Current Events > I'm playing Pathfinder: WotR and I have no idea what I'm doing. *spoilers*

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Ivynn posted...

Just learned about Nethys. Perhaps I should be worshipping him instead of Alfalfa. Can I change gods

If you respec at the Pathfinder dude or using toybox yeah.

Going through the rich jerks mansion.

Oh come on! Even random thieves have spell resistance? This mage has had bad luck magin' so far.

Spell Penetration is also a good feat.

DrizztLink posted...

Spell Penetration is also a good feat.

I think I grabbed that. Can't find it on my character sheet tho so maybe I didn't.

Awfully nice that rich guy is letting him loot his mansion. And if he has a problem with it, consider it payment for services rendered.

Didn't know rich guy had BDSM dungeon.

Jesus. In a room with a monster I never seen before, Babau, and it's actually the first tough fight for me. Is this a boss? I'd feel silly if it was just a mook.

And stop missing Ember!

Ivynn posted...

And stop missing Ember!

SHE HAS LIKE SIX FINGERS TOTAL GOD DAMN IT

Ivynn posted...

Didn't know rich guy had BDSM dungeon.

Hmm...

pretzelcoatl posted...

Hmm...

Finished the quest and never got an answer for that. Do I ever?

Ivynn posted...

Finished the quest and never got an answer for that. Do I ever?

Yes. Trying to figure out exactly which rich guy you're talking about, but you do get an explanation (or you can infer)

pretzelcoatl posted...

Yes. Trying to figure out exactly which rich guy you're talking about, but you do get an explanation (or you can infer)

The guy who turned out to be Camilla's father.

I see Hurlun is taking things well. He's so unhinged I almost considered putting him out of his misery. Next playthrough I'm definitely doing all Chaotic choices lol

Ivynn posted...

The guy who turned out to be Camilla's father.

I see Hurlun is taking things well. He's so unhinged I almost considered putting him out of his misery. Next playthrough I'm definitely doing all Chaotic choices lol

Ah yes. You definitely find out why that exists.

Pay attention to the Desna worshippers, you want some of what they got.

I adopted a kitty!

Hurlun is behaving like a lunatic so I guess I'll help the Desnans.

Ivynn posted...

The guy who turned out to be Camilla's father.

I see Hurlun is taking things well. He's so unhinged I almost considered putting him out of his misery. Next playthrough I'm definitely doing all Chaotic choices lol

It sounds less like you want to do Chaotic and more about Azata. Chaotic just means that you are the opposite of lawful: you do things that upend society/go against societal norms. Azata, on the flip side, is all about getting jiggy with the fey, and that leads to rather bizarre scenarios. And the best companion, but that's nothing to do with what you're talking about.

I just told a halfling off for looting a corpse

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to loot this corpse.

I actually am a PF 1e player/GM so I know all about the system that the game is run on. I've been temped by WotR, but when I realize that I'd have to go without my beloved 3rd party stuff like Path of War and the entire Spheres system and that deflates my willingness to play that game very quickly. Oh, and I love homebrewing stuff too much to give that up either.

Ivynn posted...

I just told a halfling off for looting a corpse

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to loot this corpse.

Yeah, that's one of the downsides of the system using Wealth by Level and magic items as part of the expected thing to build your stats. You have to buy stuff like Rings of Protection +X to keep up with the expected math of the TTRPG game.

How should I be building my party members? As of now, I've been letting automatic level-ups do that work, which is probably not optimal lol. Right now I have Seelah, Lann, Woljif, Camellia, Ember, and Nenio.

Also if anyone can tell me when I start not missing 75% of my attacks, that would be great.

Ivynn posted...

How should I be building my party members? As of now, I've been letting automatic level-ups do that work, which is probably not optimal lol. Right now I have Seelah, Lann, Woljif, Camellia, Ember, and Nenio.

