellow assmanimar.

The non-romancable companions are Woljif, Ember, a certain heck knight you'll meet later, Seelah, a certain person you may have already met and Nenio. In Nenio's case it's because her writer was very strongly against the idea while Owlcat wanted to do it based on a AMA question a while back.

A couple (like Seelah) are characters from the actual Pathfinder module and Paizo wouldn't clear Owlcat to make them romanceable.

Amiri from the first game had the same thing and I call the police about it every morning.

Ha the way the queen drafted Daeran anyway was hilarious. Guess I'll be seeing more of him after all.

HannibalBarca3 posted...

The non-romancable companions are Woljif, Ember, a certain heck knight you'll meet later, Seelah, a certain person you may have already met and Nenio. In Nenio's case it's because her writer was very strongly against the idea while Owlcat wanted to do it based on a AMA question a while back.

Interesting about Nenio. Why was her writer so against it?

IIRC he didn't think it fit her character.

Ah. Well I do find it hard to see Nenio in a relationship. She's very much into her own world.

Is there any point to romancing characters? Like are there gameplay benefits? Or is it just for flavor?

There's literally a kingdom called Chillax. Well, Cheliax but Imma call it Chillax. This game has some of weirdest fantasy names I've seen in, well, fantasy lol

Yeah, you get some benefits. Lann nets you a ring and the only time I took Wenduag for a demon run she also gets you a perk at the end of her romance. Galfrey's allows you to recruit her at the very end of the game. Ditto for Camellia and Sosiel. Daeran I forgot.

Alright, guess I'll choose somebody then. Who did you all go for?

For a lady, I vote Daeran.

If you were playing a dude, I would also vote Daeran.

DrizztLink posted...

Amiri from the first game had the same thing and I call the police about it every morning.

Well, that's because Amiri is the canon protagonist. Your character is just some fever dream trying to butt in on her glory.

What's going on now? Am I playing chess?

Recruit a general huh. This will take a while to think ab- (sees Aragorn-looking dude) ok that one.

Also I think I'm done letting the AI handle companion levels. What good is Abundant Ki for Lann, honestly.

That was a disaster.

Ah yes, crusader mode. It can be confusing but once you unlock marksmen it becomes a whole lot easier. Recruit Setsuna Shy or that lady mage general ASAP and abuse those high damage spells. Or you can turn crusader mode off but you miss out on some very good loot.

HannibalBarca3 posted...

Ah yes, crusader mode. It can be confusing but once you unlock marksmen it becomes a whole lot easier. Recruit Setsuna Shy or that lady mage general, her name is chief something, ASAP and abuse those high damage spells. Or you can turn crusader mode off but you miss out on some very good loot.

Oh my God, that changed everything thank you

So I came across a group of travelers. This is obviously a trap but the only way to call out the trap is to perform an Evil action. That's a little unfair.

Ivynn posted...

So I came across a group of travelers. This is obviously a trap but the only way to call out the trap is to perform an Evil action. That's a little unfair.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AQunC9jniqw

ellis123 posted...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=AQunC9jniqw

lol I managed to call out the trap a different way tho so all is well.

I finished Seelah's quest. Poor girl, her judgement is crap. Jennah and Curl have made my list!

Also I was told she should have a horse by now, but she doesn't. How do I get her horse?

If you've been auto-leveling her she doesn't take the horse feat

Ah. Yeah, I'm done auto-leveling. I want a horsie.

You can respec with the pathfinder captain in camp.