Generally Auto is good enough unless you plan on min-maxing. Even then it's not like there is an easy "this is the way to go" when it comes to companions. For instance, Woljif makes an excellent Arcane Trickster (Mage Armor is huge in making him not just pop later on, so the dip in that direction is not wasted) but it's not like that's the only way that you can go about things. For instance, you can just lean into his damage potential and never have him leave Rogue or move him over to vivisectionist for alchemy. Heck, I've seen some people go the route of giving him a pet/horse for the sake of bringing "bulk" to the party. Really it's a case that as long as you aren't overtly trying to screw over your party you are generally going to be fine on that front.

Ivynn posted...

Also if anyone can tell me when I start not missing 75% of my attacks, that would be great.

That's just the game telling you to get gud.

Stupid nobles and courtesans with a death wish. I hope I'm not missing out on reward cuz they're getting themselves merked.

The most optimal party makes heavy use of pets since pets are broken in this game. Missing is part of the expertime. of the early game, as you get better gear and improve your stats and get better buffs, buffing is extremely important in this game, you'll be conquering demons in no time.

Anyways I mentioned crpgbro who had pretty solid and easy to understand builds for both companions and the player character:
https://youtube.com/@cRPGBro

On the lower difficulties I still level my dudes up myself but you don't relly have to super min/max. Oh higher difficulties you absolutely have to min/max. To the point of having levels in up to 3 or 4 classes to maximize ac an damage output. The only people I really change their class are Lann, Nenio, and Woljif.

By level 7 Lann has gotten the best parts of zen archer and should moved into fighter, base or mutagen. Mostly he needs the fighter feats to buff his attacks and damage.

Nenio should become a Loremaster, because she gains more skill points and loses nothing of value out of it.

As noted above Woljif benefits from arcane trickster.

Ivynn posted...

How should I be building my party members? As of now, I've been letting automatic level-ups do that work, which is probably not optimal lol. Right now I have Seelah, Lann, Woljif, Camellia, Ember, and Nenio.

Camellia makes an excellent tank/off tank/debuffer, it might not be apparent at first glance. As a squishy you might want multiple characters that can take the heat.

Ivynn posted...

Stupid nobles and courtesans with a death wish. I hope I'm not missing out on reward cuz they're getting themselves merked.

Nah, they do their own thing haha.

HannibalBarca3 posted...

The most optimal party makes heavy use of pets since pets are broken in this game. Missing is part of the expertime. of the early game, as you get better gear and improve your stats and get better buffs, buffing is extremely important in this game, you'll be conquering demons in no time.

Anyways I mentioned crpgbro who had pretty solid and easy to understand builds for both companions and the player character:
https://youtube.com/@cRPGBro

Focusing on buffs is gonna be a change of pace for me because I almost always prioritize damage dealing and leave the buffing to my companions. But as you all told me, this isn't that kind of game so I will start focusing on buff abilities. Besides, the demons so far are resistant to fire spells and fire magic is my fav. Can't enjoy that then might as well be a buffer. :p

Thanks for the youtube suggestion, I'll check him out. Hopefully he isn't spoiler-heavy.

ScazarMeltex posted...

As noted above Woljif benefits from arcane trickster.

I've already decided Wolly will be a permanent party member lol so speccing him is gonna be important.

pretzelcoatl posted...

Camellia makes an excellent tank/off tank/debuffer, it might not be apparent at first glance. As a squishy you might want multiple characters that can take the heat.

Seelah's been my main tank so far. She's...not doing a good job. Camellia isn't very strong right now.

Ivynn posted...

Focusing on buffs is gonna be a change of pace for me because I almost always prioritize damage dealing and leave the buffing to my companions.

That's part of the Pathfinder games though: stacking 5 buffs before any major fight. You have to learn which buffs can successfully stack by offering different bonus types.

It's quite the departure from the comparatively simplified D&D 5th edition ruleset, where any given character can only maintain a single buff and the accuracy bounding range is heavily compressed. E.g. in Pathfinder it isn't unusual for front-line characters to have 40+ AC, so you need buffs that let you roll in the 40's and 50's. But that also means back-line characters get torn to shreds in moments when they face enemies that can contend with front-line characters.

You might want this.

https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderwrathoftherighteous/mods/195

It doesn't actually change anything, just makes it so you can set up to three different sets of buffs to be done with a button press.

It comes in handy later, when the game turns into this:

https://youtu.be/9Nqjz5R8LrU

That siege of the tavern was brutal. And since I'm doing turn-based, if felt like it took two hours, maybe. By the end, four of my guys were dead, the entire garrison was wiped out and half the tavern was destroyed. I won, but at what cost?

I didn't like the result so I'm doing the battle over again.

DrizztLink posted...

You might want this.

https://www.nexusmods.com/pathfinderwrathoftherighteous/mods/195

It doesn't actually change anything, just makes it so you can set up to three different sets of buffs to be done with a button press.

It comes in handy later, when the game turns into this:

https://youtu.be/9Nqjz5R8LrU

Ha ha that's an exaggeration, right?

....right?

I finished the quest Stay of Execution Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Grease

Ivynn posted...

Ha ha that's an exaggeration, right?

....right?

Welcome to Pathfinder.

And I would have recommended that one alongside ToyBox, but unlike with ToyBox you pretty much overtly go into that one with the intention of radically altering the game. ToyBox you at least can have the guise of "I'm just here for the bug-fixing and whatnot" and if there is some random thing that you actively hate about the game (such as friendly fire AoE's) you can set the switch to deal with that.

Ivynn posted...

I finished the quest Stay of Execution Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Grease

\o/

Grease definitely got the best "boost" from being in a video game. While there really weren't any changes versus tabletop (minus one bug that will not matter for you until way later... at which point it still might not matter as you kind of have to seek it out) it goes from "kind of good" to "OP nonsense." It somewhat falls off eventually, but by god is it good early on and early on is arguably the hardest part of the game due to you lacking all of the synergies that happen as you get more levels/gear under your belt.

Ivynn posted...

That siege of the tavern was brutal. And since I'm doing turn-based, if felt like it took two hours, maybe. By the end, four of my guys were dead, the entire garrison was wiped out and half the tavern was destroyed. I won, but at what cost?

I didn't like the result so I'm doing the battle over again.

Ha ha that's an exaggeration, right?

....right?

Nope, I'm not exaggerating when I say you'll spend a decent amount of time on just buffing alone. I used that mod in my recent Shifter run, I stopped playing WotR back in March to play Octopath Traveler 2, and it was a time saver. If you don't want to use it taking the Enduring spells mythic line asap is a great quality of life improvement since it extends your buffs to last (real) 24 hours aside from buffs that use turns instead of real time for duration, but you can also make those last 24 hours by using items that increase your caster level and taking either the angel or lich mythic path if you're a caster that can merge spellbook and using extend metamagic. This meme captures just how many buff you'll be casting lmao
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/4/2/AALLlEAAEpQG.jpg

HannibalBarca3 posted...

Nope, I'm not exaggerating when I say you'll spend a decent amount of time on just buffing alone. I used that mod in my recent Shifter run, I stopped playing WotR back in March to play Octopath Traveler 2, and it was a time saver. If you don't want to use it taking the Enduring spells mythic line asap is a great quality of life improvement since it extends your buffs to last (real) 24 hours aside from buffs that use turns instead of real time for duration, but you can also make those last 24 hours by using items that increase your caster level and taking either the angel or lich mythic path if you're a caster that can merge spellbook and using extend metamagic. This meme captures just how many buff you'll be casting lmao
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/5/4/2/AALLlEAAEpQG.jpg

Lol, I honestly only ever found I needed to super buff for large or boss fights. At least till Chapter 4, that's when it became easier to just walk around buffed. Enduring spells mythic is absolutely helpful for that.

Or just being an Angel.

Mechanics spoiler, not plot TC.

Ivynn posted...

That siege of the tavern was brutal. And since I'm doing turn-based, if felt like it took two hours, maybe. By the end, four of my guys were dead, the entire garrison was wiped out and half the tavern was destroyed. I won, but at what cost?

If you worship Cayden Cailean (god of booze) he gives you a unique buff for that fight and only that fight because you're saving the beer.

Yeah, it isn't an exaggeration to say that you'll spend more time buffing than you will in the actual fights if you're "doing it right". Some people dig that kind of stuff. But for me it grates after a while, similar to games with weapon durability. But the difficulty settings are highly customizable so you can select something that allows for a level of buffing that you find comfortable.

Ivynn posted...

Ha ha that's an exaggeration, right?

....right?

No.

Overlord is seen as overrated by many, but it's obviously referencing D&D systems a lot, and when it does, it does it right.

DuneMan posted...

Yeah, it isn't an exaggeration to say that you'll spend more time buffing than you will in the actual fights if you're "doing it right". Some people dig that kind of stuff. But for me it grates after a while, similar to games with weapon durability. But the difficulty settings are highly customizable so you can select something that allows for a level of buffing that you find comfortable.

Honestly, I actually like to manage buffs all on their own.

Some buffs are just too efficient for their level, so they are on for every bullshit fight, some buffs are too high ranked to be wasted on some trashmobs, and some other buffs may be in between.

But I understand that managing the spell- and abilityressources of a party of 6 may be a bit unfun for most people, especially if you just want to say "just as usual" with less than 10 clicks.

Huh. So apparently I screwed up by doing Stay of Execution first because now I can't recruit the Knights of the Flaming Lance because they're dead.

Worth going back to an earlier save?

Ivynn posted...

Huh. So apparently I screwed up by doing Stay of Execution first because now I can't recruit the Knights of the Flaming Lance because they're dead.

Worth going back to an earlier save?

Did you find the Storyteller?

You'd have to go back to before the tavern siege.

HairyQueen posted...

Did you find the Storyteller?

Yeah, when I was in the middle of another quest so I didn't follow up.

DrizztLink posted...

You'd have to go back to before the tavern siege.

Meh, I don't wanna do that. I'll take the L.

Ivynn posted...

Yeah, when I was in the middle of another quest so I didn't follow up.

IIRC the Storyteller's found in the same room as the Flaming Lance dudes, no?

HairyQueen posted...

IIRC the Storyteller's found in the same room as the Flaming Lance dudes, no?

I met him in the market square and he walked away. Was that not the Storyteller? It was an invisible guy (not related to the temple dudes).

Ivynn posted...

I met him in the market square and he walked away. Was that not the Storyteller? It was an invisible guy (not related to the temple dudes).

The storyteller is found in the library

HairyQueen posted...

The storyteller is found in the library

Oh. In that case I never met him.

But then who the fuck did I meet?!

Ivynn posted...

But then who the fuck did I meet?!

You'll find out later.

And you should always follow up when given the ability to. Leaving maps is a good way to lose out on things happening. While there aren't a terribly large amount of things that punish you for leaving the map before doing everything there *are* some that do.

DrizztLink posted...

If you worship Cayden Cailean (god of booze) he gives you a unique buff for that fight and only that fight because you're saving the beer.

This post was a surprising laugh for the day.

Ivynn posted...

And stop missing Ember!

(^o^)'

As a shifter do you just use your claws instead of a weapon?

Crimsoness posted...

As a shifter do you just use your claws instead of a weapon?

You have two forms, your kinda "combat" one that grows claws and whatnot, then the one that does a full on other form (your Shifter companion does a Griffin).

You get a lot of boosts for attacking with natural weapons so I imagine most builds use them.

I've seen a bunch of people who make Wendu a Manticore Shifter.

What did I miss for not getting to the library in time other than the knights. I feel kinda bad but I'm not doing the siege again